I remember when Kanye came out supporting gay people few years ago and how some people in Hip-Hop fliped out.

How do you feel now in 2012 going into 2013 it is standing?

Jay-Z This year coming out in support of gay marriage, Frank Ocean coming out as bisexual. And getting to work with Kanye, Jay-Z, Pharell & becoming a Hip-Hop hook man.

I know it will never just totally go away. But i would like to think it has gotten a tiny bit better.

man, you are really concerned about this problem.

you so often discussed this topic, it is tempting to certain thoughts

I think that musical artists (regardless of style) show the ratio of the society as a whole.
The more loyal attitude of the society, the more loyal artists display relevant to the issue in their work ... in the world no a lot revolutionaries and altruists, you know.

I can say that people in Eastern Europe are conservative in this matter, the artists are afraid to be numbered among the gays and guide countries promotes intolerance too.
to make it clear ... in Russia there is a law "prohibiting propaganda of homosexuality" .... so if you're an artist and simply calls tolerant attitude to gays, you may have a problem.

But this is off-topic, of course. I'm sorry.

when i start seeing nelly t.i romeo david banner them in speedos or g strings then ill say its a change let the men come out and be naked and sprinkle dick everywhere

frank didnt really come out the closest far as im concerned cuz from what he said can still be denied as gay when he do a ellen or ricky martin i aint saluting a damn thing that queen has 2 say

It's definetly getting better, in addition to all the things you've mentioned, Nicki Minaj probably has the biggest gay following of any rapper in history. I think Eminem being less popular has something to do with this

You need more gay people making funky ass music.

Well those artists you mentioned isnt really a true reflection of Hip Hop, ya know? So it is not accurate to say that Hip Hop is more open to the gay community just because a few mainstream rappers spoke out on it.

Everything these celebrities say has a reason behind it. There not just saying it just to say it, 9 times out of 10.

You have to think about motives and thoughts as Lauryn Hill would say.

Jay Z is buddy buddy with Obama and is more than likely going to say things that are in his good graces or that models what Obama is trying to push. ( Jayz isnt hip hop nor does he represent the Hip Hop community and he says things that benefit him in this case his friendship with the president) Nikki has a gay following because of her image more than anything, Frank Ocean I cant really say because he really is not gay but bi sexual.

All I am saying is the mainsteam scene doesnt really depict what Hip Hop is really thinking and it doesnt speak for other rappers or MC's.

jay-z is not hip hop? what world do you live in?

Thibaut said:

jay-z is not hip hop? what world do you live in?

Jay Z is a mainstream rapper and that does not make him the poster child for Hip Hop, sorry NO. Maybe it does to people from the different persuasion but anybody that knows hip hop knows whatsup

Regardless of the case,

One person does not reflect the thinking of an ENTIRE community and personally I dont consider him to be hip hop in its truest sense, so no.

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I don't know about the lyrical content of shit hop these days since I don't listen to it, but it has definitely been the most homophobic genre of music I've seen in the history of recorded music which is one of the reasons that I hate it with a passion, other than it also being the most boring genre in the history of music. I used to think country was the most homophobic but that genre just has a lot of homophic fans. I haven't heard many of it's artists spreading the hate through the lyrics.

I also don't remember all this bigtime homophobia in the black community when funk ruled the airwaves. I know it existed, but I rarely experienced it back then. But of course, when music is actually entertaining, people don't have time for a bunch of hate and bullshit because they're too busy having fun.

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iaminparties said:

You need more gay people making funky ass music.

We've always partied harder than straight people but these days, the majority of the younger gay generation is just as dull as the straight world. They can't help it though because they've been raised on dull shit and haven't experienced better.

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Jim Jones REALLY got on my nerves in that clip.

Just shut up and go back to your on-again-off-again engagement to Ms. Ratchethead.

vainandy said:

I don't know about the lyrical content of shit hop these days since I don't listen to it, but it has definitely been the most homophobic genre of music I've seen in the history of recorded music which is one of the reasons that I hate it with a passion, other than it also being the most boring genre in the history of music. I used to think country was the most homophobic but that genre just has a lot of homophic fans. I haven't heard many of it's artists spreading the hate through the lyrics.

LOL I take it you haven't listened to much Dancehall!

I think things are getting better overall but still lots of room for improvement. Obama made a lot of black people feel that it's okay if they are not homophobic.

kitbradley said:

I think things are getting better overall but still lots of room for improvement. Obama made a lot of black people feel that it's okay if they are not homophobic.

That is a very sad reason if it really is true, as if Obama has sound moral judgment himself.

Any type of phobia is bigger than the genre that supposedly has the most of it to me. There's too many gay folks that have dug hip-hop for a long time in any form, I doubt they cared that much about what someone says unless they were brought up in a neighborhood to feel less than human for their preferences.

LiLi1992 said:

man, you are really concerned about this problem.

you so often discussed this topic, it is tempting to certain thoughts

I think that musical artists (regardless of style) show the ratio of the society as a whole.
The more loyal attitude of the society, the more loyal artists display relevant to the issue in their work ... in the world no a lot revolutionaries and altruists, you know.

I can say that people in Eastern Europe are conservative in this matter, the artists are afraid to be numbered among the gays and guide countries promotes intolerance too.
to make it clear ... in Russia there is a law "prohibiting propaganda of homosexuality" .... so if you're an artist and simply calls tolerant attitude to gays, you may have a problem.

But this is off-topic, of course. I'm sorry.

I honestly don't remember last time i talked about this

I work sound in the industry for a lot of projects(Nothing HUGE by any means lol)

But i hear dozens of stories from people about how so many rappers are down low. I used to not believe it, but i think a lot of homophobia in Hip-Hop comes from not understanding certain people & from self hate.

It does bug me that the values of being a man is trying ot hard ot act like a thug. And to make sure everything you say has no trace of ''no homo'' material.

I could whoop ass of most of these wanna wankstas & thus(Walkers, flakers whatever wannabes cal themselves these days ] And i hate to say it but people take strong images from hip-hop.

When 50 cent came out with the i been shot 500 times stuff so many people in 7th grade talked about getting popped and they tried so hard to act hardcore.

Lil Wayne was another, afte rhe came out people said they were fucking bitches like Wayne & going to be a gangster like him(He was not a real gangster either )

I do have a dream one day Hip-Hop will move on from songs about bitches, excess, hating homosexuals & acting like you are a real gangster(Rick Ross, Wayne. Waka Flacka are among the worst of the pretend fantasy gangstas)

I think rock music used to be WAY MORE homophobic back in the day. Rock used to be way worse with homophobia and excess, but i find rock and even metal(shocker i know ) Have become a lot more accepting of other peoples life styles.

Country........ yeah

Anywho thanks for reading this long thing if you did

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aardvark15 said:

It's definetly getting better, in addition to all the things you've mentioned, Nicki Minaj probably has the biggest gay following of any rapper in history. I think Eminem being less popular has something to do with this

But Eminem came out in support of gay marriage to

mjscarousal said:

Well those artists you mentioned isnt really a true reflection of Hip Hop, ya know? So it is not accurate to say that Hip Hop is more open to the gay community just because a few mainstream rappers spoke out on it.

Everything these celebrities say has a reason behind it. There not just saying it just to say it, 9 times out of 10.

You have to think about motives and thoughts as Lauryn Hill would say.

Jay Z is buddy buddy with Obama and is more than likely going to say things that are in his good graces or that models what Obama is trying to push. ( Jayz isnt hip hop nor does he represent the Hip Hop community and he says things that benefit him in this case his friendship with the president) Nikki has a gay following because of her image more than anything, Frank Ocean I cant really say because he really is not gay but bi sexual.

All I am saying is the mainsteam scene doesnt really depict what Hip Hop is really thinking and it doesnt speak for other rappers or MC's.

Well even with that said. Jay-Z has been huge in Hip-Hop and is still a huge brand name. So him saying that still had some impact

And it does suck some of my favorite Hip-Hop artists like Mos Def, Busta Rhymes, Masta Ace & Grandmaster Flash. Have all pretty much admited to being homophobic.

I will be honest i don't listen to the music. Cause i try to seperate the music from the men... another one that made me go DAMN was the singer for one of my favorite rock bands W.A.S.P. Has an interview saying how homosexuals are taking over the world & if a homosexual is killed he would feel no sorrow

Gunsnhalen said:

I do have a dream one day Hip-Hop will move on from songs about bitches, excess, hating homosexuals & acting like you are a real gangster(Rick Ross, Wayne & others i'm lookin at you)

Rick Ross, gangsta? Don't you have to be able to run and move fast in order to be gangsta? The man requires medical attention just walking from his car to the studio!

kitbradley said:

Gunsnhalen said:

Rick Ross, gangsta? Don't you have to be able to run and move fast in order to be gangsta? The man requires medical attention just walking from his car to the studio!

Officer Ricky is infamous for stealing a mans story. And passing it off as his own hip-hop ''real'' story psssh.

He talks shit abotu holding all these guns in his cars... only thign he is holding is Bic Macs

Yeah speaking of Officer Ricky:

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^^

Apparently Mr. Ross has pissed off some real gang-bangers.

Honestly I don't know why they're mad because Hip Hop in general promotes coonery and buffonery. I hate how people glorify being a "thug" like it's something to be proud of. But it's all about how you grew up and your experiences, but that' another thread lol.

As far as homophobia in Hip Hop, I think homosexuality in general is becoming for acceptable. If this were 20 years ago, Frank Ocean would NOT have come out. It would have ended his career, but in 2012 it helped propell his career. I know I wasn't the only one who didn't know who he was until he came out. Look at Luther (I know he isn't hip hop, but still), dude was in a glass closet his whole life. Everybody knew it, but he never confirmed it.

A LOT of these rappers are DL, and that's all imma say about that.

Timmy84 said:

Yeah speaking of Officer Ricky:

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serves Jaba The Ross right.

Homophobes are cunts.

It's getting better.

Cinny said:

It hasn't changed, and neither has the fanbase. Nicki isn't considered true hip hop, Jay-Z can say whatever he wants, Kanye got "gay fished" on South Park, and Frank Ocean is a fuckin' singer from an offensive crew. This does not make gay people feel any better than before about listening to hip hop or attending hip hop events (unless it never bothered them in the first place).

Pretty much.

^ That's why I hardly listen to dancehall anymore. Glad that came and went as far as its popularity here in the states.

Timmy84 said: