Let me add something:

1.) MC Hammer was/is not a sellout.

2.) Lil' Wayne is actually very intelligent and even attended the University of Houston for a brief moment.

3.) As much as he lobbied to "free the music" in the mid to late 90s, Prince released some of the worst albums of his career.

4.) Tupac Shakur was not a thug, a criminal, or hardcore. Anyone trained in ballerina does not have any ties to street culture.

5.) Even though Thriller sold in excess of 100 million albums, Michael Jackson's masterpiece is Off the Wall.

6.) The Victory Tour sucked. There was no harmony whatsoever between the brothers and Michael only did it as a favor to them.

7.) Little Richard is not the originator of rock and roll. The music he performed was being played in Houston, Texas years before he became associated with the culture.

8.) Before R Kelly was singing about "Black Panties," Lucille Bogan released "Shave Me Dry" in 1935. How's that for audio porn?

9.) Living Colour and Lenny Kravitz are the only black musicians to receive back-to-back Grammys in the hard rock category for their respective works.

10.) Rakim is the greatest rapper of all time.

11.) Sha-Rock deserves props for being the first female emcee to ever rock the mic.

12.) Joni Mitchell never lied.

thesoulbrother said:

Let me add something:

1.) MC Hammer was/is not a sellout.

2.) Lil' Wayne is actually very intelligent and even attended the University of Houston for a brief moment.

Is MC Hammer THE sellout then? I'm so confused how a fella who jacked classic tracks to make it big with a cartoon and just one hit song without a heavy sample isn't the ultimate sellout.

He went after the glove lol

Regarding Weezie, I know literally hundreds of complete idiots that have attended Universities. Remember, George Bush Jr. went to Yale. Hammer was more street than Weezie, this kid has been in a bubble since he was a pre-teen.

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jeidee said:

thesoulbrother said:

Let me add something:

1.) MC Hammer was/is not a sellout.

2.) Lil' Wayne is actually very intelligent and even attended the University of Houston for a brief moment.

Is MC Hammer THE sellout then? I'm so confused how a fella who jacked classic tracks to make it big with a cartoon and just one hit song without a heavy sample isn't the ultimate sellout.

He went after the glove lol

Regarding Weezie, I know literally hundreds of complete idiots that have attended Universities. Remember, George Bush Jr. went to Yale. Hammer was more street than Weezie, this kid has been in a bubble since he was a pre-teen.

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Fuck it. I was gonna respond but it's not worth the headache.

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Its just so confusing.... I agree Rakim is the greatest.

Hammer and Weezie though?... That shit is outlandish.

Gunsnhalen said:

1. George Michael is gay (Sorry Tinaz)

YEAH

2. If someone listens to certain artists you don't like it doesn't they're stupid, ignorant, ''need to wake up'', brainwashed etc. I know people who listen to everything from Nicki Minaj & Kesha... to Franz Liszt, Megadeth, Stevie Wonder, and Conway fucking Twitty.

I only despise those who like late-'80s dance/pop and certain '00s artists

3. All joking aside from the other thread... Rihanna is going to have more number 1 hits than Michael Jackson and Mariah Carey. And so is Katy Perry... that's just how it goes with their marketing. And when it happens, the apocalypse won't come, and Michael will not rise from the grave.

Michael is the forefather of these current artists so nobody should be upset, the student ultimately tops the master...

4. Chris Brown is the worst piece of human shit ever to create music besides no period needed till now.

YEAH, I'd give a shit if he died

5. Snoop Dogg Smells like weed and cream corn in real life. Scarletscandel can attest to this.

could be worse, then

6. Just cause you like heavy metal... doesn't mean you're a superior musician. Get off your own baby dick

METAL IS KING, METAL RULES

7. Little Richard, Chuck Berry, and Elvis were all great. It's 2014 clearly and Little Richard is older than Jesus. Stop with the king of rock n roll shit. Cause it was a mix of all of them you dig?

Chuck Berry is the King, LR the trobadour, Elvis the Emperor...

8. Just cause you listen to jazz doesn't mean you can't smile. Got damn! stop mean mugging in the jazz section...

JAZZ BORES ME TO TEARS, and I hate the fools who link Jazz to Classical European Music (WTF????????????)

9. Bringing numbers into things (Looking at you Janet, Madonna Mariah, Michael stans) doesn't mean an artist is great. Sorry love... it doesn't. When people talk Stevie Wonder it's about the fact he is blind and plays 1,000 instruments. And the fact he made classic albums! his fucking sales and awards are not brought into question.

When Bob Dylan or Bruce Springsteen are talked about. It's their writing! not the sales and awards that people talk about. So Janet and Mariah have 2,000 number 1 hits, 100 billboard awards, 23 vibe awards, and 20 kids meals from McDonald's. But is their music good? is their album good? why is it good? that's what matters, so quit bringing numbers into it you psycho stans.

"Huge sales" don't necessarily mean "great music"

Unfortunately, "great music" not always means "huge sales"

10. Playing instruments doesn't mean you're a good musician

Good is subjective, I prefer this: "playing instruments doesn't mean you're a songwriter"

11. Morrisey Is Not A GOD

Could give two shits about his music

12. R. Kelly is a nasty pedophile, and he needs to never wear those struggle braids again.
R.Kelly already killed R&B during the '90s...

The era of R&B bands is dead lol...Rock bands will live on for eternity, pop bands and country bands will as well. R&B bands are more or less extinct.

lazycrockett said:

13. Madonna is a talentless whore.

See some folks wish this was true, but if it was really the case she'd have faded away long ago... you can't think of one reason why she's been around for so long?

...and Ernie Isley will never be recognized for being a bad ass Rhythm and Lead guitarist AND for writing and arranging most of the 70's and 80's Isley Bros. hits!!

(TRUE)

Isley/Jasper/Isley was the Jimmy Jam and Terry Lewis, The Gamble & Huff, The Babyface & L.A. of The Isley Bros...and Ron just over shadowed them all with that voice!

[Edited 12/17/13 17:54pm]

G3000 said:

...and Ernie Isley will never be recognized for being a bad ass Rhythm and Lead guitarist AND for writing and arranging most of the 70's and 80's Isley Bros. hits!!

(TRUE)

Isley/Jasper/Isley was the Jimmy Jam and Terry Lewis, The Gamble & Huff, The Babyface & L.A. of The Isley Bros...and Ron just over shadowed them all with that voice!

[Edited 12/17/13 17:54pm]

It's true! ernie never gets his just dues. And once the ''Mr. Big'' era came in... he was literally just lost in the background.

Gunsnhalen said:

1. George Michael is gay (Sorry Tinaz)

2. If someone listens to certain artists you don't like it doesn't they're stupid, ignorant, ''need to wake up'', brainwashed etc. I know people who listen to everything from Nicki Minaj & Kesha... to Franz Liszt, Megadeth, Stevie Wonder, and Conway fucking Twitty.

3. All joking aside from the other thread... Rihanna is going to have more number 1 hits than Michael Jackson and Mariah Carey. And so is Katy Perry... that's just how it goes with their marketing. And when it happens, the apocalypse won't come, and Michael will not rise from the grave.

4. Chris Brown is the worst piece of human shit ever to create music besides no period needed till now.

5. Snoop Dogg Smells like weed and cream corn in real life. Scarletscandel can attest to this.

6. Just cause you like heavy metal... doesn't mean you're a superior musician. Get off your own baby dick

7. Little Richard, Chuck Berry, and Elvis were all great. It's 2014 clearly and Little Richard is older than Jesus. Stop with the king of rock n roll shit. Cause it was a mix of all of them you dig?

8. Just cause you listen to jazz doesn't mean you can't smile. Got damn! stop mean mugging in the jazz section...

9. Bringing numbers into things (Looking at you Janet, Madonna Mariah, Michael stans) doesn't mean an artist is great. Sorry love... it doesn't. When people talk Stevie Wonder it's about the fact he is blind and plays 1,000 instruments. And the fact he made classic albums! his fucking sales and awards are not brought into question.

When Bob Dylan or Bruce Springsteen are talked about. It's their writing! not the sales and awards that people talk about. So Janet and Mariah have 2,000 number 1 hits, 100 billboard awards, 23 vibe awards, and 20 kids meals from McDonald's. But is their music good? is their album good? why is it good? that's what matters, so quit bringing numbers into it you psycho stans.

10. Playing instruments doesn't mean you're a good musician

11. Morrisey Is Not A GOD

12. R. Kelly is a nasty pedophile, and he needs to never wear those struggle braids again.

I know this is a lot to take in... here's a hug and my condolences. Guns is hear for you.

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[Edited 12/15/13 18:37pm]

Pfffft....Minor obstacle to over come..

^Id say if you had good enough weed, anything is possible with GM.

Anyone know of a good weed salesman?

Rococo said:

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WTF is that ? Is it a church thing ? She looks like shes possessed. Either way

As far as the OP. You're wise beyond your years Mr Guns

JoeyC said:

Rococo said:

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WTF is that ? Is it a church thing ? She looks like shes possessed. Either way

As far as the OP. You're wise beyond your years Mr Guns

Mich love to you Joey

aardvark15 said:

Preach it Guns!!!

Where have you been??

Gunsnhalen said:

JoeyC said:

WTF is that ? Is it a church thing ? She looks like shes possessed. Either way

As far as the OP. You're wise beyond your years Mr Guns

Mich love to you Joey

Same here.

Gunsnhalen said:

thesoulbrother said:

Even though Thriller sold in excess of 100 million albums, Michael Jackson's masterpiece is Off the Wall.

I agree

Anyone who thinks Chris Brown is the worst human in music is woefully naive. There are at least twenty I could name right now who have behaved far worse than him, including the most adored artist on this forum who was a child molester (let's not even get into the morals of everyone who's turning a blind eye to that - it reflects so badly on so many).

Elvis is not in the same league as Chuck Berry. Buddy Holly and Little Richard were also better than him. Take the visual side out of it and we'd never have heard of him. His voice is very affected. Good looking though.

And lazycrockett, Madonna is of course shit, and she did sleep with men to advance her career, but don't call her a whore. It takes attention away from her real crime which is that she's a gimmick-dependent karaoke singer.

^^Ah, the arrogant, condescending, foolish, Mrknowitall rears his ugly head again. No one is turning a blind eye. We just looked through the bullshit and took those false accusations for what they were.

DaveT said:

lazycrockett said:

13. Madonna is a talentless whore.

See some folks wish this was true, but if it was really the case she'd have faded away long ago... you can't think of one reason why she's been around for so long?

preach.

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PatrickS77 said:

^^Ah, the arrogant, condescending, foolish, Mrknowitall rears his ugly head again. No one is turning a blind eye. We just looked through the bullshit and took those false accusations for what they were.

Please. The evidence against the man in your avatar is absolutely overwhelming at this point - , the five "special friends" who've accused him; his semen being found along with the semen of two unidentified males on his mattress; the alcohol, pornography and drugs he kept in his room where the boys were; the naked picture he kept of another "special friend"; the hush-money paid to Chandler and Frascia. On and on it goes.

But you are so defensive that you even lied about his anti-semitism last time I spoke to you. You weren't even embarrassed. Just flat-out lied about it. It's a good thing you have no self-awareness, otherwise you'd have a hard time sleeping.

xperience319 said:

DaveT said:

See some folks wish this was true, but if it was really the case she'd have faded away long ago... you can't think of one reason why she's been around for so long?

preach.

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she IS clever and attentive to current trends and as is always stated, a "shrewd businesswoman". and she surrounds herself with the "right" (or at least risky) people as it relates to stylists and producers. the summation is "manufactured staying power" but are these things an actual MUSICAL talent? No.

G3000 said:

...and Ernie Isley will never be recognized for being a bad ass Rhythm and Lead guitarist AND for writing and arranging most of the 70's and 80's Isley Bros. hits!!

(TRUE)

Isley/Jasper/Isley was the Jimmy Jam and Terry Lewis, The Gamble & Huff, The Babyface & L.A. of The Isley Bros...and Ron just over shadowed them all with that voice!

[Edited 12/17/13 17:54pm]

At least the Isley Bros are in the RR HOF

But another who fits this description would be Bernie Worrel of Parliament/Funkadelic...man kicked ass in numerous ways. To this day a lot of people still think it's Bootsy playing that fuzzy bassline on "Flashlight".

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datdude said:

xperience319 said:

preach.

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she IS clever and attentive to current trends and as is always stated, a "shrewd businesswoman". and she surrounds herself with the "right" (or at least risky) people as it relates to stylists and producers. the summation is "manufactured staying power" but are these things an actual MUSICAL talent? No.

I would say that is a "talent" in the music industry.

And all of those catchy 80s anthemus she has, you seriously, honestly think they were all just sent to her, lyrics and all and she just recorded the vocals?? Its not by "luck" that she is where she is. Its her ability to recognize a great pop song, write the lyrics and make it mainstream.

That is a talent. Deny it all you want, just because she is not talented in a "prince" sense, does not mean that she has no ability to create the perfect pop song. Thats her talent.

JoeyC said:

Rococo said:

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WTF is that ? Is it a church thing ? She looks like shes possessed. Either way

No, it's not a church thing. Them children gettin' their vogue on. That move right there is called the "death drop". This should only be attempted by a trained professional queen.

when i was nine, i had a feeling or rather i thought both Michael Jackson And Latoya Jackson were the same person.

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