Ever since Al4U her sales have went down.Damita Jo just wasn't great. But her last 2 didn't get much radioplay. Discipline sold only 500,000 copies. Is it music quality or mediaplay that's keeping Janet down?

With the stratedgy and Mtv do you think she can do another Control?

I don't think the Super Bowl incident had anything to do with it.

I rather think that it's a combination of audience and radio stations losing interest. With respect, Michael wasn't doing all that hot commercially since 'Invincible' either.

What makes Janet not sell as much records where for example Madonna was still doing okay, is that Janet failed to keep her sound fresh when she was updating it for 'Damita Jo' and 'Discipline'. She set the bar pretty high for herself with 'Velvet Rope', and her later albums kind of sounded like an attempt to reproduce the bawdier parts of the 'janet.' album, and it was all just a bit stale.

If she can, I'd like her to release something a bit more self-reflective, with a balance between ballads and dance tunes.

Thank goodness for Youtube! Fine video this is! See if you can spot Paula Abdul!

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The newer albums (Discipline, 20YO...) just arent that good overall. This is coming from a fan all the way back from Dream Street. These recordings have a lot of filler material, too many songs, too many "interlude" and "skit" annoyances that her fan base should have grown out of years ago, and many have.

Her titties on network television have nothing to do with her sales.

It's a difficult thing sometimes as a critical fan to fess up and just say, "hey, this just isn't good".

Maybe coz she got married and is enjoying life.

In Europe we only laughed about the nipple, but she's not selling here anymore either.

Her last records weren't just very strong, i'm a big fan, but beside some songs (Feedback, Rock with u) they didn't make much of an impact with me.

Besides that, i was never a fan of her being so sexual all the time. It was cool on the Janet. album, later it just became very boring.

Each album sold less and less. "Janet" was her peak period. She never topped it.

shorttrini said:

When she stops making music for the hearing impaired, and starts singing instead of whispering....

I've talked a lot of shit about Janet's post-80s output, but I actually enjoyed many of the songs on Discipline.

Then again, if I enjoy something it's probably not going to do that great on the American charts.

ginusher said:

Cause she hit her peak in the 90's just like Prince and Madonna and Michael hit it in the 80's, every artist has their "honeymoon period" Janet was big for her time but as times changed new YOUNGER ladies came out, she was viewed as OLD NEWS, seem reason no one gives a crap about Mariah, they will always sell to their base audience, they will sell out shows etc...but give it up with the idea of platnum albums and number one hits and across the board coverage.

AGE is the number one reason, the Superbowl thing mattered for about a month, kind of as long as people "were united" after 9/11, sounds good on paper but lets be real that shit ended right away. Plus the last few albums are not good at all, sorry but they aint, they are disposable, phoned in, they all sound as if they are the same long album, and TIMES CHANGE, when was the last time PRINCE sold a record? 10 years ago? and before that when? the very early 90's. Janet had her day let it go.

LittleBLUECorvette said:

ginusher said:

I don't think the Super Bowl incident had anything to do with it.

I rather think that it's a combination of audience and radio stations losing interest. With respect, Michael wasn't doing all that hot commercially since 'Invincible' either.

What makes Janet not sell as much records where for example Madonna was still doing okay, is that Janet failed to keep her sound fresh when she was updating it for 'Damita Jo' and 'Discipline'. She set the bar pretty high for herself with 'Velvet Rope', and her later albums kind of sounded like an attempt to reproduce the bawdier parts of the 'janet.' album, and it was all just a bit stale.

If she can, I'd like her to release something a bit more self-reflective, with a balance between ballads and dance tunes.

Check her album sales pre nipple gate and post nipple gate.

I have no interest in album sale comparisons. If the product isn't good to me, it just isn't good to me.

Timmy84 said:

shorttrini said:

When she stops making music for the hearing impaired, and starts singing instead of whispering....

That is TOO FUNNY but so true....I too am a fan but I was done with hearing how much of a freak she is.....I was like come on Janet you can do better than serving up the ponani in every song....geesh. It works for one album and then move on....

Well Feedback is extreme popularity on Itunes and Make Me's doing pretty well. So I'm gussing airplay has alot to to with it.

Illuminati obviously. They took her soul and nipples in 2004.

LittleBLUECorvette said:

ginusher said:

I don't think the Super Bowl incident had anything to do with it.

I rather think that it's a combination of audience and radio stations losing interest. With respect, Michael wasn't doing all that hot commercially since 'Invincible' either.

What makes Janet not sell as much records where for example Madonna was still doing okay, is that Janet failed to keep her sound fresh when she was updating it for 'Damita Jo' and 'Discipline'. She set the bar pretty high for herself with 'Velvet Rope', and her later albums kind of sounded like an attempt to reproduce the bawdier parts of the 'janet.' album, and it was all just a bit stale.

If she can, I'd like her to release something a bit more self-reflective, with a balance between ballads and dance tunes.

Check her album sales pre nipple gate and post nipple gate.

Control: 5 mill

RN1814: 6 mill

Janet: 7 mill

VR: 2 mill

AFY: 3 mill

DJ: 1 mill

2YO (two years after Super Bowl): 1 mill

Discipline (four years): 480K

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I doubt it was just the result of the Super Bowl like I used to think. Her music wasn't really sellable. Plus promotion was messed up and Virgin (and Janet herself) didn't seem too interested since Janet was tired of doing music. It's obvious she is. Even Terry Lewis can testify to that that Janet was tired of doing music when they were working on Damita Jo so I doubt the Super Bowl played a hand in it.

Timmy84 said:

LittleBLUECorvette said:

ginusher said: Check her album sales pre nipple gate and post nipple gate.

Control: 5 mill

RN1814: 6 mill

Janet: 7 mill

VR: 2 mill

AFY: 3 mill

DJ: 1 mill

2YO (two years after Super Bowl): 1 mill

Discipline (four years): 480K

----
I doubt it was just the result of the Super Bowl like I used to think. Her music wasn't really sellable. Plus promotion was messed up and Virgin (and Janet herself) didn't seem too interested since Janet was tired of doing music. It's obvious she is. Even Terry Lewis can testify to that that Janet was tired of doing music when they were working on Damita Jo so I doubt the Super Bowl played a hand in it.

thing is america has the attention span of about two to three months, her sales were effected initially with the product out, however, i gotta admit it, the constant "jackson thing" of going on tv and doing interviews about it doesnt help at all it keeps the story alive which is a JACKSON thing and we all know that.

Here is a breakdown of why she is slipping

10% of the issue may be the superbowl

20% of the issue is the product not being good

10% Beyonce Rihanna etc

60% HER AGE she is 45? or something like that

lastdecember said:

Timmy84 said:

Control: 5 mill

RN1814: 6 mill

Janet: 7 mill

VR: 2 mill

AFY: 3 mill

DJ: 1 mill

2YO (two years after Super Bowl): 1 mill

Discipline (four years): 480K

----
I doubt it was just the result of the Super Bowl like I used to think. Her music wasn't really sellable. Plus promotion was messed up and Virgin (and Janet herself) didn't seem too interested since Janet was tired of doing music. It's obvious she is. Even Terry Lewis can testify to that that Janet was tired of doing music when they were working on Damita Jo so I doubt the Super Bowl played a hand in it.

thing is america has the attention span of about two to three months, her sales were effected initially with the product out, however, i gotta admit it, the constant "jackson thing" of going on tv and doing interviews about it doesnt help at all it keeps the story alive which is a JACKSON thing and we all know that.

Here is a breakdown of why she is slipping

10% of the issue may be the superbowl

20% of the issue is the product not being good

10% Beyonce Rihanna etc

60% HER AGE she is 45? or something like that

Yeah I should've worded it better, the Super Bowl didn't play a BIG hand in it. But a small portion can be "blamed" on it. But yeah her constant interviews trying to deny or make it that she was a victim (Jackson trademark from MJ on down) didn't help endear her to...anyone. Not in the U.S. and not overseas either (she didn't promote her albums much outside the U.S. after 2001). Plus add this: overtly and tiring sexual lyrics, the interludes and her moans.

Or maybe she is just past her prime.

Come on y'all... Janet has had a ton of shits, and as stans like to remind us ''sold more records than Jesus''

There is a time when ANY artists stops making hits.

Stevie Wonder 60's-80's had huge non stop hits... once the 90's hit not so much.
Whitney Houston-80' & 90's huge hits, 00's nada.
Rolling Stones 60's-90's. Huge hits, huge albums, by the mid 90's not a drop of a hit.

Those were just a few examples... but the artists who are big at one time. Eventally stop having hits and selling big. It's that simple. No one is going to make number 1 hits for 50 years.

Timmy it went more like this,

Control 12 million

RN 12

Janet 18

VR&Al4U???

fluid said:

Timmy it went more like this,

Control 12 million

RN 12

Janet 18

VR&Al4U???

Prince, is this your new account?

[Edited 1/10/14 16:17pm]

No one wants to be in the Janet Jackson business anymore. There are younger, nastier freak shows on the block.

Timmy84 said:

lastdecember said:

thing is america has the attention span of about two to three months, her sales were effected initially with the product out, however, i gotta admit it, the constant "jackson thing" of going on tv and doing interviews about it doesnt help at all it keeps the story alive which is a JACKSON thing and we all know that.

Here is a breakdown of why she is slipping

10% of the issue may be the superbowl

20% of the issue is the product not being good

10% Beyonce Rihanna etc

60% HER AGE she is 45? or something like that

Yeah I should've worded it better, the Super Bowl didn't play a BIG hand in it. But a small portion can be "blamed" on it. But yeah her constant interviews trying to deny or make it that she was a victim (Jackson trademark from MJ on down) didn't help endear her to...anyone. Not in the U.S. and not overseas either (she didn't promote her albums much outside the U.S. after 2001). Plus add this: overtly and tiring sexual lyrics, the interludes and her moans.

and of course i left out BLOATED CD's, meaning stop filling the albums up with....Filler, she failed to get out of the 90's mindset, filling up cds with skits and bathroom breaks and moans and phone calls, this was something that she didnt start, i blame hip hop albums for this, BUT she and Prince did their fair share of them at least Prince but the 80 minute albums to bed.

lastdecember said:

Timmy84 said:

Control: 5 mill

RN1814: 6 mill

Janet: 7 mill

VR: 2 mill

AFY: 3 mill

DJ: 1 mill

2YO (two years after Super Bowl): 1 mill

Discipline (four years): 480K

----
I doubt it was just the result of the Super Bowl like I used to think. Her music wasn't really sellable. Plus promotion was messed up and Virgin (and Janet herself) didn't seem too interested since Janet was tired of doing music. It's obvious she is. Even Terry Lewis can testify to that that Janet was tired of doing music when they were working on Damita Jo so I doubt the Super Bowl played a hand in it.

thing is america has the attention span of about two to three months, her sales were effected initially with the product out, however, i gotta admit it, the constant "jackson thing" of going on tv and doing interviews about it doesnt help at all it keeps the story alive which is a JACKSON thing and we all know that.

Here is a breakdown of why she is slipping

10% of the issue may be the superbowl

20% of the issue is the product not being good

10% Beyonce Rihanna etc

60% HER AGE she is 45? or something like that

I don't think her boobs factor into why she's no longer popular. I think you can chalk it up to

mostly her age, as you do in the above. Pop music is a young person's game, and Janet Jackson

does not have a voice/vocal talent that'll allow her to go sing jazz or opera or even star on

Broadway, letting her extend her career. I also wonder, LD: do you think her choice of music

producer has an effect on her career? It's not like Jimmy Jam and Terry Lewis are popular either.

Anyways, she's married to a gazillionaire, so I bet she's hardly butt-hurt about not being popular.

Gunsnhalen said:

fluid said:

Timmy it went more like this,

Control 12 million

RN 12

Janet 18

VR&Al4U???

Prince, is this your new account?

[Edited 1/10/14 16:17pm]

No I just have a better memory than most people. Was Al4U like 4 million?

ANd BTW Ri and Byonce might not have to do with. J is still attractive to older guys and some young.

[Edited 1/10/14 17:09pm]

LittleBLUECorvette said:

Nipple gate

Yup. This! Lock the thread. Mods ur slippin'. As much as I don't want to admit it, its true

TeeeeHaaaaHoooo said:

No one wants to be in the Janet Jackson business anymore. There are younger, nastier freak shows on the block.

As much as right wing conservatives tried to make Nipplegate into Mt. Everest out of an anthill, the main reason Janet Jackson went downhill was because her later albums just weren't that good. She dropped notcieably more in sales than her contempoararies, but even Madonna and Mariah Carey were going downhill sales-wise during the 2000's, and the younger generation had their own idols in Beyonce, Britney Spears, Chrsitina Aguilera, Pink, Alicia Keys, Mya, Kelly Clarkson and later on Rihanna, Lady GaGa, Katy Perry, Taylor Swift, and now Miley Cyrus. In fact, Madge and Mimi are looked at by today's young music fans as their parent's music, and even other people are talking about "that new chick who sounds like Mariah" (Ariana Grande).