^^ That is a nice pic.. Looks like 1980-81 to me.

OfftheWall said:

I instagramed this picture from one of my MJ magazines (a Rolling Stone issue).

“Michael Jackson in Fantasy Land” by Anita Kunz (Rolling Stone, September, 1987.)

This is also within the same magazine, a bit of Janet...

Here's the little segment below it.

Great pics OfftheWall! Janet looked beautiful in that pic too.

I can believe Wade Robinson's story.

To be molested by your idol from such a young age, to be promised and given great things, professional connections, and an amazing career, all in exchange for protecting the very guy who's taking advantage of you...

Seems more believable than having a friend die, then years later having money troubles (btw - does wade robinson even have money troubles?), and so accusing your dead friend of molestation in an attempt to shake down his family...no. That's ridiculous.

Not to mention the abuse was reported already by a member of Jackson's staff.

If it's true, it's sad. It's fascinating too. I love Michael Jackson's music. I guess I just compartmentalize what I believe about the man in order to keep enjoying his music. Which is morally questionable on my part.

I mean logically, if Wade Robinson is having money problems (again, is he???), path of least resistance would be...to go get more work.

Getting work would be FAR EASIER than suing the estate of Michael Jackson for molestation.

The fact alone that he's doing this, which has no guarantee of financial compensation (just the opposite), exposes Robinson as someone who lied under oath, hurts his reputation, and inspires hatred amongst Michael's fans and loyalists...tells me he must have a pretty good reason for going through with it.

Again, this is all opposed to...Wade Robinson needs money, so he just gets another job.

It feels to me like he's doing this to right a wrong. Like there's actually an emotional need to hold MJ accountable, and to tell the truth.

When the truth is so ugly and painful I can understand why it would take 7 years (and the passage into adulthood) to report it.

Mintchip said:

I mean logically, if Wade Robinson is having money problems (again, is he???), path of least resistance would be...to go get more work.

Getting work would be FAR EASIER than suing the estate of Michael Jackson for molestation.

The fact alone that he's doing this, which has no guarantee of financial compensation (just the opposite), exposes Robinson as someone who lied under oath, hurts his reputation, and inspires hatred amongst Michael's fans and loyalists...tells me he must have a pretty good reason for going through with it.

Again, this is all opposed to...Wade Robinson needs money, so he just gets another job.

It feels to me like he's doing this to right a wrong. Like there's actually an emotional need to hold MJ accountable, and to tell the truth.

When the truth is so ugly and painful I can understand why it would take 7 years (and the passage into adulthood) to report it.

But either way he has lied, and even if what he says it true now it has nothing to do with coming clean and more to do with money. He uses repression memory for not speaking up earlier, this mean he can get around any perjury charges for lying under oath twice, once as an adult and all those gusing tributes to Michael after his death, which included helping Jermaine Jackson write his book about Michael; You Are Not Alone.

JERMAINE JACKSON
Wade Robson Is
'FULL OF S**T'

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Jermaine Jackson didn't mince words when we asked him about the recent molestation allegations made against his brother Michael by choreographer Wade Robson ... saying simply, "He's full of s**t."

JJ points out ... not only did Robson testify under oath that MJ never touched him, but Wade and his mother helped Jermaine write his book a few years back.

As TMZ first reported, Robson filed docs on May 1 asking a judge to allow him to file a creditor's claim against Jackson's estate ... claiming sexual abuse. A lawyer for the estate calls the claim "outrageous and pathetic."

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Mintchip said:

I can believe Wade Robinson's story.

To be molested by your idol from such a young age, to be promised and given great things, professional connections, and an amazing career, all in exchange for protecting the very guy who's taking advantage of you...

Seems more believable than having a friend die, then years later having money troubles (btw - does wade robinson even have money troubles?), and so accusing your dead friend of molestation in an attempt to shake down his family...no. That's ridiculous.

Not to mention the abuse was reported already by a member of Jackson's staff.

If it's true, it's sad. It's fascinating too. I love Michael Jackson's music. I guess I just compartmentalize what I believe about the man in order to keep enjoying his music. Which is morally questionable on my part.

Wade has been having money troubles for the last couple of years and he is not a high in demand choregrapher like he was in the early 00s. Wade went to the MJ memorial and has spoke highly of Michael since his passing. He even participated in the VMA tribute. He really wanted to be apart of the Cirque Suloi (cant spell the word) but was not asked too. Wade has spoke highly of Michael for over 20 years and has sworn under oath twice in his defense. If Michael really did anything he would not have done any of those things. Wade is lying and you are a pure example of just how dumb, ignorant and misguided our society is. They are quick to believe everything instead of researching facts and the whole story.

You dont think there is anything shady about someone defending someone for 20 years and EVEN after they have died to wait 4 years later to accuse them of something that they have constantly defended? Are people really this naive? lol Wow I know people are but just WOW

I am just so fucking tired of this shit and Im just so fucking angry which is why I have avoided commenting. Michael is no longer here to defend himself. His deceased... this motherfucker got some got damn nerve. Every since his passing all Michaels so called friends have turned on him and just have exploited him money. Michael truly did not have any friends.

Wades timeline is all screwed up as well from the time he claims the abuse took place. How is someone going to abuse you when their married and on tour out of the country. He was not with Michael 24/7.

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mjscarousal said:

Mintchip said:

I can believe Wade Robinson's story.

To be molested by your idol from such a young age, to be promised and given great things, professional connections, and an amazing career, all in exchange for protecting the very guy who's taking advantage of you...

Seems more believable than having a friend die, then years later having money troubles (btw - does wade robinson even have money troubles?), and so accusing your dead friend of molestation in an attempt to shake down his family...no. That's ridiculous.

Not to mention the abuse was reported already by a member of Jackson's staff.

If it's true, it's sad. It's fascinating too. I love Michael Jackson's music. I guess I just compartmentalize what I believe about the man in order to keep enjoying his music. Which is morally questionable on my part.

Wade has been having money troubles for the last couple of years and he is not a high in demand choregrapher like he was in the early 00s. Wade went to the MJ memorial and has spoke highly of Michael since his passing. He even participated in the VMA tribute. He really wanted to be apart of the Cirque Suloi (cant spell the word) but was not asked too. Wade has spoke highly of Michael for over 20 years and has sworn under oath twice in his defense. If Michael really did anything he would not have done any of those things. Wade is lying and you are a pure example of just how dumb, ignorant and misguided our society is. They are quick to believe everything instead of researching facts and the whole story.

You dont think there is anything shady about someone defending someone for 20 years and EVEN after they have died to wait 4 years later to accuse them of something that they have constantly defended? Are people really this naive? lol Wow I know people are but just WOW

[Edited 5/13/13 16:47pm]

I do not have a problem people believing MJ could have molest Wade. But for people to honestly believe he had repressed memories and that's why he continued to praise him up to last year and the reason why he swore twice under oath was due to repressed memories, then they are truely kidding themselves. This was not a one of incidence, which was never spoken about again. According to Wade this went on for 7 years, and at the same time he was being questioned about it. I even heard he was offered a 6 figured sum to say he was actually molested by MJ back in 93 and yet all these memories were suppose to be deeply buried. Pull the other one!!

Mintchip said:

I mean logically, if Wade Robinson is having money problems (again, is he???), path of least resistance would be...to go get more work.

Getting work would be FAR EASIER than suing the estate of Michael Jackson for molestation.

The fact alone that he's doing this, which has no guarantee of financial compensation (just the opposite), exposes Robinson as someone who lied under oath, hurts his reputation, and inspires hatred amongst Michael's fans and loyalists...tells me he must have a pretty good reason for going through with it.

Again, this is all opposed to...Wade Robinson needs money, so he just gets another job.

It feels to me like he's doing this to right a wrong. Like there's actually an emotional need to hold MJ accountable, and to tell the truth.

When the truth is so ugly and painful I can understand why it would take 7 years (and the passage into adulthood) to report it.

I'm sure the court will dismiss this absurd claim. This is a claim that's impossible to prove. And where's Robson now? Reportedly he's trying to get the heck out of CA rather than own up to the claims he made. You gotta wonder, why? If he actually was molested and wanted to speak up for justice's sake, if he really wanted to right a wrong like you said, he could've done an interview or made a public statement rather than sneakily file a claim asking for financial compensation. Hmm....I wonder how blind one has to be to give any credit to Robson's story.

* * *

I think a lot of people on twitter were wondering if AEG was behind this but personally I think it could've been Robson who was trying to take advantage of the situation. He clearly knows the last thing the Estate needed with the trial going on was another molestation claim that could further damage Michael's image, so he must've thought he could file a creditor's claim to get hush money paid easily and get away with it. Don't you guys think it's weird only after the file leaked and TMZ got ahold of it, Robson's lawyer decided to go public and make a statement through TMZ that Robson was molested for 7 years and that MJ was a monster? (The first TMZ article on May 7, it talked about the leaked documents about the claim, and the second article that was published on May 8th features his lawyer) It almost sounds like Robson was trying to blackmail the estate.

Mintchip said:

I mean logically, if Wade Robinson is having money problems (again, is he???), path of least resistance would be...to go get more work.

Getting work would be FAR EASIER than suing the estate of Michael Jackson for molestation.

The fact alone that he's doing this, which has no guarantee of financial compensation (just the opposite), exposes Robinson as someone who lied under oath, hurts his reputation, and inspires hatred amongst Michael's fans and loyalists...tells me he must have a pretty good reason for going through with it.

Again, this is all opposed to...Wade Robinson needs money, so he just gets another job.

It feels to me like he's doing this to right a wrong. Like there's actually an emotional need to hold MJ accountable, and to tell the truth.

When the truth is so ugly and painful I can understand why it would take 7 years (and the passage into adulthood) to report it.

He said that the memories came back in March 2011?
remind you how often he praised MJ after that?

My problem is not that I just can not believe that MJ is able to commit such a heinous crime, the problem is his accusers .... they were all suspicious and at the lowest point of their careers and welfare. if Robson came up with his confessions several years ago when he was really in demand as a choreographer and a dancer, I would have thought, but now - no, I do not believe him.
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how can we say that Michael did not have friends? unlikely such a situation, one MJ is good, and all the people around him are bad .... the probability microscopic. may be a problem in Michael then? ...

real friends are just trying to stay in the shade.

I believe in friendship with Barry Gibb or Mick Brando.

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LiLi1992 said:

how can we say that Michael did not have friends? unlikely such a situation, one MJ is good, and all the people around him are bad .... the probability microscopic. may be a problem in Michael then? ...

real friends are just trying to stay in the shade.

I believe in friendship with Barry Gibb or Mick Brando.

It just seems like you can count his real friends on one hand. For every 1 good friend, another set of 10 "friends" were just straight using him. Just very depressing to see.

MJ really has promoted the fact that it's not good to be too nice. As we see with him, when you're too nice and generous, you get fucked over HARD.

Check this blog out, I thought it was pretty interesting and the person goes into detail about Wade and AEG.

http://vindicatemj.wordpr...a-francia/

[Edited 5/14/13 11:48am]

EXCLUSIVE! Michael Jackson Vs Wade Robson: Shane Sparks DENOUNCES Previous Report & Gives His REAL Thoughts HERE!

We recently discussed a report in which choreographer Shane Sparks was said to believe Wade Robson's claims against Michael Jackson in the latest round of molestation accusations.

The report (and the quotes that came with it) made it seem like Shane, a self-professed MJ fanatic, believed that Michael molested Wade when he was a young child because of Shane's trust in Wade. But Shane wants to set the record straight.

He tells PerezHilton.com exclusively:

"Wow! TMZ can't wait to destroy a person's reputation.They call me for a statement about Wade and Micheal and I told them this is hard because I respect both of them. I know Wade personally and Michael through his music. I have so much respect for Michael that's why I wanted to make a statement. I told them I'm on the fence on this because I wasn't there, so I don't know what's true. I did tell them I saw gifts from Michael which is normal for Michael to do (nothing weird about that) and that Wade took us to the NeverLand but that's it. I never took a side on who I believed."

So essentially, Shane is saying he felt his quote was misused in the initial story, where they reported him as saying:

"Because of the man he is, I do believe him (Wade). I don't think he would lie about this because this could hurt him."

And Shane reveals the reason he even talked in the first place, admitting:

"They told me if I gave a statement they would give me an exclusive and let me tell my story on what happened to me (he was convicted of having unlawful sex with a minor back in 2011). I'd never disrespect Michael for anyone. I do know that Wade is a good man and didn't want people to hate on him. It meant a lot to me when my real friends stood by my side when I was going through my situation. I just wanted him to know that I have his back no matter what happens. I have yet to hear back from them about the exclusive and they probably won't do it. I want to apologize to anyone I offended with what they wrote. I'm not the type of person to talk down on anybody I just want to get a chance to tell my side of my story and they used me in the process. For the record, I am not a registered sex offender. That should tell you something. Soon you'll hear my side. Respect to Michael and his family."

Wow. So many thoughts and feelings here!

Pandora's box has really opened with these new claims, and we're just hoping peace is found through justice here. We're still not sure what to believe, but we just hope it's over sooner than later.

We won't hold our breath, though.

What are a few of your observations about Michael’s life that people outside of his world have never seen?

Todd Gray: Well, he was very observant, and had amazing focus. And when he was performing it might look effortless for him when he was doing it, but that only happened because he had a dedication and perfectionism focused on his performance, whether that was on stage or in the mixing booth with the engineers. He’d be nervous and tense before going onstage, but that would all get channeled into his performance. Sometimes he didn’t sleep well in hotels on the road, and he had a special recording machine that switched on in the middle of the night and played stories.

“One time I took pictures of him while he was in bed because he was late for a meeting I’d set up and wouldn’t get up. He was like, “Todd, I’m gonna get you for that!

And he did. I’d forgotten all about what happened while he was performing one night and he’d told me to stand in a specific spot to take photos of him when he began singing that song. I did as I was instructed. So right before I go to take my position, Michael drops to his back and starts saying, “Help me, help me! I need some woman to touch me!” and every woman in that place collapsed on me. I was between them and Michael and I couldn’t even get one shot in and he gave me this look like, I got you.

Afterwards, I said you think you’re so cute, and he says, “What do you mean, Todd?” I’m like, Mike that hurt; those people were crushing me and all he said: “Todd, the spirit just takes me sometimes and the spirit just took me.” That’s when I knew that was payback and that was the last time I stepped out of line with him” - Todd Gray

NaughtyKitty said:

What are a few of your observations about Michael’s life that people outside of his world have never seen?

Todd Gray: Well, he was very observant, and had amazing focus. And when he was performing it might look effortless for him when he was doing it, but that only happened because he had a dedication and perfectionism focused on his performance, whether that was on stage or in the mixing booth with the engineers. He’d be nervous and tense before going onstage, but that would all get channeled into his performance. Sometimes he didn’t sleep well in hotels on the road, and he had a special recording machine that switched on in the middle of the night and played stories.

“One time I took pictures of him while he was in bed because he was late for a meeting I’d set up and wouldn’t get up. He was like, “Todd, I’m gonna get you for that!

And he did. I’d forgotten all about what happened while he was performing one night and he’d told me to stand in a specific spot to take photos of him when he began singing that song. I did as I was instructed. So right before I go to take my position, Michael drops to his back and starts saying, “Help me, help me! I need some woman to touch me!” and every woman in that place collapsed on me. I was between them and Michael and I couldn’t even get one shot in and he gave me this look like, I got you.

Afterwards, I said you think you’re so cute, and he says, “What do you mean, Todd?” I’m like, Mike that hurt; those people were crushing me and all he said: “Todd, the spirit just takes me sometimes and the spirit just took me.” That’s when I knew that was payback and that was the last time I stepped out of line with him” - Todd Gray

Funny story and I those pics of MJ

Cute story and great pics.

Thanks NaughtyKitty

mjscarousal said:

Mintchip said:

I can believe Wade Robinson's story.

To be molested by your idol from such a young age, to be promised and given great things, professional connections, and an amazing career, all in exchange for protecting the very guy who's taking advantage of you...

Seems more believable than having a friend die, then years later having money troubles (btw - does wade robinson even have money troubles?), and so accusing your dead friend of molestation in an attempt to shake down his family...no. That's ridiculous.

Not to mention the abuse was reported already by a member of Jackson's staff.

If it's true, it's sad. It's fascinating too. I love Michael Jackson's music. I guess I just compartmentalize what I believe about the man in order to keep enjoying his music. Which is morally questionable on my part.

Wade has been having money troubles for the last couple of years and he is not a high in demand choregrapher like he was in the early 00s. Wade went to the MJ memorial and has spoke highly of Michael since his passing. He even participated in the VMA tribute. He really wanted to be apart of the Cirque Suloi (cant spell the word) but was not asked too. Wade has spoke highly of Michael for over 20 years and has sworn under oath twice in his defense. If Michael really did anything he would not have done any of those things. Wade is lying and you are a pure example of just how dumb, ignorant and misguided our society is. They are quick to believe everything instead of researching facts and the whole story.

You dont think there is anything shady about someone defending someone for 20 years and EVEN after they have died to wait 4 years later to accuse them of something that they have constantly defended? Are people really this naive? lol Wow I know people are but just WOW

I am just so fucking tired of this shit and Im just so fucking angry which is why I have avoided commenting. Michael is no longer here to defend himself. His deceased... this motherfucker got some got damn nerve. Every since his passing all Michaels so called friends have turned on him and just have exploited him money. Michael truly did not have any friends.

Wades timeline is all screwed up as well from the time he claims the abuse took place. How is someone going to abuse you when their married and on tour out of the country. He was not with Michael 24/7.

[Edited 5/13/13 17:08pm]

You're too quick to get personal. I'm not dumb, ignorant, or misguided. Usually the person screeching out names is the one who needs to elevate their thinking

I have an easy time understanding how a child would protect the person molesting them. In fact I think it happens all the time. And if the person is Michael Jackson, and he's helping the child become a famous choreographer...that's a no brainer.

Molested kids always think it's their fault. They don't want to tell, out of shame. If it's michael jackson, and telling makes national headlines ... I can very easily picture the kid who keeps his mouth shut.

Your point that he wasn't with Michael 24/7 has no relevance. Michael could have abused him once, twice, three times a lady. He's not saying he raped him everyday.

Bottom line: I have an easier time believing that Robson was molested and lied about it, than I do believing Robson ran out of money, and thought extortion of his old friend's estate was the best way forward.

Unless Robson's on drugs or something. That would explain the lack in logic, lack of money, and the sad desperation of the move.

You're welcom! Glad you all enjoyed the pics and story

Mintchip said:

mjscarousal said:

Wade has been having money troubles for the last couple of years and he is not a high in demand choregrapher like he was in the early 00s. Wade went to the MJ memorial and has spoke highly of Michael since his passing. He even participated in the VMA tribute. He really wanted to be apart of the Cirque Suloi (cant spell the word) but was not asked too. Wade has spoke highly of Michael for over 20 years and has sworn under oath twice in his defense. If Michael really did anything he would not have done any of those things. Wade is lying and you are a pure example of just how dumb, ignorant and misguided our society is. They are quick to believe everything instead of researching facts and the whole story.

You dont think there is anything shady about someone defending someone for 20 years and EVEN after they have died to wait 4 years later to accuse them of something that they have constantly defended? Are people really this naive? lol Wow I know people are but just WOW

I am just so fucking tired of this shit and Im just so fucking angry which is why I have avoided commenting. Michael is no longer here to defend himself. His deceased... this motherfucker got some got damn nerve. Every since his passing all Michaels so called friends have turned on him and just have exploited him money. Michael truly did not have any friends.

Wades timeline is all screwed up as well from the time he claims the abuse took place. How is someone going to abuse you when their married and on tour out of the country. He was not with Michael 24/7.

[Edited 5/13/13 17:08pm]

You're too quick to get personal. I'm not dumb, ignorant, or misguided. Usually the person screeching out names is the one who needs to elevate their thinking

I have an easy time understanding how a child would protect the person molesting them. In fact I think it happens all the time. And if the person is Michael Jackson, and he's helping the child become a famous choreographer...that's a no brainer.

Molested kids always think it's their fault. They don't want to tell, out of shame. If it's michael jackson, and telling makes national headlines ... I can very easily picture the kid who keeps his mouth shut.

Your point that he wasn't with Michael 24/7 has no relevance. Michael could have abused him once, twice, three times a lady. He's not saying he raped him everyday.

Bottom line: I have an easier time believing that Robson was molested and lied about it, than I do believing Robson ran out of money, and thought extortion of his old friend's estate was the best way forward.

Unless Robson's on drugs or something. That would explain the lack in logic, lack of money, and the sad desperation of the move.

But wade did not just keep quiet. He testified under oath twice, the last time as an adult. Up to last year he continued to offer priases to his alleged abuser. He help Jermaine Jackson with his book about MJ ad then he came up with repress memories as of why he is sueing the estate now for childhood abuse. I am not saying the guy is lying but I would have given him more credit if he just came out with the fact that he was just living in denial, rather than the repress memory BS to escape any prejury charges.

Mintchip said:

mjscarousal said:

Wade has been having money troubles for the last couple of years and he is not a high in demand choregrapher like he was in the early 00s. Wade went to the MJ memorial and has spoke highly of Michael since his passing. He even participated in the VMA tribute. He really wanted to be apart of the Cirque Suloi (cant spell the word) but was not asked too. Wade has spoke highly of Michael for over 20 years and has sworn under oath twice in his defense. If Michael really did anything he would not have done any of those things. Wade is lying and you are a pure example of just how dumb, ignorant and misguided our society is. They are quick to believe everything instead of researching facts and the whole story.

You dont think there is anything shady about someone defending someone for 20 years and EVEN after they have died to wait 4 years later to accuse them of something that they have constantly defended? Are people really this naive? lol Wow I know people are but just WOW

I am just so fucking tired of this shit and Im just so fucking angry which is why I have avoided commenting. Michael is no longer here to defend himself. His deceased... this motherfucker got some got damn nerve. Every since his passing all Michaels so called friends have turned on him and just have exploited him money. Michael truly did not have any friends.

Wades timeline is all screwed up as well from the time he claims the abuse took place. How is someone going to abuse you when their married and on tour out of the country. He was not with Michael 24/7.

[Edited 5/13/13 17:08pm]

You're too quick to get personal. I'm not dumb, ignorant, or misguided. Usually the person screeching out names is the one who needs to elevate their thinking

I have an easy time understanding how a child would protect the person molesting them. In fact I think it happens all the time. And if the person is Michael Jackson, and he's helping the child become a famous choreographer...that's a no brainer.

Molested kids always think it's their fault. They don't want to tell, out of shame. If it's michael jackson, and telling makes national headlines ... I can very easily picture the kid who keeps his mouth shut.

Your point that he wasn't with Michael 24/7 has no relevance. Michael could have abused him once, twice, three times a lady. He's not saying he raped him everyday.

Bottom line: I have an easier time believing that Robson was molested and lied about it, than I do believing Robson ran out of money, and thought extortion of his old friend's estate was the best way forward.

Unless Robson's on drugs or something. That would explain the lack in logic, lack of money, and the sad desperation of the move.

Its not about getting personal.

Anybody who formulates a belief off of their assumptions and not on facts or evidence is narrowminded and naive. If that is what you want to believe than find. Its easy to believe a man is a pedophile since his has been accused twice because that is just how stupid and dumb our society is. What about the evidence? What about the facts suroundined the big picture? I never called you out your name directly but that is the mentality of the world we are living in. They dont reasearch and are quick to give people labels, judge people and give titles to fit their own agenda or the medias agends. You have not mentioned any of the times Wade represented Michael in his defense, spoke under Oath on his behalf, mention possible motives, talked about Wades money problems etc. You have only given your ASSUMPTIONS that seem to automatically insist MJ is wrong without looking at both sides.

I agree with whatsgoingon.. the repressed memory is straight bs not to mention in the court docs he was asking for money not asking for justice.

http://www.cnn.com/2013/05/14/showbiz/jackson-death-trial/index.html

Hey Patrick, remember when u told me days ago Michael didn't need rehearsals

well, when u read this...holla back at me...

^^And your point is?? I said he was getting there and according to the excerpts below, that's the case. There were still 2 and a half weeks left to rehearse until the first show. Also he doesn't have to rehearse at Staples center or whereever everyone else is. He can rehearse and memorize his routines on his own. Investors getting nervous and doubting him is irrelevant.

Travis Payne, who worked closely with Michael Jackson in his final days, earlier testified that in Jackson's last rehearsals before his death, he was "not at show standards but he was rehearsing, he was processing."

He told Jackson, "You're looking thin," and Jackson responded, "Well, I'm getting down to my fighting weight," according to Payne, who added, "I didn't have a reason to doubt him."

Payne, though, said Jackson's rehearsals the last two nights were "impressive" when he "was able to do chunks of the show."

"He was not at show standards, but he was rehearsing, he was processing," he said. "I didn't expect him to be as if he was in front of a crowd. The last two days were pretty good."

Was he ready to perform for an audience? Panish asked.

"I thought he was on his way to the goals he had set for himself," Payne answered. "All I saw was improvement and getting closer to the goals."

An e-mail written by "This Is It" band director Michael Bearden to Ortega 11 days before Jackson's death was displayed in court.

"MJ is not in shape enough yet to sing this stuff live and dance at the same time," Bearden wrote. "He can use the ballads to sing live and get his stamina back up, Once he's healthy enough and have more strength I have full confidence he can sing the majority of the show live. His voice sounds amazing right now, he needs to build it back up. I still need all big dance numbers to be in the system so we can concentrate on choreography."

PatrickS77 said:

^^And your point is?? I said he was getting there and according to the excerpts below, that's the case. There were still 2 and a half weeks left to rehearse until the first show. Also he doesn't have to rehearse at Staples center or whereever everyone else is. He can rehearse and memorize his routines on his own. Investors getting nervous and doubting him is irrelevant.

Travis Payne, who worked closely with Michael Jackson in his final days, earlier testified that in Jackson's last rehearsals before his death, he was "not at show standards but he was rehearsing, he was processing."

He told Jackson, "You're looking thin," and Jackson responded, "Well, I'm getting down to my fighting weight," according to Payne, who added, "I didn't have a reason to doubt him."

Payne, though, said Jackson's rehearsals the last two nights were "impressive" when he "was able to do chunks of the show."

"He was not at show standards, but he was rehearsing, he was processing," he said. "I didn't expect him to be as if he was in front of a crowd. The last two days were pretty good."

Was he ready to perform for an audience? Panish asked.

"I thought he was on his way to the goals he had set for himself," Payne answered. "All I saw was improvement and getting closer to the goals."

An e-mail written by "This Is It" band director Michael Bearden to Ortega 11 days before Jackson's death was displayed in court.

"MJ is not in shape enough yet to sing this stuff live and dance at the same time," Bearden wrote. "He can use the ballads to sing live and get his stamina back up, Once he's healthy enough and have more strength I have full confidence he can sing the majority of the show live. His voice sounds amazing right now, he needs to build it back up. I still need all big dance numbers to be in the system so we can concentrate on choreography."

I see you chose to highlight the "ideal" stuff

but left out all the in between

but I'll be back later today......I'll holla

mjscarousal said:

Mintchip said:

You're too quick to get personal. I'm not dumb, ignorant, or misguided. Usually the person screeching out names is the one who needs to elevate their thinking

I have an easy time understanding how a child would protect the person molesting them. In fact I think it happens all the time. And if the person is Michael Jackson, and he's helping the child become a famous choreographer...that's a no brainer.

Molested kids always think it's their fault. They don't want to tell, out of shame. If it's michael jackson, and telling makes national headlines ... I can very easily picture the kid who keeps his mouth shut.

Your point that he wasn't with Michael 24/7 has no relevance. Michael could have abused him once, twice, three times a lady. He's not saying he raped him everyday.

Bottom line: I have an easier time believing that Robson was molested and lied about it, than I do believing Robson ran out of money, and thought extortion of his old friend's estate was the best way forward.

Unless Robson's on drugs or something. That would explain the lack in logic, lack of money, and the sad desperation of the move.

Its not about getting personal.

Anybody who formulates a belief off of their assumptions and not on facts or evidence is narrowminded and naive. If that is what you want to believe than find. Its easy to believe a man is a pedophile since his has been accused twice because that is just how stupid and dumb our society is. What about the evidence? What about the facts suroundined the big picture? I never called you out your name directly but that is the mentality of the world we are living in. They dont reasearch and are quick to give people labels, judge people and give titles to fit their own agenda or the medias agends. You have not mentioned any of the times Wade represented Michael in his defense, spoke under Oath on his behalf, mention possible motives, talked about Wades money problems etc. You have only given your ASSUMPTIONS that seem to automatically insist MJ is wrong without looking at both sides.

I agree with whatsgoingon.. the repressed memory is straight bs not to mention in the court docs he was asking for money not asking for justice.

Well Mr. Wade has now changed his story. Claims memory was never repressed on Today's Show. He found out those videos are out there AFTER therapy PRAISING MJ..smdh This guy is too apparent . I mean this guy involved himself in Jermaine's book about MJ, again PRAISING him. Would be laughable if it wasn't so horrible.

mrsnet said:

Well Mr. Wade has now changed his story. Claims memory was never repressed on Today's Show. He found out those videos are out there AFTER therapy PRAISING MJ..smdh This guy is too apparent . I mean this guy involved himself in Jermaine's book about MJ, again PRAISING him. Would be laughable if it wasn't so horrible.