But it's so obvious and old. I mean didn't Madonna do this like I don't know, 30 years ago! But I guess if we HAVE to give her props for getting people talking then kudos Miley. But it's an ersatz victory. Both image and content wise, she's doing nothing grounbreaking, no matter how catchy and now she can be:

Am I surprised Miley's getting called out? Nope, not at all. She's a poser. None of this is organic. This girl is a wannabe, and a try hard. She is not about that life. There was a time when she admitted that she never heard a Jay Z song. Now she's twerking, has a grill, and everything is yo this, and homie that. Sit down Hannah Montana.

She looks gross constantly trying to show that non existent ass of hers. It's really not sexy, and she can't dance either.

Wow! One should quit while ahead. While I agreed with O'connor's earlier post and feel she has a point, to threaten legal action over some words on the internet of a stupid ignorant little girl is just pathetic. Also to demand an apology, because otherwise you will send your lawyers... how honest would that apology be?

lrn36 said:

Yeah, but Prince early in his career wore bikini briefs and thigh high stockings while singing a song about having sex with his sister. Very few artists have come close to wilding out like that. It's get a pass because Prince is truly a great artist and Miley isn't.

I do agree that she is most likely trying to separate herself from Hannah Montana. Anything within the range of decent and normal would just draw comparisons to her tv persona.

Timmy84 said:

I don't know if that's really a decent comparison. Comparing what Miley did with Prince really doesn't work. He wasn't doing a lame lap dance on someone. Plus it's one event in Prince's career where he appeared to be trying too hard. That said, Miley's doing what she's doing so people won't have to keep reminding her, "didn't you use to be Hannah Montana?"

I don't know--Miley and Robin Thicke is difficult to erase from my memory, but I will go to my grave with flashbacks from Prince and Tony M.

I really don't get the outrage or the interest. The MTV performance was lame, it was stupid, it was silly--and was mostly intended to be. I don't understand why currently popular figures are being asked about it, and I don't know why Sinead has voluntarily gotten herself involved (inserting herself into a controversy that isn't worthy of her attention--unless she just wants some attention herself) or why so many people seem to think there's something unique or big-time socially relevant about Miley's actions. Sinead regrets choices she made, and lots of performers do. I'm guessing one of her regrets is the video for and maybe the song "I Want Your Hands on Me." It's not quite at Miley's level, but I'm sure Sinead is uncomfortable with it now. But all the "I can't believe any female would do this to other females at this time in history" foolishness--seriously, Sinead? I mean, really? Self-righteous much? You made mistakes, Sinead. Other performers have made mistakes. Miley's probably gonna think she's made mistakes (well, she already does think that, but someday she might think what she's doing NOW was a mistake). Maybe she won't. But the state of women or society at large is impacted in no way at all by Miley's, or by Sinead's.

By Hillary Busis on Oct 5, 2013 at 6:46PM @hillibusterr

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Sinead O'Connor pens open letter to Miley Cyrus: 'Don't let the music business make a prostitute of you'

Sinead O'Connor writes to Miley Cyrus again: 'It is not acceptable to mock any person for having suffered'

Earlier this week, Irish songstress Sinead O’Connor made headlines with a series of scathing open letters to Miley Cyrus — which culminated in a threat to take legal action. Shortly after writing that third letter, O’Connor set upon two more targets: Simon Cowell and Louis Walsh, Cowell’s fellow judge on the UK version of The X Factor.

“I feel sorry for the murder of music and rock ‘n’ roll, which has happened because of the industry,” O’Connor said Friday on Ireland’s The Late Late Show. ”Because of Simon Cowell, Louis Walsh — they’ve murdered music. I stand to say it on behalf of every musician in the world and they’ll agree with me.”

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“The industry has taken over so much,” O’Connor continued — “the money-making side of it, the sexualizing of extremely young people making records, and all the worship with money and bling and diamonds, all the Simon Cowell, Louis Walsh — it all amounts to the murder of music and that’s what concerns me.”

During her interview, O’Connor also addressed her ongoing feud with Cyrus, taking pains to say that she likes the young star’s actual music: “I’m not dismissing the records, they are great records. Miley’s records are great records. What I feel is that the industry of music does exploit people who are possibly a little too young to know what they are doing. I’m asking whether it’s appropriate for 20-year-old women to lick sledgehammers for videos in songs which have no lyrical reference to any such thing in them. It’s an exploitation of someone too young to understand the dangers.”

Perhaps Miley will have an answer for Sinead when she hosts Saturday Night Live tonight.

What ever meds shes on, she needs to keep them cause her clarity is spot on.

I agree. It's like she finally discovered that people talk sh!t on social media 24/7. At least she has something to say. Forever controversial, people may think it's none of her business and she should keep her thoughts to herself, but her targets are ALWAYS indefensible (The Pope, Miley Cyrus, Simon Cowell). Even though Cyrus is below anyones ire IMO.

Oh, goodness. Sinead, I'm gonna have to go listen to a whole bunch of your music to remember why I even care at all what you've got to say--because if I didn't already love so much of it, I'd write you off completely because of this foolishness. These are not significant or even interesting observations--they're boring, trite, obvious... and nothing new or about the new state of the industry. Why are you guys acting like this matters? She's jumping on the well-established soapboxes of "boo Miley Cyrus!" and "boo Simon Cowell!" and you're acting like it's important.

Miley Cyrus and Simon Cowell are "indefensible"? and worth her time? In comparison to her stances against the Church's abusive history--you think these are comparable? Really? Look, I was brought to tears by the whole SNL performance of "War" and the picture-ripping--and I've gotten angry every time (and there's been many" that I've seen them run the dress-rehearsal footage instead when she didn't rip it). It was powerful, and it meant something, and it still does. That was brave. Going out on that Bob Dylan salute stage shortly afterward--brave. Coming forward with her bipolarity--brave. Much of what she's done since--brave.

Her body of music--brave and beautiful.

These tweets and open-letters, though--including the stupid threat about suing and the implication that Miley's gonna get in trouble with advocacy groups or mental-health activists--just plain ridiculous. They are not worthy of her, and I wish she'd stop. I want people to know her for what she's done that really matters. Any idiot with a twitter account can slag Miley and Simon.

EddieC said:

Oh, goodness. Sinead, I'm gonna have to go listen to a whole bunch of your music to remember why I even care at all what you've got to say--because if I didn't already love so much of it, I'd write you off completely because of this foolishness. These are not significant or even interesting observations--they're boring, trite, obvious... and nothing new or about the new state of the industry. Why are you guys acting like this matters? She's jumping on the well-established soapboxes of "boo Miley Cyrus!" and "boo Simon Cowell!" and you're acting like it's important.

Miley Cyrus and Simon Cowell are "indefensible"? and worth her time? In comparison to her stances against the Church's abusive history--you think these are comparable? Really? Look, I was brought to tears by the whole SNL performance of "War" and the picture-ripping--and I've gotten angry every time (and there's been many" that I've seen them run the dress-rehearsal footage instead when she didn't rip it). It was powerful, and it meant something, and it still does. That was brave. Going out on that Bob Dylan salute stage shortly afterward--brave. Coming forward with her bipolarity--brave. Much of what she's done since--brave.

Her body of music--brave and beautiful.

These tweets and open-letters, though--including the stupid threat about suing and the implication that Miley's gonna get in trouble with advocacy groups or mental-health activists--just plain ridiculous. They are not worthy of her, and I wish she'd stop. I want people to know her for what she's done that really matters. Any idiot with a twitter account can slag Miley and Simon.

I'm not equating Cowell and Cyrus to the Church. My point is that Cowell and Cyrus are worthy of criticism (even though they have their fans). I did say that Cyrus is below anyone's ire, but you're right, artistry speaks better than vitriol. Her best material gave us more poignant statements about the state of, well, anything more then an open letter ever could.

Time to hijack this thread:

In a 1992 Rolling Stone interview, Sinead said the young woman who pressed rape charges against Mike Tyson, "that woman who is suing him is a bitch. I don't care if he raped her; she used him. She's a disgrace to women as far as I'm concerned".

• And now she has written a 4th open letter to Miley Cyrus. Did anyone mention that Sinead's American Kindness Tour starts in November? So who is conning who?

It's the feud that can't stop and won't stop.

Sinead O'Connor has now penned a fourth open letter to Miley Cyrus, demanding an apology from the provocative pop star.

Starting "Dear Miley," the rambling 1,800-word letter from the 46-year-old Irish singer, posted to herFacebook and website, tackles the stigma of mental health, suicide and how her correspondence with Miley affected her reputation:

On Miley calling Sinead "crazy" on the Todayshow:

"I would very much like you please to apologise to myself and Amanda Bynes for having perpetuated abuse of both of us on the grounds that Amanda has had 'mental health issues' and that I experienced suicidal compulsion and was open about seeking help in order to save my life."

She also asks for an apology to "all sufferers of mental health difficulties and all those who have had experience of suicidal feelings or who had been affected by suicide."

On her 2-year-old tweets:

"Also I would appreciate you stating publicly that the tweets of mine you posted (wherein I sought a psychiatrist from outside Ireland so as to save my life) were in fact two years old and do not reflect my current medical condition. This is because it is extremely hard to get employment when people think one is in mid-breakdown."

On the backlash she's received from writing the open letters:

"No person, myself included, should wake to the types of e mails and communications I have had for the last few days urging that I should kill myself, nor to the type of 'net abuse' I have had to endure as a result of what you did."

Her take on the "feud":

"I have no interest in the 'feud' which media want. There is no 'feud' as far as I am concerned. What there is however.. Is a lot of very serious harm caused to myself and my children and probably to Amanda, and DEFINATELY to silent sufferers of your own age who may look up to you."

On my way to see the Janis Joplin show, there were teens waiting on line to see Miley at Planet Hollywood. She was doing a meet and greet.

She's a very sensitive person, but also, her mental state is probably still fragile since there's no cure for bipolar disorder. Someone should advise her that there are mean people on the internet and that the more you interact with them the meaner they become. They might also want to ask her if she were born yesterday.

lrn36 said:

Man, we can make comparisons all day. Prince was 21 or 22 running around in bikini briefs singing songs about incest. Was he just a child exploited by the major labels? Or is it different for male artists?

What Miley is doing is playing off the very fear you express. A young woman expressing her unfettered sexuality to the world no matter how sloppy or vulgar. If she played it say and did a tame, sexy performance that everyone expects from female performers none would be talking about her weeks later. It like the Sopranos ending with black screen. It frustrated everyone, but people are still talking about years later. Now look at the Breaking Bad finale, the show gave everyone the ending they wanted and no one will be talking about 2 years from now.

She trolled everyone and even told everyone she is trolling, but people so desperately want to hold onto this narrative of the exploited child or spoiled brat. Its almost Kaufmanesque. She held a mirror up to American and all it saw was a window. She exposed the conservative, patriarchal streak in liberals and feminists including Sinead Oconnor.

Like I said, I dont care for as a music artist, but as a clever prankster she really impressed me.

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lrn36 said:

MonsterZeroTwo said:

lrn36 said:

Man, we can make comparisons all day. Prince was 21 or 22 running around in bikini briefs singing songs about incest. Was he just a child exploited by the major labels? Or is it different for male artists?

What Miley is doing is playing off the very fear you express. A young woman expressing her unfettered sexuality to the world no matter how sloppy or vulgar. If she played it say and did a tame, sexy performance that everyone expects from female performers none would be talking about her weeks later. It like the Sopranos ending with black screen. It frustrated everyone, but people are still talking about years later. Now look at the Breaking Bad finale, the show gave everyone the ending they wanted and no one will be talking about 2 years from now.

She trolled everyone and even told everyone she is trolling, but people so desperately want to hold onto this narrative of the exploited child or spoiled brat. Its almost Kaufmanesque. She held a mirror up to American and all it saw was a window. She exposed the conservative, patriarchal streak in liberals and feminists including Sinead Oconnor.

Like I said, I dont care for as a music artist, but as a clever prankster she really impressed me.

[Edited 10/11/13 19:15pm]

No, Im not saying its right for a man to be doing any of that either. What Prince did wasnt an act or a gimmick though, even though he did look like a complete jackass. It was who he was. He loved God and he loved pussy. He stayed true to who he was, and got booed offstage for it. In my opinion, it wasnt until the 90s he started to go astray, making rap songs/videos when he himself expressed he didnt like that style of music. But for what its worth, great music came out of it. "Darling Nikki", "Little Red Corvette", "Kiss", as vulgar as any of those songs may be, are still played on radio to this day. My problem is that Miley Cyrus and many so-called artists from this generation are posers and we are rewarding them for it, for their obnoxious behavior, crappy music, and rehearsed stage antics. Do you really think anyone will remember any of Miley Cyrus' or Justin Beiber's songs in 20 years or even give a shit who they were? I guess put that way, yeah, these kids should go for it and live it up while they can 'cause in a few years itll all be gone. My point is though, take away all the writers, producers, studio musicians, and these guys dont have anything. I dont think its fair we live in a society that rewards the undeserving, the spoiled, the untalented, the obnoxious. Thats all.

Ok. I hear you. Maybe you can take comfort in knowing that next year there will be another bad singer to irritate the hell out of everyone. The ball keeps rolling.