aardvark15 said:

SUPRMAN said:

Why do either of you care what I think of Janet? Isn't it your worship that you should be focused on?

I think it's your obsession that should be focused on. A normal person who dislikes another person doesn't troll the other person's websites

Ha! A normal person? When did I ever claim to be normal?

FAIL

Free2BMe said:

I see that I was correct when I said that when Janet's PR team released the "billion dollar" rumor in the media that she was PROMOTING a new album release. At least, this time it is not about how much weight she has gained or lost. That tactic has become lame and PREDICTABLE.Just wondering, has Janet ever written any songs ON HER OWN? I know about "Black Cat", but that was with Jelly Bean Benitz or someone. Her fans give her credit for the Control album and every song on that album-melody and lyrics- were written by Jam and Lewis. I am asking because Janet stans always talk about Beyonce not writing her songs, yet, Janet does th same thing and gets credit-co-writer. Why the hypocrisy? If Janet gets credit for being a "songwriter", then so should Beyonce. Just a thought.

Definitly disagree with this

Janet doesnt write most of her music on her own but she does play a BIG role in the songwriting process and contributes lyrically to her songs. MOST of her music is about her OWN personal experiences so not sure why you think their is a hyprocrisy when Beyonce doesnt talk about her personal experiences and contributes nothing in her music. Janet has even created melodies and came up with lyrics on her own with the help of Jimmy and Terry. Beyonce steals songwriting credits and has never written a song by herself. Although Black Cat is the only official song she has written on her own, its a kick ass song lyrically so if she really wanted to she is more than cabable of writing a song on her own. I am not calling her a songwriter in the true definiton but I think she deserves to be called a lyrist and an artist that was heavily involved in the creation of her songs. Nothing similiar about the two at all.

On topic: I am very excited about this. I hope this album is a more creative effort

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Ahh! Doha, the capital of Qatar. What a BEAUTIFUL place to record. It's breathtaking!

SEANMAN said:

FUCK. YES.

oh yessssssssssss....oh yesssssssssssssssssssss

JANET's billion dollar manifesto is permeating on the dime.......

she's so rock solid w/her standing, she's laughing at everyone who laughed at her...

tit for tat as they say...

Owner all master recordings, holding the trump cards

even when she was shafted by the recording industry

she didn't have to hock over all her assets to secure an entertainment venture that was never going to pan out

now, they'll be clamming hand over foot to seek her favor.......

funny how the turn tide when the tide was turning........

a sucker punch for the ages.....all time get up....

they said u were done but u did em in....

or as Celie said in Color Purple "everything u think about gone fail"

they said u hit that girl janet, but the tape proved otherwise, for I know it was all gas.....

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dude, quit being such a dick and let people discuss something that excites them

Free2BMe said:

mjcarousel, I don't agree with what you said. You say that Beyonce doesn't write about her life experiences, does that matter? Does that take away from her being a CO-WRITER, as Janet is, on her songs. I am just saying that I find it highly hypocritical for Janet fans/stans and others to claim that she is any more of a writer than Beyonce. I have said the same about Madonna. Madonna CO-WRITES her songs, just as Janet and Beyonce have. I have a problem with people acting as if Janet writes her songs ON HER OWN, when she doesn't. Btw, a person can get songwriting credit, even if they add ONE word to a song. Finally, I don't believe that Beyonce "steals" songwriting credits anymore than Janet or Madonna, etc. I just wanted to point out the HYPOCRISY and this is not about how much you like Janet and or hate Beyonce or how much I like Beyonce or don't like Janet. It is about claiming a person who CO-WRITES their songs to be anymore valid than another person who CO-WRITES their songs.

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So much ignorance here...

Janet wrote almost all the lyrics and the melodies of the janet. album by herself. Jimmy Jam & Terry Lewis are also credited as songwriters because they wrote the music. Janet is a songwriter, get over it.

MrUFOman93 said:

Free2BMe said:

mjcarousel, I don't agree with what you said. You say that Beyonce doesn't write about her life experiences, does that matter? Does that take away from her being a CO-WRITER, as Janet is, on her songs. I am just saying that I find it highly hypocritical for Janet fans/stans and others to claim that she is any more of a writer than Beyonce. I have said the same about Madonna. Madonna CO-WRITES her songs, just as Janet and Beyonce have. I have a problem with people acting as if Janet writes her songs ON HER OWN, when she doesn't. Btw, a person can get songwriting credit, even if they add ONE word to a song. Finally, I don't believe that Beyonce "steals" songwriting credits anymore than Janet or Madonna, etc. I just wanted to point out the HYPOCRISY and this is not about how much you like Janet and or hate Beyonce or how much I like Beyonce or don't like Janet. It is about claiming a person who CO-WRITES their songs to be anymore valid than another person who CO-WRITES their songs.

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So much ignorance here...

Janet wrote almost all the lyrics and the melodies of the janet. album by herself. Jimmy Jam & Terry Lewis are also credited as songwriters because they wrote the music. Janet is a songwriter, get over it.

amen

and her latest gem just penned a billion dollar manifesto out the box

MrUFOman93 said:

So much ignorance here...

Janet wrote almost all the lyrics and the melodies of the janet. album by herself.

With help from Rene Elizondo. We actually don't know how much she has written all by herself.

I think it's the amount that gets cowritten. Beyonce has been caught adding a few sentences here and there just to get writing credits, like her cover of Kissing You. Same with Irreplacable that NE-YO wrote. Just recently a rapper (I think it was 50 cent) told Howard Stern how people like Rihanna add one or two words just to get writing credits.

Aaliyah never wrote her own lyrics but she had creative imput in her final album, the way she speaks about putting her album together despite not writing it was interesting. So, you can have creative control and not be a writer, but I think Janet did write more than she's been given credit for. Janet's formula and writing style was still there in the All For You record (once Rene and her split), with Better Days, Truth etc.

It's just her albums after that which focused mostly on sex, I didn't enjoy Janet's work with Jermaine Dupri on 20 y.o at all (he made up for it with 'Rock With U'), and of course Discipline which isn't really a Janet Jackson cd at all, she never wrote one word on it and it just all fizzled out, it seemed that was a L.A production to get her back on the charts. But she still had her moments, like Enjoy on 20 Y.O, that was so Jacksony, it had that classic sound and feel. And Damita Jo was a nice record, All Nite Don't Stop!

I think Rene helped her with themes, styles, writing and probably confidence to explore herself more as an artist (perhaps), but her entire artistry isn't down to him. Although I can see why people say it is, because she only ever wants to 'have fun' with her records now, and talk about her vag. I really hope this record is more than that.

janet's song 'truth' released in 2001, about her ex husband trying to sue her and saying she'd be nothing without him.

janet speaking about the velvet rope

aaliyah (a non writer) speaking about putting her album together and talking with writers.

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Free2BMe said:

mjcarousel, I don't agree with what you said. You say that Beyonce doesn't write about her life experiences, does that matter?

Yea it does matter because she is not a real artist. She doesnt write or speak from her own perspectives and I brought that up because Janet does and has shown that she is a real artist in her own right which you were underminding.

Does that take away from her being a CO-WRITER, as Janet is, on her songs. I am just saying that I find it highly hypocritical for Janet fans/stans and others to claim that she is any more of a writer than Beyonce.

Janet has written unofficial songs by herself as well along with Black Cat. Her co writing credit means alot more than Beyonce who just adds a word or two to get a songwriting credit. Janet actually participated in the songwriting process, brainstormed, came out with multiple lyrics, melodies and themes. Thats a hell of alot more than just switching around a word or two. I am not saying that she did these things by HERSELF if you read my FIRST post but it still doesnt change that she did play a major role in her songwriting process MORE than Beyonce which is why I dont get this comparision.

I have said the same about Madonna. Madonna CO-WRITES her songs, just as Janet and Beyonce have.

Madonna as well as Janet have played major roles in the formation of their lyrics, songs, and melodies. Regardless whether they did this on their own or not... It doesnt take away from that fact and Madonna has written some songs on her own as well. They have shown that they can write a good pop song on their own and they each have received awards from it. Beyonce has not.

I have a problem with people acting as if Janet writes her songs ON HER OWN, when she doesn't. Btw, a person can get songwriting credit, even if they add ONE word to a song.

Well if you actually read my first post I even insisted that I understand where you are coming from because I wouldnt call her a songwriter in the same sense as her brother or Stevie Wonder who wrote majority of their work on their own BUT it still doesnt change that she is a songwriter and an artist that played a major role in her songwriting process. Her process was just a team effort in comparision to the other two artists. I never once said that she wrote majority of her music on her own but I think its absurd to make her out to be a puppet or an artist who switched a couple of words around just to get a credit. Janet came up with all those creative themes in her songs and themes of her albums, concert themes and even came up with alot of her dance moves too. Jimmy and Terry helped of course but do you honestly think they could have came up with an album like VR without the help of Janet? JUST NO WAY.

Finally, I don't believe that Beyonce "steals" songwriting credits anymore than Janet or Madonna, etc.

Thats your STAN opinion. Not sure what it had to do with this topic

I just wanted to point out the HYPOCRISY and this is not about how much you like Janet and or hate Beyonce or how much I like Beyonce or don't like Janet.

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Your the one always trashing Janet every moment you get. There was no reason for you to come in here to compare her to Beyonce? WHAT FOR? All you had to do was say.. I think some of her songwriting credits are questionable instead of strangely making it about Beyonce YOU did that not me and NO I am not going to ignore your ignorant insulting stan post about Janet and Madonna. Why even compare Janet and Madonna to a singer that is not even an artist. All your comparisions to Madonna and Janet are straight stannery bullshit.

Yea Janet is ALOT of things outside of her music but make no mistake she has worked hard for hers and none of that other stuff takes away from that. Your the one that seems to hate her and never gives her credit where it is due. I criticize her alot on other things but when it comes to her music and things like this. She deserves alot of credit.

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PatrickS77 said:

MrUFOman93 said:

So much ignorance here...

Janet wrote almost all the lyrics and the melodies of the janet. album by herself.

With help from Rene Elizondo. We actually don't know how much she has written all by herself.

Well I insisted she did not do all of this on her own.

I am not calling her a Stevie Wonder type of songwriter but she still participated in her songwriting process,came up with melodies, themes and lyrics. She deserves SOME credit. She did not just switch around a 2 words and got a credit.

Free2BMe said:

mjcarousel,Let me set the record straight AGAIN, I am a Michael Jackson STAN-Loud and Proud. I am a Beyonce FAN. There is a huge difference, so I wanted to clarify that. The ONLY reason that I brought up Beyonce is because you and other Janet stans give her credit for being a songwriter when she has never written anything(other than a or 2 songs)

I have NEVER given Janet credit for being a solo songwriter besides Black Cat and Oops Now but that wasnt a official release song so its possible she has other songs she has written on her own. Are you reading any of my posts I have never said she was a songwriter in the same breathe as songwriters who write their OWN music. I have made that perfectly clear on numerous of occassions However, she did play a role in the creation of her music. She has came up with melodies, lyrics and themes herself in her music and with the help of Jimmy and Terry. Not sure what Beyonce has to do with that though

on her own and you act as if Beyonce can't be considered at least as a co-writer.

Because switching one or two words around just to get a credit has nothing to do with the creation of the entire song. Anybody can add in two words or switch two words around. That doesnt make them a songwriter or even a lyrist. Janet as well as Madonna have done ALOT more than that which is why their co writing credits are more deserving.

I threw Madonna in for good measure.

How so? It just seems like you came in here to bash Madonna and Janet and give reasons as to why Beyonce deserves her co-writing credits. If that is what you think... fine but dont see what that has to do with this thread.

You say that Janet comes up with her themes. She did that with the album, Control, and didn't write a SINGLE lyric or melody. Therefore, coming up with THEMES does NOT make a person a songwriter or co-writer.

I brought that up to show that Janet is an artist and is not a puppet. Yea Janet did not write the Control album but it was LARGELY based on her own experiences and feelings. Does that mean she wrote all the songs? No... but its clear that she was heavily involved in coming up with the theme of those songs along with Jimmy and Terry. Its clear that Janet HELPED Jimmy and Terry in forming the lyrics behind those songs. That album would not be the album it is without the input of Janet, thats all I am saying. I never implied she writes all her music by herself.

I am a musician and come up with themes all of the time. Unless, I actually write LYRICS and/or MELODIES, I am NOT a songwriter.

But Janet has also came up with melodies and lyrics as well NOT just themes.

As for adding a few words to a song and being credited as a songwriter, Beyonce does that and so does Madonna. Janet does the same thing. Again, just because Janet comes up with themes doesn't automatically make her a songwriter.

I dont know why you are so hung up on themes when I clearly stated other things Janet has done in how she creates her music. Janet has came up with lyrics, Janet has came up with melodies, etc so I think she deserves to be called an artist that is heavily involved in the creation of her music as well as Madonna. Just because she is not doing it BY HERSELF doesnt take that fact away. There not puppets.

Anyone can get on TV and say that they came up with the concept/theme and not be considered a songwriter. I was surprised that Janet FINALLY gave Rene songwriting credits(after the forced her to or threatened to expose her) because it was obvious after they seperated/divorced that he was the one behind her some of her biggest hits. I give Janet credit for coming up with themes/concepts and writing some lyrics. I guess if that's what some consider a songwriter, then go for it

. Btw, I am going to come up with some themes/concepts and see if I can be considered an songwriter. LOL!

Once again, I never said she did everything by herself and have said numerous of times that her creative process was a team effort that consisted of Jimmy, Terry and Rene for VR but she still helped with lyrics and melodies. I dont think that should be shunned just because she did not do it all by herself. My point is she was very involved in the makings of her music and albums. More involved than just switching two words around which is why I think her co writing credits are more deserving. I dont think she is a songwriter in the true definition either but that doesnt change the fact that she was involved in creating her music.

However, the "sex/vagina" THEMES are overplayed and TIRED. I doubt that she will do those again, because her stans have called her out on it and don't want to hear it again.Again, I only bring up Beyonce because EVERYTIME that Beyonce does something, Janet STANS don't want to give her any credit for anything. Just bringing the HYPOCRISY to the table. Don't care if Janet stans get mad. Just deal with it and agree to disagree. It's not going to change my opinion of Janet and it's not going to change you and other stans opinion of Beyonce.

I am tired of the sex/vagina themes as well and Janets last four albums were not her most creative efforts. I still dont see why it was necessary to bring up Beyonce when this thread is about Janet and her new album. O I am not a Janet "stan" by the way no where near it ... I am a fan of her MUSIC though not so much her anymore. Its not about Janet fans getting mad. You can think what you want to think I dont think your post was appropiate for the thread. It just seem random and like you wanted to find a reason to criticize Janet. And now I am done because its like talking to a brick wall Did you forget I am a big MJ fan too? I dont like the word stan because it seems like a irrational and crazy fan So I know what is and is not songwriting or songwriter" Thats like comparing all of MJ's co writes to Beyonce's... NO COMPARISION. These are REAL artists that sat down, brain stormed and actually wrote lyrics to their music OR HELPED formed MOST of their lyrics. I would NEVER compare them to what Beyonce does.

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Free2BMe said:

I see that I was correct when I said that when Janet's PR team released the "billion dollar" rumor in the media that she was PROMOTING a new album release. At least, this time it is not about how much weight she has gained or lost. That tactic has become lame and PREDICTABLE.Just wondering, has Janet ever written any songs ON HER OWN? I know about "Black Cat", but that was with Jelly Bean Benitz or someone. Her fans give her credit for the Control album and every song on that album-melody and lyrics- were written by Jam and Lewis. I am asking because Janet stans always talk about Beyonce not writing her songs, yet, Janet does th same thing and gets credit-co-writer. Why the hypocrisy? If Janet gets credit for being a "songwriter", then so should Beyonce. Just a thought.

Because Janet does write her songs. ASK HER co-writers and co-producers, and they will say the same. In fact they have said the same, and its on record.

As for, the billion dollar rumour. It started off as a 'billion dollar' entertainer and the media twisted it. This had nothing to do with Janet's team.

And also, I'm not even sure that Janet is aware the extent to which the public is aware of how much is going on considering that this producer has been tweeting for months and Janet's fans only picked up on it the last few days. Besides, she has already stated countless of times that she is working on an album, more recently with the 20th anniversary of the Janet. album

Your ignorance and attempts to discredit janet are pitiful.

Free2BMe said:

I see that I was correct when I said that when Janet's PR team released the "billion dollar" rumor in the media that she was PROMOTING a new album release. At least, this time it is not about how much weight she has gained or lost. That tactic has become lame and PREDICTABLE.Just wondering, has Janet ever written any songs ON HER OWN? I know about "Black Cat", but that was with Jelly Bean Benitz or someone. Her fans give her credit for the Control album and every song on that album-melody and lyrics- were written by Jam and Lewis. I am asking because Janet stans always talk about Beyonce not writing her songs, yet, Janet does th same thing and gets credit-co-writer. Why the hypocrisy? If Janet gets credit for being a "songwriter", then so should Beyonce. Just a thought.

There are several songs where she's the sole lyricist. She didn't co-write Black Cat with anyone--she co-produced it with Jellybean Johnson, but the lyrics are all hers. She also wrote Whoops Now, Ask For More, and most of That's the Way Love Goes. A lot of the time Jimmy and Terry will supply the beats, and she'll write lyrics to it. With TTWLG, she went away on a Christmas break and JJ/TL gave her the track, and she wrote lyrics to it.

Free2BMe said:

mjcarousel,Let me set the record straight AGAIN, I am a Michael Jackson STAN-Loud and Proud. I am a Beyonce FAN. There is a huge difference, so I wanted to clarify that. The ONLY reason that I brought up Beyonce is because you and other Janet stans give her credit for being a songwriter when she has never written anything(other than a or 2 songs) on her own and you act as if Beyonce can't be considered at least as a co-writer. I threw Madonna in for good measure. You say that Janet comes up with her themes. She did that with the album, Control, and didn't write a SINGLE lyric or melody. Therefore, coming up with THEMES does NOT make a person a songwriter or co-writer. I am a musician and come up with themes all of the time. Unless, I actually write LYRICS and/or MELODIES, I am NOT a songwriter. As for adding a few words to a song and being credited as a songwriter, Beyonce does that and so does Madonna. Janet does the same thing. Again, just because Janet comes up with themes doesn't automatically make her a songwriter. Anyone can get on TV and say that they came up with the concept/theme and not be considered a songwriter. I was surprised that Janet FINALLY gave Rene songwriting credits(after the forced her to or threatened to expose her) because it was obvious after they seperated/divorced that he was the one behind her some of her biggest hits. I give Janet credit for coming up with themes/concepts and writing some lyrics. I guess if that's what some consider a songwriter, then go for it. Btw, I am going to come up with some themes/concepts and see if I can be considered an songwriter. LOL! Finally, I consider Beyonce an artist, just as much as I do Janet. She sings, dances, CO-WRITES her own songs. I give Janet credit for coming up with some good themes/concepts on some of her albums. However, the "sex/vagina" THEMES are overplayed and TIRED. I doubt that she will do those again, because her stans have called her out on it and don't want to hear it again.Again, I only bring up Beyonce because EVERYTIME that Beyonce does something, Janet STANS don't want to give her any credit for anything. Just bringing the HYPOCRISY to the table. Don't care if Janet stans get mad. Just deal with it and agree to disagree. It's not going to change my opinion of Janet and it's not going to change you and other stans opinion of Beyonce.

See, that's just it. This is a thread about JANET JACKSON'S NEW ALBUM--not about Beyonce. If you want to discuss why Beyonce is always getting shaded, then create a thread about that. You are the one who brought up "Janet stans" and how they always say this or say that.

As for Rene, well, Jimmy himself has said on record that he doesn't remember Rene being around that much with a pen and paper when they were in the studio with Janet. Granted, Rene had a hand in helping Janet cultivate certain ideas and themes, but the nucleus of her albums is based on where SHE is in her life in that moment in time. She draws from and writes from those experiences.

SEANMAN said:

As for Rene, well, Jimmy himself has said on record that he doesn't remember Rene being around that much with a pen and paper when they were in the studio with Janet.

Well, that doesn't mean though that they weren't working at home on lyrics and ideas. I'm sure not everything is done in the studio and when you're working on songs you probably are working on it one way or the other wherever you are 24/7.

SEANMAN said:

Free2BMe said:

mjcarousel,Let me set the record straight AGAIN, I am a Michael Jackson STAN-Loud and Proud. I am a Beyonce FAN. There is a huge difference, so I wanted to clarify that. The ONLY reason that I brought up Beyonce is because you and other Janet stans give her credit for being a songwriter when she has never written anything(other than a or 2 songs) on her own and you act as if Beyonce can't be considered at least as a co-writer. I threw Madonna in for good measure. You say that Janet comes up with her themes. She did that with the album, Control, and didn't write a SINGLE lyric or melody. Therefore, coming up with THEMES does NOT make a person a songwriter or co-writer. I am a musician and come up with themes all of the time. Unless, I actually write LYRICS and/or MELODIES, I am NOT a songwriter. As for adding a few words to a song and being credited as a songwriter, Beyonce does that and so does Madonna. Janet does the same thing. Again, just because Janet comes up with themes doesn't automatically make her a songwriter. Anyone can get on TV and say that they came up with the concept/theme and not be considered a songwriter. I was surprised that Janet FINALLY gave Rene songwriting credits(after the forced her to or threatened to expose her) because it was obvious after they seperated/divorced that he was the one behind her some of her biggest hits. I give Janet credit for coming up with themes/concepts and writing some lyrics. I guess if that's what some consider a songwriter, then go for it. Btw, I am going to come up with some themes/concepts and see if I can be considered an songwriter. LOL! Finally, I consider Beyonce an artist, just as much as I do Janet. She sings, dances, CO-WRITES her own songs. I give Janet credit for coming up with some good themes/concepts on some of her albums. However, the "sex/vagina" THEMES are overplayed and TIRED. I doubt that she will do those again, because her stans have called her out on it and don't want to hear it again.Again, I only bring up Beyonce because EVERYTIME that Beyonce does something, Janet STANS don't want to give her any credit for anything. Just bringing the HYPOCRISY to the table. Don't care if Janet stans get mad. Just deal with it and agree to disagree. It's not going to change my opinion of Janet and it's not going to change you and other stans opinion of Beyonce.

See, that's just it. This is a thread about JANET JACKSON'S NEW ALBUM--not about Beyonce. If you want to discuss why Beyonce is always getting shaded, then create a thread about that. You are the one who brought up "Janet stans" and how they always say this or say that.

As for Rene, well, Jimmy himself has said on record that he doesn't remember Rene being around that much with a pen and paper when they were in the studio with Janet. Granted, Rene had a hand in helping Janet cultivate certain ideas and themes, but the nucleus of her albums is based on where SHE is in her life in that moment in time. She draws from and writes from those experiences.

they just made cuz she juked them...lolllllllllllllll

New Janet music, finally!

PatrickS77 said:

SEANMAN said:

As for Rene, well, Jimmy himself has said on record that he doesn't remember Rene being around that much with a pen and paper when they were in the studio with Janet.

Well, that doesn't mean though that they weren't working at home on lyrics and ideas. I'm sure not everything is done in the studio and when you're working on songs you probably are working on it one way or the other wherever you are 24/7.

Seeing as when Janet writes music it is generally a collaborative effort with Jimmy and Terry, I think its a sound statement to suggest that most lyrics were written in the studio with them present

^

Now I agree Rene helped co write some songs but this is not true. Rene does not have a co write on EVERY single song.

^Just checked my VR booklet and you were right, I was wrong.

Free2BMe said:

I see that I was correct when I said that when Janet's PR team released the "billion dollar" rumor in the media that she was PROMOTING a new album release. At least, this time it is not about how much weight she has gained or lost. That tactic has become lame and PREDICTABLE.Just wondering, has Janet ever written any songs ON HER OWN? I know about "Black Cat", but that was with Jelly Bean Benitz or someone. Her fans give her credit for the Control album and every song on that album-melody and lyrics- were written by Jam and Lewis. I am asking because Janet stans always talk about Beyonce not writing her songs, yet, Janet does th same thing and gets credit-co-writer. Why the hypocrisy? If Janet gets credit for being a "songwriter", then so should Beyonce. Just a thought.

jimmy jam recently did a interview during the 20th anniversary of the janet. album, maybe you should read it

this thread was started because janet is working on a new album,where did the 'stans' thing come from, so janet fans cant be excited about new music? nobody said nothing about her producing the whole album,writing all the songs,playing the instruments,mixing,ect it was a simple thread about a artist making new music. janet stay having mofos pressed for no reason

If Rene is such a brilliant song-writer, where is he now? what other work has he done?

Azz said:

If Rene is such a brilliant song-writer, where is he now? what other work has he done?