Identity said:

MadamGoodnight said:

& Angela Bofill.

He devoted only 2 pages to Phyllis and Angela (pages 256-257). He described Phyllis as strikingly attractive with a big, expressive voice. He wrote she was never happy with the 4 Top 20 albums she recorded on Buddha and neither was he.

So basically Angela was the footnote and Phyllis got a conservative amount of couple of pages dedicated to her lol

Identity said:

Shard said: thanks So I guess that means he glossed over any problems he had with Phyllis, except that they weren't happy with the songs they recorded together What did he say about Angela?

Even less.

not a shocker and thanks again for looking it up. I hate to be a pest, but did you see if Clive talked about what was most likely the craziest moment of his career, when TLC stormed into a meeting he was having and briefly held him hostage with a gun as they demanded more of the profit from their CrazySexyCool album? Puffy ratted them out to the cops, if I remember correctly.

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Sorry, I only looked through the book a few minutes. I can tell you he had a lot of good things to say about Ray Parker, Jr, Gamble & Huff and MJ.

Identity said:

MadamGoodnight said:

& Angela Bofill.

He devoted only 2 pages to Phyllis and Angela (pages 256-257). He described Phyllis as strikingly attractive with a big, expressive voice. He wrote she was never happy with the 4 Top 20 albums she recorded on Buddha and neither was he.

Thanks for posting this information Identity

RnBAmbassador said:

Timmy84 said:

Identity said:

He devoted only 2 pages to Phyllis and Angela (pages 256-257). He described Phyllis as strikingly attractive with a big, expressive voice. He wrote she was never happy with the 4 Top 20 albums she recorded on Buddha and neither was he.

So basically Angela was the footnote and Phyllis got a conservative amount of couple of pages dedicated to her lol

Did he mention Gil Scott-Heron, the first artist he signed on Arista?

^ Forgot about him. You're right. He was among Arista's first-ever artists...

SoulAlive said:

Stymie said:

I'm laughing because it's a rumor. One perpetrated here for years without proof.

It was Wendy Williams who started the Puffy-is-gay rumor,back in the 90s when she had a radio show in New York.She implied that Puffy and Mase were "involved" with each other,which is the reason why Mase suddenly quit his career to become religious.It makes for interesting gossip,but I don't think that any of it is true She also made similiar claims about Missy Elliott and others.

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Isnt Missy Elliot gay though? lol...

robertlove said:

kitbradley said:

I'm glad he came out. It was very brave of him. At his age, he really didn't have to. He could have taken it to his grave. I bet he feels a lot better now that's it's not some big secret. When you tell the truth, it's very healing and cleanses your soul. Its good for younger people who are afraid to come out to see another respected man come out, who doesn't look like one of the characters from Rupaul's Drag race.

No it's not!!!

the guy is 80 and now he has dicided to come out?

So what's his message? Keep it secret for as long as you can?

This always makes me so angry. there is nothing brave about comming out of the closet at 80. He could have done that years ago, than it would be a positive message.

All those people keeping it a secret for years, what's the fucking deal about it?

I still think he's brave. True he's using it to sell books and probably not many people are going to care about an 80 year old man saying he's bisexual. He will probably still be treated the same by most because of who he is. But, there are thousands, if not millions, of 80 year old men who took their sexuality to the grave in fear of being ostrosized by their family and friends.

kitbradley said:

TonyVanDam said:

I really don't think this cover suggest any sexual connotation. If this were two women in the exact same pose, or much worse, people wouldn't question or think twice about it.

I am not so sure. Many men like to handle their junk in public, but you don't often see that when they also have a bigger man with an arm around them from behind while pulling up to the bumper like that. The pose in that photograph could well be an expression of some subliminal desires they were not even aware of - yet. The mask is just the nastybeautifulsmoking cherry on top for some of us. "How'd you get all that in them jeans?"

kitbradley said:

robertlove said:

No it's not!!!

the guy is 80 and now he has dicided to come out?

So what's his message? Keep it secret for as long as you can?

This always makes me so angry. there is nothing brave about comming out of the closet at 80. He could have done that years ago, than it would be a positive message.

All those people keeping it a secret for years, what's the fucking deal about it?

I still think he's brave. True he's using it to sell books

No he isn't. The media picked up on it and are running with it. Im sure he just wrote his bio and wanted to tell all.

rdhull said:

kitbradley said:

I still think he's brave. True he's using it to sell books

No he isn't. The media picked up on it and are running with it. Im sure he just wrote his bio and wanted to tell all.

that's how i feel

HuMpThAnG said:

Timmy84 said:

So basically Angela was the footnote and Phyllis got a conservative amount of couple of pages dedicated to her lol

Did he mention Gil Scott-Heron, the first artist he signed on Arista?

Yes, he wrote at length about Gil Scott. I haven't yet bought it , but Davis tells his life story with meticulous detail. It's 600 plus pages long.

Identity said:

Sorry, I only looked through the book a few minutes. I can tell you he had a lot of good things to say about Ray Parker, Jr, Gamble & Huff and MJ.

Good I might have to get it.

Identity said:

Sorry, I only looked through the book a few minutes. I can tell you he had a lot of good things to say about Ray Parker, Jr, Gamble & Huff and MJ.

What pages were you reading? Because Clive implied that MJ tried to sabotage Jermaines career His book is bullshit and like everyone has said he is just trying to make a dollar.

mjscarousal said:

Identity said:

Sorry, I only looked through the book a few minutes. I can tell you he had a lot of good things to say about Ray Parker, Jr, Gamble & Huff and MJ.

What pages were you reading? Because Clive implied that MJ tried to sabotage Jermaines career His book is bullshit and like everyone has said he is just trying to make a dollar.

lol..she ^^^^ doesnt like it because MJ isnt painted in an angelic light

Lol! I had a different interpretation. I actually like the book. I can't recommend it highly enough.

mjscarousal said:

Identity said:

Sorry, I only looked through the book a few minutes. I can tell you he had a lot of good things to say about Ray Parker, Jr, Gamble & Huff and MJ.

What pages were you reading? Because Clive implied that MJ tried to sabotage Jermaines career His book is bullshit and like everyone has said he is just trying to make a dollar.

Was this after Word to The Badd? Hell, I might do the same thing if Jermaine wrote some BS about me. Jermaine wrote a dis record about his own brother. Not surprising because Jermaine has kids by another brother's woman, (but that's for another topic).

rdhull said:

mjscarousal said:

What pages were you reading? Because Clive implied that MJ tried to sabotage Jermaines career His book is bullshit and like everyone has said he is just trying to make a dollar.

lol..she ^^^^ doesnt like it because MJ isnt painted in an angelic light

So everything Clives says is the gospel?

No Michael was not perfect but that does not mean everything reported or said about him is true.

Kelly already called his lying ass out. Clives old ass is trying to make a buck and to sell. He wants to exploit and lie about other factors being the fault of why certain artists on his label werent successful instead of taking responsibility himself.

Clive implied that MJ tried take Babyface away from Jermaine for his own projects.

Credits from Jermaines "You Said" album

But here is the thing:

Babyface wrote, composed, arranged Jermaines ENTIRE album so Clives assertions are bullshit and there was no reason for Jermaine to feel Michael was taking Babyface away from him because Babyface worked on the entire project!

Clive is basing his perspectives on how Jermaine FELT during this period about Michael.

Jermaine has ALWAYS been jealous of Michael.

Babyface also was interested in working with Michael and Jermaine took that (IN HIS MIND) as Michael TAKING Babyface away from him because Jermaine wanted Babyface all to himself and thats when he wrote Word to the Badd. Michael had every right to be angry about Word to the Badd because he didnt do anything to deserve that. They later talked it over and resolved it. But Jermaine should have talked to Michael first instead of assuming things.

This is not about Michael Jackson. I am just not a dumbass or a air head that is quick to believe every damn thing I hear so I am sorry for being intelligent and having the common sense to know that Clive Davis is exploiting some celebrities as well as fabricating stories in his book for money.

Here is Kelly Clarkston's response regarding what Clive wrote about her in his book:

February 19, 2013Hey y'all,

So I just heard Clive Davis is releasing a memoir and spreading false information about me and my music. I refuse to be bullied and I just have to clear up his memory lapses and misinformation for myself and for my fans. It feels like a violation. Growing up is awesome because you learn you don't have to cower to anyone - even Clive Davis.

First, he says I burst into "hysterical sobbing" in his office when he demanded Since You Been Gone be on my album. Not true at all. His stories and songs are mixed up. I did want more guitars added to the original demo and Clive did not. Max, Luke and I still fought for the bigger sound and we prevailed and I couldn't be more proud of the life of that song. I resent him dampening that song in any way.

But, yes, I did cry in his office once. I cried after I played him a song I had written about my life called "Because Of You." I cried because he hated it and told me verbatim that I was a "sh*tty writer who should be grateful for the gifts that he bestows upon me." He continued on about how the song didn't rhyme and how I should just shut up and sing. This was devastating coming from a man who I, as a young girl, considered a musical hero and was so honored to work with.
But I continued to fight for the song and the label relented. And it became a worldwide hit. He didn't include that in the book.

He also goes on to say My December wasn't successful because I co-penned the album and it didn't have "pop hits". Well, first let me say, I've co-penned many of my "pop hits." Secondly, My December went platinum (It sold 20,000 less than All I Ever Wanted which followed My December.) Hardly a huge failure. Never Again, the ONLY single they released in the US from that record was a Top 10 hit. I am very proud of that and I have my fans to thank. But, again, what's most interesting about his story is what he leaves out: He doesn't mention how he stood up in front of his company at a convention and belittled me and my music and completely sabotaged the entire project. It never had a chance to reach it's full potential. My December was an album I needed to make for myself for many reasons and the fact that I was so completely disregarded and disrespected was so disheartening, there really aren't words to explain….

Anyway, I love my job. I love my music. I love my fans. I love my label and all of my professional relationships… now. And I am grateful for Clive for teaching me to know the difference.

Cheers to another amazing year! And, as always, thanks for listening!

http://www.whosay.com/kel...de=cci5cY6

Identity said:

Lol! I had a different interpretation. I actually like the book. I can't recommend it highly enough.

So you only read a few pages out the book and concluded that the entire book was credible?

Maybe Im wrong but I just read a post you made insisting you had only read a few pages.

Im not trying to pick on you but just trying to understand how you can like the entire book with just reading a few pages from it?

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I only looked at a few pages of a 608-page book about specific artists, and yes that was enough for me to make an honest decision about whether someone should buy it or not. Like any book, it comes down to a question of taste. I happen to like it.

MadamGoodnight said:

mjscarousal said:

What pages were you reading? Because Clive implied that MJ tried to sabotage Jermaines career His book is bullshit and like everyone has said he is just trying to make a dollar.

Was this after Word to The Badd? Hell, I might do the same thing if Jermaine wrote some BS about me. Jermaine wrote a dis record about his own brother. Not surprising because Jermaine has kids by another brother's woman, (but that's for another topic).

No it was before it because it was the reason why Jermaine made the song.

Clives story is not true although it can be entertaining for some who dont know the full story.

Jermaine wrote the song out of jealousy and frustration because he thought MJ was trying to take Babyface away from his project (trying to sabotage his career). Dont know why he would think that because Babyface wrote and produced Jermaines entire album.

It was a mixture of the Babyface fiasco and just Jermaines jealousy toward MJ that he had for years which is why he wrote that disrespectful song.

Michael forgave Jermaine after that and would for years pay for Jermaines babymamas and kids school education

Identity said:

I only looked at a few pages of a 608-page book about specific artists, and yes that was enough for me to make an honest decision about whether someone should buy it or not. Like any book, it comes down to a question of taste. I happen to like it.

Ok fair enough. I respect your opinion.

However, that does not really reflect the entire nature of the book or make it credible. (Now if you dont care about a book being credible and just want to read just to read then okay then) but alot of the controversy among the orgers here is in how credible/accurate the book is and I dont think you can conclude that on just reading a few pages from a 600 page book but thats my 2cents.

I cant sit here and say every single thing in the book is fabricated because I have not read the entire book either BUT some stories definitly are.

I am personally not a supporter of celebrities who fabricate and exploit stories on other celebrities especially decease celebrities (because they are no longer here to defend themselves or their side of the story) i.e. Whitney Houston, Michael Jackson and to me it just shows how their just trying to make money and not really trying to portray the truth.

I believe Kelly Clarkson. Kelly does not publicly call out celebrities and I tremendously respect her for sticking up for herself and refuting claims Clive made in his book about her and her music.

Glad you enjoyed the few pages you read

I wouldnt buy the book even if I could get paid a million dollars.

mjscarousal said:

MadamGoodnight said:

Was this after Word to The Badd? Hell, I might do the same thing if Jermaine wrote some BS about me. Jermaine wrote a dis record about his own brother. Not surprising because Jermaine has kids by another brother's woman, (but that's for another topic).

No it was before it because it was the reason why Jermaine made the song.

Clives story is not true although it can be entertaining for some who dont know the full story.

Jermaine wrote the song out of jealousy and frustration because he thought MJ was trying to take Babyface away from his project (trying to sabotage his career). Dont know why he would think that because Babyface wrote and produced Jermaines entire album.

It was a mixture of the Babyface fiasco and just Jermaines jealousy toward MJ that he had for years which is why he wrote that disrespectful song.

Michael forgave Jermaine after that and would for years pay for Jermaines babymamas and kids school education

Shame on Jermaine. *SMH* With family like that...

Michael was a good soul, paying for those babymamas, & nieces and nephews of his.

Am I to conclude from your comments he's written nothing about Prince?!?

MadamGoodnight said:

mjscarousal said:

No it was before it because it was the reason why Jermaine made the song.

Clives story is not true although it can be entertaining for some who dont know the full story.

Jermaine wrote the song out of jealousy and frustration because he thought MJ was trying to take Babyface away from his project (trying to sabotage his career). Dont know why he would think that because Babyface wrote and produced Jermaines entire album.

It was a mixture of the Babyface fiasco and just Jermaines jealousy toward MJ that he had for years which is why he wrote that disrespectful song.

Michael forgave Jermaine after that and would for years pay for Jermaines babymamas and kids school education

Shame on Jermaine. *SMH* With family like that...

Michael was a good soul, paying for those babymamas, & nieces and nephews of his.

Michael very very sweet. His entire family sucked him dry up until he left this earth. Jermaine wrote a diss song and was living in the same house MJ was paying for.

Its funny how Clive did not mention how Jermaine had a very successful early solo career in the 1980's with two albums that went Gold and a handful of songs that made the Top 20 position on Billboard Top 20. Also, Clive failed to mention how MJ and Jermaine did projects together in the 80s despite being on two different labels. They did a song together "Tell Me I'm Not Dreamin" for Jermains album that peaked at number 6 on the Billboard charts Clive didnt mention that but noooooo instead the fabricated: MJ tried to sabotage Jermaines career Old ass liar. I have lost all respect for Clive Davis and it was messed up how he did Whitney.

I wouldnt recommend this book to nobody!

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I don't know how brave it is for Clive Davis to come out of the closet just now, considering the industry he is in. He has held a good deal of power for many many years, and has had a BANK account for even more. Yeah, it can be more complex than that, perhaps, but I sense something other than bravery at play.

The girl in Tracy Chapman's Fast Car had some shit to be brave about. The L G B T youth of our world about to be homeless and without family support have something to be brave about.

GoldDolphin said:

SoulAlive said:

It was Wendy Williams who started the Puffy-is-gay rumor,back in the 90s when she had a radio show in New York.She implied that Puffy and Mase were "involved" with each other,which is the reason why Mase suddenly quit his career to become religious.It makes for interesting gossip,but I don't think that any of it is true She also made similiar claims about Missy Elliott and others.

Isnt Missy Elliot gay though? lol...

I have no idea