I havent' seen the whole documentary, but I must say that it didn't start off well. It seems so fabricated and while I do understand that Beyonce isnt a very good speaker (she used to be more open and interesting some years back) and she's also extremly shy and you can tell by her body language, that she's still insecure, this documentary dont' seem to showcase anything interesting. She seems to be a nice person, but it'd be interesting to see something more creative and a side that we don't already know about. She should have left someone else do a documentary on her and I think that would have been more interesting. It's interesting how she seemed so off during that interview with Oprah (UGH,this woman gets on my damn nerves... ) and looking back at the interviews with Oprah some years back, Beyonce seemed more confident and less fabricated. When the power of love overcomes the love of power,the world will know peace -Jimi Hendrix | |
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I watched it over the weekend. Here my thoughts:
1) She can really sing
2) She could dance her butt off. It takes talent and hard work to do the shows she does and i admire her for that.
3) Her baby is really cute.
4) I did not find anything fascinating about her. The fabricated drama: her going to a rehearsal studio they almost could not get into, two days before the show, her being stressed over the editing of a graphics for a show, her scolding her staff. Its like that happens all the time so what's so unique about that??
5) Her strange mention of her nephew and his father? I was like what about solange?
6) Her talk about her journey with her miscarrage and her baby. ok maybe that was touching.
7) other than her talking about wanting to bring R&B back and be different, not much on the production-creative process of her songs, not many scenes in the studio (other than her singing) working with producers, writers, musicians.
Other than that I did not find myself fascinated with her or caring anymore about her. I know she's successful and talented but idk.
To be honest, I find a documentary on her parents would be more interesting. How her father managed to pull a group together and continue to work them up to success despite the constant member changes and stuff, the music behind Destiny's Child and how they were groomed and her Mom's part in it too. That to me is more interesting than what I saw.
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This isn't an observation it's a freaking dissertation. | |
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This pretty much where I am and what I got out of it.
She works hard. She is very much connected to and loves her husband. She's over the moon with joy now that she's a mom (and especially after having the miscarriage)... I thought it telling that she refers to the miscarriage as her "first child". She sings well, dances well, is an excellent technician, and...that's about it. Oh, and she lacks confidence when she speaks to an interviewer when she discusses anything other than her work or projects---that shaky, unsure voice got on my nerves a little. At this stage of the game she has been blessed in so many areas of life, she should be able to own every single inch of it, even if it's not connected to her music and creative aspirations. But, oh well.
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From what she shows of herself, it seems to me that she REALLY wants people to think that she is more important than she is. When she rubbed her belly on stage at the VMA's, I was just like "Whatever. You're not the first pregnant woman in history and you won't be the last, and what the fuck is you having a baby have to with me, and why should I give a fuck?"...etc... And it's really REALLY looking like she didn't go through that pregnancy. She was doing all kinds of unholy hip pinwheeling on stage, no bump, and then you pop up with a baby? And I don't even know if I should believe her having a miscarriage. I don't give a fuck. When people put themselves out there and try to make you have smpathy for them, then it's kinda hard to. | |
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i watched it on youtube and what i took from this i feel sorry 4 her she wants 2 be a artist of stubstance like erykah badu or jill scott but she lacks intelliect.beyonce is very self centered and thinks like a teen ager i gather she hasnt been exposed 2 many people who are objective and speak freely 2 her at all. im not convinced she carried this baby at all and if she didnt it doesnt make her less of a mother.i lost alot of love 4 the whole beyonce kick when they kicked letoya and latavia out of destiny child | |
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"Music gives a soul to the universe, wings to the mind, flight to the imagination and life to everything." --Plato
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Which is why I am baffled by some here insisting that she is likable when she comes off very conceited/fake
I dont see how you can like somebody that is phooney and contrived. What is there to like if the person you see is not their true self and its just bullshit surface? Anybody can put on a goodie two shoes front which is what most people do anyway. I think thats naive of people to take that as real but okay It was also messed up how she and her father kicked La Tavia, Le Toya out the group.
The only reason why Matthew did that was because La Tavia, Le Toya wanted to fire him because they found out he was squandering their money and giving it to Solange. And it was this big ordeal where they were not speaking to Matthew and Beyonce ignored them as well. La Tavia talked all about it on "Broken Dreams" some show a couple years ago.
B is not perfect although in HER mind she thinks she is.
Also,
I think some of these comments insisting Beyonce is insecure are funny as well.
Somebody who is insecure is not going to dress half naked, vulgar, make a documentary of themselves, call themself a queen, be vain and make conceited comments.
One more question: Some comments insisting she is a dance powerhouse. I am just trying to figure out how is weave tossin and booty shaking equilavent to being a dancing powerhouse
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I don't think her inability to speak well is due to insecurity or a lack of confidence either; She is conceited in almost all ways. I think she's simply lacks communication skills. I don't think she's as shy as she pretends to be either.
I think I'm the only one who used the term "dancing powerhouse." Hell, it's hard work shaking her weave and ass! But really, she dances non stop with the fervor that would exhaust others and she still manages to scream and croak out lyrics during that time so it does take power and energy. You can't take that away from her. | |
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I am not taking anything away from her I just asked a simple question because booty clapping is not the same as dancing. Its nothing impressive about what she does in that respect. Girls at the club, strippers, HBCU band dancers do what she does and some do it better and do it longer like 5 hours straight Its nothing to tossin your weave and shaking your rump, hell I do it sometimes of course just to have fun and to party
Until Beyonce does intricate/complicated choregraphy like what Janet, MJ, Ciara, Paula Abdul does while SINGING at the same time I might be somewhat impressed but until then
I dont consider doing the booty call and shaking your weave as spetacular dancing.
Talented singer, yes but she is not a talented dancer, shes very mediocre/stiff and lacks athleticism/precision in that department.
She also does not sing live more than what people give her credit for while she does her routines. And I honestly wouldnt be surprised if she did sing while doing it sometimes because her movements are not complicated or intricated where she would have to mime all the time (although she does, alot).
I just thought some peoples comments on her being a "good dancer"was bs .....Dancing is what Ciara does (not a fan by the way) and yes she is excellent at it.
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Basically Beyonce is just in really good shape lol.
Her dance moves, even her choreo isn't that great. Her Superbowl Performance was really my first seeing a "Beyonce Show" because I don't watch Award Shows and I hadn't seen any of her live performances.
She's boring. A pretty girl, but boring.
But Blue Ivy is cutest little thing. She has Beyonce's eyes and Jay's lips and nose. I an also see some of mama Tina. [Edited 2/19/13 21:08pm] | |
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Her dancing for the most part is strutting across the stage, booty popping, gyrating, striking a fierce pose, and weave tossing. Every now in then she might throw in an actual dance step or two. But for the most part it's strut, gyrate, booty-pop, weave toss, gyrate, booty, strut, strike a fierce pose (w/a fierce facial expression), repeat. MJ L.O.V.E: https://www.facebook.com/...689&type=2 / YOUTUBE: http://www.youtube.com/us...nderSilent | |
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I love her dancing, it makes my jaw drop sometimes. If that's booty popping and weave tossing, I wish more girls did it like that. (Don't care if the moves are stolen) I love her music, and her lyrics make me smile. (Don't care who wrote them) There's TLC levels of attitude going on. It's just fun. Thats enough for me. But wild horses could not drag me to watch this documentary. I would rather stick a needle in my eye, than watch this film. People shouldn't take everything so seriously. Beyonce, especially, should stop taking everything so seriously. | |
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I was the person who made the comment about Bey being insecure based on her body language. She doesn't seem confident at all, she is probably confident on stage because that's how she has been valued since childhood but as far as her personality goes, I still think she's insecure and it shows clearly. Just because you can booty shake and dance in lingerie and things doesn't make you confident, to the contrary many women who dress "half naked" aren't confident at all... Same with girls who wear too much makeup, they make you believe they have confidence because they "look pretty" but if you felt that way you wouldnt hide away all your imperfections and insecurities with makeup.. I finally saw it and the documentary was alright and the best part was seeing little Blue. (Also, I wonder why Michael Jackson didn't do this type of documentary. He loved filming and doing videos, but I wonder why it never occurred to him to direct a film about himself. I know the private home videos are similar but more of a commentary to the Martin bashir documentary. ) When the power of love overcomes the love of power,the world will know peace -Jimi Hendrix | |
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we all gotta rea;ize 2 the youth of now what beyonce does is the best dancing they ever witnessed b/c thats all kids do now is booty pop,grind and basically fuck on the dancefloor. kids today knows nothing about dancing. i can say this i have lost a lot of love and respect 4 oprah seeing how she gushed and lied 2 beyonce.i use 2 think oprah had intelligience and knew fine art when she saw it but seeing how she marveled over beyonce proved that money talks with miss o and thing else even matters | |
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"Music gives a soul to the universe, wings to the mind, flight to the imagination and life to everything." --Plato
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Beyonce comes across as "insecure" because she tries to appear to be perfect ALL THE TIME. The shakyness in her voice and slow talking comes from overthinking what she is saying while she is speaking. The need for "perfection" aka the appearence of the "dream life" which is why she controlled all aspects of the documentary. Her Virgo qualites really do shine here (the need for perfection and control).
As insecure and uneducated as she comes across; I must say that she is not all that stupid. She knows what she wants business wise, and even though this calculated comeback may shoot her in the foot because of all the overexposure-- IT"S WORKING. People that love her are talking, people that hate her are talking. Just look at all the threads made on the org that recieve love/hate about her. She got HBO to show her Doc for 24hrs straight. That's power right there. You can't deny that after she's dropped her father she's been going strong.
The overly calulated narcissistic doc filmed, witten, and edited by Beyonce' was her brainchild. Stretegically, placed after the Inaguration, after the Superbowl, and after the Oprah interview. Beyonce' comback 2013 has got people who care, don't care, or indifferent taking notice. She's got your attention.
And for that, she's not all that stupid. Thank You San Alejo for getting rid of my enemies. :-0
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^^^This^^^ I always had a love/hate relationship with Beyonce but I slightly disappointed with this documentary. Did we learn anything new about her besides how heartbroken she was about her miscarriage. I guess the objective of this doc. was to appear more relatable humble and just human. I think it would've been more appropiate if this doc came out six months from now. I would've love to see her preparation for the Superbowl performance and the inaugaration (we all know now she didnt rehearse with the band). The concert footage from two years ago I wasnt feeling we seen it before. Some say she's a modern day Michael Jackson for this generation Yeah ok .. You can see MJ's influence from her 'End of Time' performance.
The only highlight from the doc was showing Blue Ivy's face finally yes she is adorable.
I wish she showed more interactions with her creative team. (dancers, producers, stylists) Who is second in command when it comes to her business affairs. I'm not talking about her general manager but who she trust implicitly when something goes wrong to take care of. Who besides her husband or mother is part of her personal life?
Maybe I'm asking for too much but I expected more very self-indulgent. Yes I do believe she gave birth. She should've took a pic of herself at 9 months baring her belly that would've been more convincing..
The Oprah interview was garbage nothing but softball questions was thrown at her most likely pre-approved. Please Beyonce improve on your communication skills it was painful to see Oprah answering her questons for you. Some people really deserve to be seen but not heard. | |
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Michael Jackson did do one and it was his Home Videos and the Martin Bashir doc that Martin exploited and manipulated (MJ clearly was not in no control with the doc). Although the Martin Bashir one backfired we got to see MJs imperfections, him being himself and it was nothing narcistic about the doc. Also, in the home movies, those were old footages even from the 60s, 70s that he showed which showcased a more "human side of him". He showed interactions with his family, colleagues, people that worked with him and his children. He did not show a bunch of pre-recorded (controlled) clips simply for the show.
Like lyecry stated, she is not so "innocent" as she likes to portray. I think she purposely puts on that act to hide her real self and I also think it may appear that way because she lacks communication skills. I take what Beyonce portrays as "face value" because she is not a "sincere/real" celebrity to me. Also she is very conceited and isnt scared to say it or show it. Someone who is like that is not going to be insecure. Like for certain celebs... you can tell thats just who they are because they dont front about it, MJ, Madonna etc which was why they were so heavily bashed because they WERE THEMSELVES and didnt care what people thought, ya know?
Beyonce is fake and what she portrays is not herself so its hard for me to label her as insecure or as something when she doesnt show her true self.
@ Lyecry... people have ALWAYS made a bunch of Beyonce threads even before her 2013 comeback here . There is a weird obsession with her here on the org. I wouldnt say she has gotten peoples attention per say based on the 2013 threads... because orgers have always done that even before 2013 but Orgers make a bunch of irrelevant threads like Rihanna, CB, etc and so forth. I still have not watched the documentary and dont plan on watching
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Sorry MJsCarousal Unfortunately, Brand Beyonce is still big business.....
http://www.hollywoodrepor...als-422398
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Its all good sugar
Spike Lee's documentary did not run for 24 hours and it did not run on two channels (or was heavily promoted) and it pulled in 1.7 viewers in a specific time slot which is more impressive than a doc that pulled in 1.8. viewers out of a 24 hours time slot on two channels . Naturally anything that runs for 24 hours is going to pull in more because thats the only thing being broadcasted on the channel and especially if its on two channels. I dont think it would have pulled in that much if it had not ran for 24 hours on two different channels, Im pretty sure of that
Like when BET played Roots over the holidays for 24 hours which pulled in alot more ratings.
I would have been more impressed if her SB halftime viewership was stellar but it was one of the lowest halftime viewerships (that demonstrates big business not a doc that runs for 24 hours on two channels)
Still not impressed, still not moved and still bored. Maybe because Im use to Michael Jackson type numbers/ratings
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I. AM. FUCKING. SICK. OF. HER.
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You're hilarious. I'm quite certain none of the above is accurate.
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I know who, a little birdie told me that it's.....
Vanity...6!!! [Edited 2/20/13 10:03am] | |
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Dont you think you actually need evidence to believe its not accurate?
If you think its not accurate why dont you find information to refute it instead of insisting Im certain its not accurate
Spike Lees didnt run for 24 hours on two different channels and Beyonces ratings for halftime was made public soon after it broadcasted. She lost 5 million of her viewers and it was much lower than Madonnas. You can find this information anywhere if you go in the SB thread you can see the news publications. | |
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Lord knows I hate to be the one to defend the facts but The Hollywood Reporter article didn't say that the doc generated 1.8 Mil over 24 hrs....
"HBO's intimate documentary about the singer, Beyonce: Life Is but a Dream, pulled 1.8 million viewers during its inaugural outing at 9 p.m. ET."
By the way, I'm not trying to impress you. Just sharing the actual numbers from the first airing.
The reason why I mentioned she's still big business is because most major corporations or "brands" will see these numbers, (3.1 million) total viewers combining the Oprah interview and the HBO special and conclude that she's still marketable. | |
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Okay, I'll bite......Really? Who? | |
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Don't encourage him
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Thanks for correction!..... still not impressed though .
Like lastdecember stated she is a media star... her album tanked, her SB viewership was really low. She might still be marketable but she is not a popular (music star) which is more important since that is what she is famous for. Shes a brand, shes has a backing and a good marketing squad.... so those numbers are not that surprising (since she has all those things to market herself with)and those are not extra steller numbers... The Oprah interview is not her highest rated interview on her failing network
Once again Im use to MJ numbers like TWO DIGIT numbers so it takes ALOT to impress me
but it all seriousness, thanks though
@ baited comment...PLEASE DONT FEED INTO THE BAIT, just ignore it like I did or else watch this thread be derailed
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