midnightmover said:

SeventeenDayze said:

Wow, SMH! I didn't know he was THAT bad, LOL. So, I guess TTD's allegations probably have some truth to it. I guess it speaks volumes to just how cutthroat the music business really is. One thing that doesn't make sense to me is that TTD was never (from what I remember) promoted as the 'next' Michael, not the way someone like say El Debarge was. I thought I heard a while back that MJ tried to sabtoage El Debarge's career as well. I have no idea if that's true or not.

Maybe TTD's career (specifically his fame in the US) exemplifies the ugly side of the music business. He had talent but it was basically useless because on the business side of things, he didn't really have a solid leg to stand on. I don't know what would have made MJ feel so threatened by TTD in the first place since he was well established in his career and had stadiums filled for two years straight on the Bad tour......

I think Terence's big problem was that he came out as a fairly straightforward (but brilliant) pop/soul artist, but almost completely changed genre afterwards. His music was never so easy to categorize again. It also became "whiter" and more retro which I think confused people. The business stuff may have been a factor too, but like I said I'd need to hear more specifics to really form a view.

As for MJ, he was always competitive. Even in his final months preparing for his London shows, the tour directors revealed he still felt an intense rivalry with Prince. You'd have thought he would've forgotten all that by then, but no; he even asked for them to book 31 shows at first so it would be exactly 10 more shows than the 21 Prince did at the same venue. It may also have been a joke to himself. Prince's album at the time was called 3121.

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That's interesting because I remember watching something a few years ago and it was speculated that MJ was getting plastic surgery specifically to look like Prince because he felt threatened by Prince's looks. I don't recall TTD being a direct threat to Prince at all, so it seems like perhaps the rivalry was more of a threat to MJ (be it real or imagined) than it ever was for Prince.

SeventeenDayze said:

midnightmover said:

I think Terence's big problem was that he came out as a fairly straightforward (but brilliant) pop/soul artist, but almost completely changed genre afterwards. His music was never so easy to categorize again. It also became "whiter" and more retro which I think confused people. The business stuff may have been a factor too, but like I said I'd need to hear more specifics to really form a view.

As for MJ, he was always competitive. Even in his final months preparing for his London shows, the tour directors revealed he still felt an intense rivalry with Prince. You'd have thought he would've forgotten all that by then, but no; he even asked for them to book 31 shows at first so it would be exactly 10 more shows than the 21 Prince did at the same venue. It may also have been a joke to himself. Prince's album at the time was called 3121.

[Edited 10/14/13 17:34pm]

That's interesting because I remember watching something a few years ago and it was speculated that MJ was getting plastic surgery specifically to look like Prince because he felt threatened by Prince's looks. I don't recall TTD being a direct threat to Prince at all, so it seems like perhaps the rivalry was more of a threat to MJ (be it real or imagined) than it ever was for Prince.

Yes, Prince and TTD actually became friends. Prince sang a portion of Wishing Well a few times on the Lovesexy tour. When he met Terence he told him he was a poet. He was very supportive. That's the way it should be if two artists respect each other. Unfortunately MJ seems to have had a different attitude.

SeventeenDayze said:

midnightmover said:

I think Terence's big problem was that he came out as a fairly straightforward (but brilliant) pop/soul artist, but almost completely changed genre afterwards. His music was never so easy to categorize again. It also became "whiter" and more retro which I think confused people. The business stuff may have been a factor too, but like I said I'd need to hear more specifics to really form a view.

As for MJ, he was always competitive. Even in his final months preparing for his London shows, the tour directors revealed he still felt an intense rivalry with Prince. You'd have thought he would've forgotten all that by then, but no; he even asked for them to book 31 shows at first so it would be exactly 10 more shows than the 21 Prince did at the same venue. It may also have been a joke to himself. Prince's album at the time was called 3121.

[Edited 10/14/13 17:34pm]

That's interesting because I remember watching something a few years ago and it was speculated that MJ was getting plastic surgery specifically to look like Prince because he felt threatened by Prince's looks. I don't recall TTD being a direct threat to Prince at all, so it seems like perhaps the rivalry was more of a threat to MJ (be it real or imagined) than it ever was for Prince.

Are we talking about the 80's?? LOL. NOBODY was a threat to MJ, least of all Terence. MJ was in the galaxy, worldwide ALL BY HIMSELF. Get outta the denial.

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JoeBala said:

Maze said:

please use the MJ sticky

lol I'm surprised that didn't happen. The world does not revolve MJ.

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deebee said:

I agree Symphony or Damn could've been much bigger, though. Don't know what went wrong there. Maybe his habit of broadcasting live from a space station orbiting his own ego in interviews.

I always thought he was great entertainment in interviews back then. I could never quite work out whether he was 'performing', ie. acting up to an image (as Prince likes to be 'enigmatic' in interviews), or whether he genuinely believed he was the second coming of the Beatles/ Stevie Wonder/ Sam Cooke/ James Brown all rolled into one hyper-genius musical entity.

As he was a boxer before he went into music, I wonder if T didn't take a leaf out of Mohammed Ali's book in the boasting/ braggadocio thang, partly to court notoriety/ controversy and partly as a personal motivation system.

And it's always good to see someone who knows their own worth in this world. He thought Hardline was the most important album since Sgt Pepper, so why not tell the world?