kidmelody2012 said:

datdude said:

the rolling stone article was kind of interesting actually. they state her "blacklisting" as fact. they also say that Damita Jo eventually went platinum several times over. glad powell from the FCC recants years later and acknowledges their overreaction and Justin's "pass"

btw, "kid melody" - Beyonce does have a stronger voice but i'm not conceding "better body" so easily. props to her but she can't dance as good as Janet and has still yet to produce anything socially conscious or genre bending. she's beYAWNce to me. Nipplegate is the primary reason, uneven albums duly noted tho

u crazy...janet cant out grind dance beyonce!

that's the thing, random middle school chicks can "grind dance". nothing innovative about it, HELL, Miley and Helen Mirren are twerking! Sure Beyonce looks better doing it, but its played out and boring. Rhythm Nation's choreography was groundbreaking, so was Pleasure Principle. beyonce can't freestyle

kidmelody2012 said:

datdude said:

the rolling stone article was kind of interesting actually. they state her "blacklisting" as fact. they also say that Damita Jo eventually went platinum several times over. glad powell from the FCC recants years later and acknowledges their overreaction and Justin's "pass"

btw, "kid melody" - Beyonce does have a stronger voice but i'm not conceding "better body" so easily. props to her but she can't dance as good as Janet and has still yet to produce anything socially conscious or genre bending. she's beYAWNce to me. Nipplegate is the primary reason, uneven albums duly noted tho

u crazy...janet cant out grind dance beyonce!

It's disrespectful to even mention Janet and Beyonce in the same sentence icon-wise, much less compare the hoochie/booty shaking that Beyonce does to the intricate, game-changing, iconic and influential choreography that Janet has performed through the years. Grind dancing? Surely you jest .

As for who has the better body, well, that's all relative. But, I'll tell you one thing--before Beyonce, Kim Kardashian and Jennifer Lopez were known for their big asses, Janet was famous for hers.

kidmelody2012 said:

datdude said:

the rolling stone article was kind of interesting actually. they state her "blacklisting" as fact. they also say that Damita Jo eventually went platinum several times over. glad powell from the FCC recants years later and acknowledges their overreaction and Justin's "pass"

btw, "kid melody" - Beyonce does have a stronger voice but i'm not conceding "better body" so easily. props to her but she can't dance as good as Janet and has still yet to produce anything socially conscious or genre bending. she's beYAWNce to me. Nipplegate is the primary reason, uneven albums duly noted tho

u crazy...janet cant out grind dance beyonce!

Grind dancing!? What the fuck is that? Rubbing your butt against another person?? And that is something to aspire too? The discipline to beat?? You show more and more what a fool you are. Janet is a dancer. Beyonce shakes her butt.

SEANMAN said:

kidmelody2012 said:

u crazy...janet cant out grind dance beyonce!

It's disrespectful to even mention Janet and Beyonce in the same sentence icon-wise, much less compare the hoochie/booty shaking that Beyonce does to the intricate, game-changing, iconic and influential choreography that Janet has performed through the years. Grind dancing? Surely you jest .

As for who has the better body, well, that's all relative. But, I'll tell you one thing--before Beyonce, Kim Kardashian and Jennifer Lopez were known for their big asses, Janet was famous for hers.

amen....I'm not impressed at all by the booty shaking

give me that social message that Janet unleashed and blessed the world with in Ryhthm Nation 1814 any day of the week, and hour of the day......

I believe in excellence.......and we haven't been seeing in for years

janet influential? all she did was steal michael's chreography.....please

SEANMAN said:

kidmelody2012 said:

u crazy...janet cant out grind dance beyonce!

It's disrespectful to even mention Janet and Beyonce in the same sentence icon-wise, much less compare the hoochie/booty shaking that Beyonce does to the intricate, game-changing, iconic and influential choreography that Janet has performed through the years. Grind dancing? Surely you jest .

As for who has the better body, well, that's all relative. But, I'll tell you one thing--before Beyonce, Kim Kardashian and Jennifer Lopez were known for their big asses, Janet was famous for hers.

Cinny said:

paisleypark4 said:

Her continued sexualized promotion didn't help...its like..aiight Janet wr know u r hot can u do anything else? She didn't completely desert her adult fan base as her album's were still kind of adult oriented. By discipline you can just tell she was tired letting a foray of producers handle her output. I felt like she wasn't in control anymore. Honestly I haven't felt emotion in her album's since all for you. Rest of the albums lacked personality

Welp. That's why I don't personally connect with the later albums as much either, unless I'm feelin' kinda..

hell nah lol

kidmelody2012 said:

janet influential? all she did was steal michael's chreography.....please

SEANMAN said:

It's disrespectful to even mention Janet and Beyonce in the same sentence icon-wise, much less compare the hoochie/booty shaking that Beyonce does to the intricate, game-changing, iconic and influential choreography that Janet has performed through the years. Grind dancing? Surely you jest .

As for who has the better body, well, that's all relative. But, I'll tell you one thing--before Beyonce, Kim Kardashian and Jennifer Lopez were known for their big asses, Janet was famous for hers.

Who stole from James Brown, Bill Baily, Fred Astaire, Gene Kelly, that dude from Shalamar and some street dancers he met on the set of the Billie Jean video, but mashed it all up to make it fool people like you to think they were all his moves.

kidmelody2012 said:

janet influential? all she did was steal michael's chreography.....please

SEANMAN said:

It's disrespectful to even mention Janet and Beyonce in the same sentence icon-wise, much less compare the hoochie/booty shaking that Beyonce does to the intricate, game-changing, iconic and influential choreography that Janet has performed through the years. Grind dancing? Surely you jest .

As for who has the better body, well, that's all relative. But, I'll tell you one thing--before Beyonce, Kim Kardashian and Jennifer Lopez were known for their big asses, Janet was famous for hers.

I'm sure Paula Abdul, Anthony Thomas, Tina Landon would dispute the claim that all she did was steal her brothers moves.

mancabdriver said:

kidmelody2012 said:

janet influential? all she did was steal michael's chreography.....please

Who stole from James Brown, Bill Baily, Fred Astaire, Gene Kelly, that dude from Shalamar and some street dancers he met on the set of the Billie Jean video, but mashed it all up to make it fool people like you to think they were all his moves.

Don't forget Bob Fosse (Snake in the Grass)

Y'all carry on.

kidmelody2012 said:

janet influential? all she did was steal michael's chreography.....please

WTF? I just can't...

I'm not even slightly interested in revisiting the same, tired Michael vs Janet who-stole-from-who, who-copied-who debate, but I will say this--they were BOTH influenced by each other. Janet grew up respecting and admiring her brother's work, and when she became a superstar in her own right, he, in turn, admired her work. When she worked with Herb Ritts for "Love Will Never Do (Without You)", he tapped Herb to direct the "In The Closet" video. For "Scream", he co-opted Janet's producers and choreographers. He has been quoted as saying that her RN album and short film were favorites of his. He used to practice his moves to Janet's song "The Knowledge" (hell, the last 3 minutes of MJ's "Black or White" video are practically identical to Janet's video for "The Knowledge"...)

As for Janet's influence, well, it's not even debatable. Artists from as far back as the '80s have been compared to Janet. In the '80s, it was Paula Abdul, Nia Peeples, Vanessa Williams and Karyn White. In the '90s, it was Salt N Pepa, Aaliyah and TLC. In the new millineum, it was Britney Spears, Ciara, Mya, Beyonce, Rihanna, J-LO, Solange, Kelly Rowland, and even some male artists such as Chris Brown, N'SYNC and British artist Peter Andre--and those are only some of the artists throughout the years who have either stated how Janet has influenced their careers, or just showed it in their own work...

"Janet was definitely one person I loved to watch growing up and I think she's such an amazing performer and she's contributed so many great things to the musical trend. Because of that I am inspired by her as an artist."--Ciara

"Janet was one of the first female pop icons that I could relate to ... She was so vibrant, she had so much energy. She still has power. I’ve seen her on stage, and she can stand there for 20 minutes and have the whole arena scream at her. You have to love Janet."--Rihanna

“My dream role is to play Janet Jackson, if she ever does her life story while I’m still alive – and I’m young enough to play her."--Keshia Knight Pullium

“My dream role is to play in Janet Jackson’s life story, if I could ever talk to her without crying. If I could actually meet Janet and not cry and run away and make a crackhead of myself, then I’d like to play her.”--Raven Symone

Gabrielle Union admits she was such a huge fan of Janet Jackson that she even let her fixation enter her professional life. She says, "My love affair with Janet Jackson began when she was CHARLENE on DIFF'RENT STROKES. Once, before a big audition, I asked my hairstylist to make me look like her. I did my make-up like Janet, and I walked into WARNER BROTHERS listening to Janet on my headphones, and who else walks out of there but Janet Jackson..."

Janet's 1993 ROLLING STONE cover is one of the most imitated photos of a female artist

Adam Levine said that this photo of him is the male version of Janet's RS cover. He also Tweeted: "Even for as huge as Janet Jackson is. I stil feel like her records are underrated. #brilliant"

Kelly Rowland's performance at the 2011 BET Awards was immediately compared to Janet's 1997

Soul Train Awards performance of "I Get Lonely"

Lady Gaga calling Janet a "legend"

Jennifer Lopez talking about how Janet's "Pleasure Principle" video inspired her to get into show business

Other artists' obvious Janet influence

Chris Brown's "Yeah 3x" was compared to Janet's "Alright"

Peter Andre said that his "Defender" video was an homage to Janet's "Rhythm Nation"

Vanessa Williams' "The Right Stuff" was obviously inspired by "Nasty"

Faith Evans's "All Night Long" was practically a scene-for-scene rip of "I Get Lonely"

Cassie's "Me & U" was noted for it's similarity to Janet's "Pleasure Principle"

Keri Hilson paying homage to Janet in a video and in a photo

And those are only some of the things detailing Janet's industry influence.

SEANMAN Her influence reaches beyond gender or genre.

SEANMAN you better gather them!!!!

Its such a shame we have post receipts to 'prove' her influence. You can do a whole article on Janet's impact on Britney and Justin alone.

Who knew you can recieve so many legend/lifetime achievement awards for doing nothing?

SMH @ stealing choreography from Michael. People really think he's a God. Funny thing is, I can name more things he's taken from Janet than vice versa but no one can even phathom the idea of Michael copying or taking away from someone.

floetcist said:

SEANMAN you better gather them!!!!

Its such a shame we have post receipts to 'prove' her influence. You can do a whole article on Janet's impact on Britney and Justin alone.

Who knew you can recieve so many legend/lifetime achievement awards for doing nothing?

SMH @ stealing choreography from Michael. People really think he's a God. Funny thing is, I can name more things he's taken from Janet than vice versa but no one can even phathom the idea of Michael copying or taking away from someone.

Cinny said:

SEANMAN Her influence reaches beyond gender or genre.

Definitely!

SEANMAN said:

kidmelody2012 said:

janet influential? all she did was steal michael's chreography.....please

WTF? I just can't...

I'm not even slightly interested in revisiting the same, tired Michael vs Janet who-stole-from-who, who-copied-who debate, but I will say this--they were BOTH influenced by each other. Janet grew up respecting and admiring her brother's work, and when she became a superstar in her own right, he, in turn, admired her work. When she worked with Herb Ritts for "Love Will Never Do (Without You)", he tapped Herb to direct the "In The Closet" video. For "Scream", he co-opted Janet's producers and choreographers. He has been quoted as saying that her RN album and short film were favorites of his. He used to practice his moves to Janet's song "The Knowledge" (hell, the last 3 minutes of MJ's "Black or White" video are practically identical to Janet's video for "The Knowledge"...)

As for Janet's influence, well, it's not even debatable. Artists from as far back as the '80s have been compared to Janet. In the '80s, it was Paula Abdul, Nia Peeples, Vanessa Williams and Karyn White. In the '90s, it was Salt N Pepa, Aaliyah and TLC. In the new millineum, it was Britney Spears, Ciara, Mya, Beyonce, Rihanna, J-LO, Solange, Kelly Rowland, and even some male artists such as Chris Brown, N'SYNC and British artist Peter Andre--and those are only some of the artists throughout the years who have either stated how Janet has influenced their careers, or just showed it in their own work...

"Janet was definitely one person I loved to watch growing up and I think she's such an amazing performer and she's contributed so many great things to the musical trend. Because of that I am inspired by her as an artist."--Ciara

"Janet was one of the first female pop icons that I could relate to ... She was so vibrant, she had so much energy. She still has power. I’ve seen her on stage, and she can stand there for 20 minutes and have the whole arena scream at her. You have to love Janet."--Rihanna

“My dream role is to play Janet Jackson, if she ever does her life story while I’m still alive – and I’m young enough to play her."--Keshia Knight Pullium

“My dream role is to play in Janet Jackson’s life story, if I could ever talk to her without crying. If I could actually meet Janet and not cry and run away and make a crackhead of myself, then I’d like to play her.”--Raven Symone

Gabrielle Union admits she was such a huge fan of Janet Jackson that she even let her fixation enter her professional life. She says, "My love affair with Janet Jackson began when she was CHARLENE on DIFF'RENT STROKES. Once, before a big audition, I asked my hairstylist to make me look like her. I did my make-up like Janet, and I walked into WARNER BROTHERS listening to Janet on my headphones, and who else walks out of there but Janet Jackson..."

Janet's 1993 ROLLING STONE cover is one of the most imitated photos of a female artist

Adam Levine said that this photo of him is the male version of Janet's RS cover. He also Tweeted: "Even for as huge as Janet Jackson is. I stil feel like her records are underrated. #brilliant"

Kelly Rowland's performance at the 2011 BET Awards was immediately compared to Janet's 1997

Soul Train Awards performance of "I Get Lonely"

Lady Gaga calling Janet a "legend"

Jennifer Lopez talking about how Janet's "Pleasure Principle" video inspired her to get into show business

Other artists' obvious Janet influence

Chris Brown's "Yeah 3x" was compared to Janet's "Alright"

Peter Andre said that his "Defender" video was an homage to Janet's "Rhythm Nation"

Vanessa Williams' "The Right Stuff" was obviously inspired by "Nasty"

Faith Evans's "All Night Long" was practically a scene-for-scene rip of "I Get Lonely"

Cassie's "Me & U" was noted for it's similarity to Janet's "Pleasure Principle"

Keri Hilson paying homage to Janet in a video and in a photo

And those are only some of the things detailing Janet's industry influence.

all real live proof.....

The bottomline is that Michael ALWAYS gave credit to his INFLUENCES(Brown, Astaire, Fosse, etc.) Of course, all AWARE Michael fans already know this.

The actual bottom line is that this is a thread about Janet, not Michael. Whether or not she's selling like she used to is moot, because no artist who made it big in the '80s is selling the way they used to. As for her influence, it is indelible, irrefutable and undeniable. We shouldn't have to pull receipts just to prove it, but JanFans seem to always have to pull receipts, especially for people who think that Beyonce, Britney, Rihanna, etc. originated the visuals, styles and ideas they put forth in their music videos and in their live shows.

1) She's old (or older)

2) Nipplegate

3) Rene isn't a principle songwriter anymore. Is it telling that her decline coincided with her split from Rene?

>

As for Janet's influences I say the biggest were the most obvious; Prince and Michael Jackson. And we can't overlook Miss Paula Abdul, argueably the all important third piece of the Janet puzzle.

CynicKill said:

1) She's old (or older)

2) Nipplegate

3) Rene isn't a principle songwriter anymore. Is it telling that her decline coincided with her split from Rene?

>

As for Janet's influences I say the biggest were the most obvious; Prince and Michael Jackson. And we can't overlook Miss Paula Abdul, argueably the all important third piece of the Janet puzzle.

1) 47 is not old in any way, shape or form. Thanks for the "older" clarification, but her age still has nothing to do with it.

2) I agree that Nipplegate is what caused her chart decline. It's the ONLY thing that caused it.

3) Rene never was the primary songwriter. Don't believe the hype. He helped with visuals and co-wrote some songs, but even Jimmy Jam said he didn't recall Rene being in the studio with a pen and a pad all the time. Janet writes more than people give her credit for, and the songs are always about what she is experiencing in her life at the moment. Also, after her split with Rene, she still put out top 2 albums, sold millions of records, had top 10 hits, released a #1 NY Times Bestselling book and toured. So I don't think "decline" is the correct adjective. It was strictly after Nipplegate that her blacklisting occurred, which, in turn, saw her chart placings decline.

Janet has gone on record as saying that Prine and MJ were big influences on her (she mentioned Prince on TRL in 2001). She's also into Brazillian Jazz which, I get the feeling, will likely be incorportated in some capacity in her new material.

47 is old as shit for a woman in music! especially one who cant play any instruments

SEANMAN said:

CynicKill said:

1) She's old (or older)

2) Nipplegate

3) Rene isn't a principle songwriter anymore. Is it telling that her decline coincided with her split from Rene?

>

As for Janet's influences I say the biggest were the most obvious; Prince and Michael Jackson. And we can't overlook Miss Paula Abdul, argueably the all important third piece of the Janet puzzle.

1) 47 is not old in any way, shape or form. Thanks for the "older" clarification, but her age still has nothing to do with it.

2) I agree that Nipplegate is what caused her chart decline. It's the ONLY thing that caused it.

3) Rene never was the primary songwriter. Don't believe the hype. He helped with visuals and co-wrote some songs, but even Jimmy Jam said he didn't recall Rene being in the studio with a pen and a pad all the time. Janet writes more than people give her credit for, and the songs are always about what she is experiencing in her life at the moment. Also, after her split with Rene, she still put out top 2 albums, sold millions of records, had top 10 hits, released a #1 NY Times Bestselling book and toured. So I don't think "decline" is the correct adjective. It was strictly after Nipplegate that her blacklisting occurred, which, in turn, saw her chart placings decline.

Janet has gone on record as saying that Prine and MJ were big influences on her (she mentioned Prince on TRL in 2001). She's also into Brazillian Jazz which, I get the feeling, will likely be incorportated in some capacity in her new material.

SEANMAN said:

CynicKill said:

1) She's old (or older)

2) Nipplegate

3) Rene isn't a principle songwriter anymore. Is it telling that her decline coincided with her split from Rene?

>

As for Janet's influences I say the biggest were the most obvious; Prince and Michael Jackson. And we can't overlook Miss Paula Abdul, argueably the all important third piece of the Janet puzzle.

1) 47 is not old in any way, shape or form. Thanks for the "older" clarification, but her age still has nothing to do with it.

2) I agree that Nipplegate is what caused her chart decline. It's the ONLY thing that caused it.

3) Rene never was the primary songwriter. Don't believe the hype. He helped with visuals and co-wrote some songs, but even Jimmy Jam said he didn't recall Rene being in the studio with a pen and a pad all the time. Janet writes more than people give her credit for, and the songs are always about what she is experiencing in her life at the moment. Also, after her split with Rene, she still put out top 2 albums, sold millions of records, had top 10 hits, released a #1 NY Times Bestselling book and toured. So I don't think "decline" is the correct adjective. It was strictly after Nipplegate that her blacklisting occurred, which, in turn, saw her chart placings decline.

Janet has gone on record as saying that Prine and MJ were big influences on her (she mentioned Prince on TRL in 2001). She's also into Brazillian Jazz which, I get the feeling, will likely be incorportated in some capacity in her new material.

and she's one of the few artists in history to now own her own Masters and now she's a billionaire and the beautiful part about it, the naysayers can't figure out all she did it...she left them fumbling and stubling...lolll

kidmelody2012 said:

47 is old as shit for a woman in music! especially one who cant play any instruments

Old as shit? Right. And that would be less old as shit if she'd play an instrument. LOL whatever.

Scorp said:

and she's one of the few artists in history to now own her own Masters and now she's a billionaire and the beautiful part about it, the naysayers can't figure out all she did it...she left them fumbling and stubling...lolll

Wrong. She's the wife of a billionaire. Big difference.

PatrickS77 said:

kidmelody2012 said:

47 is old as shit for a woman in music! especially one who cant play any instruments

Old as shit? Right. And that would be less old as shit if she'd play an instrument. LOL whatever.

Scorp said:

and she's one of the few artists in history to now own her own Masters and now she's a billionaire and the beautiful part about it, the naysayers can't figure out all she did it...she left them fumbling and stubling...lolll

Wrong. She's the wife of a billionaire. Big difference.

lollll that's the popular version...I notice u didn't say anything about the fact she owns her own masters.....how convenient

^^That is not the popular version, that is the fact. Not your made up BS.

And why would I comment on her owning her masters?? I don't know whether that's true or not and I really do not care (also it has nothing to do with why she's supposedly not selling).

[Edited 2/9/14 16:23pm]

kidmelody2012 said:

47 is old as shit for a woman in music! especially one who cant play any instruments

PatrickS77 said:

^^That is not the popular version, that is the fact. Not your made up BS.

And why would I comment on her owning her masters?? I don't know whether that's true or not and I really do not care (also it has nothing to do with why she's supposedly not selling).

[Edited 2/9/14 16:23pm]

this guy just said, he "don't know whether that's true or not"......

so that' means u really don't know but u think that u know

that's all I need to know loll

SEANMAN said:

kidmelody2012 said:

47 is old as shit for a woman in music! especially one who cant play any instruments

they jumped the gun once again...lolllll

kidmelody2012 said:

47 is old as shit for a woman in music! especially one who cant play any instruments

SEANMAN said:

1) 47 is not old in any way, shape or form. Thanks for the "older" clarification, but her age still has nothing to do with it.

2) I agree that Nipplegate is what caused her chart decline. It's the ONLY thing that caused it.

3) Rene never was the primary songwriter. Don't believe the hype. He helped with visuals and co-wrote some songs, but even Jimmy Jam said he didn't recall Rene being in the studio with a pen and a pad all the time. Janet writes more than people give her credit for, and the songs are always about what she is experiencing in her life at the moment. Also, after her split with Rene, she still put out top 2 albums, sold millions of records, had top 10 hits, released a #1 NY Times Bestselling book and toured. So I don't think "decline" is the correct adjective. It was strictly after Nipplegate that her blacklisting occurred, which, in turn, saw her chart placings decline.

Janet has gone on record as saying that Prine and MJ were big influences on her (she mentioned Prince on TRL in 2001). She's also into Brazillian Jazz which, I get the feeling, will likely be incorportated in some capacity in her new material.

You have a very nasty, ratchet, negative attitude !!!!!

KCOOLMUZIQ said:

kidmelody2012 said:

47 is old as shit for a woman in music! especially one who cant play any instruments

You have a very nasty, ratchet, negative attitude !!!!!

Please don't feed the 's!

Scorp said:

PatrickS77 said:

^^That is not the popular version, that is the fact. Not your made up BS.

And why would I comment on her owning her masters?? I don't know whether that's true or not and I really do not care (also it has nothing to do with why she's supposedly not selling).

[Edited 2/9/14 16:23pm]

this guy just said, he "don't know whether that's true or not"......

so that' means u really don't know but u think that u know

that's all I need to know loll

Dude, your so fucking retarded. Where in my post did I pretend to know anything about her masters??? If you recall, I didn't refer to your claim about her masters, I only responded to your false claim about her being an billionaire, which she isn't. Her husband is. And even by owning her masters, she wouldn't be a bilionaire. The masters have not such a big worth, as she is not selling like she used to.