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Jesus reading all this deposition stuff with AEG and the kids is very depressing. Not just them being sadly thrown into a lions den, but they think Murray is a good guy.

And the saddest thing is, the Jacksons who brought on this lawsuit are being protected by the judge. As usual it's going to be MJ who is dragged through the mud. Seems like everything I mean, everything is being allowed when it comes to him, while all the screwy things against the Jacksons is being thrown out by the judge.

mookie said:

Jesus reading all this deposition stuff with AEG and the kids is very depressing. Not just them being sadly thrown into a lions den, but they think Murray is a good guy.

And the saddest thing is, the Jacksons who brought on this lawsuit are being protected by the judge. As usual it's going to be MJ who is dragged through the mud. Seems like everything I mean, everything is being allowed when it comes to him, while all the screwy things against the Jacksons is being thrown out by the judge.

Where are you reading the depositions?

dag said:

Where are you reading the depositions?

Have you been to MJJC? They have a section dedicated to this case.

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mookie said:

dag said:

Where are you reading the depositions?

Have you been to MJJC? They have a section dedicated to this case.

[Edited 3/22/13 12:45pm]

No, just KOP where they also discuss it. Some people are posting quotes there, but where are they geting them from?

dag said:

mookie said:

Have you been to MJJC? They have a section dedicated to this case.

[Edited 3/22/13 12:45pm]

No, just KOP where they also discuss it. Some people are posting quotes there, but where are they geting them from?

Ivy from MJJC is posting summaries. I see some of what Paris said.

yes, i've read some of ivy's posting. the comments by paris do give me pause.

however, i temper that with thinking of myself when i was their age. one, i trusted the adults around me. i didn't think it was my place to question what they were saying or doing, even if looking back now, i can see i should have. maybe they can't see yet that this 'nice man' left their beloved father to die.

two, the jacksons have been filling these childrens' heads with tales of 'conspiracy' and 'fall guys'. remember, paris also allegedly has said that la toya told her she was going to get to the bottom of who killed her father (lawd have mercy!) therefore, they may not actually believe that murray killed their father.

remember that the children were away in wales when murray's trial was going on, and likely have been discouraged by the family from reading accounts of it, or of murray's "documentary". you know, the one where he allegedly claimed that aeg was giving mj the money for the "fucking popsicles" they ate, and made other unsavory comments about their dad.

there is also the possibility that they have been told to say these things for the sake of the lawsuit. mj3 have been doing the family's bidding since they were sent to hayvenhurst, from signing belts to oprah to promoting their uncle's failed clothing line to fake charities to grandmother's and aunt's "managing" their careers for a cut off the top. they may know that murray killed their father, but what can they do? much like their father was, they're trapped.

at any rate, i don't think the case is winnable for the jacksons, and i think prince and paris will suffer the most for having their father dragged through the mud again.

EDIT: someone raised a good point at the mjjc board. if aeg hopes to win this case, they should not play into the jacksons' hands with the whole mj was a drug addict scenario b/c it could backfire on them. if they admit that they had reason to believe that mj was an addict (and an argument can be made that they suspected it), then a jury might question their motives in allowing the concerts to proceed. that's the crux of the jacksons' argument.

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dag said:

mookie said:

Have you been to MJJC? They have a section dedicated to this case.

[Edited 3/22/13 12:45pm]

No, just KOP where they also discuss it. Some people are posting quotes there, but where are they geting them from?

They have an entire forum dedicated to the AEG trial here: http://www.mjjcommunity.com/forum/forums/266-Katherine-Jackson-vs-AEG-Live

Paris Jackson questioned about dad's death in lawsuit

Los Angeles (CNN) -- Paris Jackson, the 14-year-old daughter of Michael Jackson, is being questioned Thursday about her father's last days as part of her family's wrongful death lawsuit against a concert promoter.

In addition, Jackson lawyers told the judge in a court filing this week they were concerned that lawyers for AEG Live, the company accused of liability in Jackson's death, were "behaving aggressively and erratically" in their questioning of the Jackson children.

AEG Live asked Los Angeles Superior Judge Yvette Palazuelos to order Blanket Jackson to appear for a deposition, but his doctor warned it would be "medically detrimental" to the 10-year-old boy, according to the court filing.

When AEG Live lawyers deposed Prince Jackson, 16, earlier this month, they asked questions intended "to agitate the boy, creating serious concern among his guardians and attorneys," the document said.

Prince "testified that he was intimately involved in his father's affairs," an AEG Live lawyer said in an e-mail defending the questioning.

The wrongful death lawsuit is a high-stakes contest. Prince, Paris, Blanket and their grandmother, Katherine Jackson, are suing AEG Live for billions of dollars. The trial is set to begin in Los Angeles next month.

Jackson lawyers complained that AEG Live lawyers engaged in "a concerted tactical effort made to harass and burden the Jackson family through these abusive discovery processes."

While Blanket -- who was just 6 when his father died on June 25, 2009 -- will not be called as a witness in the trial, AEG Live has tried to force him to sit for a deposition, the filing said.

Blanket's doctor provided a letter saying it would be "medically detrimental" to the boy. "Yet defendants still to this day say they may move to compel Blanket's deposition," the Jackson filing said.

Jackson lawyers accused AEG Live lawyers of mistreating Prince when he was deposed on a recent Saturday. They "behaved in a manner designed to agitate the boy, creating serious concern among his guardians and attorneys," their filing said.

"Defense counsel asked the boy completely irrelevant and repetitive personal questions about whether he sends text messages, whether he send text messages from his phone, and whether he 'tweets,'" they said. "Defense counsel also asked the boy about every place he had ever lived, every teacher he had ever had and about his current efforts to start a career in addition to being a full-time student -- none of which have anything to do with the case at hand."

AEG Live lawyer Jessica Stebbins Bina, in an e-mail included in the court filing, defended her co-counsel Marvin Putnam's questioning of Prince.

"My understanding is that the deposition proceeded with appropriate questioning, and that the questions were legitimate questions appropriate to a wrongful death suit," she said.

The Jackson lawyers also complained about the questioning of family matriarch Katherine Jackson, who is 82. AEG Live lawyers deposed her for nine hours over three days and are asking for a fourth chance, they said. The questioning could have been easily done in two or three hours, they told the judge.

The lawsuit contends that AEG Live is responsible for Jackson's death because it hired and supervised Dr. Conrad Murray, who was administering the surgical anesthetic propofol to Jackson each night for a month to induce sleep as he prepared for a series of concerts organized by AEG Live.

AEG Live contends that Michael Jackson chose Murray as his personal physician. The promoter denies having hired or supervised Murray.

A jury found Murray guilty of involuntary manslaughter after hearing testimony that he violated medical standards in his treatment of Jackson.

http://www.cnn.com/2013/03/21/showbiz/paris-jackson-testimony/

kibbles said:

yes, i've read some of ivy's posting. the comments by paris do give me pause.

however, i temper that with thinking of myself when i was their age. one, i trusted the adults around me. i didn't think it was my place to question what they were saying or doing, even if looking back now, i can see i should have. maybe they can't see yet that this 'nice man' left their beloved father to die.

two, the jacksons have been filling these childrens' heads with tales of 'conspiracy' and 'fall guys'. remember, paris also allegedly has said that la toya told her she was going to get to the bottom of who killed her father (lawd have mercy!) therefore, they may not actually believe that murray killed their father.

remember that the children were away in wales when murray's trial was going on, and likely have been discouraged by the family from reading accounts of it, or of murray's "documentary". you know, the one where he allegedly claimed that aeg was giving mj the money for the "fucking popsicles" they ate, and made other unsavory comments about their dad.

there is also the possibility that they have been told to say these things for the sake of the lawsuit. mj3 have been doing the family's bidding since they were sent to hayvenhurst, from signing belts to oprah to promoting their uncle's failed clothing line to fake charities to grandmother's and aunt's "managing" their careers for a cut off the top. they may know that murray killed their father, but what can they do? much like their father was, they're trapped.

at any rate, i don't think the case is winnable for the jacksons, and i think prince and paris will suffer the most for having their father dragged through the mud again.

EDIT: someone raised a good point at the mjjc board. if aeg hopes to win this case, they should not play into the jacksons' hands with the whole mj was a drug addict scenario b/c it could backfire on them. if they admit that they had reason to believe that mj was an addict (and an argument can be made that they suspected it), then a jury might question their motives in allowing the concerts to proceed. that's the crux of the jacksons' argument.

[Edited 3/22/13 16:13pm]

Agreed.

Thanks Kitty for the link.

My emotional attachment to this entire family including michael (R.I.P.) is in the past now. I don't want to be involved with this shit anymore and nothing that comes out of this case is going to satisfy anyone be it fans or his kids. Just a sad, sad tale....

NaughtyKitty said:

dag said:

No, just KOP where they also discuss it. Some people are posting quotes there, but where are they geting them from?

They have an entire forum dedicated to the AEG trial here: http://www.mjjcommunity.com/forum/forums/266-Katherine-Jackson-vs-AEG-Live

Paris Jackson questioned about dad's death in lawsuit

By Alan Duke, CNN

updated 6:05 PM EDT, Thu March 21, 2013

Los Angeles (CNN) -- Paris Jackson, the 14-year-old daughter of Michael Jackson, is being questioned Thursday about her father's last days as part of her family's wrongful death lawsuit against a concert promoter.

In addition, Jackson lawyers told the judge in a court filing this week they were concerned that lawyers for AEG Live, the company accused of liability in Jackson's death, were "behaving aggressively and erratically" in their questioning of the Jackson children.

AEG Live asked Los Angeles Superior Judge Yvette Palazuelos to order Blanket Jackson to appear for a deposition, but his doctor warned it would be "medically detrimental" to the 10-year-old boy, according to the court filing.

When AEG Live lawyers deposed Prince Jackson, 16, earlier this month, they asked questions intended "to agitate the boy, creating serious concern among his guardians and attorneys," the document said.

Prince "testified that he was intimately involved in his father's affairs," an AEG Live lawyer said in an e-mail defending the questioning.

The wrongful death lawsuit is a high-stakes contest. Prince, Paris, Blanket and their grandmother, Katherine Jackson, are suing AEG Live for billions of dollars. The trial is set to begin in Los Angeles next month.

Jackson lawyers complained that AEG Live lawyers engaged in "a concerted tactical effort made to harass and burden the Jackson family through these abusive discovery processes."

While Blanket -- who was just 6 when his father died on June 25, 2009 -- will not be called as a witness in the trial, AEG Live has tried to force him to sit for a deposition, the filing said.

Blanket's doctor provided a letter saying it would be "medically detrimental" to the boy. "Yet defendants still to this day say they may move to compel Blanket's deposition," the Jackson filing said.

Jackson lawyers accused AEG Live lawyers of mistreating Prince when he was deposed on a recent Saturday. They "behaved in a manner designed to agitate the boy, creating serious concern among his guardians and attorneys," their filing said.

"Defense counsel asked the boy completely irrelevant and repetitive personal questions about whether he sends text messages, whether he send text messages from his phone, and whether he 'tweets,'" they said. "Defense counsel also asked the boy about every place he had ever lived, every teacher he had ever had and about his current efforts to start a career in addition to being a full-time student -- none of which have anything to do with the case at hand."

AEG Live lawyer Jessica Stebbins Bina, in an e-mail included in the court filing, defended her co-counsel Marvin Putnam's questioning of Prince.

"My understanding is that the deposition proceeded with appropriate questioning, and that the questions were legitimate questions appropriate to a wrongful death suit," she said.

The Jackson lawyers also complained about the questioning of family matriarch Katherine Jackson, who is 82. AEG Live lawyers deposed her for nine hours over three days and are asking for a fourth chance, they said. The questioning could have been easily done in two or three hours, they told the judge.

The lawsuit contends that AEG Live is responsible for Jackson's death because it hired and supervised Dr. Conrad Murray, who was administering the surgical anesthetic propofol to Jackson each night for a month to induce sleep as he prepared for a series of concerts organized by AEG Live.

AEG Live contends that Michael Jackson chose Murray as his personal physician. The promoter denies having hired or supervised Murray.

A jury found Murray guilty of involuntary manslaughter after hearing testimony that he violated medical standards in his treatment of Jackson.

http://www.cnn.com/2013/03/21/showbiz/paris-jackson-testimony/

Judge sets rules for suit over Jackson doctor

By LINDA DEUTSCH | Associated Press – 3 hrs ago

LOS ANGELES (AP) — A Los Angeles judge set the stage Thursday for trial of a civil suit by Michael Jackson's mother against concert giant AEG Live.

Katherine Jackson claims the company negligently hired the doctor later convicted of involuntary manslaughter in the singer's death and failed to oversee him. She and the singer's two eldest children are expected to testify about the singer's last days.

Legal rulings by Superior Court Judge Yvette Palazuelos anticipated a three-month trial that will revisit events preceding the singer's death from an anesthetic overdose in 2009.

Dr. Conrad Murray, who was convicted of manslaughter for administering the drug propofol, is not named in the lawsuit. But the judge agreed to allow him to be brought to court from jail to testify outside the jury's presence. He has said he would invoke his Fifth Amendment right not to testify. But lawyers said he could possibly talk about non-criminal issues.

The judge said jury selection would begin April 2 and attorneys estimated the search for a panel could be long and difficult because of the notoriety of the parties and the estimated length of the trial.

The judge granted several plaintiff's motions and rejected a few.

She refused to bar AEG from raising the subject of child molestation charges against Jackson from years ago. Lawyers for his mother claim it's irrelevant because he was acquitted.

Katherine Jackson's attorney, Kevin Boyle, argued that "There is nothing more prejudicial than dropping that bomb in court, mentioning child molestation."

But Palazuelos said she would allow testimony that Jackson became despondent and reliant on drugs because of the charges.

She refused to approve inquiry into the finances of Jackson's siblings and barred any testimony about a claim that Katherine Jackson was kidnapped by family members and taken to Arizona last year.

She wouldn't permit AEG lawyers to ask questions about possible discord in the marriage of Katherine and Joe Jackson and she barred any inquiry into the identity of the biological parents of Jackson's three children.

Katherine Jackson's suit seeks hundreds of millions of dollars from AEG including $200 million in non-economic damages, including emotional distress.

The case centers on whether AEG did an appropriate investigation of Murray and whether they controlled him while he was preparing Jackson for a series of concerts in London.

During arguments, the question arose of why Katherine Jackson did not sue Murray. Attorneys disclosed that Jackson's son Prince and his daughter, Paris, testified in depositions that they believed Murray was "a good person" and didn't want him sued. But Katherine Jackson, who had the decision, testified it was financial, they said.

The judge said AEG could have sued Murray as well.

"The same questions can be asked of you," she told AEG lawyers. "Why didn't you sue him?"

"Because we're not required to," attorney Marvin Putnam said.

The judge called the issue "a side show."

"He has no money and that's why they're not suing him," Putnam said.

http://news.yahoo.com/judge-sets-rules-suit-over-jackson-doctor-212959621.html

Thanks for posting this. It is sad AND disgusting how this family's ONLY concern since Michael's death is MONEY. Michael was their ATM machine and now that he is gone, they, including his own mother, Katherine, will do ANYTHING, to get money, even if that means uising his children and throwing Michael under the bus. This family does not give a damn about justice. They have excused the REAL murderer, Conrad Murray,every chance they get because he deosn't represent the big bucks. AEG are bastards, but they didn't KILL Michael. Conrat Murray did and this family has excused him since day one. I guess Katherine is trying to get as much money as she can for her "children", GROWN ASS children, before she dies. The money that she received from Michael all of these years took care of THEM and her. The money that she is STILL receiving from Michael is not enough to take care of them and their famlies, so she has to be greedy and try to get more, even at the expense of her dead son. Katherine could easily have filed this suit WITHOUT involving Michael's children. She is USING them to get money for HERSELF and her "children". Prince,Paris and Blanket do NOT need money. They are worth hundreds and hundreds of millions and their ASSETS are worth BILLIONS. Katherine involved these children to help HERSELF, not these children. Sadly, the ENTIRE, family is sitting back and just waiting for a paycheck. These kids are being basically "brainwashed" by this family and they don't realize what a "a den of thieves" that they live in. Is is any wonder that Michael had trouble sleeping with a family of vultures like this one?

I am a fan of Michael and will ALWAYS be EMOTIONAL attached to anything concerning HIM. That doesn't mean that I allow this to rule my life, far from it. However, I will never stop caring about him or his music. His death does NOT negate my fandom. I wouldn't call myself a fan, if I allowed his death to stop me from caring. Finally, I hope and pray that his family doesn't get SHIT from AEG. Again, this lawsuit has NOTHING to do with JUSTICE. It is only about the Jackson Family CASHING in on Michael's death, and throwing him under the bus every chance they get.

This family now has a supposed "billionaire" son-in-law". I wonder if they are going to badger him and his wife, Janet, for money to support them as they did Michael all his life. You can bet your asses they won't. They never EXPECTED anyone to help them except Michael.

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I will never stop caring about him or his music either, but it fucking hurts me to see all this happen and what happened to him makes me so depressed and I'd never felt so awful in my whole life and I don't even know him. It's just not worth it anymore missing out on all the good in my life. I used to feel so guilty about that, but have to move on now cause I've let it get me down too much and it's not worth it. Whoever is doing wrong now will all get theirs in the end anyways. I don't think I will follow this trial and will just read about it when it's over, and seeing how the last 2 big trials went, there will probably be articles every other day about irrelevant things like the children's paternity and stuff like that...

[Edited 3/23/13 8:17am]

Free2BMe said:

AEG are bastards,

Well, maybe that's all the reasoning they need to go after them.

Katherine could easily have filed this suit WITHOUT involving Michael's children. She is USING them to get money for HERSELF and her "children".

Well, since the children are plaintifs, she just can't take that money and do whatever she pleases with it. She will never get her hands on the children's share, shout they get money out of this.

And since there is grieve for a lost son involved no one of us is really in a position to judge her.

Michael going the way he did seriously did a huge mindfuck on me. I'm so mad at myself for getting hurt the way I was, but it happened. This year is the first year I'm feeling like myself again for the most part, and it was all foolish anyways :*(

[Edited 3/23/13 8:28am]

PatrickS77 said:

Free2BMe said:

AEG are bastards,

Well, maybe that's all the reasoning they need to go after them.

Katherine could easily have filed this suit WITHOUT involving Michael's children. She is USING them to get money for HERSELF and her "children".

Well, since the children are plaintifs, she just can't take that money and do whatever she pleases with it. She will never get her hands on the children's share, shout they get money out of this.

And since there is grieve for a lost son involved no one of us is really in a position to judge her.

My ONLY problem with them going after AEG is because from DAY ONE, this family has basically given Conrat Murray a FREE PASS. When you ask them if he was responsible for Michael's death they "hem and haw" and say he was the fall guy. WTF!!! Conrat Murray was the one who administered the propofol and didn't monitor Michael and basically LEFT HIM TO DIE! ALL of this was brought out by the brillant prosecutor, David Walgreen. Yet, Katherine still does not seem to lay any blame on Murray and did NOT want any restitution from him. Which means that this bastard can come out jail and make MILLIONS off of books, interviews,etc. dispariging Michael. The family has dropped every lawsuit agaist Conrat because they have bigger fish to fry-AEG.

NONE of this is about justice for Michael and that's what makes me sick. This family does not care if Michael is thrown under the bus,because THEY have done it since the first day that he died. What other family in history do you know who has done this about a deceased loved one, especially one who was MURDERED? Again, this family makes me want to vomit and you can bet if the situation were reversed and Janet was the one who was murdered and the family was doing to her what they are doing to Michael, EVERYONE would be outraged.

I have no doubt that Katherine grieved Michael's death; however, she is MORE interested in getting money for her "cubs"( as Jermaine referred to himself and siblings) because Michael was taking care of ALL or most of them and their families before he died. I am hoping, (not going to happen) that Janet and her "billionaire" husband can give the family some of their "millions" so that they can finally stop leeching off of Michael and HIS KIDS money.

[Edited 3/23/13 9:11am]

Free2BMe said:

PatrickS77 said:

Well, since the children are plaintifs, she just can't take that money and do whatever she pleases with it. She will never get her hands on the children's share, shout they get money out of this.

And since there is grieve for a lost son involved no one of us is really in a position to judge her.

My ONLY problem with them going after AEG is because from DAY ONE, this family has basically given Conrat Murray a FREE PASS. When you ask them if he was responsible for Michael's death they "hem and haw" and say he was the fall guy. WTF!!! Conrat Murray was the one who administered the propofol and didn't monitor Michael and basically LEFT HIM TO DIE! ALL of this was brought out by the brillant prosecutor, David Walgreen. Yet, Katherine still does not seem to lay any blame on Murray and did NOT want any restitution from him. Which means that this bastard can come out jail and make MILLIONS off of books, interviews,etc. dispariging Michael. The family has dropped every lawsuit agaist Conrat because they have bigger fish to fry-AEG.

NONE of this is about justice for Michael and that's what makes me sick. This family does not care if Michael is thrown under the bus,because THEY have done it since the first day that he died. What other family in history do you know who has done this about a deceased loved one, especially one who was MURDERED? Again, this family makes me want to vomit and you can bet if the situation were reversed and Janet was the one who was murdered and the family was doing to her what they are doing to Michael, EVERYONE would be outraged.

I have no doubt that Katherine grieved Michael's death; however, she is MORE interested in getting money for her "cubs"( as Jermaine referred to himself and siblings) because Michael was taking care of ALL or most of them and their families before he died. I am hoping, (not going to happen) that Janet and her "billionaire" husband can give the family some of their "millions" so that they can finally stop leeching off of Michael and HIS KIDS money.

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Oh, they did? Strange, I recall them being in court every day for Murray's trial. I recall them stating their dissatisfaction of him only getting 4 years. And if they really believe that AEG also has a part in this, then it doesn't make sense to only blame Murray, now does it? They will say that he "only" is the fall guy for AEG. And as for Murray making millions after getting out. Right. Who is going to give millions to Michael Jacksons murderer? Who wants to really hear more of that ass than what has already been heard during the trial?? I highly doubt that he will make tons of money off of this.

Regarding the trial, the fact of the matter is, Michael is dead. Nothing that will be talked about during the trial will hurt him in any way. Nothing has been said that hasn't already been said or alluded to anyway. But it might shed some more light on the dealings between Michael and AEG.

AEG has made millions out of Michael's death, so why shouldn't his family do so too? Practically speaking.

But whatever... it's a tragedy that all of this has happened. Nothing will ever make it better or right. Also we do not know what is going on it that family (and if all of them think the same, which they apparantly don't). All of us are only making assumptions. So it's not our place to judge.

Free2BMe said:

My ONLY problem with them going after AEG is because from DAY ONE, this family has basically given Conrat Murray a FREE PASS. When you ask them if he was responsible for Michael's death they "hem and haw" and say he was the fall guy. WTF!!! Conrat Murray was the one who administered the propofol and didn't monitor Michael and basically LEFT HIM TO DIE! ALL of this was brought out by the brillant prosecutor, David Walgreen. Yet, Katherine still does not seem to lay any blame on Murray and did NOT want any restitution from him. Which means that this bastard can come out jail and make MILLIONS off of books, interviews,etc. dispariging Michael. The family has dropped every lawsuit agaist Conrat because they have bigger fish to fry-AEG.

NONE of this is about justice for Michael and that's what makes me sick. This family does not care if Michael is thrown under the bus,because THEY have done it since the first day that he died. What other family in history do you know who has done this about a deceased loved one, especially one who was MURDERED? Again, this family makes me want to vomit and you can bet if the situation were reversed and Janet was the one who was murdered and the family was doing to her what they are doing to Michael, EVERYONE would be outraged.

I have no doubt that Katherine grieved Michael's death; however, she is MORE interested in getting money for her "cubs"( as Jermaine referred to himself and siblings) because Michael was taking care of ALL or most of them and their families before he died. I am hoping, (not going to happen) that Janet and her "billionaire" husband can give the family some of their "millions" so that they can finally stop leeching off of Michael and HIS KIDS money.

[Edited 3/23/13 9:11am]

What gets you is, it's always MJ that is thrown under the bus. When it comes to the rest of the family, Katherine protects them. Never does she allow their dirt to get out there. But MJ and now his kids are always fair game. I don't know, I just don't get how the ones you want to make money off of is treated this way.

It would be like Priscilla being careless about Elvis. Do you honeslty think she would've have made the money she did if she acted like The Jacksons? Because she went about it the way she did, I have a "get yours" attitude when it comes to her. But with the Jacksons you just want to puke at the thought of them getting any sort of money from this tragedy. Look up who it is this family have in their corner and it's the same assholes who did MJ wrong like Dieter. But we're supposed to root for them?

No doubt AEG are evil, but The Jackons are even more messed up because they are MJ's family and for them to act the way they have is just seriously screwy. Something's wrong when Murray's lawyer doesn't want to make the kids relive those last days, but their own family have no problem with throwng them into the lion's den while making sure the AEG lawyers can't touch the rest of them. And can you believe the family wanted this trial televised?

mookie said:

Free2BMe said:

My ONLY problem with them going after AEG is because from DAY ONE, this family has basically given Conrat Murray a FREE PASS. When you ask them if he was responsible for Michael's death they "hem and haw" and say he was the fall guy. WTF!!! Conrat Murray was the one who administered the propofol and didn't monitor Michael and basically LEFT HIM TO DIE! ALL of this was brought out by the brillant prosecutor, David Walgreen. Yet, Katherine still does not seem to lay any blame on Murray and did NOT want any restitution from him. Which means that this bastard can come out jail and make MILLIONS off of books, interviews,etc. dispariging Michael. The family has dropped every lawsuit agaist Conrat because they have bigger fish to fry-AEG.

NONE of this is about justice for Michael and that's what makes me sick. This family does not care if Michael is thrown under the bus,because THEY have done it since the first day that he died. What other family in history do you know who has done this about a deceased loved one, especially one who was MURDERED? Again, this family makes me want to vomit and you can bet if the situation were reversed and Janet was the one who was murdered and the family was doing to her what they are doing to Michael, EVERYONE would be outraged.

I have no doubt that Katherine grieved Michael's death; however, she is MORE interested in getting money for her "cubs"( as Jermaine referred to himself and siblings) because Michael was taking care of ALL or most of them and their families before he died. I am hoping, (not going to happen) that Janet and her "billionaire" husband can give the family some of their "millions" so that they can finally stop leeching off of Michael and HIS KIDS money.

[Edited 3/23/13 9:11am]

What gets you is, it's always MJ that is thrown under the bus. When it comes to the rest of the family, Katherine protects them. Never does she allow their dirt to get out there. But MJ and now his kids are always fair game. I don't know, I just don't get how the ones you want to make money off of is treated this way.

It would be like Priscilla being careless about Elvis. Do you honeslty think she would've have made the money she did if she acted like The Jacksons? Because she went about it the way she did, I have a "get yours" attitude when it comes to her. But with the Jacksons you just want to puke at the thought of them getting any sort of money from this tragedy. Look up who it is this family have in their corner and it's the same assholes who did MJ wrong like Dieter. But we're supposed to root for them?

No doubt AEG are evil, but The Jackons are even more messed up because they are MJ's family and for them to act the way they have is just seriously screwy. Something's wrong when Murray's lawyer doesn't want to make the kids relive those last days, but their own family have no problem with throwng them into the lion's den while making sure the AEG lawyers can't touch the rest of them. And can you believe the family wanted this trial televised?

Thank you. Katherine fought to have the mess that occured last summer when Janet and Co. tried to overthrow the estate, out of this court trial. AEG wanted to bring it up because it shows the monetary motive of this lawsuit. Katherine doesn't want her "cubs"(her GROWN children) to testify; however,she wants KIDS (Michael's children) to testify. AEG did NOT want Paris to have to do her deposition at the courthouse where paparaazi could see her going into the courthouse. However, Katherine and her lawyers wanted her there, for some reason. Prince did his depo at the attorney's office. Why did Katherine want Paris' at the courthouse? Why would Katherine and her lawyers want this televised?

PatrickS77 said:

Free2BMe said:

My ONLY problem with them going after AEG is because from DAY ONE, this family has basically given Conrat Murray a FREE PASS. When you ask them if he was responsible for Michael's death they "hem and haw" and say he was the fall guy. WTF!!! Conrat Murray was the one who administered the propofol and didn't monitor Michael and basically LEFT HIM TO DIE! ALL of this was brought out by the brillant prosecutor, David Walgreen. Yet, Katherine still does not seem to lay any blame on Murray and did NOT want any restitution from him. Which means that this bastard can come out jail and make MILLIONS off of books, interviews,etc. dispariging Michael. The family has dropped every lawsuit agaist Conrat because they have bigger fish to fry-AEG.

NONE of this is about justice for Michael and that's what makes me sick. This family does not care if Michael is thrown under the bus,because THEY have done it since the first day that he died. What other family in history do you know who has done this about a deceased loved one, especially one who was MURDERED? Again, this family makes me want to vomit and you can bet if the situation were reversed and Janet was the one who was murdered and the family was doing to her what they are doing to Michael, EVERYONE would be outraged.

I have no doubt that Katherine grieved Michael's death; however, she is MORE interested in getting money for her "cubs"( as Jermaine referred to himself and siblings) because Michael was taking care of ALL or most of them and their families before he died. I am hoping, (not going to happen) that Janet and her "billionaire" husband can give the family some of their "millions" so that they can finally stop leeching off of Michael and HIS KIDS money.

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Oh, they did? Strange, I recall them being in court every day for Murray's trial. I recall them stating their dissatisfaction of him only getting 4 years. And if they really believe that AEG also has a part in this, then it doesn't make sense to only blame Murray, now does it? They will say that he "only" is the fall guy for AEG. And as for Murray making millions after getting out. Right. Who is going to give millions to Michael Jacksons murderer? Who wants to really hear more of that ass than what has already been heard during the trial?? I highly doubt that he will make tons of money off of this.

Regarding the trial, the fact of the matter is, Michael is dead. Nothing that will be talked about during the trial will hurt him in any way. Nothing has been said that hasn't already been said or alluded to anyway. But it might shed some more light on the dealings between Michael and AEG.

AEG has made millions out of Michael's death, so why shouldn't his family do so too? Practically speaking.

But whatever... it's a tragedy that all of this has happened. Nothing will ever make it better or right. Also we do not know what is going on it that family (and if all of them think the same, which they apparantly don't). All of us are only making assumptions. So it's not our place to judge.

Katherine and other family members WERE at court every day for the trial. They were SUPPOSED to be there. It was the least that they could do since Michael was their son and brother. Their being there is no more than every family does in the same situation. They don't get a pass just because they are the Jacksons. Wouldn't YOU be in court every day if this involved YOUR family member. I KNOW that I would.

You say that it doesn't matter that Michael is dead. Yes, it does matter. Michael is no longer here, however,it does NOT give some members of this family the right to do what they have done since Michael was murdered. They have thrown Michael under the bus EVERY chance that they get since he is no longer here. Name one family who has done that to their deceased loved one, especially the family of the MOST FAMOUS PERSON EVER? Why disrespect your loved ones memory when OTHER families try to PROTECT their loved one's memory. Members of the Jackson family have done the complete opposite. They have done everything in their power to portray Michael in a negative way. Would ANY of us on this board or in thread do the things that THIS family has done. I don't think so.

Free2BMe said:

Thank you. Katherine fought to have the mess that occured last summer when Janet and Co. tried to overthrow the estate, out of this court trial. AEG wanted to bring it up because it shows the monetary motive of this lawsuit. Katherine doesn't want her "cubs"(her GROWN children) to testify; however,she wants KIDS (Michael's children) to testify. AEG did NOT want Paris to have to do her deposition at the courthouse where paparaazi could see her going into the courthouse. However, Katherine and her lawyers wanted her there, for some reason. Prince did his depo at the attorney's office. Why did Katherine want Paris' at the courthouse? Why would Katherine and her lawyers want this televised?

Yes. Obviously she (or her lawyers) didn't want to have that in as a) it shows the Jacksons in a bad light and more importantly b) it has absolutely nothing to do with the case. The Jacksons, other than Katherine and Michael's children have absolutely nothing to do with the case, that's why it's not in. Especially now, since it's narrowed down to whether AEG hired Murray or not.

As for the deposition. Does it really matter where it takes place? As I understand, it was not in open court. It was only the lawyers and no viewers present. So really, whether it's at a courthouse or an attorney's office doesn't make much difference. The fact that they had to testify (well, maybe they wanted to testify anyway) is bad enough.

I'm not aware that the Jacksons wanted it televised, but if so, why is it a bad thing? The Jacksons think AEG did Michael wrong and want the world to take notice of that, no? No one knows their reasoning, but automatically the worst is assumed.

Free2BMe said:

Katherine and other family members WERE at court every day for the trial. They were SUPPOSED to be there. It was the least that they could do since Michael was their son and brother. Their being there is no more than every family does in the same situation. They don't get a pass just because they are the Jacksons. Wouldn't YOU be in court every day if this involved YOUR family member. I KNOW that I would.

You say that it doesn't matter that Michael is dead. Yes, it does matter. Michael is no longer here, however,it does NOT give some members of this family the right to do what they have done since Michael was murdered. They have thrown Michael under the bus EVERY chance that they get since he is no longer here. Name one family who has done that to their deceased loved one, especially the family of the MOST FAMOUS PERSON EVER? Why disrespect your loved ones memory when OTHER families try to PROTECT their loved one's memory. Members of the Jackson family have done the complete opposite. They have done everything in their power to portray Michael in a negative way. Would ANY of us on this board or in thread do the things that THIS family has done. I don't think so.

Oh, so they were only there because they were supposed to be there? Janet postponed her australian shows because she was supposed to be there, not because she wanted to see that Dr. that killed her brother go down? None of them wanted to be there to see that guy taking responsibility and being punished for what he has done??! To assume they are giving that quack a "pass" is just preposterous really.

Obviously it doesn't not matter that Michael is dead. It matters, it sucks. But it is the reality. So whatever they are doing now won't do any harm to him. And by throwing him under the bus, you mean that some of them do believe that he was addicted?? Sorry, but they are his family. They knew him. They had more interactions with him than all fans combined. If they want to believe that he was addicted then how can I fault them for that?? I personally do think they are wrong, but I'm just a fan. I only know things from afar. Maybe they do know things that I don't. But I really can't fault them for what they think or were made to believe by certain people. And sorry, I saw all of the brothers telling the press what a wonderful person Michael was. So really, if they say some things that don't sugarcoat and don't sweep everything surrounding his death under the rug, how can I blame them or judge them for it?

Don't get me wrong, I do not agree with everything they are doing. I'm opposing quite some things they are doing. But really, I do not know all their reasoning. And I can't condemn someone just by assuming things. And that's what most fans are doing.

PatrickS77 said:

Free2BMe said:

Thank you. Katherine fought to have the mess that occured last summer when Janet and Co. tried to overthrow the estate, out of this court trial. AEG wanted to bring it up because it shows the monetary motive of this lawsuit. Katherine doesn't want her "cubs"(her GROWN children) to testify; however,she wants KIDS (Michael's children) to testify. AEG did NOT want Paris to have to do her deposition at the courthouse where paparaazi could see her going into the courthouse. However, Katherine and her lawyers wanted her there, for some reason. Prince did his depo at the attorney's office. Why did Katherine want Paris' at the courthouse? Why would Katherine and her lawyers want this televised?

Yes. Obviously she (or her lawyers) didn't want to have that in as a) it shows the Jacksons in a bad light and more importantly b) it has absolutely nothing to do with the case. The Jacksons, other than Katherine and Michael's children have absolutely nothing to do with the case, that's why it's not in. Especially now, since it's narrowed down to whether AEG hired Murray or not.

As for the deposition. Does it really matter where it takes place? As I understand, it was not in open court. It was only the lawyers and no viewers present. So really, whether it's at a courthouse or an attorney's office doesn't make much difference. The fact that they had to testify (well, maybe they wanted to testify anyway) is bad enough.

I'm not aware that the Jacksons wanted it televised, but if so, why is it a bad thing? The Jacksons think AEG did Michael wrong and want the world to take notice of that, no? No one knows their reasoning, but automatically the worst is assumed.

Free2BMe said:

Katherine and other family members WERE at court every day for the trial. They were SUPPOSED to be there. It was the least that they could do since Michael was their son and brother. Their being there is no more than every family does in the same situation. They don't get a pass just because they are the Jacksons. Wouldn't YOU be in court every day if this involved YOUR family member. I KNOW that I would.

You say that it doesn't matter that Michael is dead. Yes, it does matter. Michael is no longer here, however,it does NOT give some members of this family the right to do what they have done since Michael was murdered. They have thrown Michael under the bus EVERY chance that they get since he is no longer here. Name one family who has done that to their deceased loved one, especially the family of the MOST FAMOUS PERSON EVER? Why disrespect your loved ones memory when OTHER families try to PROTECT their loved one's memory. Members of the Jackson family have done the complete opposite. They have done everything in their power to portray Michael in a negative way. Would ANY of us on this board or in thread do the things that THIS family has done. I don't think so.

Oh, so they were only there because they were supposed to be there? Janet postponed her australian shows because she was supposed to be there, not because she wanted to see that Dr. that killed her brother go down? None of them wanted to be there to see that guy taking responsibility and being punished for what he has done??! To assume they are giving that quack a "pass" is just preposterous really.

Obviously it doesn't not matter that Michael is dead. It matters, it sucks. But it is the reality. So whatever they are doing now won't do any harm to him. And by throwing him under the bus, you mean that some of them do believe that he was addicted?? Sorry, but they are his family. They knew him. They had more interactions with him than all fans combined. If they want to believe that he was addicted then how can I fault them for that?? I personally do think they are wrong, but I'm just a fan. I only know things from afar. Maybe they do know things that I don't. But I really can't fault them for what they think or were made to believe by certain people. And sorry, I saw all of the brothers telling the press what a wonderful person Michael was. So really, if they say some things that don't sugarcoat and don't sweep everything surrounding his death under the rug, how can I blame them or judge them for it?

Don't get me wrong, I do not agree with everything they are doing. I'm opposing quite some things they are doing. But really, I do not know all their reasoning. And I can't condemn someone just by assuming things. And that's what most fans are doing.

You made some good points in your post. YES, Michael's family was SUPPOSED to be there. They are his FAMILY. Don't forget that he was their BROTHER and SON. Janet was in court one or two days. It really doesn't matter whether she cancelled a few dates or not. Michael was HER BROTHER. I would have cancelled EVERYTHING to be there for MY brothers or SISTER. Again, Michael's FAMILY was SUPPOSED to be there. Other families are in court for their loved ones and the Jacksons are no different. They don't get brownie points for doing what ANY family is supposed to do-support your loved ones.

Free2BMe said:

You say that it doesn't matter that Michael is dead. Yes, it does matter. Michael is no longer here, however,it does NOT give some members of this family the right to do what they have done since Michael was murdered. They have thrown Michael under the bus EVERY chance that they get since he is no longer here. Name one family who has done that to their deceased loved one, especially the family of the MOST FAMOUS PERSON EVER? Why disrespect your loved ones memory when OTHER families try to PROTECT their loved one's memory. Members of the Jackson family have done the complete opposite. They have done everything in their power to portray Michael in a negative way. Would ANY of us on this board or in thread do the things that THIS family has done. I don't think so.

Just overall it's disgusting to watch beause the family is no better than AEG. Both sides could careless about MJ the person. All he was to both sides was an ATM machine. Some make a good point when they bring up Britney Spears. When she toured and did X Factor those companies could careless about her well being. But her father and fiance was there to look out for her. Jacksons didn't do this for MJ. They had their own crappy projects that wanted him to do.

And I have to say it'a awfully cringing when you see some trying to justify and donwplay the family's actions. You just wonder as you read this crap, why if they are this oh well about things, why has their always been this bitternesss about the glory and credit the white icons and their families get then? Bring up Elvis or Priscilla Presley right now to these family lovers and they lose their shit. But they justify the continued throwing of MJ under the bus and the slimey actions of MJ's family. Huh??

Bottom line is, these white families would never in a million years do the things The Jackson family does. And that is why they have the respectability the Jackons don't have. Like see how some try to prop up Katherine? (one of the bigger WTF on the MJ forums,IMO) But Katherine has yet to be associated with anyone respectable and anyone with ounce of credibility. LOL So does that not back up what the fans are saying about the family?

So give me a break with any of this kumbaya family nonsense.

[Edited 3/24/13 9:44am]

mookie said:

Free2BMe said:

You say that it doesn't matter that Michael is dead. Yes, it does matter. Michael is no longer here, however,it does NOT give some members of this family the right to do what they have done since Michael was murdered. They have thrown Michael under the bus EVERY chance that they get since he is no longer here. Name one family who has done that to their deceased loved one, especially the family of the MOST FAMOUS PERSON EVER? Why disrespect your loved ones memory when OTHER families try to PROTECT their loved one's memory. Members of the Jackson family have done the complete opposite. They have done everything in their power to portray Michael in a negative way. Would ANY of us on this board or in thread do the things that THIS family has done. I don't think so.

Just overall it's disgusting to watch beause the family is no better than AEG. Both sides could careless about MJ the person. All he was to both sides was an ATM machine. Some make a good point when they bring up Britney Spears. When she toured and did X Factor those companies could careless about her well being. But her father and fiance was there to look out for her. Jacksons didn't do this for MJ. They had their own crappy projects that wanted him to do.

And I have to say it'a awfully cringing when you see some trying to justify and donwplay the family's actions. You just wonder as you read this crap, why if they are this oh well about things, why has their always been this bitternesss about the glory and credit the white icons and their families get then? Bring up Elvis or Priscilla Presley right now to these family lovers and they lose their shit. But they justify the continued throwing of MJ under the bus and the slimey actions of MJ's family. Huh??

Bottom line is, these white families would never in a million years do the things The Jackson family does. And that is why they have the respectability the Jackons don't have. Like see how some try to prop up Katherine? (one of the bigger WTF on the MJ forums,IMO) But Katherine has yet to be associated with anyone respectable and anyone with ounce of credibility. LOL So does that not back up what the fans are saying about the family?

So give me a break with any of this kumbaya family nonsense.

[Edited 3/24/13 9:44am]

Agree with every single word, EXCELLENT post

This is the absolute best film ever done on Michael. if you have 4 hours handy, watch it. you will not regret it. It is simply beautiful.

MJ had the best smile!!

^Yes he does! And I just found this pic of MJ, never seen it before:

Love the facial expression Maybe he was trying to do the Elvis lip curl? Lol

The Voice Premieres: Is Michael Jackson Protégé Judith Hill The One To Beat?

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I saw Judith on The Voice and thought she was great. Unless Adam screws her over, she's clearly one of the top contenders. And what was also great to see was her saying after MJ's memorial she got offers from record companies, but she thought it would be tacky to capitalize off of MJ's death.

cute pics of mj in the 70's and bad era