Chancellor said:

Timmy84 said:

Whitney is not going to be on that list because Whitney's Voice and her Beauty was THE show. She didnt have to dance or need to dance. She didnt need crazy stage props. Having dancers worked when she needed them but they were just stage-props.

Bobby worked that stage by himself. He knew how to entertain and take command of a stage.

I know. But it seemed he stopped midway through and got overwhelmed by drugs, alcohol and his wife's own celebrity, which wasn't her fault of course.

dm3857 said:

10)Elvis Presley

9)Madonna

8)Grace Jones

7)Steven Tyler Jimi Hendrix

6)Little Richard

5)Mick Jagger

4)Freddy Mercury

3)Prince Michael Jackson

2)James Brown Prince

1)Michael Jackson James Brown

my opinion of coarse.

I like your list, but James Brown should be number 1. Although, MJ's performances during award shows were generally awesome-most of his concerts were no where as awesome as James Brown in his hey day. I mean what was MJ thinking when he decides to do an air guitar on stage with all his dancers following his lead? It was cheesy then as it is now!!

I would change your list 1)James Brown 2) Prince 3)Michael Jackson The rest I'd keep the same except Jimi Hendrix would replace Steven Tyler.

Not that any of this matters. LOL

kewlschool said:

dm3857 said:

10)Elvis Presley

9)Madonna

8)Grace Jones

7)Steven Tyler Jimi Hendrix

6)Little Richard

5)Mick Jagger

4)Freddy Mercury

3)Prince Michael Jackson

2)James Brown Prince

1)Michael Jackson James Brown

my opinion of coarse.

I like your list, but James Brown should be number 1. Although, MJ's performances during award shows were generally awesome-most of his concerts were no where as awesome as James Brown in his hey day. I mean what was MJ thinking when he decides to do an air guitar on stage with all his dancers following his lead? It was cheesy then as it is now!!

I would change your list 1)James Brown 2) Prince 3)Michael Jackson The rest I'd keep the same except Jimi Hendrix would replace Steven Tyler.

Not that any of this matters. LOL

You're out of your mind. You're obviously biased.

Even non-MJ fans know, that he was the greatest entertainer of all time.

Hendrix never struck me as an "entertainer". Least that's not how he saw himself (same with Dylan and Marv, they never thought they were entertainers either).

Timmy84 said:

Hendrix never struck me as an "entertainer". Least that's not how he saw himself (same with Dylan and Marv, they never thought they were entertainers either).

I'm sorry but being the first to set your guitar on fire on stage, makes you automatically one of the greatest ever.

TommorowNeverKnows said:

Timmy84 said:

Hendrix never struck me as an "entertainer". Least that's not how he saw himself (same with Dylan and Marv, they never thought they were entertainers either).

I'm sorry but being the first to set your guitar on fire on stage, makes you automatically one of the greatest ever.

Not to mention playing the guitar with your mouth.

All metal heads owe hendrix for the blazen solos of the 80's.

[Edited 2/6/13 21:43pm]

TommorowNeverKnows said:

kewlschool said:

I like your list, but James Brown should be number 1. Although, MJ's performances during award shows were generally awesome-most of his concerts were no where as awesome as James Brown in his hey day. I mean what was MJ thinking when he decides to do an air guitar on stage with all his dancers following his lead? It was cheesy then as it is now!!

I would change your list 1)James Brown 2) Prince 3)Michael Jackson The rest I'd keep the same except Jimi Hendrix would replace Steven Tyler.

Not that any of this matters. LOL

You're out of your mind. You're obviously biased.

Even non-MJ fans know, that he was the greatest entertainer of all time.

Yes, MJ is one of the greatest of all time-but did you see the dangerous tour-utter crap. It is so far beneath his level it's down right embarrassing. I don't think I'm biased, because Prince is my favorite artist-yet he is not number 1.

Now keep in mind there is a huge faction that think Elvis is the King not Michael.

Besides, it is all opinion and very subjective as we both have shown!

[Edited 2/6/13 21:59pm]

Timmy84 said:

I know. But it seemed he stopped midway through and got overwhelmed by drugs, alcohol and his wife's own celebrity, which wasn't her fault of course.

Let's call it like it is..The Media can say what they want about Bobby but he's had 2 Successful Careers. New Edition was a success and his Solo years made him a Hot Act until he fell-off the scene like a lot of Solo Artists...Was it his addiction that slowed down his career in the begining or did he just not have the backing and material to keep it going strong?

kewlschool said:

Yes, MJ is one of the greatest of all time-but did you see the dangerous tour-utter crap. It is so far beneath his level it's down right embarrassing. I don't think I'm biased, because Prince is my favorite artist-yet he is not number 1.

What exactly was terrible on this tour?
yes, it was not great, but not bad either.
half of the songs were performed live, dancing Jackson was at the peak ... only that - it's his clothes, it was bloody awful.

In addition, during this tour, Jackson career as an entertainer had already lasted for over 20 years.

TommorowNeverKnows said:

Timmy84 said:

Hendrix never struck me as an "entertainer". Least that's not how he saw himself (same with Dylan and Marv, they never thought they were entertainers either).

I'm sorry but being the first to set your guitar on fire on stage, makes you automatically one of the greatest ever.

Hendrix hated doing it after Monterrey Pop though. He excused it as a "sorry gimmick".

scorp84 said:

Obviously, who ever cooked up this list has never been to an MC Hammer show. if some of these artists arent bringing anything "new" to the table, they never belonged on this list in the first place.

BINGO!

Pink, Usher, Bobby Brown, Beyonce, Chris Brown, Gaga, Spears etc should NOT be on this list. They are ALL CARBON COPIES of MJ, Tina, Madonna, Diana Ross so how could they be one of the greatest when we alreayd have the originals???

DUMBASS LIST. But that poster is obsessed with posting them here.

mjscarousal said:

BINGO!

Pink, Usher, Bobby Brown, Beyonce, Chris Brown, Gaga, Spears etc should NOT be on this list. They are ALL CARBON COPIES of MJ, Tina, Madonna, Diana Ross so how could they be one of the greatest when we alreayd have the originals???

DUMBASS LIST. But that poster is obsessed with posting them here.

then I am interested to see your list of the top 30.
where you will find 30 absolutely original entertainers? in the 30's and 40's (though still not a fact)?

every music artist is influenced by those who came before him!

No

?

LiLi1992 said:

kewlschool said:

Yes, MJ is one of the greatest of all time-but did you see the dangerous tour-utter crap. It is so far beneath his level it's down right embarrassing. I don't think I'm biased, because Prince is my favorite artist-yet he is not number 1.

What exactly was terrible on this tour?
yes, it was not great, but not bad either.
half of the songs were performed live, dancing Jackson was at the peak ... only that - it's his clothes, it was bloody awful.

In addition, during this tour, Jackson career as an entertainer had already lasted for over 20 years.

Take the performance of individual songs on tour and compare them to performances of the same song on award shows or tv shows. Nothing compares to those. Man in the mirror on the grammys or Dangerous tour? Billie Jean on Motown anniversary or Dangerous tour?

One things for sure, Michael Jackson had the best videos overall, with Madonna having the second best string of videos. (Note: Prince isn't in the top 2)

I think his shows lack a more refined structure and focus. For instance is this tour just a bunch of songs strung together and performed, or is there a flow and structure to them. I believe it's the lack of flow that creates the sub par feel to his show in part. A good example is to compare superbowl performances of Madonna and Beyonce. Beyonce full of energy yet lacked focus and flow. Madonna not as energetic, but had great focus and flow. How you piece the music together is key to making a great tour or performance and Beyonce failed to delivery that. Had Beyonce pieced the music together better-she would have blown Madonna out of the water do to her energy.

Timmy84 said:

TommorowNeverKnows said:

I'm sorry but being the first to set your guitar on fire on stage, makes you automatically one of the greatest ever.

Hendrix hated doing it after Monterrey Pop though. He excused it as a "sorry gimmick".

Doesn't matter lol

Sometimes you're greatest work, is stuff you think is terrible...

kewlschool said:

LiLi1992 said:

What exactly was terrible on this tour?
yes, it was not great, but not bad either.
half of the songs were performed live, dancing Jackson was at the peak ... only that - it's his clothes, it was bloody awful.

In addition, during this tour, Jackson career as an entertainer had already lasted for over 20 years.

Take the performance of individual songs on tour and compare them to performances of the same song on award shows or tv shows. Nothing compares to those. Man in the mirror on the grammys or Dangerous tour? Billie Jean on Motown anniversary or Dangerous tour?

I'm much more fond of Billie Jean during Dangerous tour than Motown.

When Michael died our central channel showed Dangerous Tour in Bucharest, I was not a fan at all, but I liked the show.

I do not think that it was great, but sure not so bad.

LiLi1992 said:

mjscarousal said:

BINGO!

Pink, Usher, Bobby Brown, Beyonce, Chris Brown, Gaga, Spears etc should NOT be on this list. They are ALL CARBON COPIES of MJ, Tina, Madonna, Diana Ross so how could they be one of the greatest when we alreayd have the originals???

DUMBASS LIST. But that poster is obsessed with posting them here.

then I am interested to see your list of the top 30.
where you will find 30 absolutely original entertainers? in the 30's and 40's (though still not a fact)?

every music artist is influenced by those who came before him!

Who is Tina Turner a carbon copy of?

Who is Prince a carbon copy of?

Who is MJ a carbon copy of?

They all had their influences but they brought ORIGINALITY AND CREATIVITY to the table.

Stealing and straight up copying as well as adding nothing original or creative to the act does not equal influence, period.

You could rest assure my lists consists of legends/icons who were original, creative and busted their asses on the stage.

Now if the list was who are the greatest entertainers of the 21st century I might not question it as much but to say of ALL TIME

HELLL NO.

LiLi1992 said:

kewlschool said:

Take the performance of individual songs on tour and compare them to performances of the same song on award shows or tv shows. Nothing compares to those. Man in the mirror on the grammys or Dangerous tour? Billie Jean on Motown anniversary or Dangerous tour?

I'm much more fond of Billie Jean during Dangerous tour than Motown.

When Michael died our central channel showed Dangerous Tour in Bucharest, I was not a fan at all, but I liked the show.

I do not think that it was great, but sure not so bad.

I LOVE Motown 25 BUT I AGREE WITH YOU

I prefer MJs Billie Jean Performances after that especially during Dangerous Tour because you can see his growth as a performer and his experimentation. Not all the Billie Jean performances look exactly the same.

TommorowNeverKnows said:

Timmy84 said:

Hendrix hated doing it after Monterrey Pop though. He excused it as a "sorry gimmick".

Doesn't matter lol

Sometimes you're greatest work, is stuff you think is terrible...

His greatest "work" was Machine Gun. The fire performance is overrated.

Ace said:

No

?

Again it's just a list.

whom exactly copies Pink?

Gaga? her best performances - is Gaga in crazy clothes sitting at the piano incredible shape, playing and singing. Who exactly among mainstream women performed in this way before her?

Britney, Usher for more than 10 years on the stage, there are hundreds of artists who call them their idols and influences.

These artists not deserve a place in the top 10 - top 15, but in the top 30 - I think some of them are worthy of a certain place.

These artists would be on my list? I doubt it, but having them in the lists of other people does not bother me.

I myself love the artists of the 60-90's, in my personal top 10 no one have started a career after 80s, there are a handful of contemporary artists that I really like, but I think that sometimes we do not give even a chance to contemporary artist, constantly looking back.

I prefer MJs Billie Jean Performances after that especially during Dangerous Tour because you can see his growth as a performer and his experimentation. Not all the Billie Jean performances look exactly the same.

each of them has some details that are not in the others.

When I was looking for videos of Billie Jean - Dangerous tour, I looked at the YouTube videos from Mexico, Cologne, Munich, Bucharest. Endings are different, but each is interesting in its own way.
+ he sang live.

LiLi1992 said:

whom exactly copies Pink?

Gaga? her best performances - is Gaga in crazy clothes sitting at the piano incredible shape, playing and singing. Who exactly among mainstream women performed in this way before her?

Britney, Usher for more than 10 years on the stage, there are hundreds of artists who call them their idols and influences.

These artists not deserve a place in the top 10 - top 15, but in the top 30 - I think some of them are worthy of a certain place.

These artists would be on my list? I doubt it, but having them in the lists of other people does not bother me.

I myself love the artists of the 60-90's, in my personal top 10 no one have started a career after 80s, there are a handful of contemporary artists that I really like, but I think that sometimes we do not give even a chance to contemporary artist, constantly looking back.

I prefer MJs Billie Jean Performances after that especially during Dangerous Tour because you can see his growth as a performer and his experimentation. Not all the Billie Jean performances look exactly the same.

each of them has some details that are not in the others.

When I was looking for videos of Billie Jean - Dangerous tour, I looked at the YouTube videos from Mexico, Cologne, Munich, Bucharest. Endings are different, but each is interesting in its own way.
+ he sang live.

And a big reason why contemporary artists aren't given much of a chance is not because we constantly compare them to those we favor. Even those I don't like got a need to be compared. For what?

As for Billie Jean, the Dangerous performance (and the Bad performance) of Billie Jean are my faves. Motown 25's was overrated but it's still iconic, I ain't gonna front.

LiLi1992 said:

I prefer MJs Billie Jean Performances after that especially during Dangerous Tour because you can see his growth as a performer and his experimentation. Not all the Billie Jean performances look exactly the same.

each of them has some details that are not in the others.

When I was looking for videos of Billie Jean - Dangerous tour, I looked at the YouTube videos from Mexico, Cologne, Munich, Bucharest. Endings are different, but each is interesting in its own way.
+ he sang live.

Definitly

I guess Bucharest is my favorite the most because I grew up with that concert and I've just seen it the most.