CynicKill said:

If Lauryn had nothing to do with the success of Miseducation and it all relied on other people's contributions, then explain to me why this brilliant group of people haven't released an album as good as Miseducation in Lauryn's absence?

If they have I haven't heard it. Can someone track down the credits of the musicians so i can see what they've done in the past ten years, because I haven't heard anything that has come close to the impact of Miseducation in her genre (Which is what; R&B-Hip Hop Hybrid).

Face it, Lauryn was THE creative driving force behind that project.

And I've read the credits on that album. Lauryn credits EVERY musician.

Anyone can be sued in this day and age, and sometimes even lose.

You mean why havent The Revolution reformed to make a powerful album as Purple Rain..is that what you just said? Oh.

Neither Lauryn nor the band have done anything profitable since Miseducation...

Timmy84 said:

Neither Lauryn nor the band have done anything profitable since Miseducation...

Maybe John Legend

Timmy84 said:

MickyDolenz said:

You can't just break a contract, that's not how the law works. The label can (and does) break contracts, but an act can get sued by the label if they try to. The label can also keep someone tied to a contract if it hasn't been fulfilled, but not release anything, or release it and not promote it. It's possible for an act to buy out a contract, if the company accepts. But that would be really expensive, especially for a popular act. That's how Peter Tork got out of The Monkees. But he was practically broke afterwards. Chaka Khan had quit Rufus, but ABC Records (later MCA) made her return to the group to fufill the contract.

I'm thinking she signed those 3 album type contracts. Even if she decides no mas, the company can't let her go and Lauryn probably knows if she left, Columbia would sue her for negligence. But she's not the innocent in this. She agreed to whatever solo contract she signed and has to perform full obligations to it. Because she hasn't, she's tied to her label for life even if music is not #1 in her life anymore. I think she peaked anyway.

Definitely agree. She peaked and made her mark. I stopped caring about a new album a long time ago.

CynicKill said:

If Lauryn had nothing to do with the success of Miseducation and it all relied on other people's contributions, then explain to me why this brilliant group of people haven't released an album as good as Miseducation in Lauryn's absence?

If they have I haven't heard it. Can someone track down the credits of the musicians so i can see what they've done in the past ten years, because I haven't heard anything that has come close to the impact of Miseducation in her genre (Which is what; R&B-Hip Hop Hybrid).

Face it, Lauryn was THE creative driving force behind that project.

And I've read the credits on that album. Lauryn credits EVERY musician.

Anyone can be sued in this day and age, and sometimes even lose.

I agree with everything in this post. Its just straight up hatarade to suggest Lauryn NEEDED help as well as underrating her talent and abilities.

mjscarousal said:

CynicKill said:

If Lauryn had nothing to do with the success of Miseducation and it all relied on other people's contributions, then explain to me why this brilliant group of people haven't released an album as good as Miseducation in Lauryn's absence?

If they have I haven't heard it. Can someone track down the credits of the musicians so i can see what they've done in the past ten years, because I haven't heard anything that has come close to the impact of Miseducation in her genre (Which is what; R&B-Hip Hop Hybrid).

Face it, Lauryn was THE creative driving force behind that project.

And I've read the credits on that album. Lauryn credits EVERY musician.

Anyone can be sued in this day and age, and sometimes even lose.

I agree with everything in this post. Its just straight up hatarade to suggest Lauryn NEEDED help as well as underrating her talent and abilities.

You made this post asking "the real reason why" and when folks post their oinions that you disagree with you get mad. Its not that you did it here, you do it on all posts you participate in.Why ask for others opinions of you arent going to at least consider others opinions and facts that are oft presented? You had no intentions of reasoning with others with your initial inquiry. You just post to post.No offense (maybe just a lil) but gawd you are so full of shit.

rdhull said:

mjscarousal said:

I agree with everything in this post. Its just straight up hatarade to suggest Lauryn NEEDED help as well as underrating her talent and abilities.

You made this post asking "the real reason why" and when folks post their oinions that you disagree with you get mad. Its not that you did it here, you do it on all posts you participate in.Why ask for others opinions of you arent going to at least consider others opinions and facts that are oft presented? You had no intentions of reasoning with others with your initial inquiry. You just post to post.No offense (maybe just a lil) but gawd you are so full of shit.

Oh please , your the one thats full of shit.

Yes I asked for opinions and alot of people here are over Lauryn making music and thats fine but a few of these opinions are irrational and clearly are just out to bash. Like insisting Lauryn is not talented........ and just bashing her without no valid intelligent responses.

Its hard to have serious mature discussions on this site when we have folks like you and a few others that HAVE to be immature with EVERY post.

shorttrini said:

Timmy84 said:

Neither Lauryn nor the band have done anything profitable since Miseducation...

Maybe John Legend

I forgot John was on that album. I just checked the liner notes. He played piano on "Everything is Everything".

silverchild said:

Timmy84 said:

I'm thinking she signed those 3 album type contracts. Even if she decides no mas, the company can't let her go and Lauryn probably knows if she left, Columbia would sue her for negligence. But she's not the innocent in this. She agreed to whatever solo contract she signed and has to perform full obligations to it. Because she hasn't, she's tied to her label for life even if music is not #1 in her life anymore. I think she peaked anyway.

Definitely agree. She peaked and made her mark. I stopped caring about a new album a long time ago.

Yeah I think only the diehards care at this point... the casual fans left years ago, if not during the 14-year hiatus, by the Unplugged album (which intentionally was good in terms of raw ability, I did like the songs on it though her vocals were already at that struggling stage where it remains mostly right now), then by her concerts and her treatment of arriving onstage hours late after she was set to perform. It's sad, actually. It's ironic that in the title track, she had made up her mind to find herself, but it seems she's still trying to do just that 14, almost 15 years later.

Timmy84 said:

silverchild said:

Definitely agree. She peaked and made her mark. I stopped caring about a new album a long time ago.

Yeah I think only the diehards care at this point... the casual fans left years ago, if not during the 14-year hiatus, by the Unplugged album (which intentionally was good in terms of raw ability, I did like the songs on it though her vocals were already at that struggling stage where it remains mostly right now), then by her concerts and her treatment of arriving onstage hours late after she was set to perform. It's sad, actually. It's ironic that in the title track, she had made up her mind to find herself, but it seems she's still trying to do just that 14, almost 15 years later.

Don't get me wrong, I support Lauryn 110%, but all of this skepticism about a possible new album is a blasphemous proposition. Just like you said Timmy, it seems that the people and the media have had a major impact on the mythology of Hill and her absence. When one talks with Hill about what she is working on right now, she is clearly uninterested with not only what she has done previously, but the landscape of music now.

silverchild said:

Timmy84 said:

Yeah I think only the diehards care at this point... the casual fans left years ago, if not during the 14-year hiatus, by the Unplugged album (which intentionally was good in terms of raw ability, I did like the songs on it though her vocals were already at that struggling stage where it remains mostly right now), then by her concerts and her treatment of arriving onstage hours late after she was set to perform. It's sad, actually. It's ironic that in the title track, she had made up her mind to find herself, but it seems she's still trying to do just that 14, almost 15 years later.

Don't get me wrong, I support Lauryn 110%, but all of this skepticism about a possible new album is a blasphemous proposition. Just like you said Timmy, it seems that the people and the media have had a major impact on the mythology of Hill and her absence. When one talks with Hill about what she is working on right now, she is clearly uninterested with not only what she has done previously, but the landscape of music now.

Exactly.

The answer to this quasi-question seems pretty damned obvious...she doesn't want to do it! This woman did her thing back then and went on to have a relationship and family which seems to be her primary focus for the past 15 years or so. What's wrong w/ that? What the fans want and how they feel about it isn't really that important, clearly.

Whether or not there's some critical mass out there clamoring for her to come back really remains to be seen. I rarely see her mentioned outside of music forums like this or forums that cater almost exclusively to Black women (usually focused on natural hair topics). That's hardly a big enough group of people to conclude that she still has a major crowd breathlessly awaiting her return.

If Lauryn ever makes a serious attempt at coming back, I suspect it'll happen after her youngest kids reach a certain age.

mjscarousal said:

rdhull said:

You made this post asking "the real reason why" and when folks post their oinions that you disagree with you get mad. Its not that you did it here, you do it on all posts you participate in.Why ask for others opinions of you arent going to at least consider others opinions and facts that are oft presented? You had no intentions of reasoning with others with your initial inquiry. You just post to post.No offense (maybe just a lil) but gawd you are so full of shit.

Oh please , your the one thats full of shit.

Yes I asked for opinions and alot of people here are over Lauryn making music and thats fine but a few of these opinions are irrational and clearly are just out to bash. Like insisting Lauryn is not talented........ and just bashing her without no valid intelligent responses.

Its hard to have serious mature discussions on this site when we have folks like you and a few others that HAVE to be immature with EVERY post.

Oh u mean like reply #8 ans #9?

Oh ppl are just out to bash because they dont agree with you? Oh

Seems like u take a lot of things personal aka histrionic

go head gurl

[Edited 12/28/12 9:18am]

I'm just curious if anyone has heard Lauryns unreleased/ underground stuff?

It's mainly accoustic works. But it shows taht she is a great writer & hell i think even though it's stripped down it's better than Miseducation.

I think Lauryn is talented enough to do stuff all on her own cause she is a great writer & singer. She may not be a master musician & need's help in that department.. but meh.

Plus i would rather these occassional songs over a messy 2nd album but that's just me

For those who havent heard these give them a spin.

rdhull said:

mjscarousal said:

Oh please , your the one thats full of shit.

Yes I asked for opinions and alot of people here are over Lauryn making music and thats fine but a few of these opinions are irrational and clearly are just out to bash. Like insisting Lauryn is not talented........ and just bashing her without no valid intelligent responses.

Its hard to have serious mature discussions on this site when we have folks like you and a few others that HAVE to be immature with EVERY post.

Oh u mean like reply #8 ans #9?

Oh ppl are just out to bash because they dont agree with you? Oh

Seems like u take a lot of things personal aka histrionic

go head gurl

[Edited 12/28/12 9:18am]

Whats your problem? So just because I disagree with you that means IM REALLY mad

Welcome to message boards where people agree and some disagree and life goes on

Your the one thats butthurt over it, its not that serious.

[Edited 12/28/12 9:44am]

its hard to know definitively so i'll refrain from being dogmatic. i think Timmy's take on the reality of the contractual issues are real and ppl underestimate how HARD it is to get out of those w/o paying out the wazoo. its CLEAR that Lauryn is talented and i know lots of ppl who felt Unplugged is classic, raw, emotional, vulnerable, so she's NO one hit wonder. I DO think the success of Misedu is intimidating for her and her emotional state and ego trips have arguably burned collaborative bridges AND she has a bevy of kids!! I think she does have a lot left in the tank, the undeground stuff proves it, I think she gets a hankering to perform for short stretches, gets a cash influx but not only can she NOT handle the "industry as usual" type contracts and all that goes with it, she doesn't care enuff to do the whole indie thing WELL.

Timmy84 said:

It's more complicated than that. Like it was said, if she really wanted to do independent then she should've left Columbia. As of 2012, she's still contractually binded to them and for some reason can't or won't break out of her contract. Plus, that lawsuit by all those musicians who said they composed the music on her album also killed any kind of musical momentum she hoped to have from it. Not to add possible health issues (she strikes me as bipolar for some reason), her feelings on the industry and having numerous children are also reasons for this. So like I said, it's not just the industry that is "to blame" for what happened to Lauryn.

What kind of contract is that? She's contracted for life? If she has a contract to make a few albums, they could sue her for not making the albums, but a lifetime contract? I never heard of that.

robertlove said:

Timmy84 said:

It's more complicated than that. Like it was said, if she really wanted to do independent then she should've left Columbia. As of 2012, she's still contractually binded to them and for some reason can't or won't break out of her contract. Plus, that lawsuit by all those musicians who said they composed the music on her album also killed any kind of musical momentum she hoped to have from it. Not to add possible health issues (she strikes me as bipolar for some reason), her feelings on the industry and having numerous children are also reasons for this. So like I said, it's not just the industry that is "to blame" for what happened to Lauryn.

What kind of contract is that? She's contracted for life? If she has a contract to make a few albums, they could sue her for not making the albums, but a lifetime contract? I never heard of that.

What I meant is that unless she finally releases the work, she can't leave her label until her obligations are done. That's what I meant by "life"... if you're stuck on a contract, you can't break out of it and if you do, you'd be sued and to settle the matter, you have to give up your musical rights just to be let go. That's how some of the artists in the past (from Motown, Stax, Columbia, RCA, etc.) left. Little Richard's real reasoning behind leaving Specialty Records, for example, wasn't just due to his guilty conscience of serving two masters (since he wanted to be a preacher) but also because Art Rupe had cheated him out of money after signing that contract where he gave up any musical rights to his work, to which Rupe sold off for a measly $50 just to get Sam Cooke signed to Specialty as a solo artist (before Cooke bounced for Keen).

mjscarousal said:

rialb said:

Amen!

and Bullshit

The fact that it was a fluke -- commercially, just as The Score was,

And the fact she did have help,

Do not detract from the accomplishment.

You can't fully deny either fact.

namepeace said:

mjscarousal said:

and Bullshit

The fact that it was a fluke -- commercially, just as The Score was,

And the fact she did have help,

Do not detract from the accomplishment.

You can't fully deny either fact.

I am not denying she probably had some assistance, I thought the fluke insult was to the creativity of the entire album whether she received help or not. To be honest, it doesnt matter, its a great album regardless

[Edited 12/28/12 11:50am]

No, the fluke was in response to her not coming up with a successful follow-up. (Unplugged did good but it wasn't a total success commercially).

Timmy84 said:

robertlove said:

What kind of contract is that? She's contracted for life? If she has a contract to make a few albums, they could sue her for not making the albums, but a lifetime contract? I never heard of that.

What I meant is that unless she finally releases the work, she can't leave her label until her obligations are done. That's what I meant by "life"... if you're stuck on a contract, you can't break out of it and if you do, you'd be sued and to settle the matter, you have to give up your musical rights just to be let go. That's how some of the artists in the past (from Motown, Stax, Columbia, RCA, etc.) left. Little Richard's real reasoning behind leaving Specialty Records, for example, wasn't just due to his guilty conscience of serving two masters (since he wanted to be a preacher) but also because Art Rupe had cheated him out of money after signing that contract where he gave up any musical rights to his work, to which Rupe sold off for a measly $50 just to get Sam Cooke signed to Specialty as a solo artist (before Cooke bounced for Keen).

It's kind of weird that the label hasn't cobbled together a live release. Sure, technically the unplugged album was live but I'm talking about a greatest hits type live album. Once it became clear that she wasn't going to be headed back into the studio surely someone at Columbia tried to get a live album released? It might not be perfect but at least it would have been some kind of product and, who knows, if it was received well it may have motivated her to record some new material.

She's got a house full of kids and worn the hell out. She's more concerned with school fees and lunches and "have you brushed your teeth/done your homework/cleaned your room/put out the garbage" shit than some stupid record.

rialb said:

Timmy84 said:

What I meant is that unless she finally releases the work, she can't leave her label until her obligations are done. That's what I meant by "life"... if you're stuck on a contract, you can't break out of it and if you do, you'd be sued and to settle the matter, you have to give up your musical rights just to be let go. That's how some of the artists in the past (from Motown, Stax, Columbia, RCA, etc.) left. Little Richard's real reasoning behind leaving Specialty Records, for example, wasn't just due to his guilty conscience of serving two masters (since he wanted to be a preacher) but also because Art Rupe had cheated him out of money after signing that contract where he gave up any musical rights to his work, to which Rupe sold off for a measly $50 just to get Sam Cooke signed to Specialty as a solo artist (before Cooke bounced for Keen).

It's kind of weird that the label hasn't cobbled together a live release. Sure, technically the unplugged album was live but I'm talking about a greatest hits type live album. Once it became clear that she wasn't going to be headed back into the studio surely someone at Columbia tried to get a live album released? It might not be perfect but at least it would have been some kind of product and, who knows, if it was received well it may have motivated her to record some new material.

Yeah. Or maybe Lauryn and Columbia could've worked out their contract so she can go without having any legal wranglings over possession of her masters and whatever royalties she may be forced to give up. I don't know if anything can get her back to music since she has like a large bevy of kids. The kids are really the biggest reason why she ain't releasing anything and thinks just a play of some new songs here and there are better than putting out a new album meaning she would have to promote and not be there for her kids. She didn't want just her relatives and mother taking care of them.

mjscarousal said:

namepeace said:

The fact that it was a fluke -- commercially, just as The Score was,

And the fact she did have help,

Do not detract from the accomplishment.

You can't fully deny either fact.

I am not denying she probably had some assistance, I thought the fluke insult was to the creativity of the entire album whether she received help or not. To be honest, it doesnt matter, its a great album regardless

[Edited 12/28/12 11:50am]

I Think peeps maybe commenting more on the ''musician'' aspect. I know Lauryn doesn't play much & is a basic guitar player.

But to me her singing/rapping/writing is what is gold to me especially her writing.

Timmy84 said:

rialb said:

It's kind of weird that the label hasn't cobbled together a live release. Sure, technically the unplugged album was live but I'm talking about a greatest hits type live album. Once it became clear that she wasn't going to be headed back into the studio surely someone at Columbia tried to get a live album released? It might not be perfect but at least it would have been some kind of product and, who knows, if it was received well it may have motivated her to record some new material.

Yeah. Or maybe Lauryn and Columbia could've worked out their contract so she can go without having any legal wranglings over possession of her masters and whatever royalties she may be forced to give up. I don't know if anything can get her back to music since she has like a large bevy of kids. The kids are really the biggest reason why she ain't releasing anything and thinks just a play of some new songs here and there are better than putting out a new album meaning she would have to promote and not be there for her kids. She didn't want just her relatives and mother taking care of them.

And that scrub Rohan Marley

I know Lauryn is no angel... but damn the fact he had 5 kids with her right? wouldn't give her marriage & marries some hoe he dates less than half an year

I still think that has got to fuck with her bad.

Gunsnhalen said:

Timmy84 said:

Yeah. Or maybe Lauryn and Columbia could've worked out their contract so she can go without having any legal wranglings over possession of her masters and whatever royalties she may be forced to give up. I don't know if anything can get her back to music since she has like a large bevy of kids. The kids are really the biggest reason why she ain't releasing anything and thinks just a play of some new songs here and there are better than putting out a new album meaning she would have to promote and not be there for her kids. She didn't want just her relatives and mother taking care of them.

And that scrub Rohan Marley

I know Lauryn is no angel... but damn the fact he had 5 kids with her right? wouldn't give her marriage & marries some hoe he dates less than half an year

I still think that has got to fuck with her bad.

Well, it's not like he held a gun to her head. She could have said, NO!

shorttrini said:

Gunsnhalen said:

And that scrub Rohan Marley

I know Lauryn is no angel... but damn the fact he had 5 kids with her right? wouldn't give her marriage & marries some hoe he dates less than half an year

I still think that has got to fuck with her bad.

Well, it's not like he held a gun to her head. She could have said, NO!

I had blamed Rohan months ago but now I think two played that game. Lauryn was probably alright with their arrangement and saw things her way and Rohan saw things a very different way and he finally split.

Timmy84 said:

shorttrini said:

Well, it's not like he held a gun to her head. She could have said, NO!

I had blamed Rohan months ago but now I think two played that game. Lauryn was probably alright with their arrangement and saw things her way and Rohan saw things a very different way and he finally split.

Dick does thing's to people.......

Gunsnhalen said:

Timmy84 said:

I had blamed Rohan months ago but now I think two played that game. Lauryn was probably alright with their arrangement and saw things her way and Rohan saw things a very different way and he finally split.

Dick does thing's to people.......

Love is blind...not deaf and dumb.