I attended it. Was a very classy event. Even though The R. sung to back up tapes "No band". His voice was in tip top shape. It was for the grown & sexy.He didn't disappoint.He sung all of his classic hits.Kelly Price I was very disappointed with her lackluster performanc

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KCOOLMUZIQ said:

I attended it. The R. sung to back up tapes "No band".

I think they both are horrible live. I saw them a long time ago live and was not impressed. To me, R. always sings great live, but his performance level is well-below-average.

KCOOLMUZIQ said:

I attended it. Was a very classy event. Even though The R. sung to back up tapes "No band".

What??? I've never seen him live. Is this normal for him? Having a band travel with you is very expensive. I thought artists who were struggling with sales/finances only performed concerts using pre-recorded tapes? I thought he was still doing well enough to have a live band.

kitbradley said:

KCOOLMUZIQ said:

I attended it. Was a very classy event. Even though The R. sung to back up tapes "No band".

What??? I've never seen him live. Is this normal for him? Having a band travel with you is very expensive. I thought artists who were struggling with sales/finances only performed concerts using pre-recorded tapes? I thought he was still doing well enough to have a live band.

I've seen The "R" a few times live. The last time was right during his sex scandal. He played The Forum here in Inglewood(where Prince did his highly successful 21 nights stand). He didn't have a band then either. But I have seen him play with a band before.A female there told me "that is not a real concert.Because he didn't have a band". I told her I feel as long as he is not lipsynching its fine with me. His voice was outstanding he hit all the notes. Especially on "When a woman loves". You can actually here him better without a band.

R Kelly has one of the best voices of his generation.To me artist usually lose their voices or its not as great after decades singing in the industry. But like PRINCE his voice actually gets better & stronger with age. I was very impressed. Even though again like PRINCE he showed up well after midnight to do his per4mance.

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King Of R&B

I think that his kingdom is not very large, given his modest popularity outside of the U.S.

LiLi1992 said:

King Of R&B

I think that his kingdom is not very large, given his modest popularity outside of the U.S.

R. Kelly has sold over 54 million albums worldwide.

kitbradley said:

KCOOLMUZIQ said:

I attended it. Was a very classy event. Even though The R. sung to back up tapes "No band".

What??? I've never seen him live. Is this normal for him? Having a band travel with you is very expensive. I thought artists who were struggling with sales/finances only performed concerts using pre-recorded tapes? I thought he was still doing well enough to have a live band.

It was a one night thing but when he does live performances on TV or tour; he always has a live band. But his band isn't really good. It's not like Prince's band or even Maxwell's. Sometimes Kellz even has them fake play or his backup singers lip synch to Kellz back vocals.

neonlights said:

LiLi1992 said:

I think that his kingdom is not very large, given his modest popularity outside of the U.S.

R. Kelly has sold over 54 million albums worldwide.

^^brought 50 million of them

LiLi1992 said:

King Of R&B

I think that his kingdom is not very large, given his modest popularity outside of the U.S.

Rohypnol & Bladders.

KCOOLMUZIQ said:

kitbradley said:

I've seen The "R" a few times live. He played The Forum here in Inglewood He didn't have a band then either. You can actually here him better without a band. I was very impressed. Even though he showed up well after midnight to do his per4mance.

This some bs being heralded here. Sounds like a joke to me. But this is yalls king lol.

rdhull said:

neonlights said:

R. Kelly has sold over 54 million albums worldwide.

^^brought 50 million of them

I wonder if they are counting the sales of MJ's HIStory or Invincible in those numbers? LOL!

daPrettyman said:

rdhull said:

^^brought 50 million of them

I wonder if they are counting the sales of MJ's HIStory or Invincible in those numbers? LOL!

daPrettyman said:

rdhull said:

^^brought 50 million of them

I wonder if they are counting the sales of MJ's HIStory or Invincible in those numbers? LOL!

Why would MJ's sales be included with R. Kelly's? You fail.

neonlights said:

daPrettyman said:

I wonder if they are counting the sales of MJ's HIStory or Invincible in those numbers? LOL!

Why would MJ's sales be included with R. Kelly's? You fail.

Because he wrote songs on those albums.

When people start saying that someone has sold "X" million albums world wide, those types of numbers can be inflated to make them anything you want. I know R. has sold millions of albums, but 50 million is a pretty big number for an artist that has only had a marginal crossover success in the States.

Either way, it was a joke.

daPrettyman said:

neonlights said:

Why would MJ's sales be included with R. Kelly's? You fail.

Because he wrote songs on those albums.

When people start saying that someone has sold "X" million albums world wide, those types of numbers can be inflated to make them anything you want. I know R. has sold millions of albums, but 50 million is a pretty big number for an artist that has only had a marginal crossover success in the States.

Either way, it was a joke.

LOL @ marginal crossover success. You obviously don't know what you're talking about. R. Kelly had major crossover success for over a decade (1994 to 2007). If you knew anything about his singles and albums sales then you'd know that. 50+ million doesn't even include his singles sales.

Born into the 90's - 2 million
12 Play (1993) - 7.2 million
R. Kelly (1995) - 6.2 million

R. (1998) - 12.4 million

TP-2.COM (2000) - 6 million

The Best of Both Worlds (2002) - 1.7 million

Chocolate Factory (2003) - 5.1 million

The R. In R&B (2003) - 3.8 million
Happy People/U Saved Me (2004) - 5.2 million

Unfinished Business (2004) - 1.25 million

TP.3: Reloaded (2005) - 2 million
Remix City, Vol. 1 (2005) - 100,000

Double Up (2007) - 1.5 million

Untitled (2009) - 500,000

Do the math.

neonlights said:

R. (1998) - 12.4 million

R didnt sell no damn 12 million copies lol

rdhull said:

neonlights said:

R. (1998) - 12.4 million

R didnt sell no damn 12 million copies lol

At the time, the doule album counted double.

neonlights said:

daPrettyman said:

Because he wrote songs on those albums.

When people start saying that someone has sold "X" million albums world wide, those types of numbers can be inflated to make them anything you want. I know R. has sold millions of albums, but 50 million is a pretty big number for an artist that has only had a marginal crossover success in the States.

Either way, it was a joke.

LOL @ marginal crossover success. You obviously don't know what you're talking about. R. Kelly had major crossover success for over a decade (1994 to 2007). If you knew anything about his singles and albums sales then you'd know that. 50+ million doesn't even include his singles sales.

Born into the 90's - 2 million
12 Play (1993) - 7.2 million
R. Kelly (1995) - 6.2 million

R. (1998) - 12.4 million

TP-2.COM (2000) - 6 million

The Best of Both Worlds (2002) - 1.7 million

Chocolate Factory (2003) - 5.1 million

The R. In R&B (2003) - 3.8 million
Happy People/U Saved Me (2004) - 5.2 million

Unfinished Business (2004) - 1.25 million

TP.3: Reloaded (2005) - 2 million
Remix City, Vol. 1 (2005) - 100,000

Double Up (2007) - 1.5 million

Untitled (2009) - 500,000

Do the math.

It's not about math in this case. Just because an album sold 2, 3 or 5 million copies in the 90s didn't mean it was a "crossover" success. Sure, he had "pop" hits, but no matter how you try to put it, he is not a pop artist and will never be.

If you ask the non-R&B fan to name an R. Kelly song, they will be limited in what they will list. Most of them will know "I Believe I Can Fly" and "Ignition (Remix)"...MAYBE "Bump N' Grind."

I OBVIOUSLY KNOW WHAT I'M TALKING ABOUT.

This type of math can be done with almost ANY artist/group. Hell, Metallica and other rock acts/groups crossed over to the pop charts as well, but they are not really crossover. Crossover appeal is totally different from crossover music.

Many acts claim to be in the 100,000,000 album club. Our beloved Prince is one. However, he claims that he has sold that amount worldwide (which I'm sure he has), but the question is if he is counting copies of Crystal Ball, N.E.W.S., TRC, TCI, THe Slaughterhouse, etc? Are they counting the albums that he wrote songs on (Celine Dion, Cyndi Lauper, etc.)? We don't know. A lot of those albums he sold were ones he sold himself and not through Soundscan.

Either way, I understand that you are a "die-hard" R. fan and that's cool. I would defend Prince to someone who made a JOKE about his music also.

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rdhull said:

neonlights said:

R. (1998) - 12.4 million

R didnt sell no damn 12 million copies lol

You can't take a hint? Stop quoting me. I don't care to converse with you, lol.

daPrettyman said:

neonlights said:

LOL @ marginal crossover success. You obviously don't know what you're talking about. R. Kelly had major crossover success for over a decade (1994 to 2007). If you knew anything about his singles and albums sales then you'd know that. 50+ million doesn't even include his singles sales.

Born into the 90's - 2 million
12 Play (1993) - 7.2 million
R. Kelly (1995) - 6.2 million

R. (1998) - 12.4 million

TP-2.COM (2000) - 6 million

The Best of Both Worlds (2002) - 1.7 million

Chocolate Factory (2003) - 5.1 million

The R. In R&B (2003) - 3.8 million
Happy People/U Saved Me (2004) - 5.2 million

Unfinished Business (2004) - 1.25 million

TP.3: Reloaded (2005) - 2 million
Remix City, Vol. 1 (2005) - 100,000

Double Up (2007) - 1.5 million

Untitled (2009) - 500,000

Do the math.

It's not about math in this case. Just because an album sold 2, 3 or 5 million copies in the 90s didn't mean it was a "crossover" success. Sure, he had "pop" hits, but no matter how you try to put it, he is not a pop artist and will never be.

If you ask the non-R&B fan to name an R. Kelly song, they will be limited in what they will list. Most of them will know "I Believe I Can Fly" and "Ignition (Remix)"...MAYBE "Bump N' Grind."

I OBVIOUSLY KNOW WHAT I'M TALKING ABOUT.

This type of math can be done with almost ANY artist/group. Hell, Metallica and other rock acts/groups crossed over to the pop charts as well, but they are not really crossover. Crossover appeal is totally different from crossover music.

Many acts claim to be in the 100,000,000 album club. Our beloved Prince is one. However, he claims that he has sold that amount worldwide (which I'm sure he has), but the question is if he is counting copies of Crystal Ball, N.E.W.S., TRC, TCI, THe Slaughterhouse, etc? Are they counting the albums that he wrote songs on (Celine Dion, Cyndi Lauper, etc.)? We don't know. A lot of those albums he sold were ones he sold himself and not through Soundscan.

Either way, I understand that you are a "die-hard" R. fan and that's cool. I would defend Prince to someone who made a JOKE about his music also.

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I never said R. Kelly is a pop artist. All I'm saying is he's a successful R&B artist who had an immense amount of crossover success for over a decade and has sold over 50 million albums worldwide.

LOL @ you trying desperately to downplay his success. FYI, R. Kelly isn't claiming to have sold 100 million albums. His team doesn't inflate his sales. They don't even count his single sales in PR statements. They simply say he sold over 35 million in the U.S. but if you include his worldwide sales; he's well over 50 million worldwide. These are facts. Stay mad at the success.

neonlights said:

daPrettyman said:

It's not about math in this case. Just because an album sold 2, 3 or 5 million copies in the 90s didn't mean it was a "crossover" success. Sure, he had "pop" hits, but no matter how you try to put it, he is not a pop artist and will never be.

If you ask the non-R&B fan to name an R. Kelly song, they will be limited in what they will list. Most of them will know "I Believe I Can Fly" and "Ignition (Remix)"...MAYBE "Bump N' Grind."

I OBVIOUSLY KNOW WHAT I'M TALKING ABOUT.

This type of math can be done with almost ANY artist/group. Hell, Metallica and other rock acts/groups crossed over to the pop charts as well, but they are not really crossover. Crossover appeal is totally different from crossover music.

Many acts claim to be in the 100,000,000 album club. Our beloved Prince is one. However, he claims that he has sold that amount worldwide (which I'm sure he has), but the question is if he is counting copies of Crystal Ball, N.E.W.S., TRC, TCI, THe Slaughterhouse, etc? Are they counting the albums that he wrote songs on (Celine Dion, Cyndi Lauper, etc.)? We don't know. A lot of those albums he sold were ones he sold himself and not through Soundscan.

Either way, I understand that you are a "die-hard" R. fan and that's cool. I would defend Prince to someone who made a JOKE about his music also.

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I never said R. Kelly is a pop artist. All I'm saying is he's a successful R&B artist who had an immense amount of crossover success for over a decade and has sold over 50 million albums worldwide.

LOL @ you trying desperately to downplay his success. FYI, R. Kelly isn't claiming to have sold 100 million albums. His team doesn't inflate his sales. They don't even count his single sales in PR statements. They simply say he sold over 35 million in the U.S. but if you include his worldwide sales; he's well over 50 million worldwide. These are facts. Stay mad at the success.

FYI I'm not mad about anyone's success, nor am I trying to downplay his success. I applaud R. and his success, I believe he is a talented individual that has written and recorded some great music.

Truth is, I don't give a care about his sales or any other artists sales. Being a Prince fan has taught me that sales figures are NOT always true. No matter the artist. Prince is the only reason I come here and to have a little fun with musically enlightened individuals.

It's people like you that make this board miserable for others that come here. Take a chill pill and enjoy life. It's not that crucial

daPrettyman said:

neonlights said:

I never said R. Kelly is a pop artist. All I'm saying is he's a successful R&B artist who had an immense amount of crossover success for over a decade and has sold over 50 million albums worldwide.

LOL @ you trying desperately to downplay his success. FYI, R. Kelly isn't claiming to have sold 100 million albums. His team doesn't inflate his sales. They don't even count his single sales in PR statements. They simply say he sold over 35 million in the U.S. but if you include his worldwide sales; he's well over 50 million worldwide. These are facts. Stay mad at the success.

FYI I'm not mad about anyone's success, nor am I trying to downplay his success. I applaud R. and his success, I believe he is a talented individual that has written and recorded some great music.

Truth is, I don't give a care about his sales or any other artists sales. Being a Prince fan has taught me that sales figures are NOT always true. No matter the artist. Prince is the only reason I come here and to have a little fun with musically enlightened individuals.

It's people like you that make this board miserable for others that come here. Take a chill pill and enjoy life. It's not that crucial

Just because Prince inflates his sales doesn't mean all artists do the same.

Lol, so me correcting you about R. Kelly's sales makes this board miserable? Maybe, you just take this board too seriously and no one forced you to come in this topic. I find it hilarious how posters like you whine and gripe about R. Kelly yet are the ones in always in his threads.

daPrettyman said:

rdhull said:

R didnt sell no damn 12 million copies lol

At the time, the doule album counted double.

aka 12 mil is bullshit

The absolute last act who I think needs to make any music devoted to children. Just my

neonlights said:

daPrettyman said:

FYI I'm not mad about anyone's success, nor am I trying to downplay his success. I applaud R. and his success, I believe he is a talented individual that has written and recorded some great music.

Truth is, I don't give a care about his sales or any other artists sales. Being a Prince fan has taught me that sales figures are NOT always true. No matter the artist. Prince is the only reason I come here and to have a little fun with musically enlightened individuals.

It's people like you that make this board miserable for others that come here. Take a chill pill and enjoy life. It's not that crucial

Just because Prince inflates his sales doesn't mean all artists do the same.

Lol, so me correcting you about R. Kelly's sales makes this board miserable? Maybe, you just take this board too seriously and no one forced you to come in this topic. I find it hilarious how posters like you whine and gripe about R. Kelly yet are the ones in always in his threads.