He didn't really grab me when he dropped initially, but I think this is nice. It's obviously a throwback to Marvin Gaye but who cares? Marvin's sound deserves to be repped.

Marvin's sound has been repped for years.

Wait, do you mean Marvin's sound deserves to be repped by a white R&B singer? I mean, damn near any R&B head can cite Marvin's influence in "neo soul" since its inception and before. Ask any signed R&B singer who their influences are and you will almost always hear MARVIN and STEVIE. Marvin is well repped.

This is biting. When I first cued up the track it sounded familiar to me.

Just like "Rocksteady" is biting Al Green's style, this song is biting Marvin.

I hate how when someone like Remy Shand does something, everybody acts like its new or that no one else has done it before.

The truth is, there are a lot of racist white hipster types who think R&B is cool and that listening to it gives them cool points because it involves a pseudo attempt to indulge in black culture and therefore feign an attempt at understand it in order to look more tolerant, and by association, look more cool themselves.

THAT IS NOT THE CASE WITH REMY. I know his background and he is sincere in what he does.

Its just that what he does is a rehash of what has already been done and there is no way I'm going to sit here and praise dude for "discovering the wheel" after a car already passed by him.

Like I said before, Cee-lo show everybody how to do this: tribute the past but bring your sound into the present or future. Its easy to imitate when the blueprint is already there.

He has his own sound but it relies too much on what has already been done. Dude needs to experiment instead of riding on the greatness of the 70s soul movement. That ship has sailed.

BlaqueKnight said: a white R&B singer?

I hate how when someone like Remy Shand does something, everybody acts like its new or that no one else has done it before.

The truth is, there are a lot of racist white hipster types who think R&B is cool and that listening to it gives them cool points because it involves a pseudo attempt to indulge in black culture and therefore feign an attempt at understand it in order to look more tolerant, and by association, look more cool themselves.

So, only black folks are allowed to enjoy/perform/pay homage to r&b music?

You are a punk- ass racist.

BlaqueKnight said:

Wait, do you mean Marvin's sound deserves to be repped by a white R&B singer?...

there are a lot of racist white hipster types who think R&B is cool and that listening to it gives them cool points...

This is biting...

Its just that what he does is a rehash of what has already been done...

there is no way I'm going to sit here and praise dude for "discovering the wheel" after a car already passed by him.

1. No, I meant in general. His sound stands the test of time because it's great, and I don't think that it living on through other people is a bad thing. I understand why some would. I feel like the argument here is "Does Remy have the clout to re-do it," which is a matter of opinion I suppose.
2. I think it's interesting that race was brought up. If Remy wasn't white, would it be less annoying?
3. Nearly everything is biting. There's very little that is truly original these days, IMO.
4. I don't think Remy or any other self-respecting music lover would think what he's doing is original. I do think it's s decent tribute, though.

mask said:

BlaqueKnight said: a white R&B singer?

I hate how when someone like Remy Shand does something, everybody acts like its new or that no one else has done it before.

The truth is, there are a lot of racist white hipster types who think R&B is cool and that listening to it gives them cool points because it involves a pseudo attempt to indulge in black culture and therefore feign an attempt at understand it in order to look more tolerant, and by association, look more cool themselves.

So, only black folks are allowed to enjoy/perform/pay homage to r&b music?

You are a punk- ass racist.

Nope. Do I need to explain racism to you? Most of you using that word don't even know what it means. You know what? I won't because if I do, this thread will get moved to the P&R section.

I see the bigger picture of what's going on in the industry right now.

Oh and I meant every word of what I said about racist hipster types. Are you trying to imply that they don't exist? I just posted a thread about Lil Dicky not too long ago. Are you sure you want to go there?

I abhor the unmitigated arrogance of white people who have the nerve to call anyone of color "racist" as if this country wasn't stolen from the Natives and built on the backs of blacks; as if racism died when Obama was elected, even though he has really done nothing for black people as a group since his election. (Yeah, I said it); as if things are somehow even now and black people stopped being oppressed by a corrupt, racist societal system put in place by whites, for whites with the fuctionality of existing and working whether or not whites themselves acknowledge it.

But, nevermind all of that...for now.

For the record, there have always been a few white people involved in R&B and I have and will always give them props when they are sincere, just like I did Remy, as opposed to someone like Timberfake, who never really gave a fuck until it started making him money.

Just because you enjoy/perform/pay homage to R&B dosn't mean you invented it or that you're even doing something new. Unlike the conditioned PC crowd, I'm not going to pat someone on the head and yell "good job" when what they are doing what has already been done and done better.

Its funny how nobody ever seemed to have this conversation about people like George Michael, Teena Marie or Michael McDonald. How is it that they could build their own sound in R&B and garner respect for doing so, yet these new crop of "blue-eyed soul" artists can't seem to do it?

I'm sure you will skip right over that question. Commence with the race baiting to deter from the facts of the thread.

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SchlomoThaHomo said:

BlaqueKnight said:

Wait, do you mean Marvin's sound deserves to be repped by a white R&B singer?...

there are a lot of racist white hipster types who think R&B is cool and that listening to it gives them cool points...

This is biting...

Its just that what he does is a rehash of what has already been done...

there is no way I'm going to sit here and praise dude for "discovering the wheel" after a car already passed by him.

1. No, I meant in general. His sound stands the test of time because it's great, and I don't think that it living on through other people is a bad thing. I understand why some would. I feel like the argument here is "Does Remy have the clout to re-do it," which is a matter of opinion I suppose.
2. I think it's interesting that race was brought up. If Remy wasn't white, would it be less annoying?
3. Nearly everything is biting. There's very little that is truly original these days, IMO.
4. I don't think Remy or any other self-respecting music lover would think what he's doing is original. I do think it's s decent tribute, though.

1. Okay. I understand admiration but ultimately, it is expected that you carve your own niche and make your own mark or you will just go down as an imitator. Jamie Lidell, for instance, did a very good first CD, mixing his influences with his own sound, then he turned around and "played the hits" like a cover artist or something. Do your own shit. Make your own mark or get out of the game.

2. Ask how I feel about Raphael Saddiq's last couple of records. Dude pretty much did the same shit. His work with 3T is outstanding, then he devolved into a tribute artist who couldn't get his ass out of the 60s and pretty much sucked ass at imitating greater singers, which is a shame because you could almost call Tony Toni Tone the first neo soul act. He was doing it right the first time.

3. Cop-out. Bullshit. There is a huge difference between biting and being influenced. For instance, let's take his hit "Take A Message", a song that was a mellow R&B groove that sounded like it was from the 70s but didn't have a direct association with any particluar artist. It encompassed the musical elements, instrumentation and arrangement style of 70s songs in general but didn't point diretly to any one song or one artist's sound. This track is a lazy rehash. Just like Saddiq was doing, this is rehash. You can play with the word "tribute" or whatever but some people will always know when a songwriter was listening to a song and decided that they would write their version of it. It fools people who don't know the original but not those who do.

4. I agree and disagree. I agree with your first point and disagree with your last one. Just like anyone else, the last point is just my own personal opinion. I don't think its a very good rehash.

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BlaqueKnight said:

SchlomoThaHomo said:

1. No, I meant in general. His sound stands the test of time because it's great, and I don't think that it living on through other people is a bad thing. I understand why some would. I feel like the argument here is "Does Remy have the clout to re-do it," which is a matter of opinion I suppose.
2. I think it's interesting that race was brought up. If Remy wasn't white, would it be less annoying?
3. Nearly everything is biting. There's very little that is truly original these days, IMO.
4. I don't think Remy or any other self-respecting music lover would think what he's doing is original. I do think it's s decent tribute, though.

1. Do your own shit. Make your own mark or get out of the game.

2. There is a huge difference between biting and being influenced.

3. I don't think its a very good rehash.

1. I agree that's how it should be. Though, I'd rather listen to an unoriginal interpretation of someone else's classic that I like than something original that I don't. Of course it's about preference and all entirely subjective.
2. Yes, and some walk that thin line more than others.
3. Fair enough.

SoulAlive said:

Turns out that this song is a remake of a rare Marvin Gaye song

TD3 said:

SoulAlive said:

Wow,I was wondering whatever happened to this guy! His 2002 debut album is excellent,but then he just disappeared.It's good to hear new music from him.

It was a terrific album, I think we all aware of obvious influences but the music and production was top notch. So a decade later Shand maybe releasing his sophomore album... I'm willing to give it a listen to see if he's grown beyond Gaye's influence.

My favorites were "Rock Steady","Take A Message","I Met Your Mercy" and the title track.Really,the whole album was superb.

SoulAlive said:

Turns out that this song is a remake of a rare Marvin Gaye song

AND he recorded it in the 90s so it's not new music at all.

Was going to post Marvin Gay's version I swear I uploaded, which has know mysteriously gone.

Anywho Cinny did the honors. I'll repeat damn good album, one of the few albums or songs I heard on the radio in the 21 century which made me head to the record store to purchase it. At the time Dr. Wax had the vinyle remix version of "Take a Message.." but I demurred on that and just bought the CD. My bad... bought the record a couple of years later including the remix CD or the DJ version of this ablum. My favortie song it the title song of album,... Way I Feel.

TD3 said:

Was going to post Marvin Gay's version I swear I uploaded, which has know mysteriously gone.

Anywho Cinny did the honors. I'll repeat damn good album, one of the few albums or songs I heard on the radio in the 21 century which made me head to the record store to purchase it. At the time Dr. Wax had the vinyle remix version of "Take a Message.." but I demurred on that and just bought the CD. My bad... bought the record a couple of years later including the remix CD or the DJ version of this ablum. My favortie song it the title song of album,... Way I Feel.

Dr. Wax.

Are they gone, too?

Stymie said:

TD3 said:

Was going to post Marvin Gay's version I swear I uploaded, which has know mysteriously gone.

Anywho Cinny did the honors. I'll repeat damn good album, one of the few albums or songs I heard on the radio in the 21 century which made me head to the record store to purchase it. At the time Dr. Wax had the vinyle remix version of "Take a Message.." but I demurred on that and just bought the CD. My bad... bought the record a couple of years later including the remix CD or the DJ version of this ablum. My favortie song it the title song of album,... Way I Feel.

Dr. Wax.

Are they gone, too?

They gone Ivy.

They closed '07, that hurt my heart, I found a lot of gems in the Hyde Park store. They said downloading killed their business. The stuff that was out of print for which folks didn't have to bother with buying a turntable and/or converting records to digital form.

TD3 said:

Stymie said:

Dr. Wax.

Are they gone, too?

They gone Ivy.

They closed '07, that hurt my heart, I found a lot of gems in the Hyde Park store. They said downloading killed their business. The stuff that was out of print for which folks didn't have to bother with buying a turntable and/or converting records to digital form.

I couldn't remember if was them or Hyde Park records that closed.

Here's a new original song by Remy. Dedicated to his late mother.

Good to see him back. I was just asking about him in one of the Robin Thicke threads.

BlaqueKnight said:

popgodazipa said:

It doesn't really matter who, it's what they are singing about that is more important. Be it Remy Shand or Silk..we need a better message, regardless of the messenger.

Are you seriously suggesting that Remy Shand is the only artist putting out a good message right now?

You really don't want to go down this road with me.

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BlaqueKnight said:

mask said:

So, only black folks are allowed to enjoy/perform/pay homage to r&b music?

You are a punk- ass racist.

Nope. Do I need to explain racism to you? Most of you using that word don't even know what it means. You know what? I won't because if I do, this thread will get moved to the P&R section.

I see the bigger picture of what's going on in the industry right now.

Oh and I meant every word of what I said about racist hipster types. Are you trying to imply that they don't exist? I just posted a thread about Lil Dicky not too long ago. Are you sure you want to go there?

I abhor the unmitigated arrogance of white people who have the nerve to call anyone of color "racist" as if this country wasn't stolen from the Natives and built on the backs of blacks; as if racism died when Obama was elected, even though he has really done nothing for black people as a group since his election. (Yeah, I said it); as if things are somehow even now and black people stopped being oppressed by a corrupt, racist societal system put in place by whites, for whites with the fuctionality of existing and working whether or not whites themselves acknowledge it.

But, nevermind all of that...for now.

For the record, there have always been a few white people involved in R&B and I have and will always give them props when they are sincere, just like I did Remy, as opposed to someone like Timberfake, who never really gave a fuck until it started making him money.

Just because you enjoy/perform/pay homage to R&B dosn't mean you invented it or that you're even doing something new. Unlike the conditioned PC crowd, I'm not going to pat someone on the head and yell "good job" when what they are doing what has already been done and done better.

Its funny how nobody ever seemed to have this conversation about people like George Michael, Teena Marie or Michael McDonald. How is it that they could build their own sound in R&B and garner respect for doing so, yet these new crop of "blue-eyed soul" artists can't seem to do it?

I'm sure you will skip right over that question. Commence with the race baiting to deter from the facts of the thread.

[Edited 5/28/13 9:53am]

Obama was elected, even though he has really done nothing for black people as a group since his election.

So Obama has the power to make people get a high school diploma, stop selling drugs, shooting people and be a involved parent. The stats back up the comments that President Obama has addressed. The problem is some negros do not want to hear it.

I love it. Glad he is back...

Ville said:

Here's a new original song by Remy. Dedicated to his late mother.

It's beautiful! I'm glad he's back and looking forward to more songs. I love listening to "Take A Message," "The Way I Feel," and "Second One."