People bitch all the time about Prince's output, or certain artists in certain decades, like the Rolling Stones in the 80's or McCartney or Elton John in the 80's etc....but at least all of these artists at some point said "Go to basics again" though Prince never says those things we know he thinks them, MARIAH is freaking stuck so bad on herself its making me sick and i have dug her since day one, but honestly for over a decade now, its been nonsense, with the exception of the "change" with the GLITTER soundtrack where she sought of went a little left, she never has strayed from that blueprint which now isnt even getting her what she claims she has....SMASH HITS.

I caught about 10 minutes of the 4th of July show on NBC or whatever network, and there it was again, BS, even more now, the bullshit is growing as the music and charts totally evade her. This time her husband Nick was co-hosting, and bad enough he was in an all white Tuxedo looking like that dude on the 7UP commercials 3 decades ago, but he introduced her as the "Biggest Selling artist of all time" which is beyond a Lie, i heard it and went WHAT? even my mom said WHAT? and then introduced the song "Beautiful" as being a smash hit? really? where? I mean i dont care if people wanna HYPE themselves, at least make it somewhat truthful. Mariah is not even close to being the BIGGEST SELLING ARTIST OF ALL TIME, shes not even the biggest selling female of all time. PLEASE already

And for those who are caring, the new album was introduced as "Coming Soon" which is code word for "PUSHED BACK" sorry peeps looking for this album, its gonna be awhile

I couldn't give two craps about Mariah or her new project. But your post definitely is awesome.

"...that dude on the 7UP commercials 3 decades ago..."

Lammastide said:

I couldn't give two craps about Mariah or her new project. But your post definitely is awesome.

"...that dude on the 7UP commercials 3 decades ago..."

Yeah the bald guy with the laugh, classic! Nick had this smirk on his face like "am i really calling my wife the biggest selling artist of all time?"

I also watched the 4th of July special, just so I could watch Mariah and it was embarassing. What is happening to her?? Does anyone know?? Why is she cheesy as hell when she performs and over doing it, with smiling and trying to be flirty and cute. It looks so unnatural and forced. My husband was like "could she be any more cheesy"? Why does she insist on sitting down during that song? It's weird and distracting. I wonder what Miguel thinks?? I agree it may be quite some time before that album drops. She needs to sort herself out or her career will be down the drain and I love me some Mimi but she needs a performance make over.

Last time i cared about Mariah was when i saw her on Entertainment tonight before her debut album was released.. I thought she had a great voice.. as soon as the cheesy music started getting released i lost all interest.

Mariah is a very talented artist,but she annoys me to no end She's extremely vain and "diva-ish" and as an artist,she has been on auto-pilot for years.Wouldn't it be nice if she would drop the theatrics,go into the studio with a "real" producer,stay away from a hip-hop sound,and concentrate on making real music again?

SoulAlive said:

Mariah is a very talented artist,but she annoys me to no end She's extremely vain and "diva-ish" and as an artist,she has been on auto-pilot for years.Wouldn't it be nice if she would drop the theatrics,go into the studio with a "real" producer,stay away from a hip-hop sound,and concentrate on making real music again?

For someone who "couldn't give two craps about Mariah."I do feel a bit silly posting again here. But I think you're absolutely correct. She's got one of the most unique voices in modern times, and she's chosen for the better part of her career to waste it on one forgettable sound de jour after the next -- all wrapped in a horribly embarrassing sex kitten veneer. I'd love to see her finally grow up and give us something that peers and more junior acts might hear and earnestly be challenged in topping artistically.

This thread is extremely entertaining. I thought I was the only one who feels like Mariah's been full of shit for the past decade and half or so.

Tell me why I can still listen to "Vision of Love" and "Emotions" right now and rock it like it was just released yesterday?

I didn't watch the Macy's 4th of July thingy, but from LastDecember's description of how he announced her, that just seems like the most hilarious thing.

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When your main competition are media hogs like Beyonce and Rhianna who continuously regurgitate the same, hideous, techno/pop-dance drudge, Mimi has absolutely no reason to be serious with her music. The general public isn't interested in women who can SANG. Those days are long gone. They only care about the beat and what so and so is wearing. If Mimi goes back to basics, people are going to label her as "boring" and "old-fashioned", just like they did in the beginning when she was a serious singer. I remember back in the early 90's people were complaining, "She's so dull. She just stands there and sings", like that was such a horrible thing to do instead of bouncing around, spinning on her head, and lip-synching like her peers. Now, that she is acting like her peers, people are complaining about that.


By singing dumb, forgettable songs featuring the rapper of the month, she's giving the public and the label exacltly what they want, except her drudge won't sell as well because she's not 25 anymore. Record Execs decide what they are going to feed us. When (if) the record industry decides they want to go back to music with substance and make the voice the center of attention, only then will Mimi be forced to go back to basics and to take her craft seriously again.

Chante Moore, who should be Mimi's real competition, is releasing a CD later this month. I'm sure she will actually be singing grown-up music with substance. I'd be surprised if the album even charts. The general public just don't want to hear music like that anymore.

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kitbradley said:

When your main competition are media hogs like Beyonce and Rhianna who continuously regurgitate the same, hideous, techno/pop-dance drudge, Mimi has absolutely no reason to be serious with her music. The general public isn't interested in women who can SANG. Those days are long gone. They only care about the beat and what so and so is wearing. If Mimi goes back to basics, people are going to label her as "boring" and "old-fashioned", just like they did in the beginning when she was a serious singer. I remember back in the early 90's people were complaining, "She's so dull. She just stands there and sings", like that was such a horrible thing to do instead of bouncing around, spinning on her head, and lip-synching like her peers. Now, that she is acting like her peers, people are complaining about that.


By singing dumb, forgettable songs featuring the rapper of the month, she's giving the public and the label exacltly what they want, except her drudge won't sell as well because she's not 25 anymore. Record Execs decide what they are going to feed us. When (if) the record industry decides they want to go back to music with substance and make the voice the center of attention, only then will Mimi be forced to go back to basics and to take her craft seriously again.

Chante Moore, who should be Mimi's real competition, is releasing a CD later this month. I'm sure she will actually be singing grown-up music with substance. I'd be surprised if the album even charts. The general public just don't want to hear music like that anymore.

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Sadly, I think you're right!

kitbradley said:

When your main competition are media hogs like Beyonce and Rhianna who continuously regurgitate the same, hideous, techno/pop-dance drudge, Mimi has absolutely no reason to be serious with her music. The general public isn't interested in women who can SANG. Those days are long gone. They only care about the beat and what so and so is wearing. If Mimi goes back to basics, people are going to label her as "boring" and "old-fashioned", just like they did in the beginning when she was a serious singer. I remember back in the early 90's people were complaining, "She's so dull. She just stands there and sings", like that was such a horrible thing to do instead of bouncing around, spinning on her head, and lip-synching like her peers. Now, that she is acting like her peers, people are complaining about that.


By singing dumb, forgettable songs featuring the rapper of the month, she's giving the public and the label exacltly what they want, except her drudge won't sell as well because she's not 25 anymore. Record Execs decide what they are going to feed us. When (if) the record industry decides they want to go back to music with substance and make the voice the center of attention, only then will Mimi be forced to go back to basics and to take her craft seriously again.

Chante Moore, who should be Mimi's real competition, is releasing a CD later this month. I'm sure she will actually be singing grown-up music with substance. I'd be surprised if the album even charts. The general public just don't want to hear music like that anymore.

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So sad but unfortunately very true

kitbradley said:

Chante Moore, who should be Mimi's real competition, is releasing a CD later this month. I'm sure she will actually be singing grown-up music with substance. I'd be surprised if the album even charts. The general public just don't want to hear music like that anymore.

I love Chante Moore.She's a very underrated artist.She tried the whole hip-hop/commercial R&B thing on her fourth album,but she realized that it wasn't the right direction.She went back to the jazzy,Quiet Storm sound that we heard on her first two albums.Smart move.It's too bad that Mariah can't do the same.Unlike Chante,Mariah has a huge,loyal mainstream audience.They would probably buy anything she releases,so it's not like she would ruin her career by going back to basics.Instead,she'd rather keep making these lame hip-hop tracks with guest rappers.Smh

missfee said:

Tell me why I can still listen to "Vision of Love" and "Emotions" right now and rock it like it was just released yesterday?

another song that I really like from back then is "Can't Let Go" Not a fan of her recent work.The last good song I heard from her was "Fly Like A Bird".That song is wonderful.

kitbradley said:

When your main competition are media hogs like Beyonce and Rhianna who continuously regurgitate the same, hideous, techno/pop-dance drudge, Mimi has absolutely no reason to be serious with her music. The general public isn't interested in women who can SANG. Those days are long gone. They only care about the beat and what so and so is wearing. If Mimi goes back to basics, people are going to label her as "boring" and "old-fashioned", just like they did in the beginning when she was a serious singer. I remember back in the early 90's people were complaining, "She's so dull. She just stands there and sings", like that was such a horrible thing to do instead of bouncing around, spinning on her head, and lip-synching like her peers. Now, that she is acting like her peers, people are complaining about that.


By singing dumb, forgettable songs featuring the rapper of the month, she's giving the public and the label exacltly what they want, except her drudge won't sell as well because she's not 25 anymore. Record Execs decide what they are going to feed us. When (if) the record industry decides they want to go back to music with substance and make the voice the center of attention, only then will Mimi be forced to go back to basics and to take her craft seriously again.

Chante Moore, who should be Mimi's real competition, is releasing a CD later this month. I'm sure she will actually be singing grown-up music with substance. I'd be surprised if the album even charts. The general public just don't want to hear music like that anymore.

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well this is true if we were talking about someone with NO PULL or say in their music or career, but this Mariah Carey the so called "biggest selling artist in history" according to her crack research PR team, or should i say ON CRACK team. Mariah can do what she wants, she was the one when under a big contract made the change from ballads to the whole remix with a rapper thing, it was a commercial decision as well as what she wanted. But now i dont get what she is doing, i havent gotten it in well over a decade. and the thing is that she is stuck with a 90's mindset, and its not sales though her decisions are always about what is going to be a hit rather than what she wants to do. its more that she will get that commercial thing back by jumping on with someone that is selling and having some chart success, and honestly, an artist does not need to do that. SO i think like i said in an earlier thread, Mariah is not the artist we think she is, she has sold, she has had some great songs here and there, but for the most part she isnt a "Artist" is the same vein as others that make artistic choices.

I'm not a Mariah fan. I haven't liked anything she has done since Glitter. But I like this new song that she does with Miguel. Ain't gonna buy it but I don't turn it off when it comes on the radio.

thedoorkeeper said:

I'm not a Mariah fan. I haven't liked anything she has done since Glitter. But I like this new song that she does with Miguel. Ain't gonna buy it but I don't turn it off when it comes on the radio.

I also like the new song. But she's ruining attention to it with all of her lunacy.

kitbradley said:

When your main competition are media hogs like Beyonce and Rhianna who continuously regurgitate the same, hideous, techno/pop-dance drudge, Mimi has absolutely no reason to be serious with her music. The general public isn't interested in women who can SANG. Those days are long gone. They only care about the beat and what so and so is wearing. If Mimi goes back to basics, people are going to label her as "boring" and "old-fashioned", just like they did in the beginning when she was a serious singer. I remember back in the early 90's people were complaining, "She's so dull. She just stands there and sings", like that was such a horrible thing to do instead of bouncing around, spinning on her head, and lip-synching like her peers. Now, that she is acting like her peers, people are complaining about that.


By singing dumb, forgettable songs featuring the rapper of the month, she's giving the public and the label exacltly what they want, except her drudge won't sell as well because she's not 25 anymore. Record Execs decide what they are going to feed us. When (if) the record industry decides they want to go back to music with substance and make the voice the center of attention, only then will Mimi be forced to go back to basics and to take her craft seriously again.

Chante Moore, who should be Mimi's real competition, is releasing a CD later this month. I'm sure she will actually be singing grown-up music with substance. I'd be surprised if the album even charts. The general public just don't want to hear music like that anymore.

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I see your point but I kinda disagree. I think the general public feeds into what is being shoved down their ears. They rely on the industry to tell them what music they should listen to. If the industry chooses to only support and push artists that make gimmicky music then the other artists that make artistic music is never going to be seen or exposed. How are people going to like an artist or a certain type of music if they have never been exposed to it? I think this point has some truth to it but I think the industry itself has more to do with that. They control who gets the hits, what songs get consistent radio spins, what artist gets proper promotion etc. There is more to this arguement besides the fact that "some might prefer dance music/ gimmicky music" If the radio and industry is just pushing Rihanna and Beyonce's TYPE of music then artists like Janelle Monae or Chante Moore dont have a chance because that is not the type of music the industry is pushing. Therefore, it would be much harder for the general public to be exposed to their music. That doesnt necessarily mean that the general public is not interested in that type of music.

To me, music is not even about music anymore. Its about image and marketing.

mjscarousal said:

kitbradley said:

When your main competition are media hogs like Beyonce and Rhianna who continuously regurgitate the same, hideous, techno/pop-dance drudge, Mimi has absolutely no reason to be serious with her music. The general public isn't interested in women who can SANG. Those days are long gone. They only care about the beat and what so and so is wearing. If Mimi goes back to basics, people are going to label her as "boring" and "old-fashioned", just like they did in the beginning when she was a serious singer. I remember back in the early 90's people were complaining, "She's so dull. She just stands there and sings", like that was such a horrible thing to do instead of bouncing around, spinning on her head, and lip-synching like her peers. Now, that she is acting like her peers, people are complaining about that.


By singing dumb, forgettable songs featuring the rapper of the month, she's giving the public and the label exacltly what they want, except her drudge won't sell as well because she's not 25 anymore. Record Execs decide what they are going to feed us. When (if) the record industry decides they want to go back to music with substance and make the voice the center of attention, only then will Mimi be forced to go back to basics and to take her craft seriously again.

Chante Moore, who should be Mimi's real competition, is releasing a CD later this month. I'm sure she will actually be singing grown-up music with substance. I'd be surprised if the album even charts. The general public just don't want to hear music like that anymore.

[Edited 7/6/13 21:03pm]

I see your point but I kinda disagree. I think the general public feeds into what is being shoved down their ears. They rely on the industry to tell them what music they should listen to. If the industry chooses to only support and push artists that make gimmicky music then the other artists that make artistic music is never going to be seen or exposed. How are people going to like an artist or a certain type of music if they have never been exposed to it? I think this point has some truth to it but I think the industry itself has more to do with that. They control who gets the hits, what songs get consistent radio spins, what artist gets proper promotion etc. There is more to this arguement besides the fact that "some might prefer dance music/ gimmicky music" If the radio and industry is just pushing Rihanna and Beyonce's TYPE of music then artists like Janelle Monae or Chante Moore dont have a chance because that is not the type of music the industry is pushing. Therefore, it would be much harder for the general public to be exposed to their music. That doesnt necessarily mean that the general public is not interested in that type of music.

To me, music is not even about music anymore. Its about image and marketing.

its basically all of this. The public cant get a pass on the fact that a good number of them really want the simple stuff the typical stuff etc.... Its really all a domino effect from going digital, the iternet and focusing just on singles. TO ME the idea that artists now are just going to do a single and not a record, who is growing from that??? I get the whole "there is good music you have to look" i have heard this so long and i often think people say it to really try and convince themselves its really true. But the Mariah situation is different cause she isnt Rihanna who really cant make that drastic change because there is nothing for Rihanna to revert too. For Mariah she calls the shots, yeah she is on a label but she has more money and pull than every label combined, she can make any type of music she wants, hire fire whomever she wants, basically we we are just seeing her LIMITS that have always been there.

lastdecember said:

mjscarousal said:

I see your point but I kinda disagree. I think the general public feeds into what is being shoved down their ears. They rely on the industry to tell them what music they should listen to. If the industry chooses to only support and push artists that make gimmicky music then the other artists that make artistic music is never going to be seen or exposed. How are people going to like an artist or a certain type of music if they have never been exposed to it? I think this point has some truth to it but I think the industry itself has more to do with that. They control who gets the hits, what songs get consistent radio spins, what artist gets proper promotion etc. There is more to this arguement besides the fact that "some might prefer dance music/ gimmicky music" If the radio and industry is just pushing Rihanna and Beyonce's TYPE of music then artists like Janelle Monae or Chante Moore dont have a chance because that is not the type of music the industry is pushing. Therefore, it would be much harder for the general public to be exposed to their music. That doesnt necessarily mean that the general public is not interested in that type of music.

To me, music is not even about music anymore. Its about image and marketing.

its basically all of this. The public cant get a pass on the fact that a good number of them really want the simple stuff the typical stuff etc.... Its really all a domino effect from going digital, the iternet and focusing just on singles. TO ME the idea that artists now are just going to do a single and not a record, who is growing from that??? I get the whole "there is good music you have to look" i have heard this so long and i often think people say it to really try and convince themselves its really true. But the Mariah situation is different cause she isnt Rihanna who really cant make that drastic change because there is nothing for Rihanna to revert too. For Mariah she calls the shots, yeah she is on a label but she has more money and pull than every label combined, she can make any type of music she wants, hire fire whomever she wants, basically we we are just seeing her LIMITS that have always been there.

I think this is true but for the average person it isnt. The average person is not going to try to look up some obscure artist just to hear something different. Most people rely on the radio or what is popular. Its just sad how people are so easily manipulated into believing something is good when it really isnt.

I like Mariah (mostly her 90s material thats it). She is a great singer but Ive never thought of her more than just that. I know she has some writing credits for her 90s works but I just never thought of her as a serious artist. She seems to only care about the hits and staying relevant. She has the classics, the voice, the hits etc Never understood why an artist on her level has to revert to doing things beneath her.

u jknow she in trouble when people mainly focus on the weight issues

The lipsyncing has to stop!

Faking those high notes like she used to do on "We Belong Together".

She didn't sing one note on the BET Awards, still acting as unnatural onstage as ever.

The funny thing is I like the song, even if it is more of a Miguel song then hers.

mjscarousal said:

kitbradley said:

When your main competition are media hogs like Beyonce and Rhianna who continuously regurgitate the same, hideous, techno/pop-dance drudge, Mimi has absolutely no reason to be serious with her music. The general public isn't interested in women who can SANG. Those days are long gone. They only care about the beat and what so and so is wearing. If Mimi goes back to basics, people are going to label her as "boring" and "old-fashioned", just like they did in the beginning when she was a serious singer. I remember back in the early 90's people were complaining, "She's so dull. She just stands there and sings", like that was such a horrible thing to do instead of bouncing around, spinning on her head, and lip-synching like her peers. Now, that she is acting like her peers, people are complaining about that.


By singing dumb, forgettable songs featuring the rapper of the month, she's giving the public and the label exacltly what they want, except her drudge won't sell as well because she's not 25 anymore. Record Execs decide what they are going to feed us. When (if) the record industry decides they want to go back to music with substance and make the voice the center of attention, only then will Mimi be forced to go back to basics and to take her craft seriously again.

Chante Moore, who should be Mimi's real competition, is releasing a CD later this month. I'm sure she will actually be singing grown-up music with substance. I'd be surprised if the album even charts. The general public just don't want to hear music like that anymore.

[Edited 7/6/13 21:03pm]

I see your point but I kinda disagree. I think the general public feeds into what is being shoved down their ears. They rely on the industry to tell them what music they should listen to. If the industry chooses to only support and push artists that make gimmicky music then the other artists that make artistic music is never going to be seen or exposed. How are people going to like an artist or a certain type of music if they have never been exposed to it? I think this point has some truth to it but I think the industry itself has more to do with that. They control who gets the hits, what songs get consistent radio spins, what artist gets proper promotion etc. There is more to this arguement besides the fact that "some might prefer dance music/ gimmicky music" If the radio and industry is just pushing Rihanna and Beyonce's TYPE of music then artists like Janelle Monae or Chante Moore dont have a chance because that is not the type of music the industry is pushing. Therefore, it would be much harder for the general public to be exposed to their music. That doesnt necessarily mean that the general public is not interested in that type of music.

To me, music is not even about music anymore. Its about image and marketing.

I'm going to use this very board as a prime example of how the industry and radio dictates who we should be paying attention to. When I or someone else post about new releases from more traditional, mature artists like Chante Moore, Rahsaan Patterson, Ledisi, etc, the threads barely get any views/responses. But, let someone post about some new, loud, thrashing, computer-enhanced releases from Beyonce, Rhiannia, Chris Brown, Justin Timberlake, Justin Bieber or whomever else is popular these days, those are the threads that will get the most views/responses because, whether positive or negative, those are the "singers" the majority are interested in because they are young, trendy and the media tells us those are the "in" people we should be paying attention to.

If I post right now two separate threads, one saying Eric Benet is going to release a new album next month and another thread saying Chris Brown is releasing a new album next month, which thread do you think is going to spark the most interest?

mjscarousal said:

lastdecember said:

its basically all of this. The public cant get a pass on the fact that a good number of them really want the simple stuff the typical stuff etc.... Its really all a domino effect from going digital, the iternet and focusing just on singles. TO ME the idea that artists now are just going to do a single and not a record, who is growing from that??? I get the whole "there is good music you have to look" i have heard this so long and i often think people say it to really try and convince themselves its really true. But the Mariah situation is different cause she isnt Rihanna who really cant make that drastic change because there is nothing for Rihanna to revert too. For Mariah she calls the shots, yeah she is on a label but she has more money and pull than every label combined, she can make any type of music she wants, hire fire whomever she wants, basically we we are just seeing her LIMITS that have always been there.

I think this is true but for the average person it isnt. The average person is not going to try to look up some obscure artist just to hear something different. Most people rely on the radio or what is popular. Its just sad how people are so easily manipulated into believing something is good when it really isnt.

I like Mariah (mostly her 90s material thats it). She is a great singer but Ive never thought of her more than just that. I know she has some writing credits for her 90s works but I just never thought of her as a serious artist. She seems to only care about the hits and staying relevant. She has the classics, the voice, the hits etc Never understood why an artist on her level has to revert to doing things beneath her.

oh that is SO SO TRUE had this debate with someone the other day, and i know its a whole other topic, but i had to school them on the switch from albums to cd to digital and its not so much the loss in quality of sound, which i know the average person doesnt give a shit about i get all that lol, but what is really lost is "who played on that record" "whos doing backing vocals etc" and things like artwork, and this person then tells me well "u download that from itunes etc..." and im like, WHO the hell has that time and patience, and also you are bringing so many things into the mix, with downloading your computer better be quick or you are screwed, then there is your printer the artwork the paper this and that, where do you store it, to me its not a bother, i got the new julian lennon this way cause its only digital, and printed it out made a nice book, but shit if you think that 90% of consumers are going to do this you are smoking is what i told him. Thats my issue, honestly i could say i played on the new Aerosmith album, whos gonna check?

As for Mariah i think people want her to be someone she just isnt, Elton John's new album is him and a piano NO BAND at all, something he hasnt done in almost...well actually hes always had some band behind him, Mariah is not going to make a record like that.

kitbradley said:

mjscarousal said:

I see your point but I kinda disagree. I think the general public feeds into what is being shoved down their ears. They rely on the industry to tell them what music they should listen to. If the industry chooses to only support and push artists that make gimmicky music then the other artists that make artistic music is never going to be seen or exposed. How are people going to like an artist or a certain type of music if they have never been exposed to it? I think this point has some truth to it but I think the industry itself has more to do with that. They control who gets the hits, what songs get consistent radio spins, what artist gets proper promotion etc. There is more to this arguement besides the fact that "some might prefer dance music/ gimmicky music" If the radio and industry is just pushing Rihanna and Beyonce's TYPE of music then artists like Janelle Monae or Chante Moore dont have a chance because that is not the type of music the industry is pushing. Therefore, it would be much harder for the general public to be exposed to their music. That doesnt necessarily mean that the general public is not interested in that type of music.

To me, music is not even about music anymore. Its about image and marketing.

I'm going to use this very board as a prime example of how the industry and radio dictates who we should be paying attention to. When I or someone else post about new releases from more traditional, mature artists like Chante Moore, Rahsaan Patterson, Ledisi, etc, the threads barely get any views/responses. But, let someone post about some new, loud, thrashing, computer-enhanced releases from Beyonce, Rhiannia, Chris Brown, Justin Timberlake, Justin Bieber or whomever else is popular these days, those are the threads that will get the most views/responses because, whether positive or negative, those are the "singers" the majority are interested in because they are young, trendy and the media tells us those are the "in" people we should be paying attention to.

If I post right now two separate threads, one saying Eric Benet is going to release a new album next month and another thread saying Chris Brown is releasing a new album next month, which thread do you think is going to spark the most interest?

True.

However, I dont think that was a good and fair analogy but I get your point.

I dont think this board is a good example because this board caters to whats popular and gossiping about whats popular (It use to not be that way but thats what it is now ). Most of these threads are not even about music. For the majority, the gossip discussions does not reflect their actual music taste here. The people here may gossip about these artists but their not going out their way to buy their CD's or watch them on an award show (and yea that makes a difference). Just because someone may talk about a pop star doesnt necessarily mean their a big fan because we also have to remember this is a discussion board too. If you go to sites like Okayplayer or Marvin Gaye forums etc etc AND etc.... you would NEVER or HARDLY EVER see a Beyonce, Rihanna, Chris Brown or Justin Timberlake thread.

So I dont think its fair to use this forum to reflect the mindset of how every person feels because everybody does not feel the same way. I know tons of people who dont listen to the radio or look at award shows and couldnt name one Rihanna, Beyonce or Justin Timberlake song. For the people who CARE about the kool aid thats what important to them but not everyone drinks the kool aid (always remember that). There are alot more people than what you think that just want to listen to good quality music.

lastdecember said:

People bitch all the time about Prince's output, or certain artists in certain decades, like the Rolling Stones in the 80's or McCartney or Elton John in the 80's etc....but at least all of these artists at some point said "Go to basics again" though Prince never says those things we know he thinks them, MARIAH is freaking stuck so bad on herself its making me sick and i have dug her since day one, but honestly for over a decade now, its been nonsense, with the exception of the "change" with the GLITTER soundtrack where she sought of went a little left, she never has strayed from that blueprint which now isnt even getting her what she claims she has....SMASH HITS.

I caught about 10 minutes of the 4th of July show on NBC or whatever network, and there it was again, BS, even more now, the bullshit is growing as the music and charts totally evade her. This time her husband Nick was co-hosting, and bad enough he was in an all white Tuxedo looking like that dude on the 7UP commercials 3 decades ago, but he introduced her as the "Biggest Selling artist of all time" which is beyond a Lie, i heard it and went WHAT? even my mom said WHAT? and then introduced the song "Beautiful" as being a smash hit? really? where? I mean i dont care if people wanna HYPE themselves, at least make it somewhat truthful. Mariah is not even close to being the BIGGEST SELLING ARTIST OF ALL TIME, shes not even the biggest selling female of all time. PLEASE already

And for those who are caring, the new album was introduced as "Coming Soon" which is code word for "PUSHED BACK" sorry peeps looking for this album, its gonna be awhile

I know I am late but I thought this post was hilarious

lastdecember said:

mjscarousal said:

I think this is true but for the average person it isnt. The average person is not going to try to look up some obscure artist just to hear something different. Most people rely on the radio or what is popular. Its just sad how people are so easily manipulated into believing something is good when it really isnt.

I like Mariah (mostly her 90s material thats it). She is a great singer but Ive never thought of her more than just that. I know she has some writing credits for her 90s works but I just never thought of her as a serious artist. She seems to only care about the hits and staying relevant. She has the classics, the voice, the hits etc Never understood why an artist on her level has to revert to doing things beneath her.

oh that is SO SO TRUE had this debate with someone the other day, and i know its a whole other topic, but i had to school them on the switch from albums to cd to digital and its not so much the loss in quality of sound, which i know the average person doesnt give a shit about i get all that lol, but what is really lost is "who played on that record" "whos doing backing vocals etc" and things like artwork, and this person then tells me well "u download that from itunes etc..." and im like, WHO the hell has that time and patience, and also you are bringing so many things into the mix, with downloading your computer better be quick or you are screwed, then there is your printer the artwork the paper this and that, where do you store it, to me its not a bother, i got the new julian lennon this way cause its only digital, and printed it out made a nice book, but shit if you think that 90% of consumers are going to do this you are smoking is what i told him. Thats my issue, honestly i could say i played on the new Aerosmith album, whos gonna check?

As for Mariah i think people want her to be someone she just isnt, Elton John's new album is him and a piano NO BAND at all, something he hasnt done in almost...well actually hes always had some band behind him, Mariah is not going to make a record like that.

LOL!!! love it! Tell us how you really feel? lol

I agree... but I also think Mariah is just trying to be something that she isnt.

Just glad I have a brain and it actually functions. I dont feed into that crap. I dont have time to wait on a singer who just wants to make kiddy songs to stay relevant. I love Janet but thats why I didnt buy her last CD. I just cant support that. I cant get into it. I rather support an artist/singer who really wants to give me quality music whether their a new singer or an old singer. I dont pay attention to those singers who are stuck with what works for them instead of pushing themselves creatively.

kitbradley said:

When your main competition are media hogs like Beyonce and Rhianna who continuously regurgitate the same, hideous, techno/pop-dance drudge, Mimi has absolutely no reason to be serious with her music. The general public isn't interested in women who can SANG. Those days are long gone. They only care about the beat and what so and so is wearing. If Mimi goes back to basics, people are going to label her as "boring" and "old-fashioned", just like they did in the beginning when she was a serious singer. I remember back in the early 90's people were complaining, "She's so dull. She just stands there and sings", like that was such a horrible thing to do instead of bouncing around, spinning on her head, and lip-synching like her peers. Now, that she is acting like her peers, people are complaining about that.

[Edited 7/6/13 21:03pm]

Okay, but in performances I've seen recently she's just standing (or sitting) and lip-synching. She got the lip-synching, but didn't give us anything to watch instead of her lips out of synch.

Not that I want her to do any "being sexy" because she really is bad at it. Let's assume it's that she's uncomfortable, and her attempts at dancing have been poor--so I get her not wanting to do that. But if she's going to be still, she needs to go back to singing. A missed note at least means her supporters can say--"She's SINGING." Now they have nothing really to say. And since she isn't getting chart success, she might as well go for some credibility. After her months on Idol (where she never said a single thing worth listening to), she needs to remind people she has some idea what music is.

I like "Beautiful"--when Miguel's singing and she isn't. I can't stand anything she does on that track.

lastdecember said:

oh that is SO SO TRUE had this debate with someone the other day, and i know its a whole other topic, but i had to school them on the switch from albums to cd to digital and its not so much the loss in quality of sound, which i know the average person doesnt give a shit about i get all that lol, but what is really lost is "who played on that record" "whos doing backing vocals etc" and things like artwork, and this person then tells me well "u download that from itunes etc..." and im like, WHO the hell has that time and patience, and also you are bringing so many things into the mix, with downloading your computer better be quick or you are screwed, then there is your printer the artwork the paper this and that, where do you store it, to me its not a bother, i got the new julian lennon this way cause its only digital, and printed it out made a nice book, but shit if you think that 90% of consumers are going to do this you are smoking is what i told him. Thats my issue, honestly i could say i played on the new Aerosmith album, whos gonna check?

As for Mariah i think people want her to be someone she just isnt, Elton John's new album is him and a piano NO BAND at all, something he hasnt done in almost...well actually hes always had some band behind him, Mariah is not going to make a record like that.

Wow--you played on the new Aerosmith album!!! That's so cool!!!

Yeah, I know what you mean. I loved reading every single credit on my older albums, making connections, noticing familiar names on what I thought were very different releases. It gives you a sense of the broader music world. Of course, the fact is that people don't just care about a loss of sound quality--hardly anyone cares about credits or artwork either, and most never did. They want to hear the hook on a new song, they want to hear it all the time for a month or two, and then they want not to have to keep track of the physical object at any time at all, and certainly not after they played out the one song they like by the artist anyway. The fact is most people were always singles listeners, and they still are. It's just easier for them to amass large amounts of single songs now than it ever was before. Digital's great for most people. I would really love to have a huge record store to lose myself in rows and rows of vinyl, and then, after an hour or two, to bring some new finds home to a room with nothing in it but a stereo and walls full of albums. But the stores aren't there and I never seem to have gotten that room, and that's life.

kitbradley said: