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Reply #30 posted 06/13/13 5:24am

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Kanye ain't nothing but a sampling whore.

That little bit of doggerel probably outstrips most of his "Musical" output

If you are looking at hip hop type dudes, Pharell and Will.I.Am far outstrip him and that rubber lipped dude married to Beyonce.

Of our time, maybe Madonna, she has endurability, but otherwise its Prince, he still around and he still making music.

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Reply #31 posted 06/13/13 5:45am

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Hmmmm..



Well, IMO musician is a term only used for those who have talent..

He may be able to write the rap, but in reality his presentation of it stinks!! Do I like some of his songs... Sure... But its everything thats going on around it, not his ablity to "talk" in a song... he collaberates with some good people which in turn makes him "seem" better than he is lol

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Reply #32 posted 06/13/13 6:22am

purple1968

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Critics admire his work all time

He easily makes it to the year-end lists of best albums/songs

He produces his own shit

So people pretty much say he's THE greatest musician of our time.

What is your opinion?

And if he wasn't, who is the greatest of our time then?!

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Reply #33 posted 06/13/13 6:27am

purple1968

Gunsnhalen said:

He is one of the best but Kanye is not really a musician per say... a great producer, writer and rapper yes but musician that is up for debate.

Also asking this question on the org is asking for trouble lol

Either way Kanye has taken more chances than any other rap artist of the last decade he did an album that sounds like a prog-rock hip-hop mesh, he has done political and social songs, songs about supporting gay rights, songs about his damaged love life and how being an asshole has fucked him with everyone around him.

He at leats is honest and his newer songs have sounded like a cross between NIN, Marilyn Manson and Radiohead.

He is more than just a hip-hop artist with all he has done and that will forever make him unique even if the org tries to pretend people like Kanye or Lady GaGa aren't talented.

We are not pretending they are not all that. If you think Lady GaGa or Kanye or going to have long time effects on popular music you are smoking crack. I think Prince is the best of his generation and these two have not done half of what he was doing at his age. These two cannot not match real talent from the 1960s put Kanye or GaGa in a room with Jimi Hendrix or Santana. Come back in 10 years and these two will be a distant memory.

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Reply #34 posted 06/13/13 7:12am

Graycap23

purple1968 said:

Gunsnhalen said:

He is one of the best but Kanye is not really a musician per say... a great producer, writer and rapper yes but musician that is up for debate.

Also asking this question on the org is asking for trouble lol

Either way Kanye has taken more chances than any other rap artist of the last decade he did an album that sounds like a prog-rock hip-hop mesh, he has done political and social songs, songs about supporting gay rights, songs about his damaged love life and how being an asshole has fucked him with everyone around him.

He at leats is honest and his newer songs have sounded like a cross between NIN, Marilyn Manson and Radiohead.

He is more than just a hip-hop artist with all he has done and that will forever make him unique even if the org tries to pretend people like Kanye or Lady GaGa aren't talented.

We are not pretending they are not all that. If you think Lady GaGa or Kanye or going to have long time effects on popular music you are smoking crack. I think Prince is the best of his generation and these two have not done half of what he was doing at his age. These two cannot not match real talent from the 1960s put Kanye or GaGa in a room with Jimi Hendrix or Santana. Come back in 10 years and these two will be a distant memory.

A distant memory? They are that in 2013 in my house.

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Reply #35 posted 06/13/13 7:44am

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Graycap23 said:

purple1968 said:

We are not pretending they are not all that. If you think Lady GaGa or Kanye or going to have long time effects on popular music you are smoking crack. I think Prince is the best of his generation and these two have not done half of what he was doing at his age. These two cannot not match real talent from the 1960s put Kanye or GaGa in a room with Jimi Hendrix or Santana. Come back in 10 years and these two will be a distant memory.

A distant memory? They are that in 2013 in my house.

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Reply #36 posted 06/13/13 7:48am

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purple1968 said:



Gunsnhalen said:


He is one of the best but Kanye is not really a musician per say... a great producer, writer and rapper yes but musician that is up for debate.

Also asking this question on the org is asking for trouble lol

Either way Kanye has taken more chances than any other rap artist of the last decade he did an album that sounds like a prog-rock hip-hop mesh, he has done political and social songs, songs about supporting gay rights, songs about his damaged love life and how being an asshole has fucked him with everyone around him.

He at leats is honest and his newer songs have sounded like a cross between NIN, Marilyn Manson and Radiohead.

He is more than just a hip-hop artist with all he has done and that will forever make him unique even if the org tries to pretend people like Kanye or Lady GaGa aren't talented.




We are not pretending they are not all that. If you think Lady GaGa or Kanye or going to have long time effects on popular music you are smoking crack. I think Prince is the best of his generation and these two have not done half of what he was doing at his age. These two cannot not match real talent from the 1960s put Kanye or GaGa in a room with Jimi Hendrix or Santana. Come back in 10 years and these two will be a distant memory.


You do realise the same was said about Prince that was said to Kanye?
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Reply #37 posted 06/13/13 8:46am

Gunsnhalen

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purple1968 said:

We are not pretending they are not all that. If you think Lady GaGa or Kanye or going to have long time effects on popular music you are smoking crack. I think Prince is the best of his generation and these two have not done half of what he was doing at his age. These two cannot not match real talent from the 1960s put Kanye or GaGa in a room with Jimi Hendrix or Santana. Come back in 10 years and these two will be a distant memory.

You do realise the same was said about Prince that was said to Kanye?

lol Kanye has had the most impact in hip-hop of the last 10 years and people said in 2005 he would be a nobody by 2007 and in 2009 said the same and now it is 2013 and people say the same.

I love music from all genres you know that but i sometimes get tired of the day to day comparisons of people on the org making to eras of the old confused

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Reply #38 posted 06/13/13 10:09am

namepeace

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I think the greatest musician of our time, seeing that he died in 1991, is Miles Davis. And

y'all may not like this, but Kanye could turn out to be just as influential as Davis was too:

you have to remember how powerul an art form hip hop is and recognize that Kanye is one

of the few who is realigning its boundaries.

The first question I had in this thread was defining what "our time" meant. Because a lot of orgers weren't around when Miles died, a definition can be problematic.

Indeed, Kanye could be just as influential as Miles. The ultimate judge will be history. Miles could be surly and arrogant as well, but that doesn't change the power of his music or his legacy. The same could very well happen to Kanye, because his impact and the quality of his work is undeniable.

To your point, a given Kanye album may not be Sgt. Pepper or Sign O' The Times to many folks, but is to many others, and it will be to others down the road. That's the flipside of this argument. He may not be a "musician" per se, but in terms of Kanye's influence it will be felt for a while to come.

[Edited 6/13/13 12:38pm]

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Reply #39 posted 06/13/13 10:09am

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Was this post started by a ten yr old?

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Reply #40 posted 06/13/13 11:40am

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He sucks and he's really dumb. But he has produced some good shit...here and there.

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Reply #41 posted 06/13/13 12:24pm

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In order to be the greatest musician, he have to actually be...you know...a musician. Which he isn't.
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Reply #42 posted 06/13/13 12:29pm

Graycap23

Genesia said:

In order to be the greatest musician, he have to actually be...you know...a musician. Which he isn't.

yeahthat

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Reply #43 posted 06/13/13 12:40pm

namepeace

Graycap23 said:

Genesia said:

In order to be the greatest musician, he have to actually be...you know...a musician. Which he isn't.

yeahthat

But even asking the question says a lot about today's music, dominated by so many non-musicians.

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Reply #44 posted 06/13/13 1:00pm

Graycap23

namepeace said:

Graycap23 said:

yeahthat

But even asking the question says a lot about today's music, dominated by so many non-musicians.

Why else would it sound so bland?

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Reply #45 posted 06/13/13 1:05pm

namepeace

Graycap23 said:

namepeace said:

But even asking the question says a lot about today's music, dominated by so many non-musicians.

Why else would it sound so bland?

*via autotune* A-a-a-mey-un . . .

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Reply #46 posted 06/13/13 1:05pm

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Farfunknugin said:

Was this post started by a ten yr old?

Have some respect, I started this for fun.. you either discuss something about the matter or simply get out.

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Reply #47 posted 06/13/13 1:20pm

Graycap23

namepeace said:

Graycap23 said:

Why else would it sound so bland?

*via autotune* A-a-a-mey-un . . .

lol..........

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Reply #48 posted 06/13/13 1:28pm

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No. He's an aweful lyricist disbelief

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Reply #49 posted 06/13/13 1:59pm

Gunsnhalen

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Farfunknugin said:

Was this post started by a ten yr old?

Have some respect, I started this for fun.. you either discuss something about the matter or simply get out.

You can't start these type of threads for fun because on the org people take this seriously lol

Either way i love just about all genres of music from the 20's to till now and the classical period, romantic period era etc.

Either way my point is i love Kanye! i love his albums, his productions and his stories. If people on the org actually listened to the entire MBDTF or Late Registration albums in full they would see he not only has ''musicians'' playing on the album. But he has great political and social commentary and i admire any artist who is so open about about how their love life and life in general is damaged from certain thing's so they act like an asshole and it hurts their relationships with others.

But people on the org just see yeezy as stupid, crazy, sampling and a bad lyricsts and are probably only going off songs like niggas in paris or Golddiger.

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Reply #50 posted 06/13/13 2:09pm

Gunsnhalen

Since you all are crazy about the ''sampling'' thing what about songs that have musicians playing on them? what about the ones where Kanye helped compose the orchestra for it...

Just saying y'all hate that he samples but what about the songs where he has musicians on it and even helped compose?





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Reply #51 posted 06/13/13 3:08pm

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Gunsnhalen said:

Shawy89 said:

Have some respect, I started this for fun.. you either discuss something about the matter or simply get out.

You can't start these type of threads for fun because on the org people take this seriously lol

Either way i love just about all genres of music from the 20's to till now and the classical period, romantic period era etc.

Either way my point is i love Kanye! i love his albums, his productions and his stories. If people on the org actually listened to the entire MBDTF or Late Registration albums in full they would see he not only has ''musicians'' playing on the album. But he has great political and social commentary and i admire any artist who is so open about about how their love life and life in general is damaged from certain thing's so they act like an asshole and it hurts their relationships with others.

But people on the org just see yeezy as stupid, crazy, sampling and a bad lyricsts and are probably only going off songs like niggas in paris or Golddiger.

IMO I don't see anything in Kanye that might help him to be a great musician, to be honest, I gave MBDTF a shot and It impressed me with only a couple of things: The Instrumentals and the sampling, other than that just sucks especially the lyrics (I don't find any lyrical depth in that, which drives me crazy everytime somebody says Kanye is a better lyricist than Eminem for example). So in hope for a discussion that may help me get into his musicanship I see that even people here in the org can't stand his music.. And for the title, I took it from another thread discussed in an other music forum, most of the members there agreed that Kanye is the greatest in our era... But in Prince.org people have another opinion..

At anyways, Kanye is a great producer tho I think Dr. Dre is ten times better than him (Lyrically and Musically), for example The Chronic is a masterpiece album, and when you listen to it, You realise that IT IS actually a masterpiece, unlike Late Registration or MBDTF, You see all the hype by Pitchfork and stuff.. You listen to it, and it takes only 5 minutes to realize It is like any other rap album by any other rapper from GOOD Music/Def Jam records.. (Drake, Jay-Z...)

[Edited 6/13/13 15:09pm]

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Reply #52 posted 06/13/13 8:37pm

Gunsnhalen

Shawy89 said:

Gunsnhalen said:

You can't start these type of threads for fun because on the org people take this seriously lol

Either way i love just about all genres of music from the 20's to till now and the classical period, romantic period era etc.

Either way my point is i love Kanye! i love his albums, his productions and his stories. If people on the org actually listened to the entire MBDTF or Late Registration albums in full they would see he not only has ''musicians'' playing on the album. But he has great political and social commentary and i admire any artist who is so open about about how their love life and life in general is damaged from certain thing's so they act like an asshole and it hurts their relationships with others.

But people on the org just see yeezy as stupid, crazy, sampling and a bad lyricsts and are probably only going off songs like niggas in paris or Golddiger.

IMO I don't see anything in Kanye that might help him to be a great musician, to be honest, I gave MBDTF a shot and It impressed me with only a couple of things: The Instrumentals and the sampling, other than that just sucks especially the lyrics (I don't find any lyrical depth in that, which drives me crazy everytime somebody says Kanye is a better lyricist than Eminem for example). So in hope for a discussion that may help me get into his musicanship I see that even people here in the org can't stand his music.. And for the title, I took it from another thread discussed in an other music forum, most of the members there agreed that Kanye is the greatest in our era... But in Prince.org people have another opinion..

At anyways, Kanye is a great producer tho I think Dr. Dre is ten times better than him (Lyrically and Musically), for example The Chronic is a masterpiece album, and when you listen to it, You realise that IT IS actually a masterpiece, unlike Late Registration or MBDTF, You see all the hype by Pitchfork and stuff.. You listen to it, and it takes only 5 minutes to realize It is like any other rap album by any other rapper from GOOD Music/Def Jam records.. (Drake, Jay-Z...)

[Edited 6/13/13 15:09pm]

what? lol Dr. Dre talks about fake gang banging and fucking bitches and you think he is a better lyricsts? lol i don't get that...

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Reply #53 posted 06/13/13 8:38pm

Gunsnhalen

The Chronic was cool when i was a kid but why do people say it's a masterpiece? i mean it kind of started tons of negative and awful trends in hip-hop that still resonate today lol

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Reply #54 posted 06/13/13 8:59pm

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Kanye is probably THE best hip hop artist out right now, and possibly in the running for of all time, but have things devolved THAT much where we're comparing him to Phil Spector in terms of producing???

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Reply #55 posted 06/14/13 4:26am

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namepeace said:

Define "our time."

Envision Kanye West walking on the stage for a jam session with nothing but musical instruments and a microphone. Take, say, a half-dozen of the greatest musicians in rock history: A random selection --

Paul McCartney, Jimi Hendrix, Chuck Berry, Stevie Wonder, Bruce Springsteen.

Honestly, how would he fare? I love Kanye's work myself, but let's be real, you can't call him a musician. He's a rapper and producer.

He could be the 21st century's answer to Phil Spector. Maybe.

nod This is how I feel. Well said.

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Reply #56 posted 06/14/13 8:33am

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i thought it was understood no more gay threads

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Reply #57 posted 06/14/13 12:57pm

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purple1968 said:

We are not pretending they are not all that. If you think Lady GaGa or Kanye or going to have long time effects on popular music you are smoking crack. I think Prince is the best of his generation and these two have not done half of what he was doing at his age. These two cannot not match real talent from the 1960s put Kanye or GaGa in a room with Jimi Hendrix or Santana. Come back in 10 years and these two will be a distant memory.

You do realise the same was said about Prince that was said to Kanye?

I'll say it now--put Prince (at their ages) in a room with Jimi Hendrix or Santana. He very well might have completely failed to bring it.

God knows he blew it on stage with James Brown and Michael Jackson.

Of course, what the heck is with all this putting people in the room with other people as an argument for greatness anyway? How does that prove their greatness? Are they meant to battle it out or collaborate? And how exactly does a guitar battle work out?

I don't get it.

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Reply #58 posted 06/14/13 1:09pm

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EddieC said:

aardvark15 said:

purple1968 said: You do realise the same was said about Prince that was said to Kanye?

I'll say it now--put Prince (at their ages) in a room with Jimi Hendrix or Santana. He very well might have completely failed to bring it.

God knows he blew it on stage with James Brown and Michael Jackson.


That's an apples to apples comparison, and good one (since Prince was out of his league as a stage performer at that time), but the Kanye analogy is different.

Of course, what the heck is with all this putting people in the room with other people as an argument for greatness anyway? How does that prove their greatness? Are they meant to battle it out or collaborate? And how exactly does a guitar battle work out?

I don't get it.

Recall that the issue is not "greatness," but "musicianship." As I have said in the same reply where I used the "room/stage" analogy, Kanye West has made a mark as a producer and MC that will loom large because he is (arguably) the leading artistic force in pop music. What that says about music today is another story but it's true.

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Reply #59 posted 06/14/13 1:31pm

Gunsnhalen

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i thought it was understood no more gay threads

You are a fan of Prince gay will be everywhere lol

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