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Reply #300 posted 08/21/13 5:23pm

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Graycap23 said:

eek

Proactive nonsense.

They jacked the track.

NEXT.

This.

Does he really believe that the audience he has spent the majority of his life catering to cannnot recognize the song we've been hearing since we were in diapers and our own parents were young enough to shake their groove thangs to GTGIU? Really, now. confused

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Precisley. And that is what baffles me, that he thinks his audience of 30-40 year old black folks will fall for his okedoke. Maybe he's feeling so emboldened due to all of his "new" fans ...

I've always been indifferent to him but this foolishness has really made me look at him sideways.

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Reply #301 posted 08/21/13 5:26pm

Scorp

119 said:

Ottensen said:

This.

Does he really believe that the audience he has spent the majority of his life catering to cannnot recognize the song we've been hearing since we were in diapers and our own parents were young enough to shake their groove thangs to GTGIU? Really, now. confused

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Precisley. And that is what baffles me, that he thinks his audience of 30-40 year old black folks will fall for his okedoke. Maybe he's feeling so emboldened due to all of his "new" fans ...

I've always been indifferent to him but this foolishness has really made me look at him sideways.

amen.........

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Reply #302 posted 08/21/13 6:52pm

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rolleyes

"Party up" would have never seen the light of the day without prince's midas touch! It doesn't matter what ideas Prince took from his bandmates in rehearsals. Prince's gift is to take everything in, absorb it, and turn it into a mega hit record. What hit record have any of his bandmates had on their own NADA!! case closed....

Also "Kiss" was originally composed by Prince! Who gave it to David Z & Mazzarti to jazz up. He then took it back, put his classic scratch rhythm guitar on it, took the boring bass out & added his "Masterpiece" lead falsetto vocal on it! prince turned it into a number 1 MEGA hit! That several have remade themselves....DON'T PLAY prince's natural talent down on here mister!

As snarky as this reply is... I must co-sign! prince

thumbs up!

eye will ALWAYS think of prince like a "ACT OF GOD"! N another realm. eye mean of all people who might of been aliens or angels.if found out that prince wasn't of this earth, eye would not have been that surprised. R.I.P. prince
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Reply #303 posted 08/21/13 8:25pm

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Graycap23 said:

SoulAlive said:

Graycap23 said: In cases like these,it's all about money. wink Robin is doing what he has to do,plain and simple.If you were in a situation like this,wouldn't you want to get everything clarified and resolved?

As an artist............I wouldn't jack someone else's track.

But what do you mean by "jack"? I can see the point of the people who believe "Blurred Lines" is built on an unlicensed sample or almost complete ripoff of "Got to Give It Up" (although I can't see how they don't hear the myriad differences between the tracks). But you bring up an interesting point, because all of the whining about "nothing being original" is mystifying to me. One of the main points of art is to inspire. No artist exists in a vacuum. In a sense, artists have always been — and, more importantly, should always be — "ripping off" others. Taking in all kinds of influences and creating something new that's shaped by their unique perspective is original and artistic. I doubt the people on here who apparently expect musicians to create new sounds out of thin air that are totally independent of everything they've ever heard are criticizing the likes of Disney or Shakespeare. You'd be hard-pressed to find a Disney movie that isn't based on an earlier story. Snow White? Pinocchio? Dumbo? Sleeping Beauty? All "jacked." Is Romeo & Juliet less of a classic because it's based on a previous story? Did Shakespeare make enough modifications to claim it as his own?

Part of "My Sweet Lord" is an out-and-out ripoff of "He's So Fine," sure. But I'm glad it was, because "My Sweet Lord" is a pretty special song to me and my life is better for having heard it. How is that bad?

You can't have art without inspiration and it's silly that artists are vilified for it.

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Reply #304 posted 08/22/13 5:10am

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I'm sorry, but there's no case here. This blends Kiss, MJ and Marvin equally - nothing in the musc really quotes anything directly though. You can't sue people for writing bouncy soul with a falsetto vocal track.

Now Miguel's Adorn is another mattter entirely.....

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Reply #305 posted 08/22/13 5:20am

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AlexdeParis said:

Graycap23 said:

As an artist............I wouldn't jack someone else's track.

But what do you mean by "jack"? I can see the point of the people who believe "Blurred Lines" is built on an unlicensed sample or almost complete ripoff of "Got to Give It Up" (although I can't see how they don't hear the myriad differences between the tracks). But you bring up an interesting point, because all of the whining about "nothing being original" is mystifying to me. One of the main points of art is to inspire. No artist exists in a vacuum. In a sense, artists have always been — and, more importantly, should always be — "ripping off" others. Taking in all kinds of influences and creating something new that's shaped by their unique perspective is original and artistic. I doubt the people on here who apparently expect musicians to create new sounds out of thin air that are totally independent of everything they've ever heard are criticizing the likes of Disney or Shakespeare. You'd be hard-pressed to find a Disney movie that isn't based on an earlier story. Snow White? Pinocchio? Dumbo? Sleeping Beauty? All "jacked." Is Romeo & Juliet less of a classic because it's based on a previous story? Did Shakespeare make enough modifications to claim it as his own?

Part of "My Sweet Lord" is an out-and-out ripoff of "He's So Fine," sure. But I'm glad it was, because "My Sweet Lord" is a pretty special song to me and my life is better for having heard it. How is that bad?

You can't have art without inspiration and it's silly that artists are vilified for it.

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Reply #306 posted 08/22/13 5:34am

Graycap23

AlexdeParis said:

Graycap23 said:

As an artist............I wouldn't jack someone else's track.

But what do you mean by "jack"? I can see the point of the people who believe "Blurred Lines" is built on an unlicensed sample or almost complete ripoff of "Got to Give It Up" (although I can't see how they don't hear the myriad differences between the tracks). But you bring up an interesting point, because all of the whining about "nothing being original" is mystifying to me. One of the main points of art is to inspire. No artist exists in a vacuum. In a sense, artists have always been — and, more importantly, should always be — "ripping off" others. Taking in all kinds of influences and creating something new that's shaped by their unique perspective is original and artistic. I doubt the people on here who apparently expect musicians to create new sounds out of thin air that are totally independent of everything they've ever heard are criticizing the likes of Disney or Shakespeare. You'd be hard-pressed to find a Disney movie that isn't based on an earlier story. Snow White? Pinocchio? Dumbo? Sleeping Beauty? All "jacked." Is Romeo & Juliet less of a classic because it's based on a previous story? Did Shakespeare make enough modifications to claim it as his own?

Part of "My Sweet Lord" is an out-and-out ripoff of "He's So Fine," sure. But I'm glad it was, because "My Sweet Lord" is a pretty special song to me and my life is better for having heard it. How is that bad?

You can't have art without inspiration and it's silly that artists are vilified for it.

I agree with u 2 a certain extent. lord knows I've been inspired my more than I can name.......but when I am, by the time I finish, u won't hear what inspired me.

The inspiration should be the starting point................NOT the ending point.

At least 2 me.

[Edited 8/22/13 5:35am]

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Reply #307 posted 08/22/13 5:37am

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Graycap23 said:

AlexdeParis said:

But what do you mean by "jack"? I can see the point of the people who believe "Blurred Lines" is built on an unlicensed sample or almost complete ripoff of "Got to Give It Up" (although I can't see how they don't hear the myriad differences between the tracks). But you bring up an interesting point, because all of the whining about "nothing being original" is mystifying to me. One of the main points of art is to inspire. No artist exists in a vacuum. In a sense, artists have always been — and, more importantly, should always be — "ripping off" others. Taking in all kinds of influences and creating something new that's shaped by their unique perspective is original and artistic. I doubt the people on here who apparently expect musicians to create new sounds out of thin air that are totally independent of everything they've ever heard are criticizing the likes of Disney or Shakespeare. You'd be hard-pressed to find a Disney movie that isn't based on an earlier story. Snow White? Pinocchio? Dumbo? Sleeping Beauty? All "jacked." Is Romeo & Juliet less of a classic because it's based on a previous story? Did Shakespeare make enough modifications to claim it as his own?

Part of "My Sweet Lord" is an out-and-out ripoff of "He's So Fine," sure. But I'm glad it was, because "My Sweet Lord" is a pretty special song to me and my life is better for having heard it. How is that bad?

You can't have art without inspiration and it's silly that artists are vilified for it.

I agree with u 2 a certain extent. lord knows I've been inspired my more than I can name.......but when I am, by the time I finish, u won't hear what inspired me.

You sure about that? I think that's almost impossible. One can hear some of the artists and songs Prince is inspired by.

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Reply #308 posted 08/22/13 5:39am

Scorp

I think the standards have been lowered and society is accepting, mainly because it really feels it has no choice but to do it.....

Robin Thicke will mess around and win a Grammy Award after hijacking someone's work

I wouldn't even feel good about that if I was in this situation

first time I heard this song, in the first 5 seconds, I heard hijacking out the box

and it can happen, and it's happened on many occassion over the past 27 years....

what happened to the arrangement of music, is that now a lost "art".....

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Reply #309 posted 08/22/13 5:46am

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Scorp said:

in 1982, "Apache" by the Sugar HIll gang was played around the clock along with "Planet Rock" by Afrika Bambaataa and the Soul Sonic Force....omg...what a summer.........

good call... and know what? all those songs were hijacked!!

naaaah.... but we can't do that can we?

the hijacked it! ow unoriginal! how uncreative! bla bla bla black folks stealing white mans music bla bla bla Bambaata just came in the biz riding the coat tails of an already legendary song by Kraftwerk bla bla bla. BULLSHIT!!!

legendary tracks based on other legendary tracks. so what?
Thicke gets the heat for something many have always been doing, and often to much bigger extent, hell, the whole Hip Hop genrer was founded on what you guys call "hijacking"

next.

[Edited 8/22/13 5:52am]

Has anyone tried unplugging the United States and plugging it back in?
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Reply #310 posted 08/22/13 5:53am

Scorp

BombSquad said:

Scorp said:

in 1982, "Apache" by the Sugar HIll gang was played around the clock along with "Planet Rock" by Afrika Bambaataa and the Soul Sonic Force....omg...what a summer.........

good call... and know what? all those songs were hijacked!!

naaaah.... but we can't do that can we?

black folks stealing white mans music bla bla bla Bambaata just came in the biz riding the coat tails of an already legendary song by Kraftwerk bla bla bla. BULLSHIT!!!

legendary tracks based on other legendary tracks. so what?
Thicke gets the heat for something many have always been doing, and often to much bigger extent, hell, the whole Hip Hop genrer was founded on what you guys call "hijacking"

next.

[Edited 8/22/13 5:49am]

and did I suggest anywhere in this thread that it was only white performers hijacking/sampling music?

there's no way I'm interjecting race into this....it aint even about race

[Edited 8/22/13 5:54am]

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Reply #311 posted 08/22/13 5:54am

Graycap23

VenusBlingBling said:

Graycap23 said:

I agree with u 2 a certain extent. lord knows I've been inspired my more than I can name.......but when I am, by the time I finish, u won't hear what inspired me.

You sure about that? I think that's almost impossible. One can hear some of the artists and songs Prince is inspired by.

I don't agree with impossible but I understand your point.

There are only so many notes that can be played.......and I'm sure that damn near every combination possible has been performed my someone at some point.

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Reply #312 posted 08/22/13 5:57am

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and did I suggest anywhere in this thread that it was only white performers hijacking/sampling music?

not you , but there was an lengthy article on that posted somewhere above. I was just paraphrasing the constant bitching throughout the thread, about something that has always been part of music history. and so I found it rather ironic, that you listed two legendary tracks, that were well... hijacked.

Has anyone tried unplugging the United States and plugging it back in?
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Reply #313 posted 08/22/13 6:41am

Scorp

BombSquad said:

Scorp said:

and did I suggest anywhere in this thread that it was only white performers hijacking/sampling music?

not you , but there was an lengthy article on that posted somewhere above. I was just paraphrasing the constant bitching throughout the thread, about something that has always been part of music history. and so I found it rather ironic, that you listed two legendary tracks, that were well... hijacked.

this is the beef I've always had about sampling, even when I was in high school during the late 80s when this stuff started to proliferate......

because of the proliferation of sampling, it undermined the need for actual musicians to facilite the recording of music

the recording industry pushed out actual musicians who also performed and replaced them with a new ensemble of acts who they could project to the public thru the rise of the video age, acts they felt could generate more records sales while sampling is being used, or so that was the thinking

it became formula driven, it became a concept, the means to an end.....

half of the acts who have became major pop stars, r&b stars and the like, they are not musically inclined to begin with, and when the sampling runs its course regarding their respective careers, and when it comes time for them to become actual artists, they don't have the ability to do it....and they realize it, then they start focusing on other ways to sustain attention by relying on controversy or become more sexually provocative for as the word goes "SEX SELLS"....

because of sampling, musical bands and the entire concept of it have suffered.....

it's like taking that drug for the first time, it trips you out, you feel this surge of energy, a state of euphoria, but after that first hit, you need greater levels of it in order to reach the same high one did the very first time they try it, as a result, they resort to more drastic means to achieve it, and then before you know it....YOU'RE HOOKED ON IT, and become dependent on it to survive, and if you tried to refrain from you, you suffer major withdrawal and start to trepidate.......and this is how I viewed sampling during the age of the Pop Ascension movement that made her presence known in

when HIp-Hop first started to reach the national scene, the Pop Ascension hadn't started, the sampling that took place occured spontaneously as MC'S were performing over songs teh DJ'S were playing, it was free from....before the song was actually recorded

even with Planet Rock, there was a level of ingenuity involved...

then we have to consider the fact that when Reagan became president, he cut many social programs, programs that funded music schools that taught youth how to play instruments

so in that case, guys had to make something out of what was already made on wax, that's where the ingenuity comes to play,

the Pop Ascension took that concept and turned it into a formula for success, initially that plan worked to a T but record executives did not consider the long term ramifications and now as of 2013, the bottom is falling out.....

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Reply #314 posted 08/22/13 9:09am

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BombSquad said:

something that has always been part of music history.

This comes from a book called Here, There, and Everywhere, which was written by one of The Beatles' recording engineers Geoff Emerick. He's talking about recording the song Yellow Submarine.

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Throughout the day, George Martin and I had been overdubbing various nautical sounds from sound effect records in the EMI library. That same library was to be put to good use later that night, when it came to add a solo to the song. By then everyone was too knackered - or stoned - to give much attention to the two bar gap that had been left for a solo. .... Phil McDonald was duly dispatched to fetch some records of Sousa marches, and after auditioning several of them, George Martin and Paul (McCartney) finally identified one that was suitable - it was in the same key as Yellow Submarine and seemed to fit well enough. The problem here was one of copyright; in British law, if you used more than a few seconds of a recording on a commercial release, you had to get permission from the song's publisher and then pay a negotiable royalty.

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George (Martin) wasn't about to do either, so he told me to record the section on a clean piece of two-track tape and chop it into pieces, toss the pieces into the air, and splice them back together. The end result should have been random, but, somehow, when I pieced it back together, it came back nearly the same way it had been in the first place! .... But by this point, it was very late at night and we were running out of time - and patience - so George had me simply swap over the two pieces and we flew it into the multitrack master, being careful to fade it out quickly. .... At least it's unrecognizable enough that EMI was never sued by the original copyright holder of the song.

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Reply #315 posted 08/22/13 9:36am

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Graycap23 said:

There are only so many notes that can be played.......and I'm sure that damn near every combination possible has been performed my someone at some point.

lol..this is exactly how I feel lol There is nothing new under the sun,when it comes to music.Every note,every riff,every idea has been done before.Most of today's artists (Lady Gaga,for example) are simply rehashing the music and ideas that came before them.

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Reply #316 posted 08/22/13 2:45pm

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Shard said:

The beat is what made this song so popular with people...and the beat we hear clearly mimics that of "Got To Give It Up". Maybe it's not exactly, and I'm sure the people working on this song did what they needed to do to avoid paying for sampling, but the beat is not original. Robin Thicke's music is not original in general, and he rips off the sounds from the late 70s and early 80s. It annoys me he and his team can't come up with their own sounds.

That's one of the things that I find particularly frustrating about this case -- they clearly ripped off GTGIU as closely as they could without blatantly breaking copyright law (i.e. without sampling or actually using the vocal melody except in like one place). It's the whole following the letter but not the spirit of the law -- although the letter of the law isn't entirely clear, so they could still land in hot water.

Also, I hate to disbelieve people when they say they've been the victim of a crime, but....I'm kind of skeptical that BOTH families threatened them. I mean, that's just a little too convenient. Plus, in the interviews I've seen with Thicke, he doesn't really strike me as the brightest bulb in the hardware store and definitely has an entitlement complex (you can really see it when he talks about women). In my experience, people like that are often the first to come up with stories about being victimized, particularly when somebody is standing in the way of something they feel entitled to. I could definitely be proven wrong, because there are certainly plenty of shitty people out there, but something about it just doesn't add up to me. Unless I'm reading it wrong and the "threats" they're talking about are threats of being sued.

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Reply #317 posted 08/22/13 4:11pm

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Arbwyth said:

Shard said:

The beat is what made this song so popular with people...and the beat we hear clearly mimics that of "Got To Give It Up". Maybe it's not exactly, and I'm sure the people working on this song did what they needed to do to avoid paying for sampling, but the beat is not original. Robin Thicke's music is not original in general, and he rips off the sounds from the late 70s and early 80s. It annoys me he and his team can't come up with their own sounds.

That's one of the things that I find particularly frustrating about this case -- they clearly ripped off GTGIU as closely as they could without blatantly breaking copyright law (i.e. without sampling or actually using the vocal melody except in like one place). It's the whole following the letter but not the spirit of the law -- although the letter of the law isn't entirely clear, so they could still land in hot water.

Also, I hate to disbelieve people when they say they've been the victim of a crime, but....I'm kind of skeptical that BOTH families threatened them. I mean, that's just a little too convenient. Plus, in the interviews I've seen with Thicke, he doesn't really strike me as the brightest bulb in the hardware store and definitely has an entitlement complex (you can really see it when he talks about women). In my experience, people like that are often the first to come up with stories about being victimized, particularly when somebody is standing in the way of something they feel entitled to. I could definitely be proven wrong, because there are certainly plenty of shitty people out there, but something about it just doesn't add up to me. Unless I'm reading it wrong and the "threats" they're talking about are threats of being sued.

I don't see how they could get into trouble, when they REPLAYED the music? Everything on the song has been replayed, (albeit, very close to Marvin's tune) except for the "Yeow", which is MJ's voice, sampled from "Don't Stop..." If they're gonna land in hot water for replaying the track themselves, the every cover band in the universe, better watch out....smh
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Reply #318 posted 08/22/13 7:01pm

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Cover bands or tribute bands are that. They aren't trying to pass off new music as their

own. So when you're prepping a new album you can just replay any song(especially with no chord changes), rename it and pass it off as your own? That's akin to plagiarism if you are a writer and write a book and take excerpts from another author's work and put it in your book and call it your own. Prince once made this point in an article I read years ago. Take a look at Blackstreet's debut album where they had U Blow My Mind and they properly credited the Gap Band on the cd as an interpolation of Outstanding and Good Life where they properly credited TS Monk as an interpolation of the Bon Bon Bon Bon Vie. The Tonies also did the same on some songs they did on Sons of Soul. I get it people like Robin Thicke's music but I know a lot of people outside the org who have called BS on him here. If this were Mariah who made this move people would be ripping her a new asshole. lol

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Reply #319 posted 08/22/13 8:47pm

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phunkdaddy said:

Cover bands or tribute bands are that. They aren't trying to pass off new music as their

own. So when you're prepping a new album you can just replay any song(especially with no chord changes), rename it and pass it off as your own? That's akin to plagiarism if you are a writer and write a book and take excerpts from another author's work and put it in your book and call it your own.

The difference here is that the music isn't replayed, it's different, just like the Disney and Shakespeare examples I noted earlier. The gray area is how much has to be changed before it becomes something new.

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Reply #320 posted 08/23/13 12:15am

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Now here is a great use of a Marvin Gaye sample.

music

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Reply #321 posted 08/23/13 3:21am

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lrn36 said:

Now here is a great use of a Marvin Gaye sample.

music

you're right.....this was an excellent track biggrin

and this body of music was discovered after years of living in obscurity and Eric Sermon immediately acknowledged the source of which it came from and produced a gem

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Reply #322 posted 08/23/13 5:12am

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I wonder what it would be like if house or metal producers would start suing each other on the basis that some track reminds of another?


Or salsa, or any other genre that doesn't get played on the mainstream radio channels. It seems like it's only mainstream pop where something like this becomes an issue.

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Reply #323 posted 08/23/13 7:46am

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novabrkr said:

I wonder what it would be like if house or metal producers would start suing each other on the basis that some track reminds of another?


Or salsa, or any other genre that doesn't get played on the mainstream radio channels. It seems like it's only mainstream pop where something like this becomes an issue.

A lot of tejano/Tex Mex songs sound similar as well, with the same music and vocal arrangements, and they tend to just end instead of having a fade out. So does some bossa nova songs, zydeco, and other genres. On Malaco Records many of their songs have the same horn riffs. To me, reggaeton music tends to sound like the same song with different lyrics and vocalists on it.

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Reply #324 posted 08/23/13 12:23pm

Scorp

a sample and interpolation all in one, the whole ball of wax....

even the title has been partially hijacked........

anyone on this forum could have did this.....

gospel artists hijack too

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Reply #325 posted 08/23/13 12:58pm

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Scorp said:

lrn36 said:

Now here is a great use of a Marvin Gaye sample.

music

you're right.....this was an excellent track biggrin

and this body of music was discovered after years of living in obscurity and Eric Sermon immediately acknowledged the source of which it came from and produced a gem

Say that again.

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Reply #326 posted 08/23/13 1:02pm

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Marvin Gaye’s Family Rejected Robin Thicke’s Six-Figure Offer

Singer Robin Thicke performs during Radio.com's SPF concert at The Boulevard Pool at The Cosmopolitan of Las Vegas on August 17, 2013 in Las Vegas

Singer Robin Thicke performs during Radio.com’s SPF concert at The Boulevard Pool at The Cosmopolitan of Las Vegas on August 17, 2013 in Las Vegas

*Billboard is reporting that Robin Thicke’s team offered a six-figure sum to members of Marvin Gaye’s family in order to preempt a copyright infringement showdown, but the family turned it down.

According to sources knowledgeable with the lawsuit, the settlement offer came after Frankie Christian Gaye, Marvin Gaye III and Nona Marvisa Gaye accused Thicke’s “Blurred Lines” hit single of plagiarizing “Got To Give it Up,” written and composed by Marvin Gaye, who died in 1984.

Subsequently, Thicke, along with “Blurred Lines” co-writers Pharrell Williams and Clifford Harris, Jr. (T.I.), filed a lawsuit on Aug. 15 in U.S. District Court in Los Angeles requesting a ruling that “Blurred Lines” does not infringe on “Got To Give It Up.” It also requested a similar judgment with regard to another accusation, by Bridgeport Music Inc., that “Blurred Lines” infringed on George Clinton’s “Sexy Ways.” [Scroll down to listen.]

In an interview with TMZ, Gaye’s son, Marvin Gaye III said, “We’re not happy with the way that he went about doing business let alone suing us for something where he clearly got his inspiration from at the least.”

During an interview with GQ magazine in May about his career and the making of “Blurred Lines,” Thicke said, “one of my favorite songs of all time was Marvin Gaye’s ‘Got to Give It Up.’ I was like, ‘Damn, we should make something like that, something with that groove.’ Then he started playing a little something and we literally wrote the song in about a half hour and recorded it. The whole thing was done in a couple hours.”

Thicke’s lawsuit said the “intent in producing ‘Blurred Lines’ was to evoke an era. In reality, the Gaye defendants are claiming ownership of an entire genre…. The reality is that the songs themselves are starkly different.”

Are they?

Billboard asked Ron Sadoff, a professor at New York University’s Steinhardt School and Director of Programs in Scoring for Film and Multimedia and Songwriting at Steinhardt’s Department of Music and Performing Arts Professions, for his opinion.

“Thicke’s ‘Blurred Lines’ may have been inspired by Marvin Gaye’s ‘Got to Give It Up,’ but the songs’ respective ‘touch and feel,’ as well as their use of structural musical materials, are common to many popular songs,” Sadoff said. “From a musicological perspective, the songs share even less similarities in terms of their use of structural materials such as melody and harmony. ‘Blurred Lines’ is composed squarely within the major mode, while ‘Got To Give It Up’ revolves around the blues scale. In this key area of melodic content, there doesn’t appear to be evidence that would suggest plagiarism on the part of Robin Thicke.”

Its heating up as the truth comes out!!!

eye will ALWAYS think of prince like a "ACT OF GOD"! N another realm. eye mean of all people who might of been aliens or angels.if found out that prince wasn't of this earth, eye would not have been that surprised. R.I.P. prince
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Reply #327 posted 08/23/13 1:21pm

novabrkr

Well, shame on them if they rejected a six figure offer. That sounds about right for the amount of "inspiration" the song has taken from Marvin's song.

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Reply #328 posted 08/23/13 1:34pm

Musicslave

Did Robin give credit to Marvin Gaye for his "Love After War" and another song that samples or interpolates from Marvin's "Trouble Man" in his album credits?

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I find this quote pretty damaging: "During an interview with GQ magazine in May about his career and the making of “Blurred Lines,” Thicke said, “one of my favorite songs of all time was Marvin Gaye’s ‘Got to Give It Up.’ I was like, ‘Damn, we should make something like that, something with that groove.’ Then he started playing a little something and we literally wrote the song in about a half hour and recorded it. The whole thing was done in a couple hours.”

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At one point does interpolation becomes a violation? What's the measuring stick? Anybody familiar with past legal precedent in this regards?

[Edited 8/23/13 13:40pm]

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Reply #329 posted 08/23/13 1:55pm

SoulAlive

Billboard asked Ron Sadoff, a professor at New York University’s Steinhardt School and Director of Programs in Scoring for Film and Multimedia and Songwriting at Steinhardt’s Department of Music and Performing Arts Professions, for his opinion.

“Thicke’s ‘Blurred Lines’ may have been inspired by Marvin Gaye’s ‘Got to Give It Up,’ but the songs’ respective ‘touch and feel,’ as well as their use of structural musical materials, are common to many popular songs,” Sadoff said. “From a musicological perspective, the songs share even less similarities in terms of their use of structural materials such as melody and harmony. ‘Blurred Lines’ is composed squarely within the major mode, while ‘Got To Give It Up’ revolves around the blues scale. In this key area of melodic content, there doesn’t appear to be evidence that would suggest plagiarism on the part of Robin Thicke.”

I really don't think that the Gaye family would have an easy time proving that Robin plagiarized the Marvin Gaye track.The song was obviously inspired by GTGIU,but that's where it ends.

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