TonyVanDam said:

I have TWO WORDS for Robln Thicke: Michael Boltan

Remember when the Isley Brothers sued Michael because his song, Love Is A Wonderful Thing, sounded like a Isley Brothers' classic song with damn nearly THE same title?!? Well if Robin Thicke doesn't do the right thing by giving The Marvin Gaye Estate their royalies AND given Marvin co-songwriting credit for Blurred Lines, this will not end well for him career wise.

Oh yeah...That battle is LEGENDARY...LOL...I bet Michael and The Isley brothers ignore each other at functions...

Chancellor said:

TonyVanDam said:

I have TWO WORDS for Robln Thicke: Michael Boltan

Remember when the Isley Brothers sued Michael because his song, Love Is A Wonderful Thing, sounded like a Isley Brothers' classic song with damn nearly THE same title?!? Well if Robin Thicke doesn't do the right thing by giving The Marvin Gaye Estate their royalies AND given Marvin co-songwriting credit for Blurred Lines, this will not end well for him career wise.

Oh yeah...That battle is LEGENDARY...LOL...I bet Michael and The Isley brothers ignore each other at functions...

You notice that Michael's career has been reduced to singing on automobile commericals, right?!? That goes to show you how badly he lost in that legendary court case with The Isleys.

The funny thing is Marvin probably didn't come up with that rhythmic pattern himself.

novabrkr said:

The funny thing is Marvin probably didn't come up with that rhythmic pattern himself.

True dat. Who played drums and percussion on GTGIU? Specially that cowbell dude! Must be dead too, otherwise I'm sure he woulda spoke up about this matter by now!

nd33 said:

Jeez not this again! You can't copyright a drum/cowbell pattern. The end. Signed, Marvin fan.

Excuse you, but drum patterns can be composed. They mention this fact in Music 101.

TonyVanDam said:

nd33 said:

Jeez not this again! You can't copyright a drum/cowbell pattern. The end. Signed, Marvin fan.

Excuse you, but drum patterns can be composed. They mention this fact in Music 101.

I was about to go shake my music teacher to death and scream...

WHY

WHY

WHY

didn't you tell me!

To the point that phunkdaddy made about Isley vs Michael Bolton case... Sony remembers that case too that's why they cut a check. Carry on.

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TonyVanDam said:

nd33 said:

Jeez not this again! You can't copyright a drum/cowbell pattern. The end. Signed, Marvin fan.

Excuse you, but drum patterns can be composed. They mention this fact in Music 101.

Of course drums patterns can be composed! And they are! But in pop music they are irrelevent in terms of the law and song writing copyright.

PS, I'll bet that cowbell pattern was "written" 100's of times before GTGIU.

I'm fucking sick of this abortion of a song. Got To Give It Up at least has some exposure now to younger people i guess? that's the only positive is ee from it.

But, my gosh people won't let this song go. It' still in the top 40... and it's been almost a year. I mean are people not sick of this shit turd yet

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The song is a big hit, because it's sort of dumb and people are amused by it, not because it has a resemblance to a Marvin Gaye track. I really doubt that a cover version of "Got To Give It Up" would have become a hit, so the accusations of him "ripping off" Marvin are rather weird to me.

I agree that the song is intended as a "homage" or as a "nod" to Marvin, but apparently when such a piece starts generating money there's something wrong about it. I admit that on an intuitive level I feel a bit awkward about it too, but if making references to other people's songs is made illegal pop music loses a lot. Isn't that something music fans often get their kicks off anyway?

What if the members of The Beatles would have sued Oasis for "interpolating" or "appropriating" their style for the 1990s?

Well, maybe some of you just can't hear what many others are hearing.

Either way, apparently, "the courts" are acknoweledging otherwise.

Madonna basically said Pharrell is a lazy poroducer in an interview once. Its really starting to show.

As far as I can tell, "the courts" have not been involved to any real degree yet. The article is about SONY making sure it won't end up in crossfire between the two camps.

novabrkr said:

As far as I can tell, "the courts" have not been involved to any real degree yet. The article is about SONY making sure it won't end up in crossfire between the two camps.

Well, its not like Sony is a kind and generous company that just wants to give away money for no reason. There is a reason they are doing what they are doing.

nd33 said:

TonyVanDam said:

Excuse you, but drum patterns can be composed. They mention this fact in Music 101.

Of course drums patterns can be composed! And they are! But in pop music they are irrelevent in terms of the law and song writing copyright.

Soooo have you heard the melodies of any pop songs lately? Particularly of this piece of garbage? It's literally nearly the same brain-numbingly stupid melodic line over and over again. Without the percussive aspect that was lifted from GTGIU, Blurred Lines would be NOTHING. Copyright law simply isn't settled on the matter of percussion -- I'm not aware of any case that explicitly said only melody can be copyrighted. In law, a court finding that something isn't possible under the law is very different from no precedent existing. Even if there were such a case, music has changed drastically throughout the decades, and the law could (and should) follow in that matter. (After all, if law stayed the same, we wouldn't still be fighting about abortion in America because Roe v. Wade would have settled things once and for all.) A deeper consideration of music copyright law may be overdue particularly because in music with roots in Africa, percussion is much more integral than in other forms of music like folk or classical music. This doesn't have to mean that just one drum line can be copyrighted, but once enough elements come together, then yes, you do have a unique arrangement, as with GTGIU, which is one of the most unique-sounding songs ever released to mass market. Determining uniqueness of a percussive arrangement is more complex than melody, true, but we also have the technology now to analyze these things (though even without technology I doubt it would take the average person more than half a second to see the ripoff here).

BlaqueKnight said:

novabrkr said:

As far as I can tell, "the courts" have not been involved to any real degree yet. The article is about SONY making sure it won't end up in crossfire between the two camps.

Well, its not like Sony is a kind and generous company that just wants to give away money for no reason. There is a reason they are doing what they are doing.

Maybe, but you and many other people that have commented on this topic seemed to be under the impression that there's already been some sort of court decisions on the case. The articles I've read on the isse are all rather short, but what's happened seems to be that SONY has simply bought its way out of it, so the Thicke camp are now on their own.

[edit - "seem" -> "seemed"]

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Gunsnhalen said:

I'm fucking sick of this abortion of a song. Got To Give It Up at least has some exposure now to younger people i guess? that's the only positive is ee from it.

But, my gosh people won't let this song go. It' still in the top 40... and it's been almost a year. I mean are people not sick of this shit turd yet

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I think women love Blurred Lines a lot more than they're letting on.

Arbwyth said:

nd33 said:

Of course drums patterns can be composed! And they are! But in pop music they are irrelevent in terms of the law and song writing copyright.

Soooo have you heard the melodies of any pop songs lately? Particularly of this piece of garbage? It's literally nearly the same brain-numbingly stupid melodic line over and over again. Without the percussive aspect that was lifted from GTGIU, Blurred Lines would be NOTHING. Copyright law simply isn't settled on the matter of percussion -- I'm not aware of any case that explicitly said only melody can be copyrighted. In law, a court finding that something isn't possible under the law is very different from no precedent existing. Even if there were such a case, music has changed drastically throughout the decades, and the law could (and should) follow in that matter. (After all, if law stayed the same, we wouldn't still be fighting about abortion in America because Roe v. Wade would have settled things once and for all.) A deeper consideration of music copyright law may be overdue particularly because in music with roots in Africa, percussion is much more integral than in other forms of music like folk or classical music. This doesn't have to mean that just one drum line can be copyrighted, but once enough elements come together, then yes, you do have a unique arrangement, as with GTGIU, which is one of the most unique-sounding songs ever released to mass market. Determining uniqueness of a percussive arrangement is more complex than melody, true, but we also have the technology now to analyze these things (though even without technology I doubt it would take the average person more than half a second to see the ripoff here).

Sure, I totally agree with you that Blurred Lines is generic and that GTGIU is a masterpiece and an enduring classic.

.

But the fact remains that copyright law in pop music focusses on melody and harmony, not drums/percussion. There's no need for me to go on about how these two songs have nothing in common in that respect.

TonyVanDam said:

Chancellor said:

Oh yeah...That battle is LEGENDARY...LOL...I bet Michael and The Isley brothers ignore each other at functions...

You notice that Michael's career has been reduced to singing on automobile commericals, right?!? That goes to show you how badly he lost in that legendary court case with The Isleys.

It could also be that someone noticed he was totally ridiculous!

novabrkr said:

BlaqueKnight said:

Well, its not like Sony is a kind and generous company that just wants to give away money for no reason. There is a reason they are doing what they are doing.

Maybe, but you and many other people that have commented on this topic seemed to be under the impression that there's already been some sort of court decisions on the case. The articles I've read on the isse are all rather short, but what's happened seems to be that SONY has simply bought its way out of it, so the Thicke camp are now on their own.

Thank you!

People also seem to forget that Thicke had already offered a "six-figure" settlement deal, but Marvin's children wanted more. Sounds like quite enough for something that "inspired" his tune and it's not like the money was going to Marvin and the musicians that created the song originally.

I just can't respect what the "kids" are doing because of the additional claims of Thicke ripping off Funkadelic and whatever bullshit they've let out of their mouths in interviews. They've had a decent case with "Blurred Lines", but the other crap is not okay.

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novabrkr said:

People also seem to forget that Thicke had already offered a "six-figure" settlement deal, but Marvin's children wanted more. Sounds like quite enough for something that "inspired" his tune and it's not like the money was going to Marvin and the musicians that created the song originally.

I just can't respect what the "kids" are doing because of the additional claims of Thicke ripping off Funkadelic and whatever bullshit they've let out of their mouths on interviews. They've had a decent case with "Blurred Lines", but the other crap is not okay.

Yep.

novabrkr said:

People also seem to forget that Thicke had already offered a "six-figure" settlement deal, but Marvin's children wanted more. Sounds like quite enough for something that "inspired" his tune and it's not like the money was going to Marvin and the musicians that created the song originally.

I just can't respect what the "kids" are doing because of the additional claims of Thicke ripping off Funkadelic and whatever bullshit they've let out of their mouths in interviews. They've had a decent case with "Blurred Lines", but the other crap is not okay.

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I don't agree with half of what you said but ALL Singers like Thicke need to read your post and get the "Moral" of this repeating story...Artists & Record Labels that try to be slick and choose to abuse previously Published material will be in for the fight of their Careers and what remains of their dignity and self-respect..

Robin was nominated for 4 NAACP Image Awards last week. The HuffPost Blogger gives an interesting argument. Click on the Article link below..

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Either Robin Thicke Is Unworthy of an NAACP Image Award or the Awards Are Unworthy of Our Support (Morris W. O'Kelly, HuffPost)

Outstanding Male Artist
Outstanding Duo, Group or Collaboration -- "Blurred Lines"
Outstanding Song -- "Blurred Lines"
Outstanding Album -- "Blurred Lines"

http://www.huffingtonpost...98276.html

Chancellor said:

Robin was nominated for 4 NAACP Image Awards last week. The HuffPost Blogger gives an interesting argument. Click on the Article link below..

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Either Robin Thicke Is Unworthy of an NAACP Image Award or the Awards Are Unworthy of Our Support (Morris W. O'Kelly, HuffPost)

Outstanding Male Artist
Outstanding Duo, Group or Collaboration -- "Blurred Lines"
Outstanding Song -- "Blurred Lines"
Outstanding Album -- "Blurred Lines"

http://www.huffingtonpost...98276.html

The NAACP has ZERO relevance these days outside of being a side joke for political comedy sketches. They were bought out years ago. They too, find themselves running from the PC police and substituting political correctness for justice.

That said, all awards shows are bought and paid for. They ALL have corporate sponsors. Once you realize and accept that, then you understand just how much of a facade they are.

Timberlake is nominated, too. You forgot to mention that. Check their sponsors and you will most assuredly find a company that is a subdivision of Sony.
Both Timberlake and Thicke are under the Sony umbrella. No way is Sony going to pass on a chance to pimp two of its big products to a consumer market base; NAACP be damned.

BlaqueKnight said:

The NAACP has ZERO relevance these days outside of being a side joke for political comedy sketches. They were bought out years ago. They too, find themselves running from the PC police and substituting political correctness for justice.

That said, all awards shows are bought and paid for. They ALL have corporate sponsors. Once you realize and accept that, then you understand just how much of a facade they are.

Timberlake is nominated, too. You forgot to mention that. Check their sponsors and you will most assuredly find a company that is a subdivision of Sony.
Both Timberlake and Thickeare under the Sony umbrella. No way is Sony going to pass on a chance to pimp two of its big products to a consumer market base; NAACP be damned.

The NAACP supports Womens Rights, Immigration Reform, Affordable Health-care and EVERY NAACP chapter in all 50 states supports Gay Marriage.The organization has ALWAYS supported equal Rights. They've backed President Obama's Policies since day one. Your comment is proof that you don't do your homework. Watching Comedy Sketches is not doing your homework. You def sound like you have bought into the Conservative Party talking-points.

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I didn'thave to mention Justine Timberlake's punk Ass because the article did and Justine's name is not the title of this thread.

The NAACP being relevant? Lol riiiight... whatever.

Chancellor said:

Robin was nominated for 4 NAACP Image Awards last week. The HuffPost Blogger gives an interesting argument. Click on the Article link below..

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Either Robin Thicke Is Unworthy of an NAACP Image Award or the Awards Are Unworthy of Our Support (Morris W. O'Kelly, HuffPost)

Outstanding Male Artist
Outstanding Duo, Group or Collaboration -- "Blurred Lines"
Outstanding Song -- "Blurred Lines"
Outstanding Album -- "Blurred Lines"

http://www.huffingtonpost...98276.html

no way...

Timmy84 said:

The NAACP being relevant? Lol riiiight... whatever.

You're entitled to your opinion but Tell that to the Gay Community that didn't have the support from any other National Organization UNTIL The NAACP stepped-up to help fight for their civil rights. Maybe Marvin Gaye would've helped somebody back-in-the-day if he wasn't Doped up all the time.

Chancellor said:

Timmy84 said:

The NAACP being relevant? Lol riiiight... whatever.

You're entitled to your opinion but Tell that to the Gay Community that didn't have the support from any other National Organization UNTIL The NAACP stepped-up to help fight for their civil rights. Maybe Marvin Gaye would've helped somebody back-in-the-day if he wasn't Doped up all the time.

But what about the Urban League?