Azz said:

If Rene is such a brilliant song-writer, where is he now? what other work has he done?

lollllll

Azz said:

If Rene is such a brilliant song-writer, where is he now? what other work has he done?

exactly, you mean to tell me nobody ever hired the man who co-wrote all of janet jackson hits.jimmy talked about their creative process extensively and janet does alot more then people give her credit for. and for the person who said the control album was done,thats a lie,according to jimmy the tracks were done,there were no lyrics.janet stayed with jimmy while recording the janet. album,he said she woke him up in the middle of the night when she got the idea for thats the way love goes. why try to discredit somebody's accomplishment,janet aint even one of these artists who run around bragging about what she has done,she minds her business and does her thing.

The Control tracks were done for another artist, but ended up going to Janet. The lyrics that were written came from conversations Jam & Lewis had with Janet about her experiences up until that point and Janet had some input I'm sure, though minimal compared to the janet. album

I do remember reading about her writing That's The Way Love Goes for a couple of weeks, bringing it back, and Terry telling her to change the melody at certain parts. Basically, teamwork.

As for good old Rene, Janet states some of the songs are based on his experiences...in bed I guess that's his co-writing credit

Or maybe he was underrated. Janet still had good tracks scattered after the dream team disbanded, but was lacking a musical direction on her albums displayed at her creative peak.

Lol I'm sorry but some of you are misinformed. Speaking as a Janet stan I know all about the Control tracks. First of all, when Janet arrived in Minneapolis the only songs that were completed were "He Doesn't Know I'm Alive" and the music for "What Have You Done For Me Lately" Jimmy stated this himself. The lyrics for "Lately were not created yet. Every other song on that album was a collaborative effort betweeen Janet, Jimmy and Terry. I highly doubt that any of you have prrof that ALL the tracks were written before Janet got there. First of all, how can that be when the song Control is specifically speaking about her marriage to James and her father. How could that song be written before Janet got there? They didn't even know anything about her yet. Secondly, the song Nasty spoke about Janet's experiences of being followed by a group of guys on the way back from a dance class. How could that song be written before Janet got there? I think some of you love to discredit her just because she's Michael's sister and not on his level. And like someone said if Rene is so brilliant where the hell is he now? Rene worked on ONE album and all of you are acting like he made her career. Rene gave her ideas. He did not write anything except on the Velvet Rope. He did not write Control, Rhythm Nation or janet. So some of you need to get off Rene's jock cuz he isn't all that.

JanFan said:

alphastreet said:

JanFan said:

Lol I'm sorry but some of you are misinformed. Speaking as a Janet stan I know all about the Control tracks. First of all, when Janet arrived in Minneapolis the only songs that were completed were "He Doesn't Know I'm Alive" and the music for "What Have You Done For Me Lately" Jimmy stated this himself. The lyrics for "Lately were not created yet. Every other song on that album was a collaborative effort betweeen Janet, Jimmy and Terry. I highly doubt that any of you have prrof that ALL the tracks were written before Janet got there. First of all, how can that be when the song Control is specifically speaking about her marriage to James and her father. How could that song be written before Janet got there? They didn't even know anything about her yet. Secondly, the song Nasty spoke about Janet's experiences of being followed by a group of guys on the way back from a dance class. How could that song be written before Janet got there? I think some of you love to discredit her just because she's Michael's sister and not on his level. And like someone said if Rene is so brilliant where the hell is he now? Rene worked on ONE album and all of you are acting like he made her career. Rene gave her ideas. He did not write anything except on the Velvet Rope. He did not write Control, Rhythm Nation or janet. So some of you need to get off Rene's jock cuz he isn't all that.

I just said music was written not lyrics for lately and other control stuff. Idiot. I'm a Janet fan too so sit your paranoid ass down on a toilet or something. I got nothing to prove to your trifling ass typing out every single story [Edited 6/10/13 11:08am]

Lol ok first of all hun all I said was some of you were misinformed. I said that in a polite, respectful manner. So the fact that you are insulting me by calling me an idiot, paranoid and trifling not only shows your age, but also your ignorance and maturity level. To clarify what you stated, you said that the music for the Control album was for another artist but was given to Janet. That is not true. He doesn't know I'm Alive was not for a specific artist it was just written for any potential female. Also the music for "Lately" was created by Jimmy and Terry for an album they were doing for themselves. They played the song for Janet and she liked it so Janet along with Jimmy and Terry wrote the lyrics. Everything else on that album was not created until Janet got there. So that's why I said your stement, "The music on the Control album was written for other artist" was false and inaccurate. If you can't have an intelligent conversation without slander than maybe you shouldn't be on a public forum with different opinions and facts. Good Day.

[Edited 6/10/13 11:21am]

"What Have You Done For Me Lately" the beats, the chords, the track was already "written" for another Flyte Tyme artist, but not the lyrics.

SEANMAN said:

From Ian Cross:

June 1

Music has taken me to some crazy places but I never thought it would bring me here. This is Doha, the capital of Qatar. It occupies the Qatar Peninsula on the northeasterly coast of the much larger Arabian Peninsula. Its sole land border is with Saudi Arabia to the South, with the rest of its territory surrounded by the Persian Gulf. It's home for the next few weeks. Qatar is kinda like the Switzerland of the middle east. Very peaceful and neutral in it's politics. They are a very kind, thoughtful people. And quite frankly, too rich to think about becoming suicide bombers. Janet and I always talked about getting away from it all and recording in paradise. Given her new husband is from Doha we packed up a studio, rented a villa on the beach and came here to make music. I know, I know. I'm one lucky bastard.

April 4
Making records is hard work. Making history is even harder. It sure helps when your best friends are some of the most talented people on the planet. In the lab with Bobby Ross Avila, Iz Issiah Avila, Zach Djanikian, Joe Gallagher, Anthony Saunders and Matt Marin.

Ian Cross has a current job title of: A&R/ Producer Engineer at Janet Jackson Music. Maybe she's started her own label?

She doesn't need JJ&TL. They made enough money & albums off of her to last a lifetime.. She needs to do her now.. Run her own show & set her own inspirations like her brother did without Quincy. She will be more vindicated. She is a "grown woman"...

Scorp said:

SEANMAN said:

See, that's just it. This is a thread about JANET JACKSON'S NEW ALBUM--not about Beyonce. If you want to discuss why Beyonce is always getting shaded, then create a thread about that. You are the one who brought up "Janet stans" and how they always say this or say that.

As for Rene, well, Jimmy himself has said on record that he doesn't remember Rene being around that much with a pen and paper when they were in the studio with Janet. Granted, Rene had a hand in helping Janet cultivate certain ideas and themes, but the nucleus of her albums is based on where SHE is in her life in that moment in time. She draws from and writes from those experiences.

they just made cuz she juked them...lolllllllllllllll

lowkey said:

this thread was started because janet is working on a new album,where did the 'stans' thing come from, so janet fans cant be excited about new music? nobody said nothing about her producing the whole album,writing all the songs,playing the instruments,mixing,ect it was a simple thread about a artist making new music. janet stay having mofos pressed for no reason

SO true.

Speaking of Control, "Nasty" was born out of Janet's run-in with some dudes on the street of Minneapolis who were trying to holla at her.

aardvark15 said:

Arbwyth said:

Erykah Badu, Donna Summer, and hell, even 2Pac are a few artists I can think of off the top of my head who hire producers to help them create albums

Don't forget Michael. Can we honestly say there would be an Off The Wall and Thriller without Quincy or a Dangerous without Teddy? Bad and History are really the only albums that might have happened without the aide of a producer. Just because a person doesn't solely produce their album(s) doesn't mean they aren't a good songwriter or even a good producer.

Now see, why did you have to go there? Did you hear the demos of BJ, WBSS, Beat It? Very little improvement on those songs. Quincy did not even want BJ on the album. Didja know that? Nor did he want the long intro on BJ. You know that... 'Duuum Duuum Duuum Dum...' that blew us all away . So Thriller would've been just find without Quincy. Cause MJ was a genius - amazing songwriter and genius dancer.

You should have said, 'what would THRILLER have been without BJ?'... there would not have been Motown25 = no fedora, no glitter glove and socks, no moonwalk, etc. etc. Aren't you glad he did not take his co producer's advice?

SEANMAN said:

Speaking of Control, "Nasty" was born out of Janet's run-in with some dudes on the street of Minneapolis who were trying to holla at her.

No! it was in a club in Minneapolis to be exact...

KCOOLMUZIQ said:

SEANMAN said:

Speaking of Control, "Nasty" was born out of Janet's run-in with some dudes on the street of Minneapolis who were trying to holla at her.

No! it was in a club in Minneapolis to be exact...

Oh ok

mrsnet said:

mrsnet said:

aardvark15 said:

Don't forget Michael. Can we honestly say there would be an Off The Wall and Thriller without Quincy or a Dangerous without Teddy? Bad and History are really the only albums that might have happened without the aide of a producer. Just because a person doesn't solely produce their album(s) doesn't mean they aren't a good songwriter or even a good producer.

Now see, why did you have to go there? Did you hear the demos of BJ, WBSS, Beat It? Very little improvement on those songs. Quincy did not even want BJ on the album. Didja know that? Nor did he want the long intro on BJ. You know that... 'Duuum Duuum Duuum Dum...' that blew us all away . So Thriller would've been just find without Quincy. Cause MJ was a genius - amazing songwriter and genius dancer.

You should have said, 'what would THRILLER have been without BJ?'... there would not have been Motown25 = no fedora, no glitter glove and socks, no moonwalk, etc. etc. Aren't you glad he did not take his co producer's advice?

I agree. I am not sure why we can never have a Janet discussion without someone bringing him up just to trash him in order to big up Janet. Of course Michael has used producers but most of those songs he did at his house before Quincy even got his hands on them. Michael has even produced alot of his own well known songs and has written more than half his catalogue himself. If Michael is going to be mentioned then I think Stevie Wonder and Prince should be as well. EVERYONE uses producers but I think with Janet she uses them along with songwriters to create her albums. So her creative process is more of a collaborative effort unlike the other artists. This isnt a bad thing because she gives alot of creative input.

Free2BMe said:

According to Wikipedia, Jam and Lewis said that the Control album was first presented to a singer called Sharon Bryant. She thought that the lyrics were too rambunctious or something like that. Jam and Lewis presented this album-lyrics AND melodies- to Janet and she liked it. She and Jam tweeked it, added arrangements, etc. The song "Nasty" came from an experience that Janet told Jam and Lewis about. They said that she came up with other "themes". THEY came up with the lyrics and music on Control. As I stated earlier, Wikipedia also stated that Janet's husband at the time, Rene, co-authored EVERY song on Velvet Rope. I remember when Janet revealed on Larry King that Rene had written a lot more songs than people think or that she had previously revealed She seemed to have said that begrudginly, as if Rene had threatened to expose it, IF she hadn't told.As far as what Rene is doing now. I don't know. He had a SEVERE "hard drug"(heroin) problem, so maybe he is still recovering. Btw, he probably received a HUGE settlement from Janet for their divorce and his part in songwiting royalities. Some of you have said that if Rene was such a good songwriter, why isn't he writing for other people. That's a good question; however, it doesn't take away from the FACT that he co-wrote ALL the songs, and may have even come up with the concept and theme, on Velvet Rope. Don't forget Janet also admitted during that interview that Rene had written a lot more songs than she had revealed or that he was given credit for. I wonder why he was not given as much credit as he deserved. Maybe he or Janet wanted HER to get more credit. I don't know.

I agree with what you are saying except for two things. The Control song was based off of Janet's experiences and feelings. She has said this multiple times along with Jimmy Jam and Terry. Also, it doesnt matter if Rene has a co credit on 20 million Janet songs, Janet was STILL involved in the collaborative process.

All the music she did with Jam & Lewis was impeccable, but it's time for her to move on and explore a more "current" scene. I don't think J&L are relevant anymore, are they? I mean, as far as Old School musings go, they're my #1 favorite producers on the face of the earth, but what have they done lately that solidifies that they're still on top and in demand? Are they still producing on Kelly Rowland's new disc? The last thing I recall them producing is "Higher Than This" by Ledisi and it wasn't a hit.

whitechocolatebrotha said:

they're my #1 favorite producers on the face of the earth, but what have they done lately

Apparently this current team was behind "Feedback" which actually made an impact at the time, not just on fans, but a newer audience.

Cinny said:

whitechocolatebrotha said:

they're my #1 favorite producers on the face of the earth, but what have they done lately

Apparently this current team was behind "Feedback" which actually made an impact at the time, not just on fans, but a newer audience.

Hey, Cinny: And it's 100% evident. "Feedback" has a very "new" sound (then) and I'm down with whatever she (Janet) comes up with. She's always got sumpthin' fresh and new up her sleeve usually. Should be interesting!

whitechocolatebrotha said:

All the music she did with Jam & Lewis was impeccable, but it's time for her to move on and explore a more "current" scene. I don't think J&L are relevant anymore, are they? I mean, as far as Old School musings go, they're my #1 favorite producers on the face of the earth, but what have they done lately that solidifies that they're still on top and in demand? Are they still producing on Kelly Rowland's new disc? The last thing I recall them producing is "Higher Than This" by Ledisi and it wasn't a hit.

JJ&TL recently wrote Anthony Hamilton's & Charlie Wilson's biggest hits.....

KCOOLMUZIQ said:

alphastreet said:

KCOOLMUZIQ said:

JJ&TL recently wrote Anthony Hamilton's & Charlie Wilson's biggest hits.....

Which tracks? Would love to hear Discipline and make me were so underrated, maybe she should work with pharrel and Nile, to appeal to old and new school

Sorry mistake number three I made Its Babyface not JJ & TL

I thought Discipline was underrated too. I loved "Rock With U" and "LUV". RWU was ahead of its time, because all the pop and R&B artists are doing songs just like it these days.

As for Tommy Parker, here's a link to one of his tracks. I'm loving it, and hope that some of the stuff on the new album sounds like it...

http://soundcloud.com/sea...t+lonesome

SEANMAN said:

I thought Discipline was underrated too. I loved "Rock With U" and "LUV". RWU was ahead of its time, because all the pop and R&B artists are doing songs just like it these days.

As for Tommy Parker, here's a link to one of his tracks. I'm loving it, and hope that some of the stuff on the new album sounds like it...

http://soundcloud.com/sea...t+lonesome

It was a few more hits Def Jam could have worked out of that project. I blame that on La Reid. He just threw Janet under the bus. The Discipline project will always be special to me. Since it was the period I reunited with her.

SEANMAN said:

I hope she is recording in that boner looking building.

^^

SEANMAN said:

I thought Discipline was underrated too. I loved "Rock With U" and "LUV". RWU was ahead of its time, because all the pop and R&B artists are doing songs just like it these days.

As for Tommy Parker, here's a link to one of his tracks. I'm loving it, and hope that some of the stuff on the new album sounds like it...

http://soundcloud.com/sea...t+lonesome

right?