To have one of two D'Angelo albums and all but ONE of TTD's says otherwise. and saw TTD twice, once in quite the intimate venue (St. Andrew's Hall in Detroit) when Vibrator was just out.

luvsexy4all said:

anyone know about the supposed 1991 album he recorded and never released? in between fish and symphony

It was called Solar Return, which became Wildcard.

Symphony or Damn is on of my fave albums from anyone. Not a bad track on there. Wildcard, Fish nor Flesh, and Introducing the Hardline are all great albums too. I don't know why but never connected with Vibrator. I dig a few tracks but as a whole it doesn't work for me.

datdude said:

To have one of two D'Angelo albums and all but ONE of TTD's says otherwise.

Eh, knowing half of a discography as small as D'Angelo's doesn't qualify as a lot.

I find NFNF to be clearly the weakest of the TTD albums. I appreciate what he was going for, but I don't think he hit the mark as often as he did on the other releases. That being said, when he does — like on "To Know Someone Deeply..." and "I Don't Want to Bring..." — it's excellent.

alls i'm saying is for me, D's output doesn't justify his hype. TTD had/has me perpetually interested since Hardline, i HAD NFNF in hand once but opted for some obscure Prince boot at the time instead.

datdude said:

alls i'm saying is for me, D's output doesn't justify his hype. TTD had/has me perpetually interested since Hardline, i HAD NFNF in hand once but opted for some obscure Prince boot at the time instead.

I followed what you wrote, I just found it puzzling. IMO, making some kind of judgment of D'Angelo's worth without even listening to Voodoo is akin to dismissing Stevie without hearing anything after Signed, Sealed & Delivered or the Beatles after Help! ... but to each his own.

JoeBala said:

luvsexy4all said:

anyone know about the supposed 1991 album he recorded and never released? in between fish and symphony

It was called Solar Return, which became Wildcard.

no....i cant rememmber where i heard this ....another lp after NFNF but BEFORE symphony

AlexdeParis said:

datdude said:

alls i'm saying is for me, D's output doesn't justify his hype. TTD had/has me perpetually interested since Hardline, i HAD NFNF in hand once but opted for some obscure Prince boot at the time instead.

I followed what you wrote, I just found it puzzling. IMO, making some kind of judgment of D'Angelo's worth without even listening to Voodoo is akin to dismissing Stevie without hearing anything after Signed, Sealed & Delivered or the Beatles after Help! ... but to each his own.

i disagree with your analogy. in both cases their catalogues are too extensive to be "out of the loop" or "uninformed" by missing ONE album. btw, what's your reason Voodoo didn't get the "traction" one normally associates with a "great" album? it was a different industry then and I don't take my cues as to what the "press" says (or else i'd be a Beatles fan...) but i'm just curious to your thoughts since Voodoo apparently was a "game changer" for him IYO. (the industry slept on Embrya at the time of its release and to me, its Maxwell's best work) i've heard stuff like, no "proper singles" and its to be "experienced" as one piece of work, like a "movement" or something...

perhaps this will seal the deal for you regarding my 'musical acumen', even without listening to ONE Beatles album at all (i've only heard random singles here and there when i was in some random place), i think they are the most overrated group ever and they do not pique my interest at all

datdude said:

AlexdeParis said:

I followed what you wrote, I just found it puzzling. IMO, making some kind of judgment of D'Angelo's worth without even listening to Voodoo is akin to dismissing Stevie without hearing anything after Signed, Sealed & Delivered or the Beatles after Help! ... but to each his own.

i disagree with your analogy. in both cases their catalogues are too extensive to be "out of the loop" or "uninformed" by missing ONE album.

I didn't say one album, I said everything after a particular album. The Stevie album I picked was the last one before he gained creative control over his career while the Beatles album was the last one before the beginning of their studio/experimental phase.

btw, what's your reason Voodoo didn't get the "traction" one normally associates with a "great" album? it was a different industry then and I don't take my cues as to what the "press" says (or else i'd be a Beatles fan...) but i'm just curious to your thoughts since Voodoo apparently was a "game changer" for him IYO. (the industry slept on Embrya at the time of its release and to me, its Maxwell's best work) i've heard stuff like, no "proper singles" and its to be "experienced" as one piece of work, like a "movement" or something...

Voodoo got plenty of traction. It was a commercial and critical success accompanied with near-universal acclaim.

perhaps this will seal the deal for you regarding my 'musical acumen', even without listening to ONE Beatles album at all (i've only heard random singles here and there when i was in some random place), i think they are the most overrated group ever and they do not pique my interest at all

I couldn't care less about your musical acumen. You like what you like and there's nothing wrong with that. While I do think it's silly to dislike what you haven't heard, that's also your prerogative.

I heard his last album a week ago, the Return to Zooathalon, he plays all instruments, and produce and composed all songs, I admire them, both Dangelo, as TTD, but TTD is well afront in artistic terms, him as an artist throughout his concept, he publishes videos that nobody sees, only few views, published writings that few people read, made ​​no return masterful, he simple came out of the focus of all, this guy got my respect, i know he will probably dont release nothing like Vibrator again, but he is what some artists shoud be when they got old.

Titally, an amazing voice and 3 killer albums. He still does remind me a lot of Prince and its natural a lot of Prince's fans who appreciated his Soul and R and B classics are going to have to look TTD as well. Vibrator is a very underated album, and Delicate is one of the most beautiful songs sung by anyone. And Introducing the Hardline according to Terence Trent D'arby is probably the finest debut album ever released after 1970 (It can not touch - Are you Experienced).

When did he start using a different name? I'm just learning about this, at least I don't recall any news about it. Seems a bit strange to me that he would do that. No wonder I was rthinking he had not released anything, because he wasn't going by TTD...?

AlexdeParis said:

I didn't say one album, I said everything after a particular album. The Stevie album I picked was the last one before he gained creative control over his career while the Beatles album was the last one before the beginning of their studio/experimental phase.

Right, so the little I heard from Voodoo, didn't pique my interest enough to dig deeper (same with the random Beatles songs) and from debut to sophomore album, it didn't seem like he crossed some musical chasm. Maybe he's crossed it now with James River

I guess the lack of subsequent singles after HDIF is what made it seem like the album didn't get much "chart/singles" traction but if print media didn't corroborate, I did hear lots of individuals who loved BS, bemoaning the album. He plays Detroit with Erykah in a couple of weeks, which is an awesome double bill, thinking about going, maybe he'll make me go see what i missed if i do

whats betrter Voodoo or ...one of the best cds of the 90's-- Symphony....

vandeluca said:

I love this guy (TTD/Sanandaya)...He has always been one of my favs but I am not srue about newer stuff.I think he just lives his normal life, married, kids, in Italy and just plays what he feels like. I always find myself on those first few albums...and there is a really good live London Show
(From the early mid 90's..think 95) floating on youtube under TTD or Sandaya I forget..but it's awesome. That guy has talent...

I was at that show. It was the summer of '95. Saw him two years earlier at the Brixton Academy too.

Hardline and Symphony were both incredible. I think Symphony's the best though. Incredible songs on there. Haven't heard anything past Vibrator though, apart from isolated tracks here and there (which have been weak). Will check out Wildcard when I get the chance.

As for D'Angelo, I know he's got his defenders here, but for me it was background music. Nice enough, but inessential.

Graycap23 said:

luvsexy4all said:

just finished listening to Neither Fish to Wild Card. Why does everyone praise this D'angelo character so much when T is so much better?

W A S better......is NOT.

Gray...what u think is better ? voodoo or symphony?