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Awwww, y'all mean the smile at the end of my post didn't make it clear that it was a joke? Wow, the people that tend to state how Prince's work after a certain era sucks sure tend to get a bit touchy when the shoe is one the other foot. Anyway, my point is that McAlmont is in the same style of many of the indie or rock bands that so many people on this site are always citing as examples that Prince should "follow" or be inspired by. So, I was like, "Hey, this dude sucks like all those other bands that people are always promoting on this site so maybe we have made some racial progress on this site." Cause, say what y'all will, any time somebody starts discussing Prince's 'fro, or Shelby J., or the NPG hornz, or especially when discussing Prince's songs that address racism, the negative reviews almost always have an undercurrent of racism from many on this site, and I was making light of that. It's a shame that my reworking of two of King's most famous saying didn't give that away. But, it is what it is. Thank y’all for always proving my point on this site.

Oh, and by the way, with your bolded sentence you just show the extent of your ignorance. So McAlmont is just "in the same style of many of the indie or rock bands that so many people are always citing" on the .org? You may not know the Philly soul inspired album A Little Communication. You may not know the jazz covers albums Set One: You Go To My Head. You may not know the classical minimalism-meets-pop-meets soul of his album with Nyman. You may not know the Dave Godin-Motown roots of the album Bring It Back. For you it is just "indie" or "rock", all the same. Maybe it's just because it doesn't fit your black standards.

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And of course, all of McAlmont's music is the same "indie rock", and it's the same as all the "white artists" some orgers discuss. So McAlmont is the same as Gary Numan, Pet Shop Boys, Tears For Fears, Prefab Sprout, Suede, Peter Gabriel and David Bowie? All the same, then? It's amazing.

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I haven't seen any orger disrespect "black" music here. But you do disrespect "white" pop-rock just as a result of your black fanaticism. So who's the racist then?

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The rest of what you said is just you reaching at straws. But, as for the bolded part, do you mean this tread or this site in general? Because black music and black culture is disrespected on this site daily.

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Javi said: Maybe it's just because it doesn't fit your black standards

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Wow! My "black standards"...really. Well, if you knew anything about me, or if you've read any of my posts on threads, such as "Has Prince Fulfilled His Funk Potential" or any thread discussing 2013 or 3rdEyeGirl, you would know that I've been one of the few people saying that what I love must about Prince is that he can fill an album and a concert with songs as eclectic as "Screwdriver" and "Ain't Gone Miss U When Ur Gone." How's that for my "black standards"? Who has the racist issues now?

OK, tontito. Nobody has attacked you here. It's you who have stumbled into a thread dedicated to celebrate the talent of a musician with a racist rambling about "white crappy bands". If I said something about "black crappy bands", I would probably be banned from the .org, but it seems that from the other side of the telescope everything is allowed. Also, this rambling goes in the same direction as your general attitude on the .org.

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I do read your posts. I've even had interest in some of them. But they're often among the most monolithic and one-dimensional I've ever read on the .org.

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So you haven't heard about McAlmont before and you feel competent enough to judge his music and say "he's akin to the crappy indie/rock bands"? Having only heard the songs posted on this thread, or even less? Of an artist who has a career of 20 years and 7 albums? That says it all, tontito.

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I wonder why do you find it admirable that some whites like McAlmont as much as the other "crappy white bands". Why is it admirable? I don't judge musicians for the colour of their skin. That's your attitude, not mine. And that's your essentialist notion of identity, not mine. You state that you assumed people linking Prince to "white crappy rock bands" was related to race. Exactly what I told you: you're obsessed with race and see it everywhere. Wrong assumption.

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And many thanks for bumping the thread several times, it has resulted in more people reading it and probably discovering the wonderful music and the sublime voice of David McAlmont. Adiós, tontito.

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TheDigitalGardener said:

This thread has reignited my interest in McAlmont. Thank you. I'm gonna go on the hunt for the stuff I've missed.

I'm glad to read it. Hope your enjoy the McAlmont music you didn't know. And by the way, I discovered the amazing Propaganda's A Secret Wish thanks to your recommendation, so I'm glad now it goes the opposite way.

I know David. I'm going to pass this thread along to him, he's going to get a real kick out of it I have no doubt! As yet another thread rapidly descends into name-alling and chaos! Gotta love the Org

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Javi said:

By the way, kenkamken, which Prince songs would you like McAlmont to cover? I'd give my left arm to hear him singing "Sometimes It Snows In April"...

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That would be a good cover. I can imagine him doing Get Blue, Allegiance, Soul Sanctuary, Beautiful Ones, perhaps When We're Dancing Close & Slow

I'll have to look for that cover now

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OK, tontito. Nobody has attacked you here. It's you who have stumbled into a thread dedicated to celebrate the talent of a musician with a racist rambling about "white crappy bands". If I said something about "black crappy bands", I would probably be banned from the .org, but it seems that from the other side of the telescope everything is allowed. Also, this rambling goes in the same direction as your general attitude on the .org.

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I do read your posts. I've even had interest in some of them. But they're often among the most monolithic and one-dimensional I've ever read on the .org.

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So you haven't heard about McAlmont before and you feel competent enough to judge his music and say "he's akin to the crappy indie/rock bands"? Having only heard the songs posted on this thread, or even less? Of an artist who has a career of 20 years and 7 albums? That says it all, tontito.

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I wonder why do you find it admirable that some whites like McAlmont as much as the other "crappy white bands". Why is it admirable? I don't judge musicians for the colour of their skin. That's your attitude, not mine. And that's your essentialist notion of identity, not mine. You state that you assumed people linking Prince to "white crappy rock bands" was related to race. Exactly what I told you: you're obsessed with race and see it everywhere. Wrong assumption.

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And many thanks for bumping the thread several times, it has resulted in more people reading it and probably discovering the wonderful music and the sublime voice of David McAlmont. Adiós, tontito.

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It's so pathetic when people try to pull the "reverse racism" card to protect themselves. Dude, since I said "crappy white bands" and inferred that I view McAlmont as a "crappy black singer" by comparing him to those other bands, there is no racism. I can only be racist if I were to say that McAlmont or any other black person sounded like white indie/rock bands but I liked McAlmont and didn't like the white indie/rock bands. Since I identified them as being equally crappy, I'm not being racist. End of story.

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As for how much of McAlmont's work I've heard. I couldn't even sit through seven of his songs. The seven songs I heard all sounded a like. Granted it is a small sample size, but seven songs are more of a trend than an aberration, especially when they are from different albums. I could see if with one of those I would have said, "Hey, this is okay." But, after seven straight immediately unpleasant experiences I realized that this cat is not for me because his musical range seems limited to me, like most indie/rock bands. Like Prince has said recently, “I like rock-n-roll, but I like my rock-n-roll funky”.

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But I noticed that you never addressed the fact that I have a history on this site of championing Prince's musical diversity because that shows your argument about me being racist to be as weak as sugar water. Later playa.

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Javi said:

OK, tontito. Nobody has attacked you here. It's you who have stumbled into a thread dedicated to celebrate the talent of a musician with a racist rambling about "white crappy bands". If I said something about "black crappy bands", I would probably be banned from the .org, but it seems that from the other side of the telescope everything is allowed. Also, this rambling goes in the same direction as your general attitude on the .org.

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I do read your posts. I've even had interest in some of them. But they're often among the most monolithic and one-dimensional I've ever read on the .org.

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So you haven't heard about McAlmont before and you feel competent enough to judge his music and say "he's akin to the crappy indie/rock bands"? Having only heard the songs posted on this thread, or even less? Of an artist who has a career of 20 years and 7 albums? That says it all, tontito.

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I wonder why do you find it admirable that some whites like McAlmont as much as the other "crappy white bands". Why is it admirable? I don't judge musicians for the colour of their skin. That's your attitude, not mine. And that's your essentialist notion of identity, not mine. You state that you assumed people linking Prince to "white crappy rock bands" was related to race. Exactly what I told you: you're obsessed with race and see it everywhere. Wrong assumption.

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And many thanks for bumping the thread several times, it has resulted in more people reading it and probably discovering the wonderful music and the sublime voice of David McAlmont. Adiós, tontito.

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It's so pathetic when people try to pull the "reverse racism" card to protect themselves. Dude, since I said "crappy white bands" and inferred that I view McAlmont as a "crappy black singer" by comparing him to those other bands, there is no racism. I can only be racist if I were to say that McAlmont or any other black person sounded like white indie/rock bands but I liked McAlmont and didn't like the white indie/rock bands. Since I identified them as being equally crappy, I'm not being racist. End of story.

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As for how much of McAlmont's work I've heard. I couldn't even sit through seven of his songs. The seven songs I heard all sounded a like. Granted it is a small sample size, but seven songs are more of a trend than an aberration, especially when they are from different albums. I could see if with one of those I would have said, "Hey, this is okay." But, after seven straight immediately unpleasant experiences I realized that this cat is not for me because his musical range seems limited to me, like most indie/rock bands. Like Prince has said recently, “I like rock-n-roll, but I like my rock-n-roll funky”.

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But I noticed that you never addressed the fact that I have a history on this site of championing Prince's musical diversity because that shows your argument about me being racist to be as weak as sugar water. Later playa.

OK, this has been funny enough, but just a couple of things before saying goodbye, tontita.

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You have considered people racist here on the .org for much less than for what you said on your first post. Your first post, seen in connection with your "history on this site" (sic), has a racist meaning for me. End of the story.

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Frankly, I don't know which McAlmont songs you have heard, but your musical ear seems rather limited to me if all of them sound the same for you.

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That you champion Prince musical diversity doesn't change anything of what we're talking about here. And as for not addresing questions, there are several things on my posts that you haven't addressed. But it's OK, tontita. There's no need for you to do it.

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This is spooky - I downloaded a few of his covers at the weekend onto my iphone. Alfie, My Funny Valentine and Diamonds Are Forever. I love this mans voice.

Can't wait for the Prince do to happen - I hope it gets onto Youtube.

The thread was moved to the "Music: Non Prince" forum by the mods. Well, the thing started with the news of McAlmont covering Prince songs, but there was also some debate on McAlmont's music, so I can understand it.

I'm glad you like it, HoneyB. But I think the Prince Police won't allow the videos to stay in YouTube. I hope I'm wrong, though.

Javi said:

TheDigitalGardener said:

This thread has reignited my interest in McAlmont. Thank you. I'm gonna go on the hunt for the stuff I've missed.

I'm glad to read it. Hope your enjoy the McAlmont music you didn't know. And by the way, I discovered the amazing Propaganda's A Secret Wish thanks to your recommendation, so I'm glad now it goes the opposite way.

HoneyB, actually, the show may be on Youtube at least for some days. We have to search the days right after, and we may find it. The Hideaway, that is the club in which the gig will take place, always uploads all their shows in YouTube. Also, there was a tribute to Prince in London Jazz Cafe last Sunday and there's still a video on Youtube. Sadly, at the end it will probably be removed by the Prince Police, but it may stay some days or even some weeks, so hopefully we'll be able to see it.

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^Thanks for posting. Can't see it now, I'll do it tomorrow.

Xibalba said:

Yep. Sounds like white indie rock to me.

I'll have to look at some of those tracks that were put up earlier, because I've never heard of this guy. But right now I'm still trying to catch up with Janelle Monae, so he's got to wait.

and last, but by no means least...

(I think this is the best rendition of this ever, but then again - i'm hardly impartial!)

Very nice selection, Xibalba. I'd only have added something of the McAlmont and Nyman album, full of brilliant tunes.

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Xibalba, did you receive my orgnote?

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I'm not sure "When Doves Cry" is the best decision for David to sing, but the way he sings the chorus is just amazing.

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To all those interested in McAlmont's music, there may be some new music in the near future, I've read he's recording new songs with Guy Davies.