Revolution said:

riocoolnes said:

mjscarousal said:

Because Prince does not give a fuck about his fans (it takes no rocket science to see that)... and since Prince is an outstanding musician (one of the best) his fans look past it.

If Prince was not as nearly as good as he is, I honestly dont think he would have as many fans and he really doesnt even have "a whole lot" as it is and has lost some because of his behavior. O well, I'll always be a fan of his music/talent despite his bizarre behavior towards his fans.

Exactly we are Prince's Bitches. We should protest by writing SLAVE on our faces and see how he likes it.

I honestly dont think Prince would care either way

I dont know why he acts like this towards his fans. Its one thing to be an ass to people but to your FANS I just dont get it and then you have fans on here that stan so hard for him knowing that in reality, all that means nothing to him. More power to em I remember how the fans on Housequake before it got shut down use to complain how Prince use to sue them

riocoolnes said:

Genesia said:

Perhaps because the notion of someone delivering beyond expectations - without hype, tricks or riddles - is such a novelty in our world.

Ur totally correct. However, no matter wat P does it is intresting haha. Somebody has to give PRINCE A REAL INTERVIEW and ask him wtf is up with the way he treats his fans. He's got an extremely vast fan base and his die hards like a good portion of us on the org are some of the best fans an artist could ever ask for. So why does he fuck with us? Or do we secretly wanna be fucked with. Besides Prince knows that no matter wat he releases people like me are gonna buy it. I just wish i never bought the Rock and Roll love affair ep man was that a waste of money. AND HOW COULD HE NOT HAVVE INCLUDED THE 3RDEYE GIRL REMIX IN THE E.P? thats where i have to get mad at ya Prince.

You are effing crazy if you actually meant that part lol! The real die hards hardly even visit the org and in what way are people on the org considered the best fans an artist can ever ask for?!

Yes. For this week anyway. Now keep it movin'!

I think the new Bowie single is a great piece of music.

Rococo said:

aren't you posting on Music: Non-Prince. who are you to dictate what people can and cannot post.

The OP posted this in "Prince: Music and More", and was talking about David Bowie being brought up in threads about Prince. The mods moved it here.

^ They couldn't just lock it? Now it makes the OP look like a dick and his intention wasn't even that. I wasn't at the Prince side of the board and if I had seen it, I'd probably be like "we got a non-Prince music section, the fuck you posting it there so just we can have a useless debate on which of them wore jockstraps better onstage when they were in their early 20s?"

Here is what i read - and i agree with this so much -

The response: With "Where Are We Now?" Bowie may have mounted "the most surprising, perfect, and welcome comeback in rock history," says Neil McCormick at The Telegraph. The new song is "a beautiful, elegiac ballad," says Alexis Petridis at The Guardian. "Bowie's voice sounds gorgeously fragile — not the fragility of someone nearing 70 who's lost their vocal power to the ravages of ages, but the fragility of someone who wants to communicate an aching wistfulness." After so much time wondering if we'll ever hear from Bowie again, this "gently affecting work of understated melancholy, framed by resonant piano-and-guitar treatments," is the perfect reminder of why we missed him so much in the first place, says Joe Bosso at Music Radar.

It's an illustrative comparison. Bowie and Prince both are universally acknowledged as two of the greatest figures in pop/rock history.

Prince releases a new single and it's met with nothing but shrugs. Let's face it - nobody cares, apart from the die-hards he still has left.

Bowie releases a single, and it's headline news on BBC and provokes widespread discussion and coverage worldwide, and leaps to the top of iTunes nearly everywhere.

The largest reason for this, of course, is that Bowie has been gone for so long. If you would like Prince to take 10 years off from recording and then return with a surprise single, then he might get similar attention.

But it's more than that. Prince has done so much to alienate his fans over the years. Some of us stick around, glutten for more punishment.

Prince still has it in him to do his legacy and his talent justice. Put out a strong album and really get behind it. If he thinks so little of his new output that he throws it away in magazines and newspapers and doesn't care enough to get it released in the US, why should fans care? No singles, videos, no promotion, doesn't even perform it in setlists... why should anybody pay attention to it? All he cares about is the deal, the $$$$. And his back catalog? Bowie has presented fans with beautifully handled remasters and reissues of his key albums, in some cases full box sets dedicated to a single record. Prince? He's too stuck on his own hangups to give a shit. Despite knowing that his fans would be deliriously happy with deluxe reissues with unreleased material, or at minimum nice reissues of the past albums - - - he'd rather sulk around and take his ball and go home than deal with people who tell him what is and isn't possible. Prince is the ultimate narcissist and has always been that way. He's been riding the coattails of 1999, Purple Rain and SOTT for many many years now. He could snap out of it tomorrow and come back to the real world, but he won't.

What pains some Prince fans is seeing all the excitement, talk, adulation and appreciation flowing Bowie's way, when only weeks ago Prince released a new single to nothing but shrugs. And the only one to blame for that is Prince himself.

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NoVideo said:

It's an illustrative comparison. Bowie and Prince both are universally acknowledged as two of the greatest figures in pop/rock history.

Prince releases a new single and it's met with nothing but shrugs. Let's face it - nobody cares, apart from the die-hards he still has left.

Bowie releases a single, and it's headline news on BBC and provokes widespread discussion and coverage worldwide, and leaps to the top of iTunes nearly everywhere.

The largest reason for this, of course, is that Bowie has been gone for so long. If you would like Prince to take 10 years off from recording and then return with a surprise single, then he might get similar attention.

But it's more than that. Prince has done so much to alienate his fans over the years. Some of us stick around, glutten for more punishment.

Prince still has it in him to do his legacy and his talent justice. Put out a strong album and really get behind it. If he thinks so little of his new output that he throws it away in magazines and newspapers and doesn't care enough to get it released in the US, why should fans care? No singles, videos, no promotion, doesn't even perform it in setlists... why should anybody pay attention to it? All he cares about is the deal, the $$$$. And his back catalog? Bowie has presented fans with beautifully handled remasters and reissues of his key albums, in some cases full box sets dedicated to a single record. Prince? He's too stuck on his own hangups to give a shit. Despite knowing that his fans would be deliriously happy with deluxe reissues with unreleased material, or at minimum nice reissues of the past albums - - - he'd rather sulk around and take his ball and go home than deal with people who tell him what is and isn't possible. Prince is the ultimate narcissist and has always been that way. He's been riding the coattails of 1999, Purple Rain and SOTT for many many years now. He could snap out of it tomorrow and come back to the real world, but he won't.

What pains some Prince fans is seeing all the excitement, talk, adulation and appreciation flowing Bowie's way, when only weeks ago Prince released a new single to nothing but shrugs. And the only one to blame for that is Prince himself.

[Edited 1/10/13 7:10am]

I largely agree with this.

Back in September, I saw Prince in Chicago. In the first of three aftershows, he spotlighted Andy Allo. The "show" didn't start until 2:30 in the morning and ran roughly half an hour. Prince came out and apologized and promised to make it up to us stating "you know how I do". The next night, we were blown away with performances of Dance Electric, Stratus and others. It was an amazing night. That is Prince when he brings his A game. The next night, he was back to phoning it in again.

It's hard to give a damn when the artist doesn't and to me, it feels like he is so jaded that he just doesn't want to put the effort in anymore. Every now and then, there is that spark, something that makes me excited like the music on RnR.

It is frustrating when you know what someone is capable of and they don't put in the effort.

Genesia said:

Perhaps because the notion of someone delivering beyond expectations - without hype, tricks or riddles - is such a novelty in our world.

This all day long.

NoVideo said:

It's an illustrative comparison. Bowie and Prince both are universally acknowledged as two of the greatest figures in pop/rock history.

Prince releases a new single and it's met with nothing but shrugs. Let's face it - nobody cares, apart from the die-hards he still has left.

Bowie releases a single, and it's headline news on BBC and provokes widespread discussion and coverage worldwide, and leaps to the top of iTunes nearly everywhere.

The largest reason for this, of course, is that Bowie has been gone for so long. If you would like Prince to take 10 years off from recording and then return with a surprise single, then he might get similar attention.

But it's more than that. Prince has done so much to alienate his fans over the years. Some of us stick around, glutten for more punishment.

Prince still has it in him to do his legacy and his talent justice. Put out a strong album and really get behind it. If he thinks so little of his new output that he throws it away in magazines and newspapers and doesn't care enough to get it released in the US, why should fans care? No singles, videos, no promotion, doesn't even perform it in setlists... why should anybody pay attention to it? All he cares about is the deal, the $$$$. And his back catalog? Bowie has presented fans with beautifully handled remasters and reissues of his key albums, in some cases full box sets dedicated to a single record. Prince? He's too stuck on his own hangups to give a shit. Despite knowing that his fans would be deliriously happy with deluxe reissues with unreleased material, or at minimum nice reissues of the past albums - - - he'd rather sulk around and take his ball and go home than deal with people who tell him what is and isn't possible. Prince is the ultimate narcissist and has always been that way. He's been riding the coattails of 1999, Purple Rain and SOTT for many many years now. He could snap out of it tomorrow and come back to the real world, but he won't.

What pains some Prince fans is seeing all the excitement, talk, adulation and appreciation flowing Bowie's way, when only weeks ago Prince released a new single to nothing but shrugs. And the only one to blame for that is Prince himself.

[Edited 1/10/13 7:10am]

That's true. I just wished some Prince "fans" didn't rub it in some folks' faces over there about it if that was the case. But Prince definitely hasn't done any favors.

Genesia said:

Perhaps because the notion of someone delivering beyond expectations - without hype, tricks or riddles - is such a novelty in our world.

Nicely said.

I couldn't care less about the new single either. Just give me a damn cd with 15 new songs on it! That's what I want.

tobydavies said:

I saw an economics program recently that suggested that when Bowie created bonds based on his future securities he effectively invented the complicated ecomomic tool that has lead to the current worldwide economic crash ... thanks David!

[Edited 1/9/13 13:05pm]

LMAO, there might be something to that but I don't think we can blame Bowie for all this. And anyway, it was a guy named David Pullman that thought this up, not Bowie.

Genesia said:

Perhaps because the notion of someone delivering beyond expectations - without hype, tricks or riddles - is such a novelty in our world.

That depends on where your expectations are.

I'd say that anyone with high expectations of Prince is living in a dream world. If we've learned anything these last 35 years, it has to be that Prince will do what Prince wants to do when Prince wants to do it.

Graycap23 said:

Revolution said:

Wow, just heard a portion of the Bowie song....drab AS HELL!

.

I thought it was just me.

No way! You are NOT drab as hell!

Stymie said:

Genesia said:

Perhaps because the notion of someone delivering beyond expectations - without hype, tricks or riddles - is such a novelty in our world.

This all day long.

Prince has no other recourse than to indulge in puerile mind games like faux Twitter accts and fake cease & desist letters because over the past several years he's alienated his fan base with extreme acts of assholery.

Identity said:

Stymie said:

This all day long.

Prince has no other recourse than to indulge in puerile mind games like faux Twitter accts and fake cease & desist letters because over the past several years he's alienated his fan base with extreme acts of assholery.

RodeoSchro said:

Genesia said:

Perhaps because the notion of someone delivering beyond expectations - without hype, tricks or riddles - is such a novelty in our world.

That depends on where your expectations are.

I'd say that anyone with high expectations of Prince is living in a dream world. If we've learned anything these last 35 years, it has to be that Prince will do what Prince wants to do when Prince wants to do it.

I'm talking about the expectations that are created when someone says something like "2013 is going to be big!" As much as I'd like to be excited about what may lie ahead, I've had enough disappointments in the recent past with Prince that my attitude is more one of, "Put up or shut up." I don't like feeling cynical or jaded, but I do. Part of that's on me for getting too close, but part of it's on him, too - for raising expectations (or hopes), only to dash them repeatedly.

One of my favorite artists (Richard Thompson) is releasing a new album next month. He's dropped a few sneak listens on Facebook and talked about what the album is like in a straightforward way that really has me looking forward to hearing it. But not in a pins-and-needles, "oh, gosh - is this going to be something amazing or a big disappointment" kind of way.

Bowie said nothing - just dropped a single out of the blue with word of an album to come in March. There is almost no potential for disappointment in this scenario, because no expectations have been created in the first place.

I'm not saying Prince shouldn't tease a release. That's totally fine. But right now, his whole modus operandi is akin to going to a strip club and paying a cover, expecting someone to take her clothes off, and instead watching some dude pushing a mop around the stage for an hour and then leaving. (Which is basically what happened with the encore the first night in Chicago.)

As someone said so elegantly in Purple Rain, "I don't have time for your bullshit, Billy."

Prissypants hasnt done anything exciting since the superbowl, hes over.

Genesia said:

RodeoSchro said:

That depends on where your expectations are.

I'd say that anyone with high expectations of Prince is living in a dream world. If we've learned anything these last 35 years, it has to be that Prince will do what Prince wants to do when Prince wants to do it.

I'm talking about the expectations that are created when someone says something like "2013 is going to be big!" As much as I'd like to be excited about what may lie ahead, I've had enough disappointments in the recent past with Prince that my attitude is more one of, "Put up or shut up." I don't like feeling cynical or jaded, but I do. Part of that's on me for getting too close, but part of it's on him, too - for raising expectations (or hopes), only to dash them repeatedly.

One of my favorite artists (Richard Thompson) is releasing a new album next month. He's dropped a few sneak listens on Facebook and talked about what the album is like in a straightforward way that really has me looking forward to hearing it. But not in a pins-and-needles, "oh, gosh - is this going to be something amazing or a big disappointment" kind of way.

Bowie said nothing - just dropped a single out of the blue with word of an album to come in March. There is almost no potential for disappointment in this scenario, because no expectations have been created in the first place.

I'm not saying Prince shouldn't tease a release. That's totally fine. But right now, his whole modus operandi is akin to going to a strip club and paying a cover, expecting someone to take her clothes off, and instead watching some dude pushing a mop around the stage for an hour and then leaving. (Which is basically what happened with the encore the first night in Chicago.)

As someone said so elegantly in Purple Rain, "I don't have time for your bullshit, Billy."

I love you girl.

RodeoSchro said:

Graycap23 said:

Revolution said: I thought it was just me.

No way! You are NOT drab as hell!

Lol......my ears r after listening 2 this new Bowie joint.

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i think it is because people are frustrated that Prince doesn't do it like Bowie, just announce the album straight away, without any drama.

Prince is too confusing for the fans even sometimes....

Also because Bowie gets more attention with his way of announce new material than Prince does with his way of bringing new material out???

purplethunder3121 said:

Genesia said:

RodeoSchro said:

That depends on where your expectations are.

I'd say that anyone with high expectations of Prince is living in a dream world. If we've learned anything these last 35 years, it has to be that Prince will do what Prince wants to do when Prince wants to do it.

I'm talking about the expectations that are created when someone says something like "2013 is going to be big!" As much as I'd like to be excited about what may lie ahead, I've had enough disappointments in the recent past with Prince that my attitude is more one of, "Put up or shut up." I don't like feeling cynical or jaded, but I do. Part of that's on me for getting too close, but part of it's on him, too - for raising expectations (or hopes), only to dash them repeatedly.

One of my favorite artists (Richard Thompson) is releasing a new album next month. He's dropped a few sneak listens on Facebook and talked about what the album is like in a straightforward way that really has me looking forward to hearing it. But not in a pins-and-needles, "oh, gosh - is this going to be something amazing or a big disappointment" kind of way.

Bowie said nothing - just dropped a single out of the blue with word of an album to come in March. There is almost no potential for disappointment in this scenario, because no expectations have been created in the first place.

I'm not saying Prince shouldn't tease a release. That's totally fine. But right now, his whole modus operandi is akin to going to a strip club and paying a cover, expecting someone to take her clothes off, and instead watching some dude pushing a mop around the stage for an hour and then leaving. (Which is basically what happened with the encore the first night in Chicago.)

As someone said so elegantly in Purple Rain, "I don't have time for your bullshit, Billy."

2013 is only 10 days old! You can't give up this quick!

2004 was HUGE and Prince didn't kick it off until the Grammies in February.

Prince released albums regularly.
Bowie took a 10-year break, everyone doubted that he would release something someday.
it`s clear that the hype around David due to long absence in first place

Prince and David - two legends, two icons, two equally important and very influential artists ....
more hype around Bowie certainly not because he's more popular artist, there are other obvious circumstances ... the public has had time to miss him very much.

I am fan of both, but I prefer Prince, and even despite that I waiting for album of David with bigger enthusiasm.

RodeoSchro said:

Genesia said:

I'm talking about the expectations that are created when someone says something like "2013 is going to be big!" As much as I'd like to be excited about what may lie ahead, I've had enough disappointments in the recent past with Prince that my attitude is more one of, "Put up or shut up." I don't like feeling cynical or jaded, but I do. Part of that's on me for getting too close, but part of it's on him, too - for raising expectations (or hopes), only to dash them repeatedly.

One of my favorite artists (Richard Thompson) is releasing a new album next month. He's dropped a few sneak listens on Facebook and talked about what the album is like in a straightforward way that really has me looking forward to hearing it. But not in a pins-and-needles, "oh, gosh - is this going to be something amazing or a big disappointment" kind of way.

Bowie said nothing - just dropped a single out of the blue with word of an album to come in March. There is almost no potential for disappointment in this scenario, because no expectations have been created in the first place.

I'm not saying Prince shouldn't tease a release. That's totally fine. But right now, his whole modus operandi is akin to going to a strip club and paying a cover, expecting someone to take her clothes off, and instead watching some dude pushing a mop around the stage for an hour and then leaving. (Which is basically what happened with the encore the first night in Chicago.)

As someone said so elegantly in Purple Rain, "I don't have time for your bullshit, Billy."

2013 is only 10 days old! You can't give up this quick!

2004 was HUGE and Prince didn't kick it off until the Grammies in February.

I'm not giving up. I'm saying a year is a loooooong span of time to keep people interested on the basis of a tease. Save the hype for closer to the time.

It's like in my job. When we get our preview of the next season's styles, I am all over the stuff. I want to buy it now. By the time I've researched it and written about a few times, some of the luster has started to wear off. By the time it's actually available to buy, I'm sick of most of it.

It's saved me a lot of money over the years, but it's a little disheartening, at the same time.

I just want to see Prince live, BADLY He treats his fans bad but I dont care I still love him... Ive always been a bigger Prince fan than Bowie. There both legends at the end of the day