the death of vinyl aside...why does it seem like the floor just collapsed on this market? i would think people still go to clubs or just enjoy an extended version of their favorite songs. even blurred lines is just getting regular album version treatment....granted i'm hardly in the club much anymore, but you cant even buy them anymore

what gives?

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This is what stopped me from buying singles.

What is the point if u get what is already of the album?

Maybe the songs already sound like a remix. It could be that many people today have a short attention span and don't want to listen to long songs. There's a local record store that still sell maxi singles, but they're mostly techno songs and underground dance groups. The remixes today tend to be house and techno, which all sound alike to me. Are there still popular remixers like the ones in the past like Arthur Baker, Masters At Work, Tom Moulton, or Shep Pettibone today?

Graycap23 said:

This is what stopped me from buying singles.

What is the point if u get what is already of the album?

Not everyone bought albums though. Some people only bought 45s, and others bought maxi singles with remixes. Some acts like The Beatles and Johnnie Taylor would release non-album singles and many acts had B-sides. In the 1980's there are a lot of cases where the version played on the radio and on a 45 single would be different than the album version (ie. No One Is To Blame by Howard Jones). I remember some people would buy the album because of the single version and would be mad that the album version is not the same.

MickyDolenz said:

Graycap23 said:

This is what stopped me from buying singles.

What is the point if u get what is already of the album?

Not everyone bought albums though. Some people only bought 45s, and others bought maxi singles with remixes. Some acts like The Beatles and Johnnie Taylor would release non-album singles and many acts had B-sides. In the 1980's there are a lot of cases where the version played on the radio and on a 45 single would be different than the album version (ie. No One Is To Blame by Howard Jones). I remember some people would buy the album because of the single version and would be mad that the album version is not the same.

I dig but I'm only speaking 4 me.

I spend a lot of money on maxi singles...............2 bad they no longer exist.

It just seems to me all of the remixes were kinda sounding the same for a while. You used to have people like Mimi who would go back into the studio to record an alternate vocal specifically for a remix but you really don't have that anymore. Maybe the labels aren't willing to invest that kind of dough/studio time for a remix??? And I'm sure seasoned remixers demand a certain salary that labels may not be willing to pay any longer. Based off of the remixes I've listened to over the past several years, there was very little creativity. Just the same generic, loud, driving electronic or House beats.

So many unofficial remixes get made and shared and played.

I miss the 12"/extended remixes from PRINCE, that's for sure!

He definitely knew how to deliver on those! I think they are some of the most precious things in my life, and whenever I need a pick-me-up... I break out the vinyl and genuflect on the brilliance.

Fury said:

MJ owe a huge part of their success to the remix/extended Versions

I don't know about Mike. He didn't really have any remixes until the Bad album. The only song from Thriller that had an extended mix on a maxi single was Billie Jean. The other maxi singles like Beat It and Thriller just had the album versions. There was You Can't Win Part 1 & 2 from The Wiz soundtrack before this. The Jacksons had several remix/extended singles though.

MickyDolenz said:

I can only shake my head and sigh at how the industry killed singles, both 7" and 12" versions.

FormerlyKnownAs said:

I miss the 12"/extended remixes from PRINCE, that's for sure!

He definitely knew how to deliver on those! I think they are some of the most precious things in my life, and whenever I need a pick-me-up... I break out the vinyl and genuflect on the brilliance.

Prince and Mint Condition made the best 12" going. Both created entire new songs around the theme of the original.

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I know New Jack Swing is much maligned on this board, but damn if Teddy Riley didn't hook up Guy with some slammin' 12" remixes!

Others that were among some of my favorites:

Jody Watley: "Real Love" ('Oh oh, oh wah... Oh oh, oh wa')

Yazz & the Plastic Population: "The Only Way Is Up"

Mel & Kim: "Respectable"

M.A.R.S.: "Pump Up the Volume" ('Peppermint Disco!')

Sigue Sigue Sputnik: "Shoot It Up"

Bobby Brown: "My Perogative"

Seduction: "Two to Make It Right"

Expose: "What You Don't Know"

Dead or Alive: "Brand New Lover" ('I want surprises!')

Eurythmics: "Missionary Man" and "Would I Lie to You?"

Duran Duran: "Notorious" ('That's why I've done it again!")

Art of Noise: "Close to the Edit"

The Cure: "Fascination Street" (intro was really long on the extended version)

Depeche Mode: "Never Let Me Down Again" ('I'm taking a ride with my best friend...')

Grace Jones: "Slave to the Rhythm" (Wow - that 12" was an entire record!)

Shakespear's Sister: "Heroine"

Vanessa Williams: "The Right Stuff"

Pebbles: "Mercedes Boy"

Big Pig: "Breakaway"

New Order: "Blue Monday" (and anything else from 'Technique')

George Michael: "Monkey" (gotta get the extended, not album version)

Madonna: "Keep It Together" (among MANY others)

Sean "P.Ditty" Combs is the blame for the death of the remixes.

Thread over.

work it...work it...work it...work it.....aaahhhhh

Let's Work by Prince

Lawd, that track goes hard!

I'll work U in the street

I'll work Ur head

I'll work Ur feet

Fury said:

MJ, Janet, mariah, whitney and Madonna all owe a huge part of their success to the remix/extended Versions Jellybean Benitez, Cole and civilles, shep pettibone and others

Mariah & David Morales created magic. I love how she recomposed her music when she collaborated with him.

I love 12" versions, a few of my favourites:

[youtube]http://youtu.be/HadQvn4x1Go[/youtube]

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[youtube]http://youtu.be/KyjDP4uYybA[/youtube]

[youtube]http://youtu.be/k92eD075PCo[/youtube]

jaimestarr79 said:

graycap....what are some of the best Mint condition remixes?

I'll get back 2 u.

Some favorites:

George Michael ~ Hard Day {Special Remix}

The Jacksons ~ Torture {12" Dance Mix}

Paul McCartney (Wings) ~ Goodnight Tonight

Joe Tex ~ Ain't Gonna Bump No More

Newcleus ~ Jam On It

Duran Duran ~ The Reflex {The Dance Mix}

Stacy Lattisaw ~ Dynamite

Earth Wind & Fire feat. The Emotions ~ Boogie Wonderland {Special Disco Version}

Falco ~ Do It Again {12" Remix}

Falco ~ Rock Me Amadeus {American Edit}

Daryl Hall & John Oates ~ Missed Opportunity {Smooth Mix}

Daryl Hall & John Oates ~ I Can't Go For That {12"}

Grandmaster Flash & The Furious 5 ~ Freedom

Terence Trent D'Arby ~ Dance Little Sister {Part 1 & 2}

Junior ~ Too Late {The extended radio promo mix that has never been commercially released}

5 Star ~ Let Me Be The One {Philadelphia Remix}

Gerardo ~ We Want The Funk {Raw Dog Mix}

The O'Jays ~ This Time Baby {Tom Moulton Mix}

Jesse Johnson feat. Sly Stone ~ Crazay {Extended Version}

Sweet Sensation ~ Hooked On You {Razor Mix}

Wham! ~ Wham! Rap {Unsocial Mix}

Gap Band ~ You Dropped A Bomb On Me

Herbie Mann ~ Superman

Janet Jackson ~ The Pleasure Principle {Long Vocal}

Tears For Fears ~ Shout {US 12" Remix}

Bell Biv DeVoe ~ B.B.D. (I Thought It Was Me) {Extended Version}

Phil Collins ~ Sussudio {12" Mix}

Color Me Badd ~ I Wanna Sex You Up {Howie Tee Remix}

Debbie Gibson ~ Electric Youth {The Electro Mix}

Jermaine Jackson ~ I Think It's Love {Extended Pop Mix}

Samantha Fox ~ I Wanna Have Some Fun {Have Some Fun Mix}

Madonna ~ Angel {Extended}

Destiny's Child ~ Bills, Bills, Bills {Maurice's Xclusive Livegig Mix}

New Edition ~ Kinda Girls We Like {Dub 1/Dub 2}

Bar Kays ~ She Talks To Me With Her Body {Re-Mix}

Michael Jackson ~ Smooth Criminal {Extended Dance Mix}

Michael Jackson ~ You Can't Win {Part 1 & 2}

Stevie Wonder ~ Did I Hear You Say You Love Me {Long Version}

Frankie Valli ~ Swearin' To God

A Taste Of Honey ~ Boogie Oogie Oogie {12" Mix}

Robert Palmer ~ I Didn't Mean To Turn You On {Extended Dance Mix}

Cerrone ~ Love In 'C' Minor

Sugarhill Gang ~ Rapper's Delight

Level 42 ~ Lessons In Love {Shep Pettibone Mix}

Paul McCartney & Michael Jackson ~ Say Say Say {Jellybean Remix Instrumental}

Bohannon ~ Let's Start The Dance

Prince & The Revolution ~ Anotherloverholenyohead

Funkadelic ~ One Nation Under A Groove {12" Mix}

Expose ~ Point Of No Return {Extended Mix}

CeCe Peniston ~ Keep On Walking {12" Original Mix}

Boy George ~ You Found Another Guy {12" Mix}

Secret Weapon ~ Must Be The Music

KC & The Sunshine Band ~ Do You Wanna Go Party

Richard "Dimples" Fields ~ She's Got Papers On Me {Another unreleased radio version where the Betty Wright part goes a minute or 2 longer than the album version}

S'more favs:

Some favorites of mine from the 70's, 80's and 90's and beyond:

ABC- "The Night You Murdered Love (The Whole Story)"

Bananarama- "More Than Physical (The Musclebound Mix)"

Chic- "My Forbidden Lover (12" mix)"

Norma Jean Wright- "Sorcerer (12" mix)"

Donna Summer- "Love's About To Change My Heart (Clivilles & Cole Mix)"

Kylie Minogue- "Right Here Right Now (Tony King 12" Mix)"

Duran Duran- "My Own Way (Night Version)"

Janet Jackson- "If (Brothers In Rhythm House Mix)"

Gladys Knight & the Pips- "Save The Overtime (For Me) (12" mix)"

Basia- "Drunk On Love (Downtown Club Mix and Roger's Ultimate Anthem Mix)

George Benson- "Shiver (Extended Remix)"

Debarge- "You Wear It Well (M&M Club Mix)"

Change- "Mutual Attraction (12"Nick Martinelli RemMix)"

Mai Tai- "What, Where, When, Who (12" Extended Mix)"

"1 Touch 2 Much (12" Extended Mix)"

Queen Latifah- "How Do I Love Thee (Extended Club Mix)"

Patti Austin- "Only A Breathe Away (12" Extended Mix)"

Rene & Angela- "I'll Be Good (12" Version)"

Hysterix- "Everything (T-Empo's Key Lime Pie Mix)"

Dreamworld- Movin' Up (Lenny Bertoldo Extended Mix)"

Diana Ross- "Love Hangover (Extended Alternate Mix)"

Gloria Estefan- "Out of Nowhere (Metro Extended Remix)"

Rihanna- "Push Up On Me (Moto Blanco Club Mix)"

My collection resembles MickyDolenz's. I got shit going back to the late 70's. My earliest ones are Karen Young's "Hot Shot" & Dan Hartman's "Instant Replay".