Shawy89 said:

What political correctness? So, means every black actor now from Denzel Washington to Morgan Freeman are winning oscars because black never won before Sidney Poitier?

Tbh I heard this somewhere else and I couldn't believe what people think of, what's next I mean, Illuminati people are planning to destroy african-american race?

u want political correctness......try this one........

u are a group who wins a Grammy for the son IT'S HARD TO BE A PIMP where even the group who won it acknowledged privately they shoudn't have won it

political correctness ain't that u win, it's what u win for

Denzel Washington portrayed many roles prior to Training Day that should have earned him a Grammy........he knew he wasn't going to win best actor for Malcolm X...he knew that right out the bat and he was all time robbed when he didn't win best actor for The Hurricane.......he had to play a villian to get his Oscar rather than the many biopic roles he did

Halle Berry won best actress for Monster's Ball and she's done roles prior to that which was way more deserving

Gunsnhalen said:

Y'all killing me poltiical correctness? jeebus y'all are delusional. What if the album was just fucking? did the 3 albums Stevie won for not deserve it? did all the awards Quincy get, were they not deserved? was Lauryn Hill not deserved? Whitney Houston? Michael Jackson? Outkast? poltical correctness my fucking ass. The grammys have been around since 1959. African American artists have been nominated for album of the year since that year. Stevie dominated the entire 70's year with his grammys wins! Or Michael Jackson or janet... since y'all like to talk about their awards so much

u want political correctness......here's one for ya.....

in 1986, The Color Purple was nominated for not 1, not 2, not 3, but ELEVEN Academy Award nominations...u know how many of those nominations the movie won?....ZERO......0 out of 11, you talk about being totally railroaded.....nothing tops that.......so you go 17 years before Denzel Washington and Halle Berry win Oscars for best actor and best actress, for roles that were not close to being their best work....so even in the process of winning because the Oscar board had enough of the protesting, they still disrespect your craft by bestowing awards for roles that u would never take on but knew u had to take on in order to get that award

fast forward 4 years later where u have a group who wins a Grammy for IT'S NOT HARD TO BE A PIMP but rewind back some 25-30 years prior and Marvin Gaye had to wait over 2 decades before he finally won a Grammy after creating a discography for the ages while being recognized as the best r&b artist on the planet throughout the late 60s and throughout the decade of the 70s

a group wins a grammy for talking about pimpin but Marvin never received a Grammy for What's Going On, arguably the greatest socially conscious record in recording history ......

then to add salt to the wound.....Robin Thicke receives a Grammy nomination for a song where he hijacked Marvin's music to make it......

tell me what's wrong w/that picture

[Edited 2/11/14 15:47pm]

Scorp said:

Gunsnhalen said:

Y'all killing me poltiical correctness? jeebus y'all are delusional. What if the album was just fucking? did the 3 albums Stevie won for not deserve it? did all the awards Quincy get, were they not deserved? was Lauryn Hill not deserved? Whitney Houston? Michael Jackson? Outkast? poltical correctness my fucking ass. The grammys have been around since 1959. African American artists have been nominated for album of the year since that year. Stevie dominated the entire 70's year with his grammys wins! Or Michael Jackson or janet... since y'all like to talk about their awards so much

u want political correctness......here's one for ya.....

in 1986, The Color Purple was nominated for not 1, not 2, not 3, but ELEVEN Academy Award nominations...u know how many of those nominations the movie won?....ZERO......0 out of 11, you talk about being totally railroaded.....nothing tops that.......so you go 17 years before Denzel Washington and Halle Berry win Oscars for best actor and best actress, for roles that were not close to being their best work....so even in the process of winning because the Oscar board had enough of the protesting, they still disrespect your craft by bestowing awards for roles that u would never take on but knew u had to take on in order to get that award

fast forward 4 years later where u have a group who wins a Grammy for IT'S NOT HARD TO BE A PIMP but rewind back some 25-30 years prior and Marvin Gaye had to wait over 2 decades before he finally won a Grammy after creating a discography for the ages while being recognized as the best r&b artist on the planet throughout the late 60s and throughout the decade of the 70s

a group wins a grammy for talking about pimpin but Marvin never received a Grammy for What's Going On, arguably the greatest socially conscious record in recording history ......

then to add salt to the wound.....Robin Thicke receives a Grammy nomination for a song where he hijacked Marvin's music to make it......

tell me what's wrong w/that picture

[Edited 2/11/14 15:47pm]

That was the oscars for one. You're not conving me of this one again. Marvin was just snubbed... so was Springsteen for years, so was Prince. Oh yeah.. Nirvana never got any grammys either. What's in this picture? artists of all different colors. Who didn't get their just rewards. You act like only black people have been robbed at the grammy awards.

Bob Dylan won for time out Of My Mind in 1997.... when his classic work was decades before. Martin Scorsese didn't win a fucking best director award till the 00's. What was the deal with Martin? he made some of the most classic movies of his era. And no award... and got it in the 00's.

Some people just don't get their just rewards. Your not convincg me on the race issue. Cause i just gave examples of other artists who had the same thing happen to them.

Here's another example

MC Hammer wins a Grammy for U CAN'T TOUCH THIS, sampling Rick James "Super Freak"

Hammer wins a Grammy for the sample, but Rick James never wins one for the actual record

Street Songs was one of the greatest albums of all time, reaching the top of the r&b charts and towards the top of the Pop charts and still wins nothing for it, but a guy who samples his work wins a stack full of Grammys.....that's not cool

allot of white artits have been hijacked too

I think based on the historical context of the past, race used to play a major factor

but due to the pop ascensionion, everything has been homogenized where it's very difficult to be authentic, so whoever fits the bill for what the current pop landscape and music industry demands, that's the person who is going to win these awards in the future no matter what his/her ethnicity

culture is no longer shaping the music, the manufactured music is now shaping the culture

and then when all else fails, reach for the lowest common denominator to sell the record, and that's being sexually provocative for as the saying goes: SEX SELLS

Scorp said:

Here's another example

MC Hammer wins a Grammy for U CAN'T TOUCH THIS, sampling Rick James "Super Freak"

Hammer wins a Grammy for the sample, but Rick James never wins one for the actual record

Street Songs was one of the greatest albums of all time, reaching the top of the r&b charts and towards the top of the Pop charts and still wins nothing for it, but a guy who samples his work wins a stack full of Grammys.....that's not cool

allot of white artits have been hijacked too

I think based on the historical context of the past, race used to play a major factor

but due to the pop ascensionion, everything has been homogenized where it's very difficult to be authentic, so whoever fits the bill for what the current pop landscape and music industry demands, that's the person who is going to win these awards in the future no matter what his/her ethnicity

culture is no longer shaping the music, the manufactured music is now shaping the culture

and then when all else fails, reach for the lowest common denominator to sell the record, and that's being sexually provocative for as the saying goes: SEX SELLS

You just talked about a black artists hijacking a black artists. Then saying white artists get jacked too... IT CAN HAPPEN TO ANYONE. That's why i don't see it as a race thing. Timmy just said Dinah Washington won best r&b performance at the first ever grammys. They did indeed give an African American an award and this was 1959.

The Sex Sells thing is very true. These things don't tie into awards shows being racists for me. Simply put artists of all colors have been robbed of grammy and academy awards. I don't see it as a race thing at all.

Just like Will Smith winning a grammy for Parents Don't Understand. And Public Enemy didn't win... soemthing like that is robbery too.

Gunsnhalen said:

Scorp said:

Here's another example

MC Hammer wins a Grammy for U CAN'T TOUCH THIS, sampling Rick James "Super Freak"

Hammer wins a Grammy for the sample, but Rick James never wins one for the actual record

Street Songs was one of the greatest albums of all time, reaching the top of the r&b charts and towards the top of the Pop charts and still wins nothing for it, but a guy who samples his work wins a stack full of Grammys.....that's not cool

allot of white artits have been hijacked too

I think based on the historical context of the past, race used to play a major factor

but due to the pop ascensionion, everything has been homogenized where it's very difficult to be authentic, so whoever fits the bill for what the current pop landscape and music industry demands, that's the person who is going to win these awards in the future no matter what his/her ethnicity

culture is no longer shaping the music, the manufactured music is now shaping the culture

and then when all else fails, reach for the lowest common denominator to sell the record, and that's being sexually provocative for as the saying goes: SEX SELLS

You just talked about a black artists hijacking a black artists. Then saying white artists get jacked too... IT CAN HAPPEN TO ANYONE. That's why i don't see it as a race thing. Timmy just said Dinah Washington won best r&b performance at the first ever grammys. They did indeed give an African American an award and this was 1959.

The Sex Sells thing is very true. These things don't tie into awards shows being racists for me. Simply put artists of all colors have been robbed of grammy and academy awards. I don't see it as a race thing at all.

Just like Will Smith winning a grammy for Parents Don't Understand. And Public Enemy didn't win... soemthing like that is robbery too.

what I'm saying is in relation to the many black artists of the 70s when cultural authenticity reached its apex in this country

those black artists who projected black authencity in fullness during that decade....they did not win, and many of them were phased out of the industry altogether for long durations of time. The exception was Stevie Wonder

things are so homogenized now in the current musical landscape, it's not about race as much as it is about authenticity...authenticity on all fronts have been tapped out, so now it's about who will project the image the recording industry wants to see fulfilled, that's the person who's going to win

I said it on another Grammy thread - Chuck D was right 25 years ago. Who GIVES A FUCK about a god damn Grammy?

I saw one article in Salon that claimed to expose the "myth" that there is a meritocracy in the Grammys... my response was, who started that myth? I've known there was no meritocracy in the Grammys since I was six years old! Damn!

I remember I think, last year, when I saw Pitbull up on stage presenting! Since then I've always taken the Grammys as more to be laughed at than anything else. I still watched most of this years, simply because it was better than turning the TV OFF, but when they called me to dinner in the middle of it, I went!

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I guess you could call that Color Purple snub railroading but I dislike the film so much that I wouldn't give it an award either. The acting is great. The directing heartfelt if manipulative. But it's such a hateful movie (if ultimately uplifting) and an unnecessarily negative portrayal (you have to ask yourself why?) that it's a project that I can't get behind. I call it a feel-good movie for white people.

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As for the topic at hand, didn't India sweep the awards the year she was nominated?

Gunsnhalen said:

I see people are still going hard on The Grammy Awards. Because of Kendrick not winning any of the nigths awards and some others. People were going crazy calling grammy awards racists and yada yada.

So what do you call Lauryn Hill sweeping the grammys in 1999? she was the biggest winner of the night. And even took home album of the year! and she was African American... and a woman. The grammy awards have been called sexist and racists. If they were both why let her win all those?

What do you call the years Stevie Wonder dominated in the 70's? he was killin it! and everyone knows the Grammy train was full on when Stevie was in town. Hell, most people didn't wanna be nominated by him. Cause they knew they would lose

Quincy Jones? Lionel Richie? Natalie Cole? Whitney Houston? Outkast? Ray Charles? Herbie Hancock? all Album Of The Year winners.

And then there is the ''hate for hip-hop'' thing going on.

So Kanye being nominated for 12 awards for College Dropout was nothing? The Fugees The Score being nominated was nothing? Outkast winning numerous awards including album of the year for Speakerboxx/Love below was nothing?

Nelly, Eminem, Outkast, Lauryn Hill, Kanye West, Lil Wayne, Missy Elliot, even MC fucking Hammer all nominated for album of the year.

So, where is this ''hate for hip-hop'' coming from? because a hip-hop album hasn't one album of the year for awhile?

If they hated hip-hop why even nominate hip-hop albums every year? which they do.

There has been a lot of hip-hop artists who were given grammy awards. A few even won album of the year. Just because Kendrick was robbed this year doesn't mean they hate hip-hop. And the racists thing i'm not sure about either.

Stevie Wonder has 22grammys then anyone. And he's on the damn show nearly every year Quincy Jones has 27, Jay-z has 19, Ray Charles has 20, Kanye West has 20, Beyonce has 17. And there all ranked in the tops with the most grammy awards. Does that mean nothing?


I want some valid opinions on this.

I agree

A wise man once said:

"Who gives a fuck about a goddamned Grammy"

Another little gem:

I don't wanna be a poet

Cause I don't want to blow it

I don't care to win awards

All I want to do is dance

Play music, sex romance

And try my best to never get bored...

Donna Summer won a grammy for best female rock vocal performance. Enoguh said right there

The Carpenters beat out Elton John for Best New Artist, in Elton's "untouchable" run in the mid to late 70's he went pretty much ignored, almost all of his work in the 70's was forgotten and he was the biggest star on earth then, but most of the time lost to billy joel stevie wonder and paul simon.

Elton has 5 grammys, twice as few as Rihanna. And here is what he has won for

1987- Best Pop Performance DUO (thats what friends are for, with Dionne and Stevie and Gladys)

1991- Best INSTRUMENTAL compostion for "Basque" performed by James Galway

1994- Best Pop Male Performance "CAN you feel the love tonight"

1997- Best Pop Male Vocal Performance "Candle in the Wind" (diana version)

2001-Best Musical Show Album -(AIDA)

SO spare me the bitching, look at the shit he won for, and he is barely nominated either. There is nothing on that list that is HIM he's doing a song for charity TWICE one instrumental, one showtune, and singing to Disney characters.

lastdecember said:

The Carpenters beat out Elton John for Best New Artist, in Elton's "untouchable" run in the mid to late 70's he went pretty much ignored, almost all of his work in the 70's was forgotten and he was the biggest star on earth then, but most of the time lost to billy joel stevie wonder and paul simon.

Elton has 5 grammys, twice as few as Rihanna. And here is what he has won for

1987- Best Pop Performance DUO (thats what friends are for, with Dionne and Stevie and Gladys)

1991- Best INSTRUMENTAL compostion for "Basque" performed by James Galway

1994- Best Pop Male Performance "CAN you feel the love tonight"

1997- Best Pop Male Vocal Performance "Candle in the Wind" (diana version)

2001-Best Musical Show Album -(AIDA)

SO spare me the bitching, look at the shit he won for, and he is barely nominated either. There is nothing on that list that is HIM he's doing a song for charity TWICE one instrumental, one showtune, and singing to Disney characters.

I'm going to venture dangerously close to BS territory and make a case for "Can You Feel The Love Tonight". Even though I COMPLETELY forgot about it, there was a time we all LOVED that song! And it is quite charming.

CynicKill said:

lastdecember said:

The Carpenters beat out Elton John for Best New Artist, in Elton's "untouchable" run in the mid to late 70's he went pretty much ignored, almost all of his work in the 70's was forgotten and he was the biggest star on earth then, but most of the time lost to billy joel stevie wonder and paul simon.

Elton has 5 grammys, twice as few as Rihanna. And here is what he has won for

1987- Best Pop Performance DUO (thats what friends are for, with Dionne and Stevie and Gladys)

1991- Best INSTRUMENTAL compostion for "Basque" performed by James Galway

1994- Best Pop Male Performance "CAN you feel the love tonight"

1997- Best Pop Male Vocal Performance "Candle in the Wind" (diana version)

2001-Best Musical Show Album -(AIDA)

SO spare me the bitching, look at the shit he won for, and he is barely nominated either. There is nothing on that list that is HIM he's doing a song for charity TWICE one instrumental, one showtune, and singing to Disney characters.

I'm going to venture dangerously close to BS territory and make a case for "Can You Feel The Love Tonight". Even though I COMPLETELY forgot about it, there was a time we all LOVED that song! And it is quite charming.

Not saying it wasnt a good song it fit for that Movie and it deserved the Oscar by far and got it, but his Grammy Wins show that the "committee" has always had their heads up their asses, he has almost never been nominated either.

Case in Point: Prince was left out of Song and Record of the Year catagories in 1985, when "When Doves Cry" AND "Purple Rain" were eligible!!!

fuck you op!

Doesn't matter that black people won a lot of grammys. They still hate us! we deserve to win them all. As i said most things are stolen from white artists anyways. When will they ever let a black person do the Super Bowl again? or get on Rolling Stone? see what they did to Drake! if Morgan Freeman died... and they interviewed Eminem that week. Em would get the cover.

It is a white publication though. What do we expect? Kinda like The Grammys. The difference is many blacks have won them. But it's at their discretion.

Guns post what you post on here on lipstickalley and watch them tear you apart For many years black artists were very dominated but not so much now. At the end of the day it's obivious Kendrick had the better album.. but what can you do?

Prince had the better album than Lionel Ritchie. Both black. One won.

And Tina Turner swept the awards.

I don't think it is so much a matter of race as it is the artist being controversial.

[Edited 2/15/14 2:38am]

stolenlove said:

fuck you op!

Doesn't matter that black people won a lot of grammys. They still hate us! we deserve to win them all. As i said most things are stolen from white artists anyways. When will they ever let a black person do the Super Bowl again? or get on Rolling Stone? see what they did to Drake! if Morgan Freeman died... and they interviewed Eminem that week. Em would get the cover.

RACISM IS OVER SINCE AGES.

[Edited 2/15/14 5:07am]

Gunsnhalen said:

stolenlove said:

The Grammys are prejudice towards certain artists/genres, biased and political but definitly not racist. Most of the artists who have the most grammy's are African American.

I think the Grammy's have their token African American artists that are their favorites and "go to" for nominations. You can bet that those African American artists will always get a nomination regardless of the quality of their music and regardless of their eligibility. I think that is why they do not nominate and award other African American artists which can make them appear racist although they technically are not.

Over the last 15 years, the Grammys have pretty much based their winners off of popularity and sells and if they are going to go off of popularity and sells then Kendrick definitly should have at least won Best New Artist because his songs were more popular and sold more than Macklemore. I am not saying popularity reflects quality but if they have previously based Grammy's wins off of popularity why make exceptions sometimes and not ALL the time? The Grammys did the same thing last year to Miguel. I don't like Migual but Miguel's Adorn song was the number one song in the country and they snubbed him and gave it to Usher. They snubbed Robin this year too. His album should have gotten a nod and he had the biggest selling single. I don't even think he won his grammy. Based off of these incidents, I think it is fair to say that the Grammy's are more so about politics than anything else because even if you have the biggest selling single or album it does not necessarily mean you are going to get a Grammy.

You mean to tell me they will give an unknown rapper 3 grammys but won't even give Janelle Monae a nomination?

The Grammy's are meaningless. I think the fact that those artists have that many Grammy's shows just how much of a joke the Grammy's really are.

the grammy are not racist, the grammys is just not a savvy organazation.

BlaqueKnight said:

A wise man once said:

"Who gives a fuck about a goddamned Grammy"

Another little gem:

I don't wanna be a poet

Cause I don't want to blow it

I don't care to win awards

All I want to do is dance

Play music, sex romance

And try my best to never get bored...

BETTER QUESTION: Who gives a f*** about music award shows in general?!?

MTV VMA and now the Grammy Awards are nothing but freaking Illuminati Block Parties. F*** them!

lastdecember said:

The Carpenters beat out Elton John for Best New Artist, in Elton's "untouchable" run in the mid to late 70's he went pretty much ignored, almost all of his work in the 70's was forgotten and he was the biggest star on earth then, but most of the time lost to billy joel stevie wonder and paul simon.

Elton has 5 grammys, twice as few as Rihanna. And here is what he has won for

1987- Best Pop Performance DUO (thats what friends are for, with Dionne and Stevie and Gladys)

1991- Best INSTRUMENTAL compostion for "Basque" performed by James Galway

1994- Best Pop Male Performance "CAN you feel the love tonight"

1997- Best Pop Male Vocal Performance "Candle in the Wind" (diana version)

2001-Best Musical Show Album -(AIDA)

SO spare me the bitching, look at the shit he won for, and he is barely nominated either. There is nothing on that list that is HIM he's doing a song for charity TWICE one instrumental, one showtune, and singing to Disney characters.

REMEMBER: U2's The Joshua Tree won a Grammy for album of the year instead of Michael's Bad or Prince's Sign 'O' The Times.

Now I can finally spare you anymore further bitching!

[Edited 2/16/14 4:04am]