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Thread started 03/23/13 4:10pm

nursev

So Fantasia fucked up the Commodores Song

Tasia murdered a classic song lol

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Reply #1 posted 03/23/13 5:26pm

kitbradley

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How can she murder a song when she's only sampling the music? it's not a remake.This is the best Fantasia has sounded since her first album. I LOVE this track! music I'm glad she did this. I thought her last album was atrocious! Every song on it was so generic-sounding. The thing about contemporary writers, they know how to write lyrics but they don't know how to write music so they have to sample what's already been done. Either that or come up with computer-generated beats. I'd rather have the sampling.
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Reply #2 posted 03/23/13 9:17pm

mjscarousal

Stop hating!

Its just a sample (not a cover) and the song is actually nice.

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Reply #3 posted 03/23/13 9:36pm

OlSchool

I agree with mj and kit. I just saw Fantasia Saturday and she performed this song. I wasn't really into then but after listening to it now, I think it sounds pretty good.

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Reply #4 posted 03/23/13 9:48pm

Scorp

just imagine what the recording industry would be if sampling was not allowed.....

omg......it wouldn't exist......sampling is the only thing that's keeping the industry alive

I like Fantasia though....

that Nightshit came out during 1985, reached #1 like a rocket

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Reply #5 posted 03/24/13 12:51am

SoulAlive

Scorp said:

just imagine what the recording industry would be if sampling was not allowed.....

Yeah...artists would have to come up with "original" music again.What a concept,huh? lol

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Reply #6 posted 03/24/13 5:29am

Scorp

SoulAlive said:

Scorp said:

just imagine what the recording industry would be if sampling was not allowed.....

Yeah...artists would have to come up with "original" music again.What a concept,huh? lol

absolutely, it would be awesome biggrin biggrin

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Reply #7 posted 03/24/13 5:51am

EddieC

Scorp said:

SoulAlive said:

Yeah...artists would have to come up with "original" music again.What a concept,huh? lol

absolutely, it would be awesome biggrin biggrin

Or they'd have to play riffs themselves (or hire studio musicians to do it) that were exactly or almost exactly like what someone else had done--but, of course, no one ever did that, did they?

Nope, back in the good old days, everything was all new, all the time.

And most of it still sucked.

Man, I must have woken up on the wrong side of the bed this morning, huh?

Though people still borrowed before sampling, and built songs (and careers) around other people's ideas. And most music (at any given time) was kind of average. And we liked it that way!!

Really, don't challenge me on any of this. I won't defend it. I'm in one weird mood.

Unless you agree, in which case I mean every word.

Oh--didn't watch the video. Loved "Night Shift," don't know if I've ever even heard Fantasia sing a note, and definitely haven't heard this song. For a real response, I guess we'll have to wait until I do.

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Reply #8 posted 03/25/13 9:03am

Tokyo89

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nursev said:

What an awesome fucking song cool

One of my favorites..

Tasia's song was ok I guess shrug

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Reply #9 posted 03/25/13 9:54am

Scorp

Tokyo89 said:

nursev said:

What an awesome fucking song cool

One of my favorites..

Tasia's song was ok I guess shrug

So many were paying tribute to the late great Marvin Gaye with their songs after what happened to him in 84

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Reply #10 posted 03/25/13 3:25pm

Shard

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I agree with mj and kit. I just saw Fantasia Saturday and she performed this song. I wasn't really into then but after listening to it now, I think it sounds pretty good.

What did you think of her show?

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Reply #11 posted 03/25/13 7:24pm

phunkdaddy

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EddieC said:

Scorp said:

absolutely, it would be awesome biggrin biggrin

Or they'd have to play riffs themselves (or hire studio musicians to do it) that were exactly or almost exactly like what someone else had done--but, of course, no one ever did that, did they?

Nope, back in the good old days, everything was all new, all the time.

And most of it still sucked.

Man, I must have woken up on the wrong side of the bed this morning, huh?

Though people still borrowed before sampling, and built songs (and careers) around other people's ideas. And most music (at any given time) was kind of average. And we liked it that way!!

Really, don't challenge me on any of this. I won't defend it. I'm in one weird mood.

Unless you agree, in which case I mean every word.

Oh--didn't watch the video. Loved "Night Shift," don't know if I've ever even heard Fantasia sing a note, and definitely haven't heard this song. For a real response, I guess we'll have to wait until I do.

Well if you missed out on the diversity of music back then compared to now it's a

you problem not an org problem.

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Reply #12 posted 03/25/13 8:37pm

EddieC

phunkdaddy said:

EddieC said:

Or they'd have to play riffs themselves (or hire studio musicians to do it) that were exactly or almost exactly like what someone else had done--but, of course, no one ever did that, did they?

Nope, back in the good old days, everything was all new, all the time.

And most of it still sucked.

Man, I must have woken up on the wrong side of the bed this morning, huh?

Though people still borrowed before sampling, and built songs (and careers) around other people's ideas. And most music (at any given time) was kind of average. And we liked it that way!!

Really, don't challenge me on any of this. I won't defend it. I'm in one weird mood.

Unless you agree, in which case I mean every word.

Oh--didn't watch the video. Loved "Night Shift," don't know if I've ever even heard Fantasia sing a note, and definitely haven't heard this song. For a real response, I guess we'll have to wait until I do.

Well if you missed out on the diversity of music back then compared to now it's a

you problem not an org problem.

As I said, I was in a weird mood--but about the only thing I think I would change was the word "sucked"--I actually don't think much of it sucked at all--then or now. I just think most of it is pretty much somewhere in the middle as far as quality.

Certainly sampling makes it easier (both to copy and to be caught doing it), and the best people mixed the things they borrowed in ways to make something where it was still new, in spite of the connection to the past. The best sampling does that, too.

However, I'm not part of the sampling age--I don't really get it, it's not my thing. But I definitely stand by my statement that MOST MUSIC OF ANY TIME IS JUST AVERAGE!! This shouldn't be surprising to anyone, but it seems to be something people forget.

I have a stronger positive feeling toward the music of certain earlier eras than I do to most now, but I know that most music (and I am talking about recorded music in the various popular genres, because I have almost no familiarity or interest in the more elite genres--I'm in my forties and have never developed the background or ear to appreciate them) is produced by people of relatively middling talent, at any time. The extremely talented are always in the minority, as are those fortunate circumstances that allow lesser talents to create great work. There may have been greater diversity (as far as styles and genres that got greater exposure) at other times--I'm pretty sure there was--and if you prefer a genre that's not currently getting buzzed about, then it might feel like it's gone and there's a general sameness to contemporary styles, but that's not what I'm talking about.

The fact is that if I'm trying to establish the superiority of the any earlier period, I'm going to probably wind up subconsciously cheating, picking the best of the earlier (because that's all that's still remembered) and putting it up against a less edited (thus more average in quality) current crop. So, what I think of as "the music of the 80's" (my own teen years) is loads better (being a "best of") than the next 10 songs my local hits station is going to play. But any random 10 songs in a row that my local hits station actually played back in 83? I don't think the difference would be all that great. There was a whole lot of nothing on the radio back then. Just like now.

What's really started driving this home to me is seeing charts from 20/30/40 (whatever) years ago and seeing how on any given week half or more of the songs in the top ten are either completely gone from my memory or, when I'm reminded of them, I wish they hadn't been brought back. On those occasions when I don't remember a tune (that I was around for), going back to find it is rarely rewarding. When I'm looking at an era before one I lived through, generally I find again that there's been a lot of editing in the public memory of what there was.

People forget what isn't memorable (obviously), and only remember what is memorable (whether good or extremely bad). The huge "not really worth worrying about" mass that is most of what's in the world just gets ignored in memory; it's not so easy to ignore in the present when it's what's currently being pushed by the media.

But the music world's always been full of mediocre talents chasing after whatever they could reproduce of what greater (or luckier, since a lot of great stuff has been done by people without the skills to do it more than once or twice) talents have done before--or even more-than-mediocre talents who choose to use their talents in trying to grab onto a trend. Or having it demanded from them by the people in suits. That's what most popular music has always been.

This has nothing really to do with Fantasia or the Commodores--I still haven't listened to her song. And even if it's good, it's still almost certainly in that "not gonna matter 20 years from now" category. And that's nothing to be ashamed of. I'm not sure, quite honestly, that "Night Shift" matters either, and it was my favorite "currently on the charts" song pretty much the whole time it was on the charts (number 3 on the hot 100, number 1 on the black chart--I wonder what was above it on the hot 100--might have to find out--but probably at least one of the two songs was average).

Here's the great part, though. I like a lot of this average stuff, and I know that there are really talented (and really lucky) people out there who are going to use it and what they learn from it to go beyond it and create great stuff. Great music draws inspiration from the average as well as the great. It's all working out fine, just like it always has. Or at least I think it is.

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Reply #13 posted 03/26/13 4:42am

Chancellor

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I Love me some Fanny..I've listened to the track a few times and the Music is so Classic it takes away from the lyrics. Actually the song is just lost in the music...

Steve Harvey plays it, My local station plays so she's deff getting airplay...Fanny was here in Columbia, SC on Frday afternoon I think and I caught the last 5min of the interview. She pluged her brothers new single or something and he didnt talk much CLAIMING he was still sleepy cuz he PARTIED the night before...Fanny tried to speak for him but her brother is a whole'notha story...

I hope the next single is something more upbeat..She delivers with upbeat tracks..."Lose to win" is not a winning track in my opinion..

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