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This is the album that started it all.

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TD3,I knew that you would be all up in this thread

Dustygroove has the debut album (reissue) in stock

image note view larger image Sylvers Sylvers $9.99 ... LP (reissue) (€7.42 || £6.40 || ¥926) (approx.) LP (Item 648175) Pride, 1972 — Condition: New Copy The first album by The Sylvers – a hard soulful band made up of youngsters from LA, but who had a lot more going on than some of the other kiddie-soul bands of the early 70s! The group's a sextet at this point, with four male voices and two female ones – coming across as a sweet blend of tenor and soprano harmonies, in a similar mode to the Five Stairsteps. The record has a solid sound and a funky groove that gives you a hint at what stars the kids would grow up to be – as not only The Sylvers would go on to crack the charts big, but members Leon and Foster would do some pretty great soul work on their own. Jerry Peters did arrangements on the best cuts – with that slightly messed-up groove that he brought to his best 70s work. The record includes the great funky sample cut "Fool's Paradise", which has a great intro that steps along with a fierce bongo sample! Also includes some nice mellower soul material – like "Wish That I Could Talk to You", "I Know Myself", and "Chaos". All that, and Jerry Butler production too! © 1996-2013, Dusty Groove, Inc.

SoulAlive said:

TD3,I knew that you would be all up in this thread

And you know this...!!! This is my heart. my group,... here.

^^ LOVE that song!!!

SoulAlive said:

Dustygroove has the debut album (reissue) in stock

image note view larger image Sylvers Sylvers $9.99 ... LP (reissue) (€7.42 || £6.40 || ¥926) (approx.) LP (Item 648175) Pride, 1972 — Condition: New Copy The first album by The Sylvers – a hard soulful band made up of youngsters from LA, but who had a lot more going on than some of the other kiddie-soul bands of the early 70s! The group's a sextet at this point, with four male voices and two female ones – coming across as a sweet blend of tenor and soprano harmonies, in a similar mode to the Five Stairsteps. The record has a solid sound and a funky groove that gives you a hint at what stars the kids would grow up to be – as not only The Sylvers would go on to crack the charts big, but members Leon and Foster would do some pretty great soul work on their own. Jerry Peters did arrangements on the best cuts – with that slightly messed-up groove that he brought to his best 70s work. The record includes the great funky sample cut "Fool's Paradise", which has a great intro that steps along with a fierce bongo sample! Also includes some nice mellower soul material – like "Wish That I Could Talk to You", "I Know Myself", and "Chaos". All that, and Jerry Butler production too! © 1996-2013, Dusty Groove, Inc.

Ah shit.... I'm going to have to get over to my Yahoo Sylvers' fansite and see if everyone has knows the 411. Thanks Soul.

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This album is GODLY! Actually the first three albums are masterpieces.

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Man somebody has GOT to reissue this stuff on CD!!

Definitely the first three, but I want all of their albums on disc....

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silverchild said:

This album is GODLY! Actually the first three albums are masterpieces.

I'm going to have to go through my notes and see who owns their three classic albums. I wrote the record label (should I say, the conglomerate) once and they gave me the patent answer, the had plans sale all their music via digital download, that was 3 1/2 years ago. Remember, everyone sign the petition (s) there's one via Amazon and another one floating around.

Just in case anyone didn't catch the Unsung (Sylvers) documentary its here.

TD3 said:

silverchild said:

This album is GODLY! Actually the first three albums are masterpieces.

I'm going to have to go through my notes and see who owns their three classic albums. I wrote the record label (should I say, the conglomerate) once and they gave me the patent answer, the had plans sale all their music via digital download, that was 3 1/2 years ago. Remember, everyone sign the petition (s) there's one via Amazon and another one floating around.

Just in case anyone didn't catch the Unsung (Sylvers) documentary its here.

I got all three of the albums on iTunes when they were available. They were ripped straight from vinyl though, so the sound quality was slighty jacked up, but it was all good. Someone needs to reissue those albums quickly. I believe I read somewhere Pride/MGM Records caught on fire and certain tapes were damaged in the fire (including the tapes for The Sylvers' first three albums). So I really don't know. I know last year two of their Capitol-era albums were reissued.

silverchild said:

TD3 said:

I'm going to have to go through my notes and see who owns their three classic albums. I wrote the record label (should I say, the conglomerate) once and they gave me the patent answer, the had plans sale all their music via digital download, that was 3 1/2 years ago. Remember, everyone sign the petition (s) there's one via Amazon and another one floating around.

Just in case anyone didn't catch the Unsung (Sylvers) documentary its here.

I got all three of the albums on iTunes when they were available. They were ripped straight from vinyl though, so the sound quality was slighty jacked up, but it was all good. Someone needs to reissue those albums quickly. I believe I read somewhere Pride/MGM Records caught on fire and certain tapes were damaged in the fire (including the tapes for The Sylvers' first three albums). So I really don't know. I know last year two of their Capitol-era albums were reissued.

When Apple/iTunes did that t was because people had petitioned them to add the Sylvers full discography to their digital store. Even so, I was shocked to learn they had ripped those albums via vinyl, hell I could hear some pops and shit. They should have contacted several people who have The Sylvers complete discography they never played; I don't think Apple ever did that for any other group, ever.

I too thought the reason for the rip from vinyl was because the urban legend about the Sylvers Master's being destroyed in a fire was true. Leon Sylvers says that's not the case, their masters to all of the music is in safe keeping; they just don't own the rights to their music hence the reason why most of it hasn't been remastered for CD or digital download. Of course there was the 1995 remaster of Razor & Tie remaster of Boogie Fever: The Best of The Sylvers' CD.

Those record suits are stuck on an extra heap of stupid. Look how long it took Motown to release the DeBarge complete discography after Unsung and at that was half ass-ed.

TD3 said:

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This is the album that started it all.

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An original copy right?

HuMpThAnG said:

TD3 said:

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This is the album that started it all.

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An original copy right?

Damn straigh it is, I bought this album in March of 1972.

TD3 said:

Those record suits are stuck on an extra heap of stupid. Look how long it took Motown to release the DeBarge complete discography after Unsung and at that was half ass-ed.

The record companies in the US don't really put that much emphasis on old R&B/soul/funk music, but on reissuing Dark Side Of The Moon and Kind Of Blue constantly. Usually there might be a Greatest Hits or Best Of. But I don't think it's totally the labels fault. I guess if there is a big demand, then they wouldn't be out of print. The Beatles are guaranteed big sellers, so a label will spend a lot more money and time remastering their albums than The Sylvers. All remastering isn't the same, some just make the albums louder or pump up the bass. I can do that myself with the volume and bass/treble knobs on the stereo. The R&Bish albums that are in print, (US) generally are the ones that crossed over. I think it's taken more seriously in other countries like Japan and maybe the UK, where R&B albums can be found in print. Japan even sell less known acts/albums.

TD3 said:

HuMpThAnG said:

An original copy right?

Damn straigh it is, I bought this album in March of 1972.

wow...original indeed

paligap said:

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Man somebody has GOT to reissue this stuff on CD!!

Definitely the first three, but I want all of their albums on disc....

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I don't know who reissued this album, but if it's Numero, then they primarily re-release old out of print albums on LP, although some titles are on CD. They also have compilation LP's/box sets of rare songs and obscure acts.

MickyDolenz said:

TD3 said:

Those record suits are stuck on an extra heap of stupid. Look how long it took Motown to release the DeBarge complete discography after Unsung and at that was half ass-ed.

The record companies in the US don't really put that much emphasis on old R&B/soul/funk music, but on reissuing Dark Side Of The Moon and Kind Of Blue constantly. Usually there might be a Greatest Hits or Best Of. But I don't think it's totally the labels fault. I guess if there is a big demand, then they wouldn't be out of print. The Beatles are guaranteed big sellers, so a label will spend a lot more money and time remastering their albums than The Sylvers. All remastering isn't the same, some just make the albums louder or pump up the bass. I can do that myself with the volume and bass/treble knobs on the stereo. The R&Bish albums that are in print, (US) generally are the ones that crossed over. I think it's taken more seriously in other countries like Japan and maybe the UK, where R&B albums can be found in print. Japan even sell less known acts/albums.

There's nothing that hasn't been released in Japan and/or European in the past decade plus that didn't find its way to downloading sites. Nothing. I'll go further and tell there's nothing they've released that my beauty shop CD, DVD, and now flash-drive man doesn't have in his collection or he can't get. Maybe they haven't grasp the concept of the Internet and it possibility's or the technology that allows you do copy high standard audio.

I can tell you the Sylvers discography that was on iTunes for about 4 months sold millions of records... this was even after people realized they had been ripped. I don't know all the particulars but Apple Inc expressed frustration that they couldn't get the record label to pull Sylvers discography out of the vaults to be remastered / digitized. In terms of what they claim to know or what they claim what will sale or not; I wouldn't take much of what the record companies had to say about much with a grain of salt. They've lost profits and market share, one side of their mouth they complain they've lost money because they are being ripped off. On the other side of their mouth they tell you they know what will sale and what won't. If that's the case than all of the R&B, Jazz and all other types of music out of print but can be download shouldn't hurt their bottom line. They can't have it both ways. (IMHO)

I can't speak for all music, the Sylvers discography is in need of being remastered.

TD3 said:

They've lost profits and market share, one side of their mouth they complain they've lost money because they are being ripped off. On the other side of their mouth they tell you they know what will sale and what won't. If that's the case than all of the R&B, Jazz and all other types of music out of print but can be download shouldn't hurt their bottom line. They can't have it both ways. (IMHO)

I can't speak for all music, the Sylvers discography is in need of being remastered.

Remastering costs money though, especially if it's done at high quality. If the labels don't want to spend the money, then they can do like Warner Archive DVD's. They're movies/shorts/cartoons that are not in print and/or have no intention of commercially re-releasing to stores, but made to order. They don't restore the movies and have no extra features, so the quality may or may not be good depending on the condition of the film.

To me, the labels only want to make money, not put music out there just to do it. It's like "If we can't make money for the stockholders, you can't have it". Poor quality videos on Youtube of old TV footage of stuff that might not even exist anymore except on home VHS tapes people recorded (since TV networks used to record over previously filmed programs to save money) isn't hurting anyone's profits, yet record/film companies and TV networks take them down for copyright infringement all the time.

MickyDolenz said:

TD3 said:

They've lost profits and market share, one side of their mouth they complain they've lost money because they are being ripped off. On the other side of their mouth they tell you they know what will sale and what won't. If that's the case than all of the R&B, Jazz and all other types of music out of print but can be downloaded for free shouldn't hurt their bottom line. They can't have it both ways. (IMHO)

I can't speak for all music, the Sylvers discography is in need of being remastered.

Remastering costs money though, especially if it's done at high quality. If the labels don't want to spend the money, then they can do like Warner Archive DVD's. They're movies/shorts/cartoons that are not in print and/or have no intention of commercially re-releasing to stores, but made to order. They don't restore the movies and have no extra features, so the quality may or may not be good depending on the condition of the film.

To me, the labels only want to make money, not put music out there just to do it. It's like "If we can't make money for the stockholders, you can't have it". Poor quality videos on Youtube of old TV footage of stuff that might not even exist anymore except on home VHS tapes people recorded (since TV networks used to record over previously filmed programs to save money) isn't hurting anyone's profits, yet record/film companies and TV networks take them down for copyright infringement all the time.

Well there you go and its one of the many reasons why they (record companies) find themselves in a quagmire now. These are the same debates and struggles they had about switching from vinyl to CD to CD to digital /Internet music. Something has to give and what has been taken has not only cost them (the record companies) billions in profits, losing control over distribution, copyright/intellectual property infringement but also relevance. As my late father said, "You can hold onto something so tight in hopes of controlling it, you end up losing what you had and more." Sometimes greed can be counter productive.

All I'm saying is a couple years ago a letter campaign convinced Apple Inc. to find a way to sale the complete Sylvers discography. I don't know who Apple spoke with are what agreement was made to get the Sylvers music up or why it was taken down. Though I suspect the inferior uploads (ripped from vinyl) were the main reason why their music was removed. Every since then we've seen similar campaigns to get other artist music up and/or remastered. What company it its right mind ignores what the customer wants? Isn't that dumb? People are aware they can download the music for free but yet the want to by it! People want to buy music but its not made available, are you kidding me?

It's like CEO of Apple Cook said last week when some one suggested that the iPad was cutting into their notebook profits. Cook said he rather have one of their products cannibalize another than lose profits and market-share to a competitor.

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[Edited 3/15/13 19:33pm]

TD3 said:

SoulAlive said:

Dustygroove has the debut album (reissue) in stock

image note view larger image Sylvers Sylvers $9.99 ... LP (reissue) (€7.42 || £6.40 || ¥926) (approx.) LP (Item 648175) Pride, 1972 — Condition: New Copy The first album by The Sylvers – a hard soulful band made up of youngsters from LA, but who had a lot more going on than some of the other kiddie-soul bands of the early 70s! The group's a sextet at this point, with four male voices and two female ones – coming across as a sweet blend of tenor and soprano harmonies, in a similar mode to the Five Stairsteps. The record has a solid sound and a funky groove that gives you a hint at what stars the kids would grow up to be – as not only The Sylvers would go on to crack the charts big, but members Leon and Foster would do some pretty great soul work on their own. Jerry Peters did arrangements on the best cuts – with that slightly messed-up groove that he brought to his best 70s work. The record includes the great funky sample cut "Fool's Paradise", which has a great intro that steps along with a fierce bongo sample! Also includes some nice mellower soul material – like "Wish That I Could Talk to You", "I Know Myself", and "Chaos". All that, and Jerry Butler production too! © 1996-2013, Dusty Groove, Inc.

Ah shit.... I'm going to have to get over to my Yahoo Sylvers' fansite and see if everyone has knows the 411. Thanks Soul.

I went ahead and ordered myself a copy

Great album. I'll Never Be Ashamed agaaaaaaain..is my jaym. Might have to play that on the road about now. I know Myself, How Love Hurts, Wish I Can Talk To You....amazing

TD3 said:

MickyDolenz said:

Remastering costs money though, especially if it's done at high quality. If the labels don't want to spend the money, then they can do like Warner Archive DVD's. They're movies/shorts/cartoons that are not in print and/or have no intention of commercially re-releasing to stores, but made to order. They don't restore the movies and have no extra features, so the quality may or may not be good depending on the condition of the film.

To me, the labels only want to make money, not put music out there just to do it. It's like "If we can't make money for the stockholders, you can't have it". Poor quality videos on Youtube of old TV footage of stuff that might not even exist anymore except on home VHS tapes people recorded (since TV networks used to record over previously filmed programs to save money) isn't hurting anyone's profits, yet record/film companies and TV networks take them down for copyright infringement all the time.

Well there you go and its one of the many reasons why they (record companies) find themselves in a quagmire now. These are the same debates and struggles they had about switching from vinyl to CD to CD to digital /Internet music. Something has to give and what has been taken has not only cost them (the record companies) billions in profits, losing control over distribution, copyright/intellectual property infringement but also relevance. As my late father said, "You can hold onto something so tight in hopes of controlling it, you end up losing what you had and more." Sometimes greed can be counter productive.

All I'm saying is a couple years ago a letter campaign convinced Apple Inc. to find a way to sale the complete Sylvers discography. I don't know who Apple spoke with are what agreement was made to get the Sylvers music up or why it was taken down. Though I suspect the inferior uploads (ripped from vinyl) were the main reason why their music was removed. Every since then we've seen similar campaigns to get other artist music up and/or remastered. What company it its right mind ignores what the customer wants? Isn't that dumb? People are aware they can download the music for free but yet the want to by it! People want to buy music but its not made available, are you kidding me?

It's like CEO of Apple Cook said last week when some one suggested that the iPad was cutting into their notebook profits. Cook said he rather have one of their products cannibalize another than lose profits and market-share to a competitor.

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Whoa !!!!!!!!!! I didn't know there was a campaign to get the Sylvers discography added to the the Itunes lineup. How did i miss this ? But, yeah they need to quit twiddling their thumbs, and get these Sylvers albums on cd. I know Funkytown was gonna do the self titled album, but i guess since they're having issues with Universal(i believe Pride/MGM is now under Universal, right ?), it's been at a stand still.

SoulAlive said:

TD3 said:

Ah shit.... I'm going to have to get over to my Yahoo Sylvers' fansite and see if everyone has knows the 411. Thanks Soul.

I went ahead and ordered myself a copy

Personally, I rather have the original

Still searching

HuMpThAnG said:

SoulAlive said:

I went ahead and ordered myself a copy

Personally, I rather have the original

Still searching

have you checked ebay? You might be able to find an original,sealed copy

or if not....you can always steal TD3's copy

SoulAlive said:

HuMpThAnG said:

Personally, I rather have the original

Still searching

have you checked ebay? You might be able to find an original,sealed copy

Don't trust ebay

Got all of em' except the first three

Gonna start doing the record dig this summer

SoulAlive said:

or if not....you can always steal TD3's copy

Just try and see what happens...

The only reissues of the Sylvers discography has been, Foster Sylvers (album debut), and now Sylvers I (MGM / Pride). The only vinyl album that made it to CD was the Concept album ( SOLAR). The best, Best of CD was, Boogie Fever: The Best of the Sylvers . So, your chances of being ripped off by eBay are minuscule... the 3 classic albums never sold all that well to be even considered for reissues... Sylvers III didn't even chart.

If you want to be guaranteed you are getting first pressings, I'd recommend you buy your vinyl over at http://www.discogs.com. By the way all Sylvers I, II & III are for sale now.

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TD3 said:

SoulAlive said:

or if not....you can always steal TD3's copy

Just try and see what happens...

The only reissues of the Sylvers discography has been, Foster Sylvers (album debut), and now Sylvers I (MGM / Pride). The only vinyl album that made it to CD was the Concept album ( SOLAR). The best, Best of CD was, Boogie Fever: The Best of the Sylvers . So, your chances of being ripped off by eBay are minuscule... the 3 classic albums never sold all that well to be even considered for reissues... Sylvers III didn't even chart.

If you want to be guaranteed you are getting first pressings, I'd recommend you buy your vinyl over at http://www.discogs.com. By the way all Sylvers I, II & III are for sale now.

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Don't forget the two for one, "Showcase" and "New Horizons", that soulmusic.com put out on cd.