lazycrockett said:

Further Proof that Gays have for the most part horrible taste in music.

Hey don't generalize gay folks. You forgot about Guns? He don't have horrible taste mane. Neither do you. But other than that, some of the "mainstream" gays definitely do have horrible taste.

Timmy84 said:

Gunsnhalen said:

Timmy84 said:

Hey don't generalize gay folks. You forgot about Guns? He don't have horrible taste mane. Neither do you. But other than that, some of the "mainstream" gays definitely do have horrible taste.

There are gay guys I know who will jam to any genre and are very open minded. But media likes to make it seem only female divas can be gay icons. Psssh

And that's why I have the problem with the media that I have...

Just like i ask why can't Stevie Wonder be a fashion icon! the shit he wears not even Lady GaGa & Madonna would go near

Gunsnhalen said:

Just like i ask why can't Stevie Wonder be a fashion icon! the shit he wears not even Lady GaGa & Madonna would go near

Stevie definitely was a fashion icon in the '70s though.

Rococo said:

KATE BUSH IS MY DIVA!!

Gunsnhalen said:

On a serious note though we do female entertainers always have to be on the top of lists for ''gay icons'' i get that they did a lot for the community and all that jazz.

But imo it is a bit of sterotyping by people always naming ''divas'' as gay icons when there are people in rock, funk, hip-hop, r&B, soul, metal, country etc.

Fuck a Madonna icon what about Rob Halford from Judas Priest? one of the inventors of the metal genre came out in 1998 and he isn't on a list... he did a lot for the community as well he just didn't do it in front of cameras.

Or Doug Winbush who played bass for Living Colour and also played bass on iconic songs like The Message by Grandmaster Flash & Beat Street... why is he not on these lists.

I am just saying

It has often puzzled me why male singers (other than the ones who are out) are never labeled as gay icons. I can't name a single one. There are plenty of male singers who have large gay male followings but the media never acknowledges it like they do with the female singers. It's almost as if anyone dares to label a straight male singer as a gay icon, it would be an insult to the singer.

I always wondered why Prince was never a gay icon, especially considering the ANDROGYNY.

But then when I look back at his catalogue I've come to the conclusion that he wasn't kitchy enough. Prince was always legit musically.

CynicKill said:

I always wondered why Prince was never a gay icon, especially considering the ANDROGYNY.

But then when I look back at his catalogue I've come to the conclusion that he wasn't kitchy enough. Prince was always legit musically.

Well, we all know that Prince has a HUGE gay following. But, again, since he's allegedly a "straight" male, he will NEVER be labeled as a gay icon.

CynicKill said:

I always wondered why Prince was never a gay icon, especially considering the ANDROGYNY.

But then when I look back at his catalogue I've come to the conclusion that he wasn't kitchy enough. Prince was always legit musically.

Are there any male 'gay' icons?

I don't think an artist being 'legit musically' defines a 'gay icon' I mean wasn't actress Judy Garland a gay Icon?

Qualities of a gay icon often include glamour, flamboyance, strength through adversity, and androgyny in presentation. Such icons can be of any sexual orientation or gender; if LGBT, they can be out or not. Although most gay icons have given their support to LGBT social movements, some have expressed opposition, advocating against a perceived "homosexual agenda".

Historical icons are typically elevated to such status because their sexual orientation remains a topic of debate among historians. Modern gay icons, who are predominantly female entertainers, commonly garner a large following within LGBT communities over the course of their careers. The majority of gay icons fall into one of two categories: They are either tragic, sometimes martyred figures or prominent pop culture idols

Timmy84 said:

lazycrockett said:

Further Proof that Gays have for the most part horrible taste in music.

Hey don't generalize gay folks. You forgot about Guns? He don't have horrible taste mane. Neither do you. But other than that, some of the "mainstream" gays definitely do have horrible taste.

probably because they are like everyone else, and have horrible taste

kitbradley said:

Gunsnhalen said:

On a serious note though we do female entertainers always have to be on the top of lists for ''gay icons'' i get that they did a lot for the community and all that jazz.

But imo it is a bit of sterotyping by people always naming ''divas'' as gay icons when there are people in rock, funk, hip-hop, r&B, soul, metal, country etc.

Fuck a Madonna icon what about Rob Halford from Judas Priest? one of the inventors of the metal genre came out in 1998 and he isn't on a list... he did a lot for the community as well he just didn't do it in front of cameras.

Or Doug Winbush who played bass for Living Colour and also played bass on iconic songs like The Message by Grandmaster Flash & Beat Street... why is he not on these lists.

I am just saying

It has often puzzled me why male singers (other than the ones who are out) are never labeled as gay icons. I can't name a single one. There are plenty of male singers who have large gay male followings but the media never acknowledges it like they do with the female singers. It's almost as if anyone dares to label a straight male singer as a gay icon, it would be an insult to the singer.

I just read an explaination of gay Icons

and it could be because a lot of men, don't let their full vulnerabilities out?

Following a female entertainers struggles might be more indepth than a mans(gay or straight)

I mean think Prince: Old Friends 4 Sale 1986 vs Old Friends 4 Sale 1998

OldFriends4Sale said:

CynicKill said:

I always wondered why Prince was never a gay icon, especially considering the ANDROGYNY.

But then when I look back at his catalogue I've come to the conclusion that he wasn't kitchy enough. Prince was always legit musically.

Are there any male 'gay' icons?

I don't think an artist being 'legit musically' defines a 'gay icon' I mean wasn't actress Judy Garland a gay Icon?

Qualities of a gay icon often include glamour, flamboyance, strength through adversity, and androgyny in presentation. Such icons can be of any sexual orientation or gender; if LGBT, they can be out or not. Although most gay icons have given their support to LGBT social movements, some have expressed opposition, advocating against a perceived "homosexual agenda".

Historical icons are typically elevated to such status because their sexual orientation remains a topic of debate among historians. Modern gay icons, who are predominantly female entertainers, commonly garner a large following within LGBT communities over the course of their careers. The majority of gay icons fall into one of two categories: They are either tragic, sometimes martyred figures or prominent pop culture idols

But Judy Garland is a woman. Plus she fits the description that you've posted to a T.

I was theorizing that had he been more kitchy he might've lapsed into gay-icondom.

katamari said:

[color=#ff6600:5bcd91c84c]Madonna is the gay icon of the past generation and to be very frank about it, of white gays. For this generation, particularly of black gays but not JUST black gays, Beyoncé is it. Along with, unfortunately, Rihaha. [/color] [Edited 4/9/13 16:39pm]

i seriously doubt the race part

kitbradley said:

Gunsnhalen said:

On a serious note though we do female entertainers always have to be on the top of lists for ''gay icons'' i get that they did a lot for the community and all that jazz.

But imo it is a bit of sterotyping by people always naming ''divas'' as gay icons when there are people in rock, funk, hip-hop, r&B, soul, metal, country etc.

Fuck a Madonna icon what about Rob Halford from Judas Priest? one of the inventors of the metal genre came out in 1998 and he isn't on a list... he did a lot for the community as well he just didn't do it in front of cameras.

Or Doug Winbush who played bass for Living Colour and also played bass on iconic songs like The Message by Grandmaster Flash & Beat Street... why is he not on these lists.

I am just saying

It has often puzzled me why male singers (other than the ones who are out) are never labeled as gay icons. I can't name a single one. There are plenty of male singers who have large gay male followings but the media never acknowledges it like they do with the female singers. It's almost as if anyone dares to label a straight male singer as a gay icon, it would be an insult to the singer.

Cause we're all effeminate and want to secretly be women. Duh.

OldFriends4Sale said:

katamari said:

OldFriends4Sale said:

i seriously doubt the race part

[color=#ff6600:ee8fa34442]I didn't say ONLY white gays. But as far as the MAJORITY... [/color]

You have to do a poll on that first lol

People are too diverse to come to a conclusion about millions of people

across the country from too many different walks of life

Cloudbuster said:

Rococo said:

KATE BUSH IS MY DIVA!!

Some Gays Have Cher, Some Gays Madonna, Some Gays Have Librace!!

Honey, I will forever love KATE BUSH, the woman writes her own music, produces, plays mostly all instruments. You can't go wrong with Kate!

I also have to add the following GODDESS OF DIVANESS!!

LIZ FRASER(COCTEAU TWINS)

Rococo said:

Cloudbuster said:

Some Gays Have Cher, Some Gays Madonna, Some Gays Have Librace!!

Honey, I will forever love KATE BUSH, the woman writes her own music, produces, plays mostly all instruments. You can't go wrong with Kate!

alphastreet said:

31? Come on don't be dumb. Many people born in 85' and before that consider her huge. The ones after, errr I think they would have eventually discovered her but were not old enough to remember her at her popularity peak as we have.

Yes, 1985 is the cut-off birth year for Madonna's fan base. So, anyone who turns 28 this year. Younger than that, it is Beyonce or Gaga.

Why do people pick on the gays when straight young men and women have even worse taste (generally).

And Beyonce has the biggest following among young, black gay men. Not a few dozen. She is their queen like it or not. Straight men and women under 35 have worse taste though (generally).

kitbradley said:

Gunsnhalen said:

On a serious note though we do female entertainers always have to be on the top of lists for ''gay icons'' i get that they did a lot for the community and all that jazz.

But imo it is a bit of sterotyping by people always naming ''divas'' as gay icons when there are people in rock, funk, hip-hop, r&B, soul, metal, country etc.

Fuck a Madonna icon what about Rob Halford from Judas Priest? one of the inventors of the metal genre came out in 1998 and he isn't on a list... he did a lot for the community as well he just didn't do it in front of cameras.

Or Doug Winbush who played bass for Living Colour and also played bass on iconic songs like The Message by Grandmaster Flash & Beat Street... why is he not on these lists.

I am just saying

It has often puzzled me why male singers (other than the ones who are out) are never labeled as gay icons. I can't name a single one. There are plenty of male singers who have large gay male followings but the media never acknowledges it like they do with the female singers. It's almost as if anyone dares to label a straight male singer as a gay icon, it would be an insult to the singer.

The late Divine and Sylvester? RuPaul?

Rococo said:

Some Gays Have Cher, Some Gays Madonna, Some Gays Have Librace!!

I saw an interview with Cher some years ago. The interviewer asked her how does she feel about being a gay icon? She said she had no idea that she was a gay icon until somebody told her. She went on to say she had absolutely no idea what she did to earn that title.

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How does one subgroup black males represent arabic, white, latino, espanic, chinese, japenese, african, indian, french, (other nationalities I missed) gay males?

If you are a icon you represent many many demographics, cultures and nationalities not just one demographic.

Thats like saying Lil Wayne is a gangsta icon because alot of black gangstas listen to his music How is someone an icon if only one group of people likes them?

Michael Jackson is not an icon because only black people likes him.

Madonna is not an gay icon because only white gay males like her.

Thats not what it means to be an icon.

Beyonce has a big gay following in general. Most Madonna fans today were fans from 83 - 03 when she was still having hits. Beyonce is the same way among young gay men still into top 40.

Hudson said:

Beyonce has a big gay following in general. Most Madonna fans today were fans from 83 - 03 when she was still having hits. Beyonce is the same way among young gay men still into top 40.

Madonna's Confessions on a Dance Floor from 2005-07 was huge,

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But someone who sells out world wide the way she does, you can't say she had no more additional fans after 2003

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even Rihanna Beyonce & Nickie M are Madonna fans

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Confessions on a Dance Floor peaked at number one in 40 countries, earning a place in the 2007 Guinness Book of World Records as the album topping the charts in most countries. In the United States, the album debuted at number one on the Billboard 200 chart, selling 350,000 copies in its first week. It became her sixth number one album on the chart and the third consecutive album to debut at the top,

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Madonna won the "Best International Female Solo Artist" at the 2006 BRIT Awards.^[39] She also won "World's Best Selling Pop Artist" and "Best Selling U.S. Artist" at the 2006 World Music Awards for the album.^[40] She was nominated for five awards at the 2006 MTV Video Music Awards for the music video of the album's first single, "Hung Up".^[41] Madonna also got nominated for "Best Album of the Year", "Best Pop Video", and "Best Female Artist" at the MTV Europe Music Awards 2006.^[42]Rolling Stone ranked Confessions on a Dance Floor as the twenty-second top album of 2005.^[43] She also won a Grammy Award in the category of "Best Dance/Electronic Album" at the 2007 ceremony.^[44]

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Outside of the young black males, who worships her in the gay community?

Because Ive talked to a wide range of folks gay/straight/bi purple, white, green, indian, crippled, etc who dont care for her or consider them her favorite. Some Ive talked to like Gaga and Rihanna more. Im not denying she is not a big star but no she is not an icon and no she is not a gay icon. She is not more of a gay icon than Madonna. There is a drag show at my school every year and they always have multiple Madonna and Diana Ross impersonations in the show.These are males (from different races) in the (18-22) range. Beyonce might have a current gay following of african american males like Janet and Mariah did during their PRIME but its not bigger than Madonna.

Just because she has a gay following of black males it doesnt not reflect a gay following on a global scale like Madonna does which is why she is considered a gay icon

Even the Vegas shows and other drag shows ALWAYS have Madonna, Diana Ross, Tina male impersonators (I know cause Ive been to the shows) Correction actually I have never seen a Beyonce, Rihanna, Gaga impersonator at these Drag shows.

But the key in these shows are that they are not just gay black males voguing there are males from many many many nationalities and backgrounds.

Madonna still has a very big gay fan base and is held as the ultimate gay icon and I am done with

this discussion because none of yall know what the definition of icon is and just gives titles to everybody who is on a magazine or is currently popular.

Mariah, Janet, Whitney etc all had a gay following during their primes especially Janet but none of them was as big as Madonnas including Beyonce whose popularity (which has peaked already) is still a non factor next to Madonna who is damn near Michael Jackson global fame.

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