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AM I the only one that thinks LORDE is... AM I the only one that thinks LORDE is a brilliant mktg play? I'm not saying that I don't like what I've heard, because you certainly can't avoid her. The publicity machine is in overkill and IMHO she should put some reign on that. I loved 'Royals' UNTIL it was shoved in my ears everywhere I went and now with the TV campaign - uhhhh.
"Let's call her LORDe (real name Ella bla bla), let's sell pure heroine and let's say she's only 16". Sounds like brilliant wrecka marketing.
Sure doesn't look 16 to me. latenightwithjimmyfallon.com/video/lorde-royals/n41420 … | |
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Def no marketing ploy. Had a chat to my friend who is her school teacher, last week. Def 16. She created the name. Smart, smart kid. Top of the class. The community is all shocked at what has happened since. Royals started out grass roots style here in NZ and it simply snowballed from being top request on independent stations here, then to Australia and then USA. I'm sure a lot of money has been put into marketing in the last two months, but that's only after the track had already become a people's favorite through indy radio. When the tune was number one here, there wasn't even a video. That's how much it caught people by surprise including the record label. Music, sweet music, I wish I could caress and...kiss, kiss... | |
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Glad to hear this nd33. Can't deny the talent, but I still say she doesn't look 16.
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Red said: Glad to hear this nd33. Can't deny the talent, but I still say she doesn't look 16.
Lets hope Donald Trump starts campaigning for the release of her birth certificate ASAP. Music, sweet music, I wish I could caress and...kiss, kiss... | |
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No marketing ploy, my friend... I got the album (in stores). It's real. | |
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I think it's going to end up as my most-played album of the year. I can't remember the last time that happened with a big Billboard smash like that for me.
One of the things I love most about it: there's a sense of mystery, in the music, the lyrics and even in her. So much nice to hear pop music where you have to do some work to fill in the blanks, even if you generally get what she's talking about. | |
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I do find it slightly amazing that a record company sees a 12 year old school talent show video and decides to sign a development deal based on it. Universal has definitely struck gold with her though. Pure Heroine captures that spirit and super confidence of being a know-it-all teen in such a smart way. I've been playing it nonstop - and skipping Royals because it's so played out but it works together as an album really well. I really hope she withdraws from interviews and media and focuses on writing and building up her catalogue and repertoire over the next couple of years but I also get the feeling she's so smart, she'll get bored and move on to something else. | |
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mynameisnotsusan said: I do find it slightly amazing that a record company sees a 12 year old school talent show video and decides to sign a development deal based on it. Universal has definitely struck gold with her though.
Pure Heroine captures that spirit and super confidence of being a know-it-all teen in such a smart way. I've been playing it nonstop - and skipping Royals because it's so played out but it works together as an album really well. I really hope she withdraws from interviews and media and focuses on writing and building up her catalogue and repertoire over the next couple of years but I also get the feeling she's so smart, she'll get bored and move on to something else. I got the same impression from talking with her teacher, it's likely she might shift to another artistic endeavor. She certainly has the freedom to do what she likes, now that she's set, financially. Re: the development deal. Sounds like Universals involvement was fairly passive up until Royals. They basically linked her up with different producers and stayed out the way, it seems, until she clicked with the producer of the album, Joel Little (who I'd heard of from being in a local pop/punk band - quite a change in style!). Kudos to Universal New Zealand for biding their time, letting her develop her songwriting at her own pace and letting the golden collaboration come about organically. [Edited 10/17/13 7:24am] Music, sweet music, I wish I could caress and...kiss, kiss... | |
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I thought the album was a bunch of computer generated shit and kind of disgusting, in an exploitative way. This young innocent sounding girl fantasizing about fame and money throughout the experience with cheap sounding "beats" and repetitive, corny lyrics. Typical 2010s famewhore garbage for aging gay men and clueless young women, both demographics hopelessly shallow full of disposable income.
I got an invitation to some big gay circuit party thing that she was performing at here in NYC... I thought "wow this girl is 16, a few years ago she was likely coloring in books and combing doll hair and now she is performing songs about her little girl fantasies at a circuit party".
I know "Royals" is meant to be a 'fantasy' to all these deep thinkers that listen to Clear Channel but the hit song literally advertises how many products?
This chick is gonna fade like a sand castle.
mynameisnotsusan said: I also get the feeling she's so smart, she'll get bored and move on to something else.
Hopefully that something else will be something productive like a real career.
nd33 said: She certainly has the freedom to do what she likes, now that she's set, financially.
This. Yeah all one hit wonders get paid enough to live forever on caviar, Fiji water, and unicorn farts. [Edited 10/17/13 10:27am] | |
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I have to be honest, if they had put her out at 12, I wouldn't have given it a listen at all. | |
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Timmy84 said:
I have to be honest, if they had put her out at 12, I wouldn't have given it a listen at all. Apparently they wanted her to do a 'soul covers' album. Thankfully she resisted. | |
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If you pay attention to the lyrics, she'scritiquing shallow, fame-obsessed culture, and pointing out how removed it is from everyday living.
Also - way to stereotype aging gay men and then admit you went to a circuit party | |
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I find it odd that she is criticizing fame while trying to obtain it. She seems to say that pop culture is fantasy and that we need a real aternative. But doesn't she realize she is a fantasy no different than a Rhianna or a Katy Perry. If you want to interject reality into culture don't become a pop star. She should be looking at a band like Pussy Riot for inspiration. Anyway, people seem more impressed with her lyrics than the music or her singing. Maybe she has a better future as a writer or poet. | |
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Her songs are ok i guess, i don't find them intensely annoying or anything, but just kinda too minimal and nothing special at all, with very little melody, i'm a little confused how she got to number 1.... We're here, might as well get into it. | |
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Maybe she is, maybe she isn't. All I know is that I can't fuck with a singer born in 1996. That was damn near yesterday. | |
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MendesCity said:
If you pay attention to the lyrics, she'scritiquing shallow, fame-obsessed culture, and pointing out how removed it is from everyday living.
Also - way to stereotype aging gay men and then admit you went to a circuit party I would just love to know what expensive sounding beats the deep straight people are listening to sound like. Maybe it's Chers new album? | |
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I find it odd that she is criticizing fame while trying to obtain it. She seems to say that pop culture is fantasy and that we need a real aternative. But doesn't she realize she is a fantasy no different than a Rhianna or a Katy Perry. If you want to interject reality into culture don't become a pop star. She should be looking at a band like Pussy Riot for inspiration. Anyway, people seem more impressed with her lyrics than the music or her singing. Maybe she has a better future as a writer or poet. I wouldn't be so fast to assume that fame is her goal. From what she says in her interviews, she loves writing and creating music. Her whole album was created entirely by her and a little known producer and the two of them simply "made music that WE liked". Don't become a pop star? Her music started out on the alternative student radio stations as the beginning of this year. Is it her fault that it became popular? She certainly wasn't expecting to be number one in the USA. I suggest reading and watching some interviews before making such assumptions. I think you'd change your opinion. Music, sweet music, I wish I could caress and...kiss, kiss... | |
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She signed to Universal not exactly an independent label. If fame isn't her goal, then dont promote the album, dont go on talk shows, and dont criticize other acts. Her whole image is I hate the game, but here she is playing the game. She's becoming everything she is against. Young girls will look up to and fantasize about being her in the same way they do for Rhianna, Taylor Swift, Lady Gaga, and Katy Perry. I just cant stand the "I'm above all this" attitude even though she is gaining all the benefits. Either she is incredibly young and naive or a brilliiant marketing strategist. If Lorde really wants girls not to fall for this fantasy image then tell them to go read Malala Yousafzai's book I Am Malala. Now there is a real, thoughful, and brave 16 year old you can admire. [Edited 10/20/13 11:16am] | |
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Universal not an indy label indeed, but it was a development deal, which basically meant "we want dibs on you in case you turn out good". There was no money piled into recording (hence they produced/recorded/mixed it at Joels modest home studio). There was no marketing strategy when her song hit number one on the student radio station here. Just a whole bunch of people who liked it. She even was allowed to get her way and release her EP with Royals on it for free at the start of the year (against the will of the label). She just wanted people to hear her music.
RE: the fame thing. She tried for as long as possible to not release any photos of herself and to let her music do the talking. She managed to do this and still get to number one in New Zealand and Australia. There were 0 press shots released officially and on her website was simply a drawing that a friend did of her likeness. By the time her music was climbing up the US charts, it became impossible to avoid and I'd say the label pushed her into it.
New Zealand is so far away from the USA in culture, I think it's hard for us to comprehend that a pop star can come up to this kind of quick success without being calculated from top to bottom by old men in suits.
Why shouldn't she criticise other pop acts lyrics? I think it's well over due. The only people criticising are Sinead O'Connor and Madonna. They're not exactly reaching the youth with their message. Ya can't blame someone for being honest!
BTW, have you noticed the way she dresses? Music, sweet music, I wish I could caress and...kiss, kiss... | |
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Well, I read that she met with Dr Luke, the guy who produced hits for Nickii Minaj, Katy Perry, and Rhianna. She also wants to work with Rhianna. If the girl wants to be a big pop star then own up to it. She comes across as the new Avril Lavigne, the anti-pop pop star. All of it is faked and calculated as Miley Cyrus, but at least Miley admits its all fake. If Lorde truly believes what she is saying about wealth and fame, then she is about to be lured, used, and spit out by the music industry. If this whole image is a marketing ploy on her part, then more power to her. Make that money and get that fame.
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As far as I know, she met with Dr Luke because she's interested in writing for other pop stars. She wants to WRITE for Rihanna. That could be a big improvement on the lyric front for those artists, you know the ones that actually are pawns and have 183 writers/producers on each album.
Really, I think you should check out some interviews. She's just a down to earth kiwi teen that fame has been thrust upon. She wants to be an artist and primarily a songwriter. Music, sweet music, I wish I could caress and...kiss, kiss... | |
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Theres an interesting brief interview with MTV on the link below. http://www.coupdemainmaga...rate-facts Also on this link someone has gone through her twitter feed just to show how far she has come in a year - it's insane what has happened to this girl in such a short amount of time! http://www.republicrecord...last-year/ | |
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Great, insightful article!
http://www.fasterlouder.com.au/headliners/lorde/
IN pop music, you learn how to wait around. Venues, airports, hotels. Waiting, waiting, waiting. And photo shoots. In mid-July Ella Yelich-O’Connor, now far better known as Lorde, is wrapped in a black dressing gown while a stylist separates her vast cloud of chestnut curls – “That pet on top of her head,” her mother calls it – into semi-manageable clumps. She teases, divides and piles, attacking it with curling irons and straighteners. She always seemed different LATE one night, years ago, her mother Sonja was woken by a light going on in the room Ella shared with her sister Jerry. She shook her husband awake. “Oh my God, Vic! Someone’s just gone into the kids’ room!” And, that same year, winner of Belmont Idol, her intermediate school talent show where the chain of events leading to ‘Royals’ truly began. She sang Duffy’s ‘Warwick Avenue’ in the school hall, while her friend Louis McDonald — now in a folk-pop band named Five Mile Town — played guitar. Ian McDonald knew he had something special, and had ambitions for his son, then 14. He’d read an interview in the New Zealand Herald with A&R Scott Maclachlan from Universal Music Group, the biggest label in the world, who said he was looking for new artists. Maclachlan was an Englishman who had recently emigrated here with his New Zealand-born wife. He’d had some big successes in the UK, signing artists like Groove Armada and Dragonette. He met with Universal New Zealand’s MD Adam Holt, who told him frankly that there wasn’t really room for an A&R in such a small market. But the pair got on well, and agreed to try and find a role for Maclachlan with business development work to supplement the A&R. "I’m a crazy perfectionist, so it’s important to me that everything I hand in has to be the absolute best thing I can hand in." “Taylor Swift is so flawless, and so unattainable, and I don’t think it’s breeding anything good in young girls.” SONJA Yelich and her husband Vic have very particular ideas about parenting. Sonja’s father was a first-generation Serbian immigrant – “very hardworking, seven-days-a-week hardworking,” while her mother “struggled, emotionally and mentally”, she says, “so I pretty much did what I wanted to do”. When Maclachlan first watched that Belmont Idol performance, he thought he’d find her a song and have her sing it – “that classic A&R equation”. Failing that, she could knock out a set of ’60s-styled covers. He met Ella and Sonja at a cafe and later gave them a CD to serve as a reference. It ended up in a dumpster. “I was just so not interested,” says Ella. This 12-year-old wasn’t content to sing covers. She wanted to write songs. EVEN in a culture fixated on youth, 16 remains incredibly young. Over the past few years you can count the number of singers who’ve achieved true fame at that age on one hand. Justin Bieber. Chris Brown. Miley Cyrus. Taylor Swift. “People come to dinner with my family for the first time and they’re like, ‘Oh god. What have I done to myself?’” “You asked me a while ago who my dream producer would be, and I think these days I’m leaning toward Diplo.” Two parental imperatives are at war in Ella’s success: the desire to let your child’s talent out versus the desire to protect them. Music, sweet music, I wish I could caress and...kiss, kiss... | |
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TOWARD the end of 2011, still seeking the right writing partner, Maclachlan spoke with Ashley Page, also a music manager, about some commercial work for another of his artists. That didn’t work out, but Ella’s name and dilemma came up. Page suggested she meet with Joel Little, one of his artists. With a few clicks, she became Lorde ON November 21 of last year, two weeks after she had turned 16, Sonja watched her daughter tapping away at her laptop in the lounge. It was exam leave, but Ella’s mind was elsewhere. The Love Club EP had been finished for months, and she and Maclachlan had decided to release it for free online, emulating The Weeknd, an artist they both admired. It’s clear Ella and Little have a great working relationship. Just before the album went for mastering, I went to Little’s Golden Age studio to watch the pair fine tune a few songs before delivering the album for mastering. It’s located in a pretty art deco building in an otherwise characterless industrial section of Auckland, with the letters M U S I C emblazoned across the corner. To gain entry you walk through an office which houses much of New Zealand’s music management talent – all of whom have had to watch Ella come and go, knowing they somehow missed out on the biggest management prize in New Zealand music history. One August afternoon I sat in on a meeting between Maclachlan, his assistant Amy Goldsmith and Ella, while they ran through the latest in the incessant stream of offers, opportunities and decisions which make up the day-to-day of a pop star in waiting. Individually, each one might be of little consequence, which is why most artists leave them to management. But cumulatively they dictate where, when and with whom they appear and ultimately end up shaping the way an artist is perceived. Maclachlan will advocate for a certain position, but Ella, self-confessed perfectionist, can’t stand to let someone else make decisions for her. So most days, wherever she might be, a quickfire meeting will happen, wherever she happens to be. ELLA is frequently compared to Del Rey, though it infuriates her. Both are white women making pop music soaked in the rhythm and attitude of hip-hop. But Del Rey has a much more conventional narrative — she had an image makeover prior to her breakout Born To Die album, and co-writes her songs with some of the biggest producers and writers in the industry. She’s a strange person to spend time with AT times she can just disappear. During a studio session to playback her debut album Pure Heroine one last time before mastering, she closed her eyes, lay down and let the sound wash over her for long periods of time. More often, she’s looking you dead in the eye, waiting intently for a reaction to what she’s saying or scrutinising your every word. If you step out of line or display muddled thinking, she’ll pounce. When I forgot myself and issued an opinion on a production effect at the studio, she turned and said “So you’re Rick Rubin now?” quick as a cat. It’s pretty disconcerting being reprimanded by a teenager when you’re in your 30s. In mid-July, with ‘Royals’ just beginning its run in the US, there was already an aura around Lorde far stronger than that of any New Zealand artist in recent memory. She’d had two number one singles in a matter of months, and her debut album was nearly complete. ON a Sunday night in late August, I join the Yelich-O’Connors for dinner, at the invitation of Sonja, who wants me to meet the family. The volume and activity level in the house is near-overwhelming. I perch next to Ella at a small island benchtop, while Vic preps potatoes and eggplant and Sonja fine-tunes a pair of salads. Ella’s wearing fluorescent orange trackpants and a grey marl sweatshirt and is uncharacteristically subdued. A FEW weeks later she sits backstage in a vast black Miss Crabb dress, perched on her boyfriend’s knee and playing Candy Crush on her iPhone. A media launch gig starts in a few minutes. Her eyes are glazed, a half-smile plays on her face, and she seems barely aware of her surroundings — it’s the “trance-like state” her mother has observed in her before performances. Soon she stands, picks out some jewellery, and disappears into a darkened anteroom, walking in circles and singing to herself. The nerves are always there, buzzing at a low level for all involved. Because, for all her successes, Lorde is a work in progress – and the patchy media showcase proves it. That’s part of her charm, why she feels different to other more micro-managed singers. It’s also partly her and her whole team’s inexperience. While Maclachlan and Universal New Zealand have many years in the industry, none has worked at anything on this scale, attracting this level of scrutiny, with stakes this high. Maclachlan’s boss, Adam Holt, isn’t worried about that, principally because his branch of the company retains ownership of the project overall. They funded it alone. Unusually, ‘Royals’ was produced without help from New Zealand on Air. They’re a cultural funding agency who have had their name on almost every music video to come out of this country, and many of the albums. When the song started blowing up, NZ on Air staff beseeched Universal to allow them to put it on one of their “Kiwi Hit Disc” radio samplers, only to be met with polite but firm refusals. NZ on Air trumpeted its success in reports to the Broadcasting Minister anyway. Unsurprisingly, her mind was elsewhere. On the tour, the next single, the forthcoming album. And on songs yet unwritten. That’s what excites her and her team most of all. And with good reason. For all she’s achieved, she’s has barely scratched the surface of her voice’s emotional range, and worked with only one producer. Her lyrics, already among the best in contemporary pop, will surely improve.
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I remember hearing Royals quite a while ago on one of those in-between stations on my radio -- probbaly a college station or something. I thought "hey, now this is cool". Well, cut to several months later and the song is ruined for me. I think I heard it about 10 times a day. . She has a few more songs on the radio, but they're not really all that different from Royals. I don't see her having much staying power in music.
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