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Color Blind: No African-American Artists Had a No. 1 Hit in 2013

Color Blind: No African-American Artists Had a No. 1 Hit in 2013

Somehow, Beyonce didn't have a No. 1 hit in 2013. Nor did her husband. Or Kanye. Or....

By TIME Staff Jan. 10, 20140
Beyonce
Larry Busacca / PW / WireImage for Parkwood Entertainment / Getty Images

Beyoncé performs at the Staples Center in Los Angeles on Dec. 3, 2013

Hip-hop stars Beyonce, Jay Z and Kanye West may have the power to turn everything they touch into gold but not when it comes to scoring a huge pop hit in 2013. In fact, they and other African-American artists did not have a single No.... last year.

According to writer Chris Molanphy, who surveys the pop charts, in a piece for Slate, this is the first time this had happened in the Billboard chart ‘s 55 years. It represents a huge contrast to 10 years ago when a person of a color recorded every chart-topping hit. Rather, African-American artists were featured on other artists’ songs last year, such as Rihanna on Eminem’s “The Monster” and T.I. and Pharrell on Robin Thicke’s inescapable summer hit “Blurred Lines.”

In a similar role reversal, Molanphy also cited that white artists topped the No. 1 spot on the R&B/Hip-Hop chart in 44 out of the 52 weeks last year.

The color omission also applied to this year’s recent inductees into the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame, in which there is not one living African-American artist among them — E Street Band sax player Clarence Clemmons will be posthumously inducted.

As for why this is happening, Molanphy wrote: “Music fans are playing out an unironic version of Stephen Colbert’s joke about not seeing color…and yet somehow, when the data is compiled about what we’re all buying and streaming, the Timberlakes and Matherses and Macklemores keep winding up atop the stack, ahead of the Miguels and J. Coles.”



Read more: Beyonce, Jay-Z, Kanye African Americans Miss Billboard Hot 100 in 2013 | TIME.com http://entertainment.time.com/2014/01/10/color-blind-no-african-american-artists-had-a-no-1-hit-in-2013/#ixzz2qHprqulI
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Reply #1 posted 01/13/14 6:26am

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It is because RnB these days is awful. Most of it should not even be played on any radio station no matter what the format. It has also been the worst selling genre of music for a few years not.

I also do not see Pop stations taking the time to edit out all the profanity and inappropriate lyrics in most of the songs.

Make better music and pop stations may play it and people may actually start buying.

banks said:

Color Blind: No African-American Artists Had a No. 1 Hit in 2013

Somehow, Beyonce didn't have a No. 1 hit in 2013. Nor did her husband. Or Kanye. Or....

By TIME Staff Jan. 10, 20140
Beyonce
Larry Busacca / PW / WireImage for Parkwood Entertainment / Getty Images

Beyoncé performs at the Staples Center in Los Angeles on Dec. 3, 2013

Hip-hop stars Beyonce, Jay Z and Kanye West may have the power to turn everything they touch into gold but not when it comes to scoring a huge pop hit in 2013. In fact, they and other African-American artists did not have a single No.... last year.

According to writer Chris Molanphy, who surveys the pop charts, in a piece for Slate, this is the first time this had happened in the Billboard chart ‘s 55 years. It represents a huge contrast to 10 years ago when a person of a color recorded every chart-topping hit. Rather, African-American artists were featured on other artists’ songs last year, such as Rihanna on Eminem’s “The Monster” and T.I. and Pharrell on Robin Thicke’s inescapable summer hit “Blurred Lines.”

In a similar role reversal, Molanphy also cited that white artists topped the No. 1 spot on the R&B/Hip-Hop chart in 44 out of the 52 weeks last year.

The color omission also applied to this year’s recent inductees into the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame, in which there is not one living African-American artist among them — E Street Band sax player Clarence Clemmons will be posthumously inducted.

As for why this is happening, Molanphy wrote: “Music fans are playing out an unironic version of Stephen Colbert’s joke about not seeing color…and yet somehow, when the data is compiled about what we’re all buying and streaming, the Timberlakes and Matherses and Macklemores keep winding up atop the stack, ahead of the Miguels and J. Coles.”



Read more: Beyonce, Jay-Z, Kanye African Americans Miss Billboard Hot 100 in 2013 | TIME.com http://entertainment.time.com/2014/01/10/color-blind-no-african-american-artists-had-a-no-1-hit-in-2013/#ixzz2qHprqulI

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Reply #2 posted 01/13/14 8:01am

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yes and no gay man had a no 1 hit either....you can make something out of nothing of course.

Didn´t Beyonce make the biggest impact in 2013?

I don't check if a singer is black or white and i think most people don't.

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Reply #3 posted 01/13/14 9:53am

Empress

banks said:

Color Blind: No African-American Artists Had a No. 1 Hit in 2013

Somehow, Beyonce didn't have a No. 1 hit in 2013. Nor did her husband. Or Kanye. Or....

By TIME Staff Jan. 10, 20140
Beyonce
Larry Busacca / PW / WireImage for Parkwood Entertainment / Getty Images

Beyoncé performs at the Staples Center in Los Angeles on Dec. 3, 2013

Hip-hop stars Beyonce, Jay Z and Kanye West may have the power to turn everything they touch into gold but not when it comes to scoring a huge pop hit in 2013. In fact, they and other African-American artists did not have a single No.... last year.

According to writer Chris Molanphy, who surveys the pop charts, in a piece for Slate, this is the first time this had happened in the Billboard chart ‘s 55 years. It represents a huge contrast to 10 years ago when a person of a color recorded every chart-topping hit. Rather, African-American artists were featured on other artists’ songs last year, such as Rihanna on Eminem’s “The Monster” and T.I. and Pharrell on Robin Thicke’s inescapable summer hit “Blurred Lines.”

In a similar role reversal, Molanphy also cited that white artists topped the No. 1 spot on the R&B/Hip-Hop chart in 44 out of the 52 weeks last year.

The color omission also applied to this year’s recent inductees into the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame, in which there is not one living African-American artist among them — E Street Band sax player Clarence Clemmons will be posthumously inducted.

As for why this is happening, Molanphy wrote: “Music fans are playing out an unironic version of Stephen Colbert’s joke about not seeing color…and yet somehow, when the data is compiled about what we’re all buying and streaming, the Timberlakes and Matherses and Macklemores keep winding up atop the stack, ahead of the Miguels and J. Coles.”



Read more: Beyonce, Jay-Z, Kanye African Americans Miss Billboard Hot 100 in 2013 | TIME.com http://entertainment.time.com/2014/01/10/color-blind-no-african-american-artists-had-a-no-1-hit-in-2013/#ixzz2qHprqulI

Well said Laura. I completely agree.

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Reply #4 posted 01/13/14 9:53am

Identity

Given the lamentable state of what passes for the best-of-the best R &B music, the subject matter is both puzzling and laughable.

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Reply #5 posted 01/13/14 10:59am

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Empress said:

banks said:

Color Blind: No African-American Artists Had a No. 1 Hit in 2013

Somehow, Beyonce didn't have a No. 1 hit in 2013. Nor did her husband. Or Kanye. Or....

By TIME Staff Jan. 10, 20140
Beyonce
Larry Busacca / PW / WireImage for Parkwood Entertainment / Getty Images

Beyoncé performs at the Staples Center in Los Angeles on Dec. 3, 2013

Hip-hop stars Beyonce, Jay Z and Kanye West may have the power to turn everything they touch into gold but not when it comes to scoring a huge pop hit in 2013. In fact, they and other African-American artists did not have a single No.... last year.

According to writer Chris Molanphy, who surveys the pop charts, in a piece for Slate, this is the first time this had happened in the Billboard chart ‘s 55 years. It represents a huge contrast to 10 years ago when a person of a color recorded every chart-topping hit. Rather, African-American artists were featured on other artists’ songs last year, such as Rihanna on Eminem’s “The Monster” and T.I. and Pharrell on Robin Thicke’s inescapable summer hit “Blurred Lines.”

In a similar role reversal, Molanphy also cited that white artists topped the No. 1 spot on the R&B/Hip-Hop chart in 44 out of the 52 weeks last year.

The color omission also applied to this year’s recent inductees into the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame, in which there is not one living African-American artist among them — E Street Band sax player Clarence Clemmons will be posthumously inducted.

As for why this is happening, Molanphy wrote: “Music fans are playing out an unironic version of Stephen Colbert’s joke about not seeing color…and yet somehow, when the data is compiled about what we’re all buying and streaming, the Timberlakes and Matherses and Macklemores keep winding up atop the stack, ahead of the Miguels and J. Coles.”



Read more: Beyonce, Jay-Z, Kanye African Americans Miss Billboard Hot 100 in 2013 | TIME.com http://entertainment.time.com/2014/01/10/color-blind-no-african-american-artists-had-a-no-1-hit-in-2013/#ixzz2qHprqulI

Well said Laura. I completely agree.

Agree to what? Timberlake didn't even hit number 1 in 2013, what's the point of this article?

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Reply #6 posted 01/13/14 11:24am

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1. The Rock & Roll Hall of shame isn't and never will be some-type of litmus test of whether an artist, band, musician, singer, or songwriter created a creditable body of work and/or career. The Hall is a fucking joke.


2. Be very careful what you desperately sell your soul out for... because it seems crossing over now means crossing over to oblivion. wink



That being said...

Institutional racism is a fact it doesn't and hasn't disappeared; however is does transform itself to deny people opportunity or shut them out all together. Usually when you see an economic shift, people of color ( particularly black folks) are left looking in from the outside. Racism has always existed in music, always. So, when you look at these few music conglomerate's that are responsible for creating and marketing music to the mainstream.... ask yourself who's going to get their dollars and time? When profit margins are razor thin and "image" is everything, what are they chances talent wins out over a look or color? That's one aspect its not all black and white either.

As Id' and Ms. Richardson have mentioned the, state of R&b/Soul is terrible. The few artist who are tauted as such seem to put "brand" first and music second. As a whole I get the impression that today's artist ( irrespective of genre) have company suites in the recording studio dictating what they create. If all politics is local in my opinion, so is music. We are the places for these Black musician's to play and build a base? Painful as it may seem music isn't what most folks spend their money on anymore, including me.

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Reply #7 posted 01/13/14 12:24pm

Gunsnhalen

I just posted on this today. There were 3 black artists in a number 1 song. T.I & Pharell were on Blurred Lines. And, Ray Dalton was on Can't Hold Us. That's 3 black artists on a number 1 song.

Plus, we know Rihoenna, Beyonce, Nicki Minaj, Drake etc. Rule the radio... they're the most overplayed artists of the past few years. Now... why don't we ask where's the Asian artists? the latino artists? the middle eastern artist? none of them are in the top 40. That's the real issue too me, if there is an issue. Cause top 40 doesn't really mean shit in the end anyways.


But, even with all that said. Orgers please stop playing dumb with me. Radio is WHITE and BLACK. There were 3 black artists on a number 1 song, radio is ruled by r&b, hip-hop and pop. The only thing on top 40 is white or black. So this is just a bullshti article claiming bullshit.

When you can't tell how many Asian or Middle Eastern artists had a top 40 in the past few years besides Psy. Oh yeah... cause there isn't any.

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Reply #8 posted 01/13/14 12:31pm

Gunsnhalen

Articles like this piss me the fuck off. Cause they act like no black artists ever have number 1 hits or are never played on radio rolleyes this is pure race baiting bullshit.

In the 80's white and black artists cheered each other on. Phil Collins, Hall & Oates, George Michael etc. Were accepted for the most part in r&b and they wern't fighting each other.

Why were black and white artists so much more in synch then? rock artists could play on a black artists album. And vice versa... is there no harmony anymore? probably not cause of bullshit articles like this.

Some of y'all seriously seem to forget how Asian artists are so incredibly unrepresented in music. Except Psy... and he's only famous for a dumbass youtube video... i hardly count as a singer, rapper, or musician. Y'all forget how there has never been hardly ANY fucking asian artists on radio since... well EVER lol while white and black artists are played hur dur every fucking day on top 40 radio.

Get......THE........FUUUUUCK.......OUTTTTA HERE WITH THAT BULLSHIT AND SHUT THE DOOR.

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Reply #9 posted 01/13/14 12:34pm

Gunsnhalen

Can we also talk about how so many mother fucking hip-hop and r&b producers. Have stolen yes STOLEN from Asian, middle eastern, latino and Native American artists. Straught up still their shit and give them no got damn credit. And y'all know it happens...

Timbaland, Jermaine Dupri, Gucci Mayne, Petey Pablo, Polow da don, Will I Am etc. That's just a few of dozens of producers who have stolen from artists in other countries. Yet all y'all wanna cry about is ''omg a white man does an r&b song and it gets nomninated omg omg it's horrible'' when y'all wanna completly shut the fuck out of other cultures who's music has never been given the time of fuckign day.

Pathetic...

Pistols sounded like "Fuck off," wheras The Clash sounded like "Fuck Off, but here's why.."- Thedigitialgardener

All music is shit music and no music is real- gunsnhalen

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Reply #10 posted 01/13/14 12:38pm

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Gunsnhalen said:

I just posted on this today. There were 3 black artists in a number 1 song. T.I & Pharell were on Blurred Lines. And, Ray Dalton was on Can't Hold Us. That's 3 black artists on a number 1 song.

Plus, we know Rihoenna, Beyonce, Nicki Minaj, Drake etc. Rule the radio... they're the most overplayed artists of the past few years. Now... why don't we ask where's the Asian artists? the latino artists? the middle eastern artist? none of them are in the top 40. That's the real issue too me, if there is an issue. Cause top 40 doesn't really mean shit in the end anyways.


But, even with all that said. Orgers please stop playing dumb with me. Radio is WHITE and BLACK. There were 3 black artists on a number 1 song, radio is ruled by r&b, hip-hop and pop. The only thing on top 40 is white or black. So this is just a bullshti article claiming bullshit.

When you can't tell how many Asian or Middle Eastern artists had a top 40 in the past few years besides Psy. Oh yeah... cause there isn't any.

Oh please stop it.

As Id' mention can you define most of that garage as R&B/Soul? I guess we differ... I"ll leave at that.

Oh, the nex time Robin T.I & Pharell have a hit, they should attempt to come up with some orignal shit. I know they have it in them. wink

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Reply #11 posted 01/13/14 12:39pm

Gunsnhalen

TD3 said:

Gunsnhalen said:

I just posted on this today. There were 3 black artists in a number 1 song. T.I & Pharell were on Blurred Lines. And, Ray Dalton was on Can't Hold Us. That's 3 black artists on a number 1 song.

Plus, we know Rihoenna, Beyonce, Nicki Minaj, Drake etc. Rule the radio... they're the most overplayed artists of the past few years. Now... why don't we ask where's the Asian artists? the latino artists? the middle eastern artist? none of them are in the top 40. That's the real issue too me, if there is an issue. Cause top 40 doesn't really mean shit in the end anyways.


But, even with all that said. Orgers please stop playing dumb with me. Radio is WHITE and BLACK. There were 3 black artists on a number 1 song, radio is ruled by r&b, hip-hop and pop. The only thing on top 40 is white or black. So this is just a bullshti article claiming bullshit.

When you can't tell how many Asian or Middle Eastern artists had a top 40 in the past few years besides Psy. Oh yeah... cause there isn't any.

Oh please stop it.

As Id' mention can you define most of that garage as R&B/Soul? I guess we differ... I"ll leave at that.

Oh, the nex time Robin T.I & Pharell have a hit, they should attempt to come up with some orignal shit. I know they have it in them. wink

I never said i like it. The article is about how no black artist has a number 1 hit. I didn't say it was a masterpiece or some shit.

Pistols sounded like "Fuck off," wheras The Clash sounded like "Fuck Off, but here's why.."- Thedigitialgardener

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Reply #12 posted 01/13/14 12:42pm

Empress

nextedition said:

Empress said:

Well said Laura. I completely agree.

Agree to what? Timberlake didn't even hit number 1 in 2013, what's the point of this article?

I agree to the comments made by Laura (see below in bold)

It is because RnB these days is awful. Most of it should not even be played on any radio station no matter what the format. It has also been the worst selling genre of music for a few years not.

I also do not see Pop stations taking the time to edit out all the profanity and inappropriate lyrics in most of the songs.

Make better music and pop stations may play it and people may actually start buying.

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Reply #13 posted 01/13/14 12:45pm

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Empress said:

nextedition said:

Agree to what? Timberlake didn't even hit number 1 in 2013, what's the point of this article?

I agree to the comments made by Laura (see below in bold)

It is because RnB these days is awful. Most of it should not even be played on any radio station no matter what the format. It has also been the worst selling genre of music for a few years not.

I also do not see Pop stations taking the time to edit out all the profanity and inappropriate lyrics in most of the songs.

Make better music and pop stations may play it and people may actually start buying.

If you make better music and you're Asian it won't get played no matter what lol

A lot of modern r&b is pretty shitty. But, that is not what the article is complaining about. It makes it seem like no black artists were on number 1 hits.. that's untrue... and it makes it seem like no black artists are ever played on radio. The overplayed shit on the shit determined that was a lie.

Pistols sounded like "Fuck off," wheras The Clash sounded like "Fuck Off, but here's why.."- Thedigitialgardener

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Reply #14 posted 01/13/14 1:30pm

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I wonder why music made by 'Black' and 'African American' folks automatically means R&B and/or rap. Are Andre Watts, Carolina Chocolate Drops, Johnny Ventura, Denyce Graves, and Charley Pride not black? The article says African Americans had no #1 hits on the Top 100, yet the average comments here say R&B was no good and in general US society, it's the same stereotype that black music = R&B. There's no default genre with "White" music. It can mean anything like country, heavy metal, rave, or opera.

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As far as the article goes, it's doubtful any Cherokee performers had any #1s or even charted at all on the Hot 100. So I don't know what the point is.

You can take a black guy to Nashville from right out of the cotton fields with bib overalls, and they will call him R&B. You can take a white guy in a pin-stripe suit who’s never seen a cotton field, and they will call him country. ~ O. B. McClinton
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Reply #15 posted 01/13/14 1:31pm

Gunsnhalen

MickyDolenz said:

I wonder why music made by 'Black' and 'African American' folks automatically means R&B and/or rap. Are Andre Watts, Carolina Chocolate Drops, Johnny Ventura, Denyce Graves, and Charley Pride not black? The article says African Americans had no #1 hits on the Top 100, yet the average comments here say R&B was no good and in general US society, it's the same stereotype that black music = R&B. There's no default genre with "White" music. It can mean anything like country, heavy metal, rave, or opera.

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As far as the article goes, it's doubtful any Cherokee performers had any #1s or even charted at all on the Hot 100. So I don't know what the point is.

This is very true as well.

Pistols sounded like "Fuck off," wheras The Clash sounded like "Fuck Off, but here's why.."- Thedigitialgardener

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nextedition said:

Empress said:

Well said Laura. I completely agree.

Agree to what? Timberlake didn't even hit number 1 in 2013, what's the point of this article?

---That no African-American artist hit number one on the pop chart a first in 55 years. This is a fact and since the vast majority of African- Americans perform RnB music this may have something to do with the overall quailty of that style.

I hope I made it clear for you.

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Gunsnhalen said:

Can we also talk about how so many mother fucking hip-hop and r&b producers. Have stolen yes STOLEN from Asian, middle eastern, latino and Native American artists. Straught up still their shit and give them no got damn credit. And y'all know it happens...

Timbaland, Jermaine Dupri, Gucci Mayne, Petey Pablo, Polow da don, Will I Am etc. That's just a few of dozens of producers who have stolen from artists in other countries. Yet all y'all wanna cry about is ''omg a white man does an r&b song and it gets nomninated omg omg it's horrible'' when y'all wanna completly shut the fuck out of other cultures who's music has never been given the time of fuckign day.

Pathetic...

well it did not help sell any of the music sell which means the vast majoirty have never herd or gave this stolen music the time of day.

I am sure these artist can use the courts to collect what little money those stolen samples generated.

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Reply #18 posted 01/13/14 1:53pm

Gunsnhalen

laurarichardson said:

nextedition said:

Agree to what? Timberlake didn't even hit number 1 in 2013, what's the point of this article?

---That no African-American artist hit number one on the pop chart a first in 55 years. This is a fact and since the vast majority of African- Americans perform RnB music this may have something to do with the overall quailty of that style.

I hope I made it clear for you.

Once again T.I & Pharrell were on a song that was number 1 on the pop charts for 10 weeks. And Ray Dalton sang the chorus on Can't Hold Us which was also number 1. They were feautured on the song... and yes they are black. So, once again this article is false.

Pistols sounded like "Fuck off," wheras The Clash sounded like "Fuck Off, but here's why.."- Thedigitialgardener

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Reply #19 posted 01/13/14 1:56pm

Gunsnhalen

laurarichardson said:

Gunsnhalen said:

Can we also talk about how so many mother fucking hip-hop and r&b producers. Have stolen yes STOLEN from Asian, middle eastern, latino and Native American artists. Straught up still their shit and give them no got damn credit. And y'all know it happens...

Timbaland, Jermaine Dupri, Gucci Mayne, Petey Pablo, Polow da don, Will I Am etc. That's just a few of dozens of producers who have stolen from artists in other countries. Yet all y'all wanna cry about is ''omg a white man does an r&b song and it gets nomninated omg omg it's horrible'' when y'all wanna completly shut the fuck out of other cultures who's music has never been given the time of fuckign day.

Pathetic...

well it did not help sell any of the music sell which means the vast majoirty have never herd or gave this stolen music the time of day.

I am sure these artist can use the courts to collect what little money those stolen samples generated.

Huh? which music do you mean? the artists who had their music stolen? or the producers? cause they all had HUGE hits by stealing music from Middle Eastern artists lol Big Pimpin for example.

Timbaland didn't even admit to the sample of that arabic song till years later. And the artists didn't get money off it.

Pistols sounded like "Fuck off," wheras The Clash sounded like "Fuck Off, but here's why.."- Thedigitialgardener

All music is shit music and no music is real- gunsnhalen

Datdonkeydick- Asherfierce

Gary Hunts Album Isn't That Good- Soulalive
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Reply #20 posted 01/13/14 1:58pm

Gunsnhalen

There also hasn't been a gay artist who hit number 1 either. Luarie said African Americans have been having number 1 hits for 56 years (Yes, sorry this year counts too)

While only one Asian artist had a number 1 hit... and that was in 1964. But, of course for anyone here mixed with Asian. Or fullbread Asian i found our musical opinion doesn't seem to count lol

Pistols sounded like "Fuck off," wheras The Clash sounded like "Fuck Off, but here's why.."- Thedigitialgardener

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Reply #21 posted 01/13/14 1:59pm

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Gunsnhalen said:

TD3 said:

Oh please stop it.

As Id' mention can you define most of that garage as R&B/Soul? I guess we differ... I"ll leave at that.

Oh, the nex time Robin T.I & Pharell have a hit, they should attempt to come up with some orignal shit. I know they have it in them. wink

I never said i like it. The article is about how no black artist has a number 1 hit. I didn't say it was a masterpiece or some shit.

They are discussing RnB artist performing RnB music which made it to Number One on the Pop chart. They are not discussing African-Artist who do country, jazz, heavy metal or any other style other than RnB. I do argee that the article makes it seem like it is based on solely on race but it really is a combnation of race, bad music and cultrual differences.

Rnb artist need to do better music and tone down the offensiveness. You cannot crossover to pop audiences and get away with the same stuff you do with urban audiences.

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Gunsnhalen said:

laurarichardson said:

well it did not help sell any of the music sell which means the vast majoirty have never herd or gave this stolen music the time of day.

I am sure these artist can use the courts to collect what little money those stolen samples generated.

Huh? which music do you mean? the artists who had their music stolen? or the producers? cause they all had HUGE hits by stealing music from Middle Eastern artists lol Big Pimpin for example.

Timbaland didn't even admit to the sample of that arabic song till years later. And the artists didn't get money off it.

Rnb music sells the least next to Classical it has been like that for a few years. I honestly do not think the average person would have even noticed or can now recall the songs you are discussing. I know I cannot because I cannot stand Timberland.

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Reply #23 posted 01/13/14 3:05pm

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laurarichardson said:

They are discussing RnB artist performing RnB music which made it to Number One on the Pop chart.

In fact, they and other African-American artists did not have a single No.... last year.

According to writer Chris Molanphy, who surveys the pop charts, in a piece for Slate, this is the first time this had happened in the Billboard chart ‘s 55 years. It represents a huge contrast to 10 years ago when a person of a color recorded every chart-topping hit. Rather, African-American artists were featured on other artists’ songs last year, such as Rihanna on Eminem’s “The Monster” and T.I. and Pharrell on Robin Thicke’s inescapable summer hit “Blurred Lines.”

There is nothing here that says R&B performer, it clearly says "African American" and "person of color". Anyway, "person of color" is not black only, it means anyone not white. So are you saying that all of the #1's that African Americans had on the pop chart during this 55 year period were R&B? Just because the next paragraph mentions white acts appearing on the R&B/hip hop chart, does not make the previous one about R&B only. Talking about white people appearing on the R&B/hip hop chart in itself is just another way of saying R&B = "black", like it's some big deal. If a white act appears on the jazz or blues chart, no mention is made of their race. So why is it so about the R&B/hip hop one? It's the same if a black act performs in a genre not R&B like "Black rock" & "Afro Punk" or a white one in R&B/soul/funk/rap. It's "blue-eyed soul", not just R&B. It's even insinuated in saying something like "Why is Phil Collins accepted by R&B audiences, but not rock ones?" in that because Phil is white, then he's automatically supposed to be liked by rock (aka white males) critics as if what they think is any more important. Daryl Hall said on an episode of his show that rock critics are suspect and prejudiced of music not rock or does not have a blues influence.

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You can take a black guy to Nashville from right out of the cotton fields with bib overalls, and they will call him R&B. You can take a white guy in a pin-stripe suit who’s never seen a cotton field, and they will call him country. ~ O. B. McClinton
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Reply #24 posted 01/13/14 3:15pm

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MickyDolenz said:

laurarichardson said:

They are discussing RnB artist performing RnB music which made it to Number One on the Pop chart.

In fact, they and other African-American artists did not have a single No.... last year.

According to writer Chris Molanphy, who surveys the pop charts, in a piece for Slate, this is the first time this had happened in the Billboard chart ‘s 55 years. It represents a huge contrast to 10 years ago when a person of a color recorded every chart-topping hit. Rather, African-American artists were featured on other artists’ songs last year, such as Rihanna on Eminem’s “The Monster” and T.I. and Pharrell on Robin Thicke’s inescapable summer hit “Blurred Lines.”

There is nothing here that says R&B performer, it clearly says "African American" and "person of color". Anyway, "person of color" is not black only, it means anyone not white. So are you saying that all of the #1's that African Americans had on the pop chart during this 55 year period were R&B? Just because the next paragraph mentions white acts appearing on the R&B/hip hop chart, does not make the previous one about R&B only. Talking about white people appearing on the R&B/hip hop chart in itself is just another way of saying R&B = "black", like it's some big deal. If a white act appears on the jazz or blues chart, no mention is made of their race. So why is it so about the R&B/hip hop one? It's the same if a black act performs in a genre not R&B like "Black rock" & "Afro Punk" or a white one in R&B/soul/funk/rap. It's "blue-eyed soul", not just R&B. It's even insinuated in saying something like "Why is Phil Collins accepted by R&B audiences, but not rock ones?" in that because Phil is white, then he's automatically supposed to be liked by rock (aka white males) critics as if what they think is any more important. Daryl Hall said on an episode of his show that rock critics are suspect and prejudiced of music not rock or does not have a blues influence.

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thumbs up! clapping You said almost exactly what was i thinking Mickey. But, i couldn't quite put it into words.

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Reply #25 posted 01/13/14 3:17pm

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this shows future proof, and showing the end result of what kicked off in 1987, some 26 1/2 years ago

genuine black music expression has been wiped out and was submerged by the Pop Ascension Movement which obliterated our culture

it's toast and will only get worse, because all the virtue has been tapped into, exploited, and drained out to where there's nothing left..........TOAST......

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Reply #26 posted 01/13/14 3:37pm

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“Music fans are playing out an unironic version of Stephen Colbert’s joke about not seeing color…and yet somehow, when the data is compiled about what we’re all buying and streaming, the Timberlakes and Matherses and Macklemores keep winding up atop the stack, ahead of the Miguels and J. Coles.”

This is what I can't stand though. Talking about 'the Timberlakes, the Matherses, the Macklemores' against 'the Miguels, the J. Coles' as if there's a white/black division running along music to begin with.

I thought '13 was a fun year for music. Loved Em's new album, didn't care for Jay's; pumped Kweli's 'Prisoner of Conscious' a LOT, had mixed feeling's about 'Yeezus'. Em is having his first substantial mainstream successes since 'Encore' from 2005. He hadn't been relevant to the hip hop scene in about 8 years. There were no white rappers bubbling up to the surface during the time of his lull. Macklemore is doing well because 'Heist' is some catchy shyt, with balanced but accessible lyrics, and the production on it is tight.

Who's going to lose any sleep over another Tennessee white boy running around with 'black music'? Timbaland won't! He's laughing all the way to the bank! You buy JT's record, some of that money is going to flow into a brother's pocket.

Pharrell was EVERYWHERE last year. 'Happy' topped several European charts. And you know that he's Blasian!

So yeah. Maybe no US Billboard number ones aside from featured guest spots, but still a lot of great mainstream successes.

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Reply #27 posted 01/13/14 4:06pm

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ginusher said:

“Music fans are playing out an unironic version of Stephen Colbert’s joke about not seeing color…and yet somehow, when the data is compiled about what we’re all buying and streaming, the Timberlakes and Matherses and Macklemores keep winding up atop the stack, ahead of the Miguels and J. Coles.”

This is what I can't stand though. Talking about 'the Timberlakes, the Matherses, the Macklemores' against 'the Miguels, the J. Coles' as if there's a white/black division running along music to begin with.

I thought '13 was a fun year for music. Loved Em's new album, didn't care for Jay's; pumped Kweli's 'Prisoner of Conscious' a LOT, had mixed feeling's about 'Yeezus'. Em is having his first substantial mainstream successes since 'Encore' from 2005. He hadn't been relevant to the hip hop scene in about 8 years. There were no white rappers bubbling up to the surface during the time of his lull. Macklemore is doing well because 'Heist' is some catchy shyt, with balanced but accessible lyrics, and the production on it is tight.

Who's going to lose any sleep over another Tennessee white boy running around with 'black music'? Timbaland won't! He's laughing all the way to the bank! You buy JT's record, some of that money is going to flow into a brother's pocket.

Pharrell was EVERYWHERE last year. 'Happy' topped several European charts. And you know that he's Blasian!

So yeah. Maybe no US Billboard number ones aside from featured guest spots, but still a lot of great mainstream successes.

ANOTHER GREAT POINT smile

Timbaland IS Timberlake. Justins entire sound is based off of Timbo and his stealing ass lol but, that's for another thread. The truth is Timbaland is the one making the r&b beats.. Justin just shows up to work. So, a black men is still making the music. And who is getting the most money off Blured Lines? Pharrell! he is the producer on it. Get Lucky was also massive... almost getting to number 1. And Happy is a fun little song.

And, how about we look at the top 10 songs of 2013. According to billboard...

Blurred Lines- 2 Black Artists on it
Diamonds- Rihoenna as usual overplayed as fuck.



Oh, and according to billboard. Who had the most top 10's in 2013? oh yeah Drake did with 4 top 10 hits. A Black artists had more top ten hits than anyone else in 2013. And, Rihanna was right behind with 3!

Once again this proves this article is bullshit.

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Reply #28 posted 01/13/14 4:10pm

Gunsnhalen

Speaking of shit lines... that song is apperently still int he top 40. I'm so sick of that song confused people need to let it go already lol

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Reply #29 posted 01/13/14 5:29pm

Timmy84

SHIIIIIIIIT. Black artists barely make #1 on the pop charts anyway and most of the #1's last year were so long running it didn't give anyone else a chance. Bullshit article and I'm black. Fuck this. rolleyes

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