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I definitely don't give them free passes, but I can't complain if they are performing like they should be instead of living off other people's money. They still have talent to do it and I'm glad they did it. If they continue sticking to the music, even with touring and no albums (maybe it's better that way, I was not feeling what they recorded in their reality show) I have no issues with it. | |
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Why should they have one? Where is the written law that says you have to have new music to be allowed to tour??? Why would I want to hear fewer of the classics to hear some new songs I do not care about?? They haven't been on tour in 30 years. I want to hear as much old songs as possible. They are a legacy act, they do not need new songs, which most likely won't live up to the old songs anyway. In many cases of veteran bands on tour the excitement in the audience goes considerably down, when new songs are being played instead of the old songs.
Yeah. Basically. I do think though that when they can do theatres now, they surely could have done theatres then. But then again, going from playing in stadiums during the Victory tour (where over 2 mio people saw them) to theatres within 5 years... I can see why they didn't want to do that. And since the support for the album wasn't too great, they just gave up and hoped they could get Michael to join them again. It's not like they didn't try to get something going several times.
As for Scorps claim that Marlon's album was 2 times platinum, check http://www.riaa.com/golda...e-database#. You won't find a Marlon Jackson. As for Marlon being #1 at radio airplay... who cares? It's only radio. It's only air. What counts is that people buy the song and not that some DJs like his song. Also Jermaine never had a platinum album (of course, Motown didn't get their albums certified, so he might have done better then, but on Arista he never reached that level). But, we all know that Scorp never lets facts get into the way of his opinion.
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I preferred this track from a year earlier produced by Al B. Sure! that featured a "Show You the Way to Go" sample:
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wait a minute...wait a minute....wait a minute...wait a minute....wait a minute
first thing's first...the one thing I don't do or have to do is call out another poster....when I respond to someone, I communicate and respond to what he or she said directly, I don't bring other names into the discussion.......that's the first thing.......
and second of all.....I aint worried about that linke u just posted......
are you gonna sit there and say that Jermaine Jackson NEVER went platinum at any stage of his career with Arista before his career was sabotaged by late 1991, 1992....
since u try and call people out, are u gonna sit there and make that claim?.....are u reallly trying to pass that off
better yet, I'm a ask u the question...do you really think the reason why Marlon Jackson reached #1 airplay was because a group of DJ'S liked the song?.....that's the only reason....
and it wasn't just some DJ's as you try and spin it (no pun intended)....it was the top song on rotation on urban radio across the united states....
and let's say that was the case, that's why artists make music, so their music can be heard and played on the airwaves
if you are gonna use that logic.....we can take that argument and apply that to Michael's last album Invincible, where during the summer of 1991, both YOU ROCK MY WORLD and BUTTERFLIES were being played on radio 4 months before the album came out, the album didn't come out until October, radio was playing the songs as early as June, and it wasn't pop radio, it was urban radio...
you think Michael would not have been disappointed if he did not receive airplay during that summer?...
Invincible was the album that Michael attempted to regain the audience he knew he had lost by the late 80s……by 1996,1997, Pop radio in the united states stopped playing his music so Michael knew he had to regain that which he had lost to sustain his career. …so when you say airplay doesn’t matter, the evidence proves contrary to that….
but see, it's funny how some try and spin angles when their original position gets proven false..for years, when I was on the KOP forum, and explained that Marlon did what he did in 1987, and they told me I was just giving off wolf tickets, when I showed that interview with Arsenio Hall and was recognized for what he achieved...nobody said absolutely nothing, because they thought they always knew but didn't really know.....
but see, I remember the day where copies of 2300 Jackson street was pulled from the shelves at the local record store, I was there watching it happened the very day it went down, and within that same period radio stations dropped that song from the rotation and was never heard from again...and when I say it was pulled off the shelves, I mean every single copy....yanked....
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I agree with EVERYTHING that you said. | |
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R&b radio helped invincible a great deal and people were playing yrmw on bet and from their cars, from August 2001 to as far as 2002. I remember hearing cry on adult contemporary radio once, but butterflies last in early 2002. I would hear unbreakable, break of dawn and heaven can wait on digital music channels here, we didn't have an urban station yet, we listened to one near the us border if the reception was good though by then I was hardly turning on the radio [Edited 3/12/13 22:23pm] | |
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It just occured to me how nice it would be to hear the jacksons sing heaven can wait or butterflies on the tour, they could pull it off. | |
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and this is why I say, you're looking at the wrong source......
because if you was looking at the right source, then you would never reach the conclusion of saying for whatever reason...
just as you can't explain why 2300 JACKSON STREET was yanked off of the record shelves and the title track for the song was pulled from the radio never to be heard from again
I was 17 years old when it happen, and witnessed it up close in person and as an audience member listening to radio
and you can say f*** all you want, but that's a disrespect to ever artist who has ever come down the pike before explicit lyrical content became part of music lexicon
that's disrespect to the artist from decades before during the 40s, the 50s, the 60s, and the 70s
and I didn't say the listener, I said the artist, if radio didn't mean anything, then there would be no need for artists to make music at all...
and you can say Marlon's success led to nothing, but that's a position taken w/out realizing or acknowleding all the brothers including Rebbie's careers were sabotaged during the early 90s
we'll never know what the Marlons or Jermaines or Randys could have accomplished in their own right if their careers weren't snatched from them just like 2300 Jackson street was yanked off the shelves like the grim reaper....
let's see if RIAA post a link for that one...
DJ'S didn't make Marlon's album reach #1, it was the very source that has been overlooked during the past 25 years, it was the foundation of people who supported the Jackson Five from day one, the people who knew how key Marlon was behind the scenes, the people who knew Marlon worked with Michael in developing the group's dance routines, particulary when they became "The Jacksons" after leaving Motown
and YRMW was NOT leaked on urban radio......how can a song be "leaked" when urban radio was playing TWO songs from the same album in YRMW and BUTTERFLIES
YRMW was played on urban radio as early as June 2001, and when they played BUTTERFLIES, those listeners who called into the radio station said they preferred that song compared to YRMW...and during that summer, Rodney Jerkins was doing radio interviews on urban radio to promote the release of the album.....
POP Radio stopped playing Michael's music as early as 1996-1997, and that goes for the classic songs as well as the most recent ones up to date
and Michael knew he had to try and regain the audience he had lost back in teh late 80s and the entire scope of the Invincible album was geared to attract the r&b audience, which is why both of those songs were being played constantly on urban radio during that time....
for you see, rather than trying to be the KING OF POP, he was trying to be MICHAEL JACKSON again, which is what he should have continued being all along.....and the world would not be mourning his loss today.....
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@scorp "wrong source"?? Ah, so the website of the institution that's handing out the certifications is the wrong source and the lunatic making up "facts" as he goes along is the right source?? Right! | |
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u just blew up your own argument because the natue of the thread in terms of the handful of responses set the tone of negativity from jump street by imiplying the brothers have been lazy for the past 20 plus years when in fact their careers were sabotaged.....that's the fly on the wall...thats the real problem
and they are still being called lazy even as their are performing show after show...men in their late 50s and 60s...and they are not just doing 2-3 songs, they are doing entire shows.....when they were performing with MIKE during the 2001 MSG concerts, young cats like NSYNC couldn't even keep up with them, they were blowing the dances steps
and the world, the greater public and people who have been given the platform to speak about this situation continues to shell out the grand lie that the brothers were mooching off of Michael when that was never the case, but throughout the duration of this entire pop ascension stretch, the impression has been given that they were...and it aint just fans spewing that stuff anymore, it's commercial radio, some representative of urban radio, and TV journalists on supposed to be news networks brewing this stuff but they don't have one iota as to what really happened...
but by the late 80s, every brother had released their own solo album and based on the music that they shelled out, especially Randy Jackson when he started his group Randy and The Gypsies, an album so thorough, brother Jackie suggested that it sounded better than Janet's landmark Rhythm Nation 1814, we'll NEVER KNOW what their output could have been if their careers werent' snatched from them.....
and I already know u dont beleive 23 JACKSON STREET wasn't pulled from teh shelves on a dime, it wasn't even done in stages, it was yanked definitely and the title track no longer received airplay, everything stopped like the faucet being squeezed tight where you couldn't pray for another drop of water to come out....'
but see, I was at that local record store when it happened, and spoke w/the employee, and when I asked her why she was pulling the album off the rack, she said she got word from her manager to do it but was just as perplexed as I was, because it didn't make any sense, and that was THE ONLY record pulled from the shelve, every single copy, all you saw was the bare display running alongside the rack by the time she finished up
when u say radio isn't important, that refers to the current age, as radio, music, and entertainment have all tanked simultaneously
but that can't be applied to the golden age of music, or the jazz age of of the 40s, or the rock n roll age of the late 40s early 50s where the term rock n roll originally derived from rhythm and blues and rockabilly before commercial radio acclimated it into their programming and changed the form of expression. Try telling Ray Charles that as he became the most successful r&b artists of the 50s, try telling James Brown that.
try telling that to Casey Kasem that, one of the greatest radio personalities who's ever done it
Alan Freed during the 50s was the first disc jockey to openly support the airplay of rock n roll records at the station he worked at, giving expsoure to acts who wouldn't have received support otherwise in terms of sales
try telling Berry Gordy radio doesn't matter when he called up every radio station he could find to promote the Jackson Fives's records as they debuted on the scene, and that effort led to radio stations playing their songs around the clock, resulting as the first act to debut with 4 #1 singles back to back to back to back.........
and YRMW was NOT LEAKED, not on urban radio it wasnt, because Michael and Rodney Jerkins was targeting that audience from jump street in order for Michael to regain his grounding here in America....
where I live, when the summer season started, thats when they first premiered the song on the rotation, then a month later, they started playing butterflies, then it got to the point where they would switch which songs they would play between the two, until YRMW was officially released in August, that was the song they primarily tried to play, but callers were requesting Butterflies. Urban radio was already playing YRMW in June of 01
oh, and if you read what I said about Marlon Jackson, I never said that his album went #1, I said the single "Don't Go" became the number one r&b song in the united states
this is why the Jacksons became known as the first family of music because of the musical output created by so many members of the family....before the entire experience became sullied
during that time, when this stuff mean something, it wasn't about Michael fans vs Janet fans, or Janet fans vs Michael fans, it wasn't about the brothers being lazy or mooching...it was about enjoying what the entire family had to offer...
it was about wow Michael has an album coming out, it's about Janet has an album coming out, it was about Jermaine having an album coming out, it was about Marlon having one coming out, it was about Randy doing his thing, even Jackie released his album in 1989......
in 1989 alone, months after Michael completed his run with BAD, this is what you had...the group album 2300 Jackson street, Jermaine's album Don't Take it Personal, Jackie's album, then Janet's album Rhythm Nation, then Randy's album
all of that musical output happened during the same year within months of each other....
that dont' sound like lazy to me
it was about J5/The Jacksons being the ultimate self contained musical act on stage, but now that reality has been sullied too
this aint about trying to put people on pedastals
as Marlon said in a recent interview over the weekend in Europe
he said the world doesn't consider what that family has had to go thru over the years by being the targeted of pure unadulturated hate for absolutely no legit reason....fans need to consider that for once or put themselves in similar shoes and see how they would feel if their family was spewed on and became the country's pariah and I guarantee you they couldn't handled it
its flat out wrong and that's the bottom line
and if this was happening to any other family besides the Jacksons, going thru the same crap, whether the family is white or black, or any other creed or color, I would say the exact same thing
the madness will stop one day
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where I live, when the summer season started, thats when they first premiered the song on the rotation, then a month later, they started playing butterflies, then it got to the point where they would switch which songs they would play between the two, until YRMW was officially released in August, that was the song they primarily tried to play, but callers were requesting Butterflies. Urban radio was already playing YRMW in June of 01 That, right there shows me that you are deluded. Sick. Totally removed from reality! No Invincible song was available and played anywhere outside of a Sony office, the recording studio or Michael Jackson bedroom before August 17th 2001, when it was prematurely leaked, prompting Sony to demand the radio station to stop playing it. Everything you are talking about is deluded made up shit. Your tale of your local record shop, if true at all, is totally irrelevant and not important. And the period of radio we are talking about is the 80s, 90s 'til now. I'm not and never was talking about the 40s or 50s, where it might have been different.
And for the record. I didn't accuse them of being lazy. I said that they tried, but failed and then gave up.
Really, I'm done with your drivel. Just know (and everyone else) that I disagree with most of the stuff you're saying. [Edited 3/13/13 18:30pm] | |
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that was an honest typo about the album going #1, I was at my library trying to finish up my last post because I had to leave their early........but go back in this discussion or any other discussion about the brothers and whenever I mentioned Marlon's album, I'm referring to the single....
that's why I posted that clip of the interview he did with Arsenio where it mentioned what he achieved with the single Don't Go.....
and I didn't mention u directly in regards to who's suggesting these guys were lazy....I said fans in general......
when taking into consideration what took place in 1989 where everyone in the family had released albums of quality work, I don't see that as a failure at all....and they were sabotaged, but they're not going to go on tv and say that
u can disagree if you want, at the end of that day, most in the family were in position to craft successful careers in their own right, and it was going to happen because the brothers were musically inclined and Rebbie could have been very successful if she had chosen too..the brothers careers were sabotaged by 1992, and Rebbie by 97-98..snuffed out
this family has been around entertainment for practically their entire lifetime, worked w/the best producers on the planet, and learned how to play instruments on their own, the very definition of self contained....they would have had success well into the 90s
for all the hell commercial media and fandom have put them thru, they deserve this moment w/this tour
and what I mentioned about that record shop is more than revelant, because it happened, and it just so happened I saw that go down w/my own 2 eyes, then radio drop 2300 JACKSON STREET no sooner than you can sneeze
and 2300 JACKSON STREET was an important mark because the family released that album to celebrate their 25th anniversary as performing professionally
and as far as when u talking about radio, I know you're talking about the last 20 years because real radio was phased out over 2 generations ago.....I'm talking about real radio....
and as for as the "leak".....I was doing the countdown to when Invincible was going to be released one 2001 arrived, so I was keeping up because the album was supposed to had been released back towards the end of 1999
as a matter of fact, come to think of it, JAY Z'S single IZZO was released the same time YRMW was released, and remember clearly how DJ'S in my hometown were saying how 2001 must be a summer revival of Michael's music after listening to IZZO as well as Ginuwine's song DIFFERENCES, which came out just weeks before....DJs were saying how IZZO'S sample of I WANT YOU BACK and Ginuwine's song reminded them of Michael's signature style of melody after they had been listening to YRMW for months prior, which takes that back to the month of JUNE.....
oh yesssssssss, oh yesss......thank god for RAM (random access memory).....
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i will never understand how mj fans criticize the brothers for touring now claiming they should have done it years ago,yet they get upset about the brothers trying to get mike to tour when he was here. i mean its not like mj was the leader and sang lead on ALL the songs, of course they needed him in order to tour. they are able to tour now without him because he's not here, so its not like anybody can say anything about them performing without mj. um scorp i agree with some of the stuff you post but aint no way marlon's album went double platinum,i doubt it went gold. i think jermaine's debut album on arista did go platinum. | |
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You still at this conspiracy crap again?
Jermaine was very successful during the early 80s and due to poor single choices and music decisions on his part HIS chart success eventually declined. Babyface produced and wrote his ENTIRE album thats bullshit and if you want to continue to feed into lies so be it.
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@scorp give it up man, stop with the damn conspiracy theories and give some real proof/facts if you seriously believe what you say. For your information MJ never sabotaged his siblings careers, they were lazy and had problems and jealousy problems with one another. Particularly jermaine and Jackie had problems with each other when trying to record some new material in the 90s. MJ even agreed and recorded 2 songs for a Jackson's album due in 1995/1996 ( I had personal letters of this between MJ and jermaine, but I've lost them since my other computer got a virus...) reality is that the brothers had other problems than just recording. We all know you Stan for the Jackson siblings but MJ was not the bad guy here and the fans will defend him whether you like it or not. When the power of love overcomes the love of power,the world will know peace -Jimi Hendrix | |
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aww okay, so if a guy witnessed a particular album, all copies of it yanked off the record shelves, that's incredulous, that's bogus
but we should give credence for personal letters....aww, so its like that...
nobody who has responding to what I mentioned has no explanation why 2300 jackson street was yanked from the shelves, not just at my local record store, but throughout the land, as well as the song along with "Nuthin Compares to U" was no longer receiving airplay either.....
nobody has the initiative to explain that one but choose to cast that away
screw what I saw, but its cool and acceptable for a litany of MJ fans to say they were lazy...
but from what I recall, these were the same 4 guys (then Randy came on board later) who performed side by side with Michael from 1969 up until the Victory Tour....that's 15 years.....that's not even counting the years from 1964-1968 when they were trying to break through....they rehearsed day after day right there w/Michael.....
Jermaine and Tito played Electric and Bass guitar while performing the dance steps at the same time, and singing too....but they are lazy....
they co-wrote some of the most memorable songs by the group, but they are lazy...
I guess Randy was lazy when worked w/Michael in developing rhythm arrangements for a number of those hit songs from OFF THE WALL..
I guess Randy was lazy when he was the leading writer or arguably the best track the Jacksons ever did with SHAKE YOUR BODY DOWN TO THE GROUND
and co-wrote/main writer for one of MIKE'S best songs in THAT'S WHAT YOU GET FOR BEING POLITE...u remember that one don't you....
I guess Jackie was lazy when he co-wrote the Jackson's staple song CAN YOU FEEL IT
or when Randy and Jackie co-wrote WALK RIGHT NOW with Michael
I guess Jermaine was lazy when he functioned as the leading record executive at Motown Records back in the late 70s, when he pushed forward great musical acts such as SWITCH, who crafted some of the most memorable r&b tracks of all time.....composing and producing music for them in the process, for if it wasn't for Switch, then it wouldn't have been a Debarge, whose music gets sampled time an time again
I won't even touch on how he helped Whitney Houston prominence to solo superstardom at the begining of her career
or how about when Jermaine was one of the first r&b acts to merge with Rock as he and the rock band DEVO crafted LET ME TICKLE YOUR FANCY back in 1982, a record that could be viewed a first of its kind, a fusion of music that inspired his brother, Michael Jackson to venture a similar path as he called on EDDIE VAN HALEN to play guitar on the classic BEAT IT, which came out a year after Let Me Tickle Your Fancy did
or the countless interviews Jermaine use to give explaining how the music industry was changing for the worse and how REAL STANS AND STOOGES attempted to infiltrate the family dynamic and exploit the talent of the family's most successful member, as he was saying this as early as 1984, and especially in 1986, and they did it with grand fashion, drawing him out and commenced to destroying him
I guess Jackie was lazy too during the time when he was the brother who made sure everyone was in tip top shape as they performed their tours, including the DESTINY TOUR and especially the TRIUMPH TOUR, which is the best tour Michael Jackson ever did
that's why even after he broke his leg before the Victory Tour started, the brothers was still trying to get him to participate
Making sure everyone was cut and chiseled, for arguably, he made the greatest sacrifice of them all as he was a grown man but agreed to perform w/his family when the rest of the brothers were teenagers....
and he was lazy when he wrote TORTURE for the Victory album.....
I guess Marlon was lazy too during the years where he and Michael worked together in developing many of the dance routines for the group during the late 70s, and especially during the triumph tour
or when Marlon was producing tracks for some of Janet's early work
or when he was one of the brothers who helped come up w/the stage prop with the lighting of the torch that u see Michael do in his solo tours
I guess Tito was lazy too, as he was the one to kick it all off as he starting playing his father's guitar when he was told not too, if it wasn't for his inquisitive instinct, then ain't nobody talkin about any of this for it's highly probably J-5 never happens and we can all get back to our regularly scheduled programming. As Tito played a huge role in making sure the group maintained their self containment
for the whole is greater than the sum of its parts
oh and let me not forget, the brothers together came up with the PEACOCK SYMBOL that was featured on the back of their album covers, which was a beautiful sight, but now that means nothing as it has been sullied, it's a footnote in history now
there's my proof, there's my belief right there on the silver platter, hook line and sinker
but with all of that good will, they woke up one morning when the 1990s began and decided to lay on the couch all day, opened up a cold one, and say, "We're gonna be the laziest sums of b***ches the world has ever seen".....and mailed it in right then and there......
I'm not buying that for one second....now u tell me what is there to defend......
I aint taking sides, I'm looking at what could have been instead of what became, and that's the tragedy out of all of this
and before I shut it down today
this is something I just read by a fellow music follower who grew up as a teenager during the mid 80s who saw the exact same thing I saw.......and god is my witness......I didn't make up these words...this is why I don't have to lie about nothing...this is in response to a current MJ fan stating that Jermaine as a failure
I don't call five TMP awards and four Mobo awards a failure! To say Jermaine failed is to diss R&B music! That's where he made his money! That is where he had his fans! We were the ones who saw his albums suddenly disapear from the shelves. We were the ones who refused to read Billboard Magazine because they refused to correctly state the number of R&B albums sold! We were the ones who ended up purchasing his albums from Japan@ We were the ones who kept our record stores open! I think the failure was with the Pop music fans who tried to shut us down with Rap and nonsense during the 89's 90's and now!
see, I aint gotta lie....the problem is this and this is why I say I know for a fact MARLON JACKSON sold double platinum in 1987
the problem is that the pop ascension movement never ever considered or respected the black audience of real r&b, and the albums that we bought during the time in supporting those r&b artists, the genuine r&b artists were never counted or acknowledged by BILLBOARD...
how u like them apples....
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I agree with Scorp on some issues, but on some others you're out of your mind, haha.
There is no way Marlon's Baby Tonight record went double platinum. An album who's peak position was 175 and has been out of print since 1988, did not go double platinum. There is no possible way.
Here is something to think about, Triumph peaked at number 10 on the pop charts and topped the R&B side and went double platinum ...
Now, I agree with you that the brothers are not lazy, not by a long shot (maybe Randy, he's gotten Charles Barkley-ish the past decade or so, lol.)
The brothers are cursed with being a Jackson. I don't think one day they just said "hey, I don't want to do this anymore" they just were not given those opportunities. But it was not Michael's doing, not one bit. From 87, through 89, the Jacksons oversaturated the market. Everyone in the family not named Tito released a solo record in the span on 2 years.
Marlon and Michael in 87 Rebbie and LaToya in 88 Jackie, Jermaine, Randy, Janet and a Jacksons record in 89.
I think 89 really did it, you have 5 Jacksons all competing against each other and Janet came out the winner. The records with the four brothers really messed them up and they never recovered. Jackie and Randy never got another shot, because they both flopped big time. Jermaine didn't sell well, but he has history as a recording artist, so it didn't really hurt him ... until 2 years later.
Had Randy or Jackie released a solo record in say 1985 (a year where no Jacksons records were on shelves) then they may had had something.
So, in closing the brothers did not just give up, they never got an opportunity again. They are not lazy, it was just impossible to tour and record as a group with Mike still alive on top on the recording world and not with them. PRINCE: Always and Forever
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Scorp contiues withhis lies and bullshit. Sadly, he has family and friendsthat probably don't question his crap that he spews and believe him. I, you and many other Michael fans have called Scorp out on his bullshit and he will go into "hiding' and come back again with the same old crap. | |
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sadly, everything u just said was 100% wrong, because your comments are fueled by hate and you hinge your words on probables, that's why u keep setting yourself up for the okie doke. just like a couple of months ago, you tried to gain browing points by trying to refer to someone as an uncle tom, not having one iota of a smidget that I knew who the REAL UNCLE TOM was, and how the name of the real uncle tom has been sullied for over 150 years and the actions the real individual has been pushed aside by educators and historians
1.) I dont discuss this issue on a whim in my day to day life
2.) even if I didn't even exist, conversations about the circumstances surrounding this entertainer would have still been taking place over the past 25 years the way it has
3.) u wasted time typing your latest round of squibble by using the response of another poster quoting something I said by mistake to try and prove your point. as I explained to that other person, I mistakedly typed the word album instead of single because I was in a rush
4.) the fact of the matter is that BILLBOARD purposely chose not to accurately depict sales numbers of artists who presented genuine r&b during the late 80s as the industry was in the process of bringing forth the pop ascension movement, which has totally destroyed real cultural expression during the period of the last quarter century, as the industry disregarded culture in order to exploit the talent of many of the premier talents of the 80s that culture set the foundation for. the voices of those who represented that audience were shunned but their words are beginning to be heard
5.) when u really get down to it, this is bigger than one individual entertainer or the family of an entertainer, this is about an entire cultural expression being wiped out....that's why our music sounds the same today, where there is no distinction, no ingenuity, because we no longer have a culture at this particular time..we think we do but we dont. and its going to get worse
6.) for the life of me, I can't understand why so many who are sure on their position have to use profanity as if there is no other way to talk.....that don't compute with me.
7.) last but not least, there is no one individual who should be viewed as the enemy for the real enemy is the lie itself. | |
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I never said they were lazy in the start of their career nor in the 80s... I'm talking post 80s and everything they did after that period. You don't even mention the jealousy that exists among the brothers espcially between Jackie and Jermaine for instance. You can make MJ the bad guy here, but lets face it , you don't have facts to back it up. If MJ would have been after his siblings, how come he didn't go after Janet? Whatever though, your mind is made up and you feel the Jacksons were boycotted by their succesful brother. Also another thing about the J5, were would they be without MJ? Had MJ not sung lead in the J5, you honestly believe they would have been signed to Motown? or do you not think their fate would have been the same as the Falcons and Joe Jackson? MJ had the most talent out of those brothers, yes Marlon worked hard at becoming a better dancer and MJ and him worked together for their routines in the Jacksons days, Randy being the most talented instrumentalist, worked greatly with MJs pure talent and songwriting skills and did beautiful songs together, Jermaine was a talented bassist and songwriter on his own right but not a single of those brothers had the combined talent MJ had, they will even admit this. Jackie has been saying this from day one and I'd rather listen to him than you. When the power of love overcomes the love of power,the world will know peace -Jimi Hendrix | |
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Saw "The Jacksons" in Perth yesterday. There were absolutely no signs of dormancy despite a 30 year break. They put on a great show and had good chemistry on stage. Jermaine impressed with his vocals on "Gone too soon" particularly. Marlon was dancing all over the stage like he was 20 years younger
I noticed that they seemed to be a lot more comfortable on stage now than they were during the 30th anniversary concert. Michael's absence has allowed them to be a lot more expressive and i think they reveled in the chance to be more prominent on the stage. [Edited 3/15/13 12:21pm] | |
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It's sad that scorp has spent his life manipulating the truth. He comes here and spews lies and has NO FACTS for anything that he says. When he is called out on his manipulations,lies, he goes into hiding or compeletely ignores when someone points out his lies. It's even sadder that he blames Michael for the careers of his brothers, and basically the state of music. How sick is that? It truly sounds as if scorp has a PERSONAL investment in his rants and raves about Michael. The bottomline is that it is NOT normal.
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at least you didn't use profanity to get your point across this time
I aint hiding from nothing, all somebody has to do is submit a personal email and that email will be responded to as soon as time allows...
u know who's really been maninpulating..the entire pop ascension movement for the past quarter century as it has destroyed the real presentation of an entire cultural expression
this was a movement predicated on extremes and false sense of entitlement, and it divided people too, as that was the only way it could exist and function
oh yes, the audience who was shunned from the equation, well, they are speaking out online now and in waves, and I grew up during that period, I was shunned out too
and now the truth is coming about about the shady mechanisms of BILLBOARD during the late 80s as they intentionally depicted r&b albums sales inaccurately...as a matter of fact, they weren't even incorporating the sales taking place at black record stores during that time, they weren't even counting them, to undermine the audience, to convince those premier artists the r&b audience was no longer viable, in order to bring forth the pop ascension movement, in order to extract the talent of the premier artists during the years when this stuff meant something, when the well overflowed, and drew them away from the virtue.....
and now everything has went belly up, and you can see this freight train gaining momentum during the 90s but what saved the industry from crashing was the access to sampling the very music by the artists (real singers, musicians, instrumentalists) who the industry phased out before the 90s hit, now just about everything under the sun has been sampled on some form or fashion, and now, the samples are being sampled, and 10 years down the line, the samples of the samples will be sampled
it took Michael Jackson, the greatest entertainer on the planet, and reduced him to a former shell of himself, and after they did it, they left him out to dry, left him to fend for himself after it used him up, squeezed every ounce of talent he had, like blood being squeezed from a turnip, for that's what he alluded to in his song STRANGER IN MOSCOW when he said "here abandoned in my fame, armageddon of the brain, KGB be stalking me, just take my name and just let me be"..
for at that moment of his career, he acknowledged that he regretted gaining the "king of pop" distinction, for STRANGER IN MOSCOW was his own personal brand of manifesto
and as Michael realized he was shunned by the establishment during the mid to late 90s as pop radio stations no longer played his records here in the united states, then he knew he had to try and regain the audience that was shunned out a decade before, and that's what he attempted to do with the album INVINCIBLE
he clearly indicated the state of affairs in the song SCREAM when he said
"yall keep changing the rules, I KEEP PLAYING THE GAME, I can't take it much longer, I think I may go insane".....
and now the very thing he pleaded for them to do, now it's official, the establishment owns his name from here on out.....
like I said previously, this is bigger than one single entertainer, or the family of an entertainer, this is about an entire culture being eviscerated and what's mindboggling, more people can't see it, but they will one day, and when it hits thems, its going to hit them like a rock, for that's how the real enemy operates,
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I agree with a lot of what you're saying about the music industry...and michael knew what was up once he bought that catalogue.
And by not playing his records in the 90's, do you mean newer material or older music from Bad and before also? Radio still played his older music here in the 90's and 00's often though it's double that now, and we get some US stations too, just the stuff after YANA was not played but began again with YRMW briefly, with Butterflies and Cry once in a blue moon around the time of their releases. | |
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