ElectricBlue said:

Actually the smoking gun of MJ being a pedophile is a few things not many bring up:Look at Neverland its what 2,400 acres of land, every square inch of the place foras far as the eye can see is "child-like". Peter Pan, Toys, Disney, Rides, Candy, Zoo, Trains, etc... in MJ's home again "child-like" paintings & really all the above examples. Thats 2,399 acres or like 99% of Neverland.Now lets talk about that 1%. WHY would MJ invite, allow, even want little underage boys to sleep in his bedroom WHEN he knows that there is XXX porn on every flat surfice?? He knows this... its the only place & time he acts like a grown adult! He has porn videos, porn magazines, photos he personally took, naked books & odd art semi-sexual child books!? So why would MJ allow or even want to have any underage children near such "adult content"?? Its not like he had ONE magazine around & ONE video he forgot was out. MJ had 100's & 100's of adult content/very hardcore porno ALL over the place!!!Forget we are just sleeping bs spin... why MJ did you allow boys in an area which is TOTALLY 100% different from where EVERYONE see's?? ALL these kids, their parents are seeing the other 99% of a 2399 acre ranch! They dont know that behind those closed doors MJ has disgusting fetish porn, not your everyday run of the mill porn... but genre porn mixed with other crazy shit!another thing -After MJ paid off 2 kids, not one like he said for a decade we found out another kid was paid off at the sametime so he paid off around $25 Million... for 2 boys to not talk about what he did to them. Now lets look at 1992-1994 MJ went from the biggest star in the world to losing endorsement deals, his name was 100% shit in the publics eyes & the news medias eyes! You cant get any lower than those couple years...Now after everyone is paid off, all the fires are put out... but 95% of the public thinks your a pedophile.In 1995 you SLEEP in bed with yet another boy Frank Tyson? You give this boy wine & talk to him about graphic sexual stories & acts??? You just lost everything & in less than a year you back at it again?? How do we know this... Frank Tyson did a 45 minute interview with "Celebrity Justice" (TMZ) it was the name of TMZ before they changed it. Harvey interviewed him & they used to have the audio online. When the channel changed names he took it down, but you can see other news outlets bringing up that interview!Here's 2 major things MJ did, it shows his true creepy character & makes no sense for a non-pedophile to do. ALL these boys now are 30+ years old and they are thinking "I wouldnt hang with a 9 year old, give them wine, tell them sexual stuff, show them magazines & porno".... But MJ did! He lost his good name a year later he's in bed giving wine with another boy & telling him sexual stuff? He has a HUGE Neverland Ranch where everything you see in the public is "child like" as soon as he gets these boys behind closed doors its all "fetish adult hardcore porno".Please. Now add at the sametime he's wasted on drugs, wasted to the point he's using his own son's name & others names to score pills! He did that for 15+years! Name after name.. workers names & eventually even his own sons name! How can ANYONE that knew him judge his character when it was clouded with hardcore drugs. Mix that with being sexually interested into boys... Did all these "character judgers" know he had hardcore porno in the EXACT area where he brought these boys at night to sleep with... was that known?? Was that cool with them all the fetish porn mixed with little kid toys in the same bedroom?

YOu got to be joking right? They found a couple of "normal" straight porn magazines that weren't anything abnormal in his house and it wasn't plenty of it either. Gavin Arvizo and his brother Star were the ones that bought some additional porn magazines when Michael was away from Neverland. Your story isn't true either, MJ NEVER gave wine to any underaged kids that's just tabloid shit. Do you really believe MJ would give wine to cancer sick children? Come on now.. Fabricated stories... When you talk about boys, you forget that it wasn't only boys but girls too and MJ didn't sleep in the same bed as them most of the time, because he had insomnia and would play videogames or create music. It's always funny how ppl always fail to mention Jordans Chandlers sister Lily Chandler and the close relationship the family had at the time.

It's also interesting that Lily Chandler still is a Michael Jackson fan and has in the past yrs or so liked his photos and liked videos on youtube of her and MJ. Isn't that a bit strange? That the sister of one of the accusers still remains a MJ fan? (That's her today) It's all about money.

ElectricBlue said:

Actually the smoking gun of MJ being a pedophile is a few things not many bring up:Look at Neverland its what 2,400 acres of land, every square inch of the place foras far as the eye can see is "child-like". Peter Pan, Toys, Disney, Rides, Candy, Zoo, Trains, etc... in MJ's home again "child-like" paintings & really all the above examples. Thats 2,399 acres or like 99% of Neverland.Now lets talk about that 1%. WHY would MJ invite, allow, even want little underage boys to sleep in his bedroom WHEN he knows that there is XXX porn on every flat surfice?? He knows this... its the only place & time he acts like a grown adult! He has porn videos, porn magazines, photos he personally took, naked books & odd art semi-sexual child books!? So why would MJ allow or even want to have any underage children near such "adult content"?? Its not like he had ONE magazine around & ONE video he forgot was out. MJ had 100's & 100's of adult content/very hardcore porno ALL over the place!!!Forget we are just sleeping bs spin... why MJ did you allow boys in an area which is TOTALLY 100% different from where EVERYONE see's?? ALL these kids, their parents are seeing the other 99% of a 2399 acre ranch! They dont know that behind those closed doors MJ has disgusting fetish porn, not your everyday run of the mill porn... but genre porn mixed with other crazy shit!another thing -After MJ paid off 2 kids, not one like he said for a decade we found out another kid was paid off at the sametime so he paid off around $25 Million... for 2 boys to not talk about what he did to them. Now lets look at 1992-1994 MJ went from the biggest star in the world to losing endorsement deals, his name was 100% shit in the publics eyes & the news medias eyes! You cant get any lower than those couple years...Now after everyone is paid off, all the fires are put out... but 95% of the public thinks your a pedophile.In 1995 you SLEEP in bed with yet another boy Frank Tyson? You give this boy wine & talk to him about graphic sexual stories & acts??? You just lost everything & in less than a year you back at it again?? How do we know this... Frank Tyson did a 45 minute interview with "Celebrity Justice" (TMZ) it was the name of TMZ before they changed it. Harvey interviewed him & they used to have the audio online. When the channel changed names he took it down, but you can see other news outlets bringing up that interview!Here's 2 major things MJ did, it shows his true creepy character & makes no sense for a non-pedophile to do. ALL these boys now are 30+ years old and they are thinking "I wouldnt hang with a 9 year old, give them wine, tell them sexual stuff, show them magazines & porno".... But MJ did! He lost his good name a year later he's in bed giving wine with another boy & telling him sexual stuff? He has a HUGE Neverland Ranch where everything you see in the public is "child like" as soon as he gets these boys behind closed doors its all "fetish adult hardcore porno".Please. Now add at the sametime he's wasted on drugs, wasted to the point he's using his own son's name & others names to score pills! He did that for 15+years! Name after name.. workers names & eventually even his own sons name! How can ANYONE that knew him judge his character when it was clouded with hardcore drugs. Mix that with being sexually interested into boys... Did all these "character judgers" know he had hardcore porno in the EXACT area where he brought these boys at night to sleep with... was that known?? Was that cool with them all the fetish porn mixed with little kid toys in the same bedroom?

The sad thing is that these points you're raising and the points I made earlier are just a tiny fraction of the points that could be made. There's actually so much clear evidence of sexual goings on that it's too time-consuming (and depressing) to go over most of it.

The Frank Tyson thing is particularly damning. MJ fans continue to claim he was asexual and innocent, even when his own defenders like Tyson admit that he would drink alcohol and talk about sex with them whilst half-naked in the fucking jacuzzi! And yes, all the pornography in the house was located in the one room where he was alone with the boys. Oh and of course Jordan accurately described markings on the underside of MJ's penis - which would only have been visible during an erection - too. The amount of evidence against this man is fucking overwhelming!

Even the few MJ fans who admit that he was gay are absolutely unconcerned about him taking boys (never girls) to sleep alone with him at night. What can you say about the morals of these people? I'm not saying they're evil, but I do say that their actions are manifestations of evil.

[Edited 5/23/13 9:21am]

mynameisnotsusan said:

I have no problem believing Wade would lie for Michael on the stand, just as I'm certain if any of these defenders got anywhere near MJ they would have lied for him too. Wade idolised MJ since a young age, he knew him well, he owes his career to him. Yet after the birth of his son he came to realise that what MJ did to him was WRONG. The idea that he would just flip and do it for cash doesn't make sense. How much money would it take for you to lie against the idol you worship ? A million bucks? 5 million ? 40 million ?? Is there any amount of money that would make you lie against MJ? No amount of money, right. Except Wade was much closer to MJ than any of you lot were. I love the fact MJ defenders are going so hard against Wade. Because this "lying piece of scumbag shit" was one of MJs strongest defence witnesses!! "He's not credible" Please, undermine him some more!

Slaughtering any MJ associates who tell the truth about him is standard practice for MJ fans. Quincy Jones, Mark Lester, David Boteach, Raymone Bain, Bob Jones, Terry George... the list goes on and on. It doesn't matter how well these people knew Michael. If they say anything inconvenient the fans turn on them like a bunch of ravenous wolves.

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This porn (adult and straight though) in his home disappointed me.
I preferred to think that MJ is so special and innocent, that he went to sleep with a teddy bear after watching a cartoon, but it turned out that he had some interest in this area.

GoldDolphin said:

Hopefully someones gonna come back with a rebuttal against your facts

while i go make some popcorn!

ElectricBlue said:

Actually the smoking gun of MJ being a pedophile is a few things not many bring up:Look at Neverland its what 2,400 acres of land, every square inch of the place foras far as the eye can see is "child-like". Peter Pan, Toys, Disney, Rides, Candy, Zoo, Trains, etc... in MJ's home again "child-like" paintings & really all the above examples. Thats 2,399 acres or like 99% of Neverland.Now lets talk about that 1%. WHY would MJ invite, allow, even want little underage boys to sleep in his bedroom WHEN he knows that there is XXX porn on every flat surfice?? He knows this... its the only place & time he acts like a grown adult! He has porn videos, porn magazines, photos he personally took, naked books & odd art semi-sexual child books!? So why would MJ allow or even want to have any underage children near such "adult content"?? Its not like he had ONE magazine around & ONE video he forgot was out. MJ had 100's & 100's of adult content/very hardcore porno ALL over the place!!!Forget we are just sleeping bs spin... why MJ did you allow boys in an area which is TOTALLY 100% different from where EVERYONE see's?? ALL these kids, their parents are seeing the other 99% of a 2399 acre ranch! They dont know that behind those closed doors MJ has disgusting fetish porn, not your everyday run of the mill porn... but genre porn mixed with other crazy shit!another thing -After MJ paid off 2 kids, not one like he said for a decade we found out another kid was paid off at the sametime so he paid off around $25 Million... for 2 boys to not talk about what he did to them. Now lets look at 1992-1994 MJ went from the biggest star in the world to losing endorsement deals, his name was 100% shit in the publics eyes & the news medias eyes! You cant get any lower than those couple years...Now after everyone is paid off, all the fires are put out... but 95% of the public thinks your a pedophile.In 1995 you SLEEP in bed with yet another boy Frank Tyson? You give this boy wine & talk to him about graphic sexual stories & acts??? You just lost everything & in less than a year you back at it again?? How do we know this... Frank Tyson did a 45 minute interview with "Celebrity Justice" (TMZ) it was the name of TMZ before they changed it. Harvey interviewed him & they used to have the audio online. When the channel changed names he took it down, but you can see other news outlets bringing up that interview!Here's 2 major things MJ did, it shows his true creepy character & makes no sense for a non-pedophile to do. ALL these boys now are 30+ years old and they are thinking "I wouldnt hang with a 9 year old, give them wine, tell them sexual stuff, show them magazines & porno".... But MJ did! He lost his good name a year later he's in bed giving wine with another boy & telling him sexual stuff? He has a HUGE Neverland Ranch where everything you see in the public is "child like" as soon as he gets these boys behind closed doors its all "fetish adult hardcore porno".Please. Now add at the sametime he's wasted on drugs, wasted to the point he's using his own son's name & others names to score pills! He did that for 15+years! Name after name.. workers names & eventually even his own sons name! How can ANYONE that knew him judge his character when it was clouded with hardcore drugs. Mix that with being sexually interested into boys... Did all these "character judgers" know he had hardcore porno in the EXACT area where he brought these boys at night to sleep with... was that known?? Was that cool with them all the fetish porn mixed with little kid toys in the same bedroom?

Ace said:

As Joan Rivers said, 'You don't give away $20 million for shaking hands.'

There could be a video of Michael Jackson with his penis in a boy's rectum and some of his fans would still try to explain it away.

I understand the desire to not want to believe horrific things about someone you've admired, but the pay-off to the first kid is proof enough for me (as it should be for you, if you're not wilfully donning blinders). And please spare me the rationalization that the insurance company made him settle. We all know how insurance companies love to give millions of dollars away.

It's okay, folks - you can like the art, but not the artist.

Spurious logic.

The payoff just as easily "proves" it was a shakedown.

Ace, when in doubt, the best thing to do is follow the money. See where the money ends up. See who gain, and how much they gain.

MJ's relationships with children - especially boys - was inappropriate but based on what we know about child abusers, based on what we know about these cases brought against MJ, and based on the behaviour of his accusers, nobody can say objectively and with certainty that he was a molester.

midnightmover said:

ElectricBlue said:

Actually the smoking gun of MJ being a pedophile is a few things not many bring up:Look at Neverland its what 2,400 acres of land, every square inch of the place foras far as the eye can see is "child-like". Peter Pan, Toys, Disney, Rides, Candy, Zoo, Trains, etc... in MJ's home again "child-like" paintings & really all the above examples. Thats 2,399 acres or like 99% of Neverland.Now lets talk about that 1%. WHY would MJ invite, allow, even want little underage boys to sleep in his bedroom WHEN he knows that there is XXX porn on every flat surfice?? He knows this... its the only place & time he acts like a grown adult! He has porn videos, porn magazines, photos he personally took, naked books & odd art semi-sexual child books!? So why would MJ allow or even want to have any underage children near such "adult content"?? Its not like he had ONE magazine around & ONE video he forgot was out. MJ had 100's & 100's of adult content/very hardcore porno ALL over the place!!!Forget we are just sleeping bs spin... why MJ did you allow boys in an area which is TOTALLY 100% different from where EVERYONE see's?? ALL these kids, their parents are seeing the other 99% of a 2399 acre ranch! They dont know that behind those closed doors MJ has disgusting fetish porn, not your everyday run of the mill porn... but genre porn mixed with other crazy shit!another thing -After MJ paid off 2 kids, not one like he said for a decade we found out another kid was paid off at the sametime so he paid off around $25 Million... for 2 boys to not talk about what he did to them. Now lets look at 1992-1994 MJ went from the biggest star in the world to losing endorsement deals, his name was 100% shit in the publics eyes & the news medias eyes! You cant get any lower than those couple years...Now after everyone is paid off, all the fires are put out... but 95% of the public thinks your a pedophile.In 1995 you SLEEP in bed with yet another boy Frank Tyson? You give this boy wine & talk to him about graphic sexual stories & acts??? You just lost everything & in less than a year you back at it again?? How do we know this... Frank Tyson did a 45 minute interview with "Celebrity Justice" (TMZ) it was the name of TMZ before they changed it. Harvey interviewed him & they used to have the audio online. When the channel changed names he took it down, but you can see other news outlets bringing up that interview!Here's 2 major things MJ did, it shows his true creepy character & makes no sense for a non-pedophile to do. ALL these boys now are 30+ years old and they are thinking "I wouldnt hang with a 9 year old, give them wine, tell them sexual stuff, show them magazines & porno".... But MJ did! He lost his good name a year later he's in bed giving wine with another boy & telling him sexual stuff? He has a HUGE Neverland Ranch where everything you see in the public is "child like" as soon as he gets these boys behind closed doors its all "fetish adult hardcore porno".Please. Now add at the sametime he's wasted on drugs, wasted to the point he's using his own son's name & others names to score pills! He did that for 15+years! Name after name.. workers names & eventually even his own sons name! How can ANYONE that knew him judge his character when it was clouded with hardcore drugs. Mix that with being sexually interested into boys... Did all these "character judgers" know he had hardcore porno in the EXACT area where he brought these boys at night to sleep with... was that known?? Was that cool with them all the fetish porn mixed with little kid toys in the same bedroom?

The sad thing is that these points you're raising and the points I made earlier are just a tiny fraction of the points that could be made. There's actually so much clear evidence of sexual goings on that it's too time-consuming (and depressing) to go over most of it.

The Frank Tyson thing is particularly damning. MJ fans continue to claim he was asexual and innocent, even when his own defenders like Tyson admit that he would drink alcohol and talk about sex with them whilst half-naked in the fucking jacuzzi! And yes, all the pornography in the house was located in the one room where he was alone with the boys. Oh and of course Jordan accurately described markings on the underside of MJ's penis - which would only have been visible during an erection - too. The amount of evidence against this man is fucking overwhelming!

Even the few MJ fans who admit that he was gay are absolutely unconcerned about him taking boys (never girls) to sleep alone with him at night. What can you say about the morals of these people? I'm not saying they're evil, but I do say that their actions are manifestations of evil.

[Edited 5/23/13 9:21am]

That's not true, had it been true MJ would have been in jail. They took pictures of MJs penis and other stuff and Jordan claimed that Michael was circumcised when in fact he wasnt which proves to me that it never happened. Anyone who sees an erect penis would know if the penis was circumcised or not and since he claimed Michael was when he wasn't, means it was just bullshit. The vitiligo spots didn't match either. I don't know where you are getting your information but it's just tabloid SHIT. Interesting that you completely forget the FBI investigation that was done during all those yrs and NOTHING SHOWED UP! They spent millions of dollars trying to find evidence that MJ had molested one of those kids and they found NOTHING. MJ haters or people who belive he was guilty, never base their facts on real information but rather on what The sun or other tabloid newspapers write.. .

It goes without saying that accusations of abuse must always be taken seriously. When an individual has told one story very credibly and convincingly as an adult, however, and then suddenly changes it with no corroborating evidence (letters, photos, phone conversations, witnesses, etc.) to file a creditor’s claim, it deserves a healthy dose of skepticism. Believing such claims on faith can be dangerous, destroying lives and reputations with absolutely no proof beyond the accusation.

I think some of you underestimate how desperate people can be. Whatever Wade's motivations are for doing this, he clearly has an agenda of some kind. The entertainment industry is rife with beggars and hangers on. People who attatch themselves to a celebrity, leech off them for money, power, fame and opportunity. Wade has made a living off Michael his whole life doing just this. Unfortunately, Michael allowed A LOT of these kind of people into his life. These people were never really friends, but just out for what they could get by association (Uri Gellar, Rabbi Schmuley, Mark Lester, the Arvizos, the Chandlers).

The entertainment industry is also a cut-throat business. If Wade isn't getting work anymore and he is accustomed to a certain lifestyle he could very well have some kind of misguided sense of entitlement. We're talking about a man who, as a child, never wanted for anything. Michael's generosity to the Robsons has been well documented. Unfortunately, Michael only ever saw the good in children, but the reality is, Wade Robson as a ten year old kid was probably a spoilt brat. Spoilt brats generally don't turn into nice, well-rounded adults.

Just my two cents.

I would also like to add that I don't believe these will be the last allegations. Wade has opened the door for more people to come forward for an easy payday. Unfortunately again, Michael opened the gates to Neverland to many, many children over the years. If his motivation for doing this was a perverted one, then he would've had the opportunity to molest hundeds of children over the years. Paedophiles aren't that selective in choosing a victim and if they see an opportunity to abuse, chances are they will strike while the iron is hot. Out of the hundreds, perhaps thousands of children who visited Neverland in Michael's lifetime, only three people have claimed they were abused and two out of the three alleged victims decided to file civil charges with a lawyer instead of contacting the police.

There will be more, I'm sure of it. But people believe what they want to believe and I'm past caring what others think. I truly believe Michael was a good-natured man with a kind heart. We heard audio footage of him drugged up to the eyeballs six weeks before he died incoherently mumbling about opening a childrens hospital with the proceeds from the London shows. When someone is that high on medication their inhibitions and pretences are significantly lowered and yet even in that groggy state of drowsiness, Michael was STILL concerned with the wellfare of children. That, to me, is proof that his love for children was a pure one.

MattyJam said:

I think some of you underestimate how desperate people can be. Whatever Wade's motivations are for doing this, he clearly has an agenda of some kind. The entertainment industry is rife with beggars and hangers on. People who attatch themselves to a celebrity, leech off them for money, power, fame and opportunity. Wade has made a living off Michael his whole life doing just this. Unfortunately, Michael allowed A LOT of these kind of people into his life. These people were never really friends, but just out for what they could get by association (Uri Gellar, Rabbi Schmuley, Mark Lester, the Arvizos, the Chandlers).

The entertainment industry is also a cut-throat business. If Wade isn't getting work anymore and he is accustomed to a certain lifestyle he could very well have some kind of misguided sense of entitlement. We're talking about a man who, as a child, never wanted for anything. Michael's generosity to the Robsons has been well documented. Unfortunately, Michael only ever saw the good in children, but the reality is, Wade Robson as a ten year old kid was probably a spoilt brat. Spoilt brats generally don't turn into nice, well-rounded adults.

This is the point I made earlier.We live in a society where people are desperate for money,fame and attention.Wade has hit hard times.He's no longer a "hot" celebrity,he no longer gets calls from famous singers asking him to choreograph their music videos,he no longer has a TV show,and his name is almost never mentioned in the media anymore.He's lived the "good life" for many years and now that it's all over,it's hard for him to adjust.He's probably very bitter and angry about the way things turned out for him.Maybe he feels that Michael didn't do enough to help his career.Maybe he feels that Michael neglected him.So these new charges have put his name back in the spotlight and if he succeeds in court,he could become an instant millionaire.Earlier,I said that Michael's biggest mistake was allowing these type of people into his life.These people only give to get something back in return.They were never his "friends".

MattyJam said:

I would also like to add that I don't believe these will be the last allegations. Wade has opened the door for more people to come forward for an easy payday.

Dunno if it's true or not but a few days ago I read that there are a couple more alleged victims waiting to see what the outcome of this Robson affair is. Wtf? If true then this leaves me even more convinced that it's simply about money. If you've been abused you don't wait in line for a friggin' pay off, you go to the police.

GoldDolphin said: That's not true, had it been true MJ would have been in jail. They took pictures of MJs penis and other stuff and Jordan claimed that Michael was circumcised when in fact he wasnt which proves to me that it never happened. Anyone who sees an erect penis would know if the penis was circumcised or not and since he claimed Michael was when he wasn't, means it was just bullshit. The vitiligo spots didn't match either. I don't know where you are getting your information but it's just tabloid SHIT. Interesting that you completely forget the FBI investigation that was done during all those yrs and NOTHING SHOWED UP! They spent millions of dollars trying to find evidence that MJ had molested one of those kids and they found NOTHING. MJ haters or people who belive he was guilty, never base their facts on real information but rather on what The sun or other tabloid newspapers write.. .

Throughout this thread you've been telling the most outrageous lies and I've ignored it because it's tedious correcting the many fibs you guys invent, but this post is too much. You've been asking for a correction and here it comes.

First of all you said earlier that Wade can't have been molested since he took his kids to have dinner with Mike in 2008 and he would never do that if MJ had molested him. Many may have read this and thought it sounded sensible. Only one problem though.... Wade didn't have any kids in 2008. He only became a father in 2011. So unless you're suggesting he invented a time machine and transported back in time for a cosy meal I think we can safely say your story is .... well ..... false.

As if that lie wasn't brazen (and clumsy) enough you're now denying that Jordan Chandler accurately described markings on MJ's penis. Again, you're going to have trouble defending this lie. Firstly, signed court documents confirm that the photos taken of Jackson's genitalia did indeed match Chandler's description. Long serving LAPD senior detective Bill Dworin confirmed this in a TV documentary. Here is a link to that on youtube........

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=panosN01Hrk&feature=channel_video_title

Now, if anyone is still in any doubt about the match, we got extra confirmation in 2005 when the prosecution tried to get the photos and Jordan's descriptions admitted as evidence in the trial. The match was so perfect they knew it would be a major boost to their case. That was their whole argument. MJ's defence fought tooth and nail to block it. Obviously they knew they would struggle to explain how Jordan could have known about those markings unless he'd gotten up close and personal.

As for the circumcision thing that was debunked years ago. The story originally came from The Smoking Gun website, but they withdrew it when they realized there was no source to back it up. But while we're on the subject, I don't know if you're male or female, but it seems you're not too familiar with the workings of penises. When a penis is erect the helmet is exposed whether you're circumcised or not. It's when a man is NOT erect that you can most immediately tell if he's circumcised. Either you don't know this through lack of experience or you're just being dishonest again. It's always hard to tell with you guys.

[Edited 5/23/13 17:19pm]

ElectricBlue said:

By the way whats the deal with this site, making your post a solid brick with no spaces???

There was an update to the code base of the site several weeks ago that caused the line breaks to disappear, but the owners seem too lazy to correct their mistake.

Well, this thread has gone to the dogs once again.

Just gonna repost this because it pretty much sums up my opinions on the matter.

It goes without saying that accusations of abuse must always be taken seriously. When an individual has told one story very credibly and convincingly as an adult, however, and then suddenly changes it with no corroborating evidence (letters, photos, phone conversations, witnesses, etc.) to file a creditor’s claim, it deserves a healthy dose of skepticism. Believing such claims on faith can be dangerous, destroying lives and reputations with absolutely no proof beyond the accusation.

Cloudbuster said:

MattyJam said:

I would also like to add that I don't believe these will be the last allegations. Wade has opened the door for more people to come forward for an easy payday.

Dunno if it's true or not but a few days ago I read that there are a couple more alleged victims waiting to see what the outcome of this Robson affair is. Wtf? If true then this leaves me even more convinced that it's simply about money. If you've been abused you don't wait in line for a friggin' pay off, you go to the police.

And there you have it.

MJ grosses me the fuck out.

The guy had a bedroom that was as secure as a prison, yet children were constantly there--and he stashed his porn there as well.

Multiple semen stains from other males on his bed, etc. And, so far as we know only male 'boys' were on his bed.


Just nasty as fuck.

[Edited 5/23/13 22:28pm]

imago said:

imago said:

MJ grosses me the fuck out.

The guy had a bedroom that was as secure as a prison, yet children were constantly there--and he stashed his porn there as well.

Multiple semen stains from other males on his bed, etc. And, so far as we know only male 'boys' were on his bed.


Just nasty as fuck.

[Edited 5/23/13 22:28pm]

Don't forget the little boys underwear that was framed on the wall.

imago said:

MJ grosses me the fuck out.

The guy had a bedroom that was as secure as a prison, yet children were constantly there--and he stashed his porn there as well.

Multiple semen stains from other males on his bed, etc. And, so far as we know only male 'boys' were on his bed.


Just nasty as fuck.

[Edited 5/23/13 22:28pm]

My dad had a stash of porn in his bedroom. He didn't even bother to lock it away. Me and my brother used to look at it all the time. Should I be concerned that my dad stored it there to arouse his children??

And there's more than likely a semen stain from myself on my sisters bed, but I sure as fuck never banged her. See how that might work??

[Edited 5/24/13 0:54am]

I can't read the posts of free2beme as they're totally incomprehensible, but I did see his first sentence which accused me of lying about GoldDolphin saying Wade invited his kids for a meal with MJ in 2008. I'll just take a second to correct this fool. Here is the exact quote from GoldDolphin. It's reply#156 on page 7 if anyone wants to go back and check it for themselves. Check it out...

GoldDolphin said:

It's just BS tho, there's no victim in the world that would allow their sexual abuser to eat dinner with his children if he had actually gotten molested. Wade and his kids met and had dinner with MJ and his kids back in 08...

So there you have it. Once again a dishonest MJ fan (free2beme) has to resort to the low tactic of accusing others of lying even when they are quite clearly telling the truth. GoldDolphin said exactly what I said she did. This has been the pattern of the whole thread. I have been honest all the way through. MJ fans have been sneaky, dishonest and wilfully myopic as this example proves.

[Edited 5/24/13 12:53pm]

threads about this were created on many musical forums, but most were quickly closed by the moderators.

may be enough to discuss genitalia of the legend in world music?

This debate could go on forever and the truth we still can not be find because we were not there and can not really know the truth.
this thread is insulting and futile.

kewlschool said:

imago said:

MJ grosses me the fuck out.

The guy had a bedroom that was as secure as a prison, yet children were constantly there--and he stashed his porn there as well.

Multiple semen stains from other males on his bed, etc. And, so far as we know only male 'boys' were on his bed.


Just nasty as fuck.

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Don't forget the little boys underwear that was framed on the wall.

Don't forget the naked picture of Jonathan Spence who had spent many a night in MJ's bedroom.

LiLi1992 said:

threads about this were created on many musical forums, but most were quickly closed by the moderators.

may be enough to discuss genitalia of the legend in world music?

This debate could go on forever and the truth we still can not be find because we were not there and can not really know the truth.
this thread is insulting and futile.

Translation: "Too many uncomfortable facts are coming out now. It's scaring me. Please make it stop! Mods, delete the thread! I can't take it anymore!DELETE THE THREAD! NOW!!!""

^^^^^^^^^^^^^

OK...

NO JOKING AROUND-

DO YOU THINK MJ LIKED HAVING SEX WITH YOUNG BOYS?

SERIOUSLY?

I ask because, none of us really know him and obviously there are many

reasons to believe he was both Asexual and a pedophile ...

some people on this thread seem determined to think he was gay and some don't ..

My question is for the ones that do believe he was..

Do you 100% believe this to be the truth?

or are you even a bit unsure or on the fence about it?

I personally can't view someone i love as something as disgusting as a pedophile..

But, I'm curious and open to the opinions of others that do...

So..

What's Up? Are you just asking the hard questions and trying to

hit the fanatics with a dose of reality or are you Hardcore in your belief that

MJ was a Troubled, Dirty, Nasty, Abusive, Man?