I'm gay and can't stand either.

And didn't Madonna steal "vogue" from gay men?

Or "brought it to mainstream" as some of you like to put it?

^What hasnt the whore stolen?

lazycrockett said:

lazycrockett said:

^What hasnt the whore stolen?

but true.

Terrib3Towel said:

And didn't Madonna steal "vogue" from gay men?

Or "brought it to mainstream" as some of you like to put it?

I don't kow how she could steal it, she did bring it mainstream

If she was dancing those dances, and she was at the clubs, gay clubs, gay friends

like any fag hag, why would it make a difference. She had mostly gay men in her show

and those 2 guys in particular who were performing it with her.

lazycrockett said:

^What hasnt the whore stolen?

What has she stolen?

Cinny said:

alphastreet said:

31? Come on don't be dumb. Many people born in 85' and before that consider her huge. The ones after, errr I think they would have eventually discovered her but were not old enough to remember her at her popularity peak as we have.

Yes, 1985 is the cut-off birth year for Madonna's fan base. So, anyone who turns 28 this year. Younger than that, it is Beyonce or Gaga.

lol. i'm 18 and i'm a HUGE Madonna fan since i was 9.

Madonna is the ultimate gay icon imo.

it is true that a lot of gays seems to love the pop diva's as i call them.

doesn't mean that everyone that is gay loves that only and some of them might not even like that type of music so.

"This is who I am

You can like it or not

You can love me or leave me

'Cause I'm never gonna stop

No, no, you know..."

OldFriends4Sale said:

Terrib3Towel said:

And didn't Madonna steal "vogue" from gay men?

Or "brought it to mainstream" as some of you like to put it?

I don't kow how she could steal it, she did bring it mainstream

If she was dancing those dances, and she was at the clubs, gay clubs, gay friends

like any fag hag, why would it make a difference. She had mostly gay men in her show

and those 2 guys in particular who were performing it with her.

well said!

mjscarousal said:

Outside of the young black males, who worships her in the gay community?

Because Ive talked to a wide range of folks gay/straight/bi purple, white, green, indian, crippled, etc who dont care for her or consider them her favorite. Some Ive talked to like Gaga and Rihanna more. Im not denying she is not a big star but no she is not an icon and no she is not a gay icon. She is not more of a gay icon than Madonna. There is a drag show at my school every year and they always have multiple Madonna and Diana Ross impersonations in the show.These are males (from different races) in the (18-22) range. Beyonce might have a current gay following of african american males like Janet and Mariah did during their PRIME but its not bigger than Madonna.

Just because she has a gay following of black males it doesnt not reflect a gay following on a global scale like Madonna does which is why she is considered a gay icon

Even the Vegas shows and other drag shows ALWAYS have Madonna, Diana Ross, Tina male impersonators (I know cause Ive been to the shows) Correction actually I have never seen a Beyonce, Rihanna, Gaga impersonator at these Drag shows.

But the key in these shows are that they are not just gay black males voguing there are males from many many many nationalities and backgrounds.

Mariah, Janet, Whitney etc all had a gay following during their primes especially Janet but none of them was as big as Madonnas including Beyonce whose popularity (which has peaked already) is still a non factor next to Madonna who is damn near Michael Jackson global fame.

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"I've talked to ____" means nothing. As Beyoncéitis put it:

"...please don't say things like: "Everybody I know hates Beyonce..." that's like a crackhead saying "Everybody I know says it's ok to smoke crack." THAT'S BECAUSE YOU HANG OUT WITH OTHER CRACKHEADS YOU DUMB ASS! If you're a hater chances are you hang out with other haters and all a hater needs is just one other hater to co-sign, especially if that hater has a blog."

Plenty of gays, white, black, and yellow, worship Beyoncé, and plenty of straight people too - she's universal.

And LMFAO at the idea drag culture (a subculture of a subculture) being the indicator of who and what is popular in gay culture. Oh, the logic of ignorant-ass heterosexual people.... it really shouldn't be necessary to point out the 88,000 results for "Beyoncé drag" on YouTube, OR the fact that one of the winners of RuPaul's Drag Race (Tyra Sanchez) is a Beyoncé stan, and impersonated her frequently before and after winning.

Finally, Merriam-Webster defines "icon" as "an object of uncritical devotion". Beyoncé is certainly an icon by their definition, your worthless one be damned. And she is definitely a modern-day gay icon, even without chasing the community like Madonna, Janet, and Gaga did.

Doom.

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purplethunder3121 said:

"This is who I am

You can like it or not

You can love me or leave me

'Cause I'm never gonna stop

No, no, you know..."

LOL Love it

CynicKill said:

Well gay icons are usually women, but I agree with your sentiment.

But yeah, Beyonce is a gay icon. Not as big as Madonna but still huge.

Her appeal? In my opinion it's her total lack of restraint. She doesn't seem to see the line she shouldn't cross. Everything is extra. It might be purposeful now, but when she was first starting it was totally by happenstance. It was just her. Gay boys love this stuff.

Even during the Destiny's Child days they were laying the ground work. Every song was an anthem that was tailor made for performance. You can act out all the wrist twirling and neck rolling right in your living room. Put-downs every other line. Histrionic vocals. Catch-your-breathe, machine gun delivery. It was all there.

good question. there are two books i like to recommend to people to read. Another Mother Tongue and Gay Spirit:Myth and Meaning. they are both a collectino of essay's wrtten in the 70s and early 80s looking into the hidden meanings of theings identified to gay culture, like the old culture tabbo of wearin green on thursdays (meant you were gay) the color purple and where the words fag and dyke and the like come from. Harry Hay, the legendary founder of teh Matchinne Society and the Radical Faries wrote a great essay about how those that would today be classifeied as gay were free from family obligations and formed the core of the ancient preChristan religions through out the world, many of them were priests of mother goddess, The Cybele's famous Gallui men who castrated themselves to serve the goddess who were banned from living inside the walls of Rome so had a dmoritory on Vatican Hill part of the structre is still visible in the Vatican Gardena, HW postulated that the Gay Diva/Icon fills a roll that we're called to. No not all gay people are diva worshipers but almost all of my friends have a diva that they have loved since they were little before they knew they were gay. so it's a better theory than some of the others i've heard floated out there

Beyonce a gay icom?? sure she draws alot of gay men but i don't think she's a gaint icon she doesn't do anything for gay rights (though march 26 she did post a photo asking for the supreme court to overturn DOMA and Prop 8), she doesn't acknowlege Jonte or the other gay guy that works with her on her look, except one time they appeared as her back up dancers for Tyra. She's skirts the issues and only came out for us when everyone else did. Jay-Z has been much more outspoken on the issues surronding the gay community than Bey has.

Madonna has been since the beginning gay friendly if not gay freindly. In Christopher's book he details a fight between Madonna and Freddy DeMann regarding her going public with photos of her next to Martin Burgyone when he was dying of AIDS in 85. He was afraid as were the people who were working at Warner Bros that people would think she has HIV/AIDS and would end her career and wanted her to put distance between her public image and what she was doing privately. Not only did she have the photos published but she became the second celebrity to start talkinga bout the issue behind Liz Taylor. Most Americans at the time saw their first gay kiss watching Truth Or Dare, she was the first straight person to appear on the cover of the Advocate, Madonna has spent money funding both AIDS research and Gay Rights orginizations around the world. When two men were facing imprisionment in Malwai Madonna sent a letter to the government to get them released. She was marketing to the gays before it was popular and stood by the community during it's most trying period. The only other pop star that has been gay friendly as her for as long as her is Kylie

rlittler81 said:

OldFriends4Sale said:

I don't kow how she could steal it, she did bring it mainstream

If she was dancing those dances, and she was at the clubs, gay clubs, gay friends

like any fag hag, why would it make a difference. She had mostly gay men in her show

and those 2 guys in particular who were performing it with her.

well said!

their names are Jose and Luis

xLiberiangirl said:

Cinny said:

Yes, 1985 is the cut-off birth year for Madonna's fan base. So, anyone who turns 28 this year. Younger than that, it is Beyonce or Gaga.

lol. i'm 18 and i'm a HUGE Madonna fan since i was 9.

Madonna is the ultimate gay icon imo.

it is true that a lot of gays seems to love the pop diva's as i call them.

doesn't mean that everyone that is gay loves that only and some of them might not even like that type of music so.

So American Life was your entry to Madonna. Interesting.

ehuffnsd said:

rlittler81 said:

well said!

their names are Jose and Luis

Thanks 4 the names:Luis Camacho

MT: What do you think about Vogueing? Madonna took it from clubs and made it something of her own and mainstream. What is that this type of dance is able to express?

LC: Vogue-ing started long before Madonna ever brought it to the mainstream. People who vogued were expressing and conveying model poses that were seen in the fashion magazines. Images that conveyed a lifestyle that alot of the people who vogued didn't have. It was an escape for these individuals as well as myself.

MT: Madonna's brilliant capacity of transforming things that are originally enjoyed by a small group of people and turning them into pop culture has been both hailed and heavely criticised over the years. What do you think about that?

LC: I think Madonna has been a voice for the underdog. I admire her efforts in trying to broaden people's horizons with different cultures, for example Dance, Fashion, Religion, Sexuality.

Totally Madonna, she has always been there for us, her respect and love for gays is amazing and she has just has so much love for everyone. Beyonce, well never heard her scream love at gay people.

Madonna has been out there since the 80s, ever since her first album. Also she is always promoting her gay dancers and her twitter is all about suporting gay marriage, Vogue her biggest hit is all about a dance her gay dancers taught her.

I myself are nearly 37 and have been into Madonna since I was 8 and my cousin who was 7 at the time, remember singing "Like a Virgin" at our family Christmas do in 1984, and the parents were having kittens, we had no idea what was a virgin was, and didn't care, we just loved the song and this singer called "Madonna".

And all these tacky imitators like Lady Gaga, Britney, Ags would not be stars probably if it wasn't for our Madge.

OldFriends4Sale said:

ehuffnsd said:

their names are Jose and Luis

Thanks 4 the names:Luis Camacho

MT: What do you think about Vogueing? Madonna took it from clubs and made it something of her own and mainstream. What is that this type of dance is able to express?

LC: Vogue-ing started long before Madonna ever brought it to the mainstream. People who vogued were expressing and conveying model poses that were seen in the fashion magazines. Images that conveyed a lifestyle that alot of the people who vogued didn't have. It was an escape for these individuals as well as myself.

MT: Madonna's brilliant capacity of transforming things that are originally enjoyed by a small group of people and turning them into pop culture has been both hailed and heavely criticised over the years. What do you think about that?

LC: I think Madonna has been a voice for the underdog. I admire her efforts in trying to broaden people's horizons with different cultures, for example Dance, Fashion, Religion, Sexuality.

Loved her in that Rock The Vote commercial. Whore makeup in full effect.

Cinny said: