Timmy84 said:

Well the 2013 Rock and Roll Hall of Fame inductees have been announced and these are the inductees:

Performers

Donna Summer

Rush

Public Enemy

Albert King

Randy Newman

Heart

Ahmet Ertegun Award (non-performers)

Lou Adler

Quincy Jones

The ceremony will take place April 18, 2013 at Los Angeles' Nokia Theater.

http://rockhall.com/press...inductees/

Congrats 2013 inductees.

[Edited 12/11/12 12:57pm]

Sadly, I'm gonna say this is one of the weaker rock hall inductee lists. I bolded the folks I think should be in there.

Donna Summer?! C'mon people. She's the inverse of rock.

Rush?! Really? Sure, they're a "rock" group, so I'll give them that. They deserve it more than Donna Summer in that sense. But they have few memorable songs, noodle around on long uninteresting songs, singer's voice is annoying, not great performers, need I go on. They're just run of mill. Rush gets in before Yes!?! That's a travesty.

Randy Newman is ok, maybe I can see him getting in, but he borders on novelty with that voice. And I actually like his stuff that I've heard.

Lou Adler? Roxy Theater. I don't know enough about this one to comment.

PE and Heart are both WELL DESERVED. They were both innovative, great performers, memorable songs, etc. Albert King is on the fence for me, but I can see him getting in.

[Edited 12/11/12 21:25pm]

controversy99 said:

Timmy84 said:

Well the 2013 Rock and Roll Hall of Fame inductees have been announced and these are the inductees:

Performers

Donna Summer

Rush

Public Enemy

Albert King

Randy Newman

Heart

Ahmet Ertegun Award (non-performers)

Lou Adler

Quincy Jones

The ceremony will take place April 18, 2013 at Los Angeles' Nokia Theater.

http://rockhall.com/press...inductees/

Congrats 2013 inductees.

[Edited 12/11/12 12:57pm]

Sadly, I'm gonna say this is one of the weaker rock hall inductee lists. I bolded the folks I think should be in there.

Donna Summer?! C'mon people. She's the inverse of rock.

Rush?! Really? Sure, they're a "rock" group, so I'll give them that. They deserve it more than Donna Summer in that sense. But they have few memorable songs, noodle around on long uninteresting songs, singer's voice is annoying, not great performers, need I go on. They're just run of mill. Rush gets in before Yes!?! That's a travesty.

Randy Newman is ok, maybe I can see him getting in, but he borders on novelty with that voice. And I actually like his stuff that I've heard.

Lou Adler? Roxy Theater. I don't know enough about this one to comment.

PE and Heart are both WELL DESERVED. They were both innovative, great performers, memorable songs, etc. Albert King is on the fence for me, but I can see him getting in.

[Edited 12/11/12 21:25pm]

From what I've read about Lou Adler, he deserves to be in there.

As for Donna, I can see why you would think she doesn't deserve to be in there, but her influence is more than "disco." She was one of the early pioneers of dance music. If you listen to all of the dance pop and dance pop music that is out now, a lot of the songwriting style, vocal stylings and approach is similar to what Donna Summer did. Not only from the work she is most noted for in the 70s, but also well into the 80s, 90s and 00s. The woman could write a damn good song as well as was a pioneer in her own way. I say if Donna Summer did ONE thing that was significant to music, I would say it was her ability to make you dance. Whether if it was through a dance/rock/pop hit like "Hot Stuff' or through an electro-dance-trance song like "Sunset People," she did it. Hell, even acts like the Rolling Stones and Rod Stewart had to go disco for a tad.

lazycrockett said:

^ Does that really surprise you, Prince is an asshole.

He has loaned/donated items to other music-themed places. The Hard Rock Cafe and Tavis Smiley's Black exhibit that was in LA a few years ago come immediately to mind. I'm not saying he is or is not an asshole, but just an fyi.

controversy99 said:

Timmy84 said:

Well the 2013 Rock and Roll Hall of Fame inductees have been announced and these are the inductees:

Performers

Donna Summer

Rush

Public Enemy

Albert King

Randy Newman

Heart

Ahmet Ertegun Award (non-performers)

Lou Adler

Quincy Jones

The ceremony will take place April 18, 2013 at Los Angeles' Nokia Theater.

http://rockhall.com/press...inductees/

Congrats 2013 inductees.

[Edited 12/11/12 12:57pm]

Sadly, I'm gonna say this is one of the weaker rock hall inductee lists. I bolded the folks I think should be in there.

Donna Summer?! C'mon people. She's the inverse of rock.

Rush?! Really? Sure, they're a "rock" group, so I'll give them that. They deserve it more than Donna Summer in that sense. But they have few memorable songs, noodle around on long uninteresting songs, singer's voice is annoying, not great performers, need I go on. They're just run of mill. Rush gets in before Yes!?! That's a travesty.

Randy Newman is ok, maybe I can see him getting in, but he borders on novelty with that voice. And I actually like his stuff that I've heard.

Lou Adler? Roxy Theater. I don't know enough about this one to comment.

PE and Heart are both WELL DESERVED. They were both innovative, great performers, memorable songs, etc. Albert King is on the fence for me, but I can see him getting in.

[Edited 12/11/12 21:25pm]

Not a Rush fan but come on. Rush is huge. And they have an extremely huge fanbase and are very widley acclaimed. And i do believe rush should get in before yes they just are a way more popular band. so wat about donna summer being the inverse of rock ll cool j is in there lol. Idk if donna summers belongs in their just by her influence or her record sales which to me don't seem equivalent to those like the beatles and other rock and roll hall of fame members however may i still point out LL cool J is in the rock and roll hall of fame and so is that rakim and watever.

the rrhof is an industry joke. the fact that they would induct donna summer now that she is dead is just plan typical. never mind public enemy, i would like to now why africia bammbatta was not inducted. as for q jones, this industry has a problen with succesful black man. i was present the night q won album of the year for back on the block and when it was annouced that he won, i have never heard so many use of the n word from white people in my life.

Timmy84 said:

Pokeno4Money said:

I've seen some of his stuff at Hard Rock Cafes too, I think a guitar and a piece of his purple coat from Purple Rain. All the more reason why it's odd he didn't give the HOF anything. As far as I know he's on good terms with them, he was amazing at the 2004 induction and he inducted P-Funk.

Hopefully he inducts Lenny Kravitz in a couple years, that would be incredible.

Hmm...

I like Lenny.

I love several of his songs.

But . . . is he really . . . a FIRST-BALLOT HOFer?

I am really pleased to see the list includes the Queen of Disco,

Donna Summer had major influence...

1975-1980.

Songs like:

Love to love you baby,

I Feel Love

Hot Stuff

these are essentials in music history, imho.

and she had 4x 2LP (4x double albums) on the number 1 spot in a row.

Once Upon A Time,

Live And More,

Bad Girls,

On The Radio, Greatest Hits 1 & 2.

I am a big admirer of her.

It's about time she gets her recoqnition.

I really her disco music, the songs really makes me happy.

(May she/ Donna Summer rest in peace.)

daPrettyman said:

controversy99 said:

Sadly, I'm gonna say this is one of the weaker rock hall inductee lists. I bolded the folks I think should be in there.

Donna Summer?! C'mon people. She's the inverse of rock.

Rush?! Really? Sure, they're a "rock" group, so I'll give them that. They deserve it more than Donna Summer in that sense. But they have few memorable songs, noodle around on long uninteresting songs, singer's voice is annoying, not great performers, need I go on. They're just run of mill. Rush gets in before Yes!?! That's a travesty.

Randy Newman is ok, maybe I can see him getting in, but he borders on novelty with that voice. And I actually like his stuff that I've heard.

Lou Adler? Roxy Theater. I don't know enough about this one to comment.

PE and Heart are both WELL DESERVED. They were both innovative, great performers, memorable songs, etc. Albert King is on the fence for me, but I can see him getting in.

[Edited 12/11/12 21:25pm]

From what I've read about Lou Adler, he deserves to be in there.

As for Donna, I can see why you would think she doesn't deserve to be in there, but her influence is more than "disco." She was one of the early pioneers of dance music. If you listen to all of the dance pop and dance pop music that is out now, a lot of the songwriting style, vocal stylings and approach is similar to what Donna Summer did. Not only from the work she is most noted for in the 70s, but also well into the 80s, 90s and 00s. The woman could write a damn good song as well as was a pioneer in her own way. I say if Donna Summer did ONE thing that was significant to music, I would say it was her ability to make you dance. Whether if it was through a dance/rock/pop hit like "Hot Stuff' or through an electro-dance-trance song like "Sunset People," she did it. Hell, even acts like the Rolling Stones and Rod Stewart had to go disco for a tad.

Rock and roll in the sense when Donna Summer came to the picture was a blanket term for edgy, controversial music and if that's the case, Donna fit the bill. She did have some rock music-oriented stuff. I wouldn't call this weak at all. Lou Adler produced a lot of rock classics in the '60s and '70s so his induction is with merit.

jackson35 said:

the rrhof is an industry joke. the fact that they would induct donna summer now that she is dead is just plan typical. never mind public enemy, i would like to now why africia bammbatta was not inducted. as for q jones, this industry has a problen with succesful black man. i was present the night q won album of the year for back on the block and when it was annouced that he won, i have never heard so many use of the n word from white people in my life.

How did u come up with that one?

I agree about Q, though. I think that Q won that year because it was a process of elimination between Phil Collins, Mariah Carey's debut, Wilson Philips' debut and MC Hammer's Please Hammer Don't Hurt 'Em. Q or Phil Collins were the only true contenders.

namepeace said:

Timmy84 said:

Hmm...

I like Lenny.

I love several of his songs.

But . . . is he really . . . a FIRST-BALLOT HOFer?

Exactly my point... nothing about Lenny strucks me as a first-ballot inductee. Maybe second or third ballot, but first? Nah. I dig some of Lenny too and he has kept the flame for rock music regardless of critical views of him (mostly negative in the beginning) but he ain't getting in the first year lol

daPrettyman said:

jackson35 said:

the rrhof is an industry joke. the fact that they would induct donna summer now that she is dead is just plan typical. never mind public enemy, i would like to now why africia bammbatta was not inducted. as for q jones, this industry has a problen with succesful black man. i was present the night q won album of the year for back on the block and when it was annouced that he won, i have never heard so many use of the n word from white people in my life.

How did u come up with that one?

I agree about Q, though. I think that Q won that year because it was a process of elimination between Phil Collins, Mariah Carey's debut, Wilson Philips' debut and MC Hammer's Please Hammer Don't Hurt 'Em. Q or Phil Collins were the only true contenders.

The Grammys in 1990 were similar to the Grammys of later years in which popular albums competed against critical favorites. Quincy was a heavy critical favorite.

Timmy84 said:

daPrettyman said:

How did u come up with that one?

I agree about Q, though. I think that Q won that year because it was a process of elimination between Phil Collins, Mariah Carey's debut, Wilson Philips' debut and MC Hammer's Please Hammer Don't Hurt 'Em. Q or Phil Collins were the only true contenders.

The Grammys in 1990 were similar to the Grammys of later years in which popular albums competed against critical favorites. Quincy was a heavy critical favorite.

Very true. Also, BOTB was such a diverse project that married so many different styles of music and they tend to like projects like that.

daPrettyman said:

Timmy84 said:

The Grammys in 1990 were similar to the Grammys of later years in which popular albums competed against critical favorites. Quincy was a heavy critical favorite.

Very true. Also, BOTB was such a diverse project that married so many different styles of music and they tend to like projects like that.

namepeace said:

Timmy84 said:

Hmm...

I like Lenny.

I love several of his songs.

But . . . is he really . . . a FIRST-BALLOT HOFer?

Record breaking 4 consecutive Grammys for Best Male Rock Vocal Performance.

AMA for Favorite Pop/Rock Male Artist.

9 studio albums (4 Platinum, 5 Gold).

4 Top Four singles (including 2 that reached Number One).

Actor (Hunger Games, Precious, soon to portray Marvin Gaye in a new movie).

Writes and arranges his own songs, and plays almost every instrument.

Successful singer, guitarist, record producer, songwriter (written, produced or performed on albums for Madonna, Mick Jagger, Aerosmith, Slash, Erykah Badu, David Bowie, Lionel Richie, Sheryl Crow, Guns N' Roses, Jay-Z, Angie Stone, Michael Jackson, Vanessa Paradis, etc)

So yeah, I think he will get in first ballot. If he does the induction will be in Cleveland, and I will be there!

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I LOVE Lenny!! Been a huge fan for many, many years, but I don't think he should get in on the first ballot. I would love to see him in the RRHOF, but he may have to wait a few years after eligibility.

I love the inductees this year.

Congrats to Rush especially (Geddy and I went to the same high school, but not at the same time).

Empress said:

I LOVE Lenny!! Been a huge fan for many, many years, but I don't think he should get in on the first ballot. I would love to see him in the RRHOF, but he may have to wait a few years after eligibility.

I love the inductees this year.

Congrats to Rush especially (Geddy and I went to the same high school, but not at the same time).

Pretty much.

daPrettyman said:

jackson35 said:

the rrhof is an industry joke. the fact that they would induct donna summer now that she is dead is just plan typical. never mind public enemy, i would like to now why africia bammbatta was not inducted. as for q jones, this industry has a problen with succesful black man. i was present the night q won album of the year for back on the block and when it was annouced that he won, i have never heard so many use of the n word from white people in my life.

How did u come up with that one?

I agree about Q, though. I think that Q won that year because it was a process of elimination between Phil Collins, Mariah Carey's debut, Wilson Philips' debut and MC Hammer's Please Hammer Don't Hurt 'Em. Q or Phil Collins were the only true contenders.

working in the concert touring business, i've work with many of the black artist that you and every body here talks about here every day and i have seen succesful albums put by black artist getting little to no promotion, no video money, no sponsorship, no nothing, and its been going on for years. the fact that q is being honored now by rrhof when he should have been the first speaks voulumes. look at all the blacks bands that have not been nominated into the hall? and look who gets in.

Quincy deserved those grammys in 1990

if anyone wants to question legitimacy, they should question how in the world a fake act such as Milli Vanilli won not ONE but TWO grammy awards in 1990..and I knew they wasn't singing for real

I sat there astonished while watching that entire seenario

this is a perfect example of how the pop ascension movement began to distort things and how it began to destroy the integrity of genuine musical presentation

they won two grammy awards, where guys like Barry White never won a single grammy award until 1996, 20 years after his period of utter brilliance....

w/the exception of Natalie Cole's amazing night at the 93 grammy awards, that show has been toast, when a manufactured act like Milli Vanilli took home those 2 grammys, that award show was done for me...

a firestorm that blew off the hinges, Rob Pilatus couldn't rebound and his life took a downward spiral, leading to unfortunate death, probably suicide

they hand out awards now like they hand out candy

it seems like some of you think every old school rapper deserves to be in the rock &roll hall, im sorry i just dont agree.rap might be the only genre of 'music' where you dont hear influences from the past in the new artists.its all about fads, whatever is hot at the moment is what you get.public enemy's brand of hiphop lasted about 2 years then they were replaced by gangsta rap, if you ask me nwa was alot more influencial then PE.there is no way you can say they deserve to be in but donna summer dont.

daPrettyman said:

Timmy84 said:

Well the 2013 Rock and Roll Hall of Fame inductees have been announced and these are the inductees:

Performers

Donna Summer

Rush

Public Enemy

Albert King

Randy Newman

Heart

Ahmet Ertegun Award (non-performers)

Lou Adler

Quincy Jones

The ceremony will take place April 18, 2013 at Los Angeles' Nokia Theater.

http://rockhall.com/press...inductees/

Congrats 2013 inductees.

[Edited 12/11/12 12:57pm]

1. Hooray for Donna, Heart, & PE!!!

2. As for Rush, it's about freaking time. Maybe there is hoping that KISS will be in R&RHOF soon enough.

Pokeno4Money said:

namepeace said:

I like Lenny.

I love several of his songs.

But . . . is he really . . . a FIRST-BALLOT HOFer?

Record breaking 4 consecutive Grammys for Best Male Rock Vocal Performance.

AMA for Favorite Pop/Rock Male Artist.

9 studio albums (4 Platinum, 5 Gold).

4 Top Four singles (including 2 that reached Number One).

Actor (Hunger Games, Precious, soon to portray Marvin Gaye in a new movie).

Writes and arranges his own songs, and plays almost every instrument.

Successful singer, guitarist, record producer, songwriter (written, produced or performed on albums for Madonna, Mick Jagger, Aerosmith, Slash, Erykah Badu, David Bowie, Lionel Richie, Sheryl Crow, Guns N' Roses, Jay-Z, Angie Stone, Michael Jackson, Vanessa Paradis, etc)

So yeah, I think he will get in first ballot. If he does the induction will be in Cleveland, and I will be there!

[Edited 12/12/12 9:24am]

But not a particularly strong songwriter. One of his signature songs is a cover.

I like Lenny. Truly, truly, TRULY I do. I support his work.

If he gets in first ballot, good for him.

But the question remains.

The Rock and Roll Hall of Fame is full of shit and this year really proves how full of shit they really are. Donna Summer should have been in there ages ago and now, the very same year that she died, they decide to induct her. If they didn't think that she was worthy then, then her death shouldn't change their minds. I mean, if I don't like a certain other goodie two shoes' music who also died this year, if I changed my opinion because of her death, that would make me a wishy washy fake person and I can't stand fake people.

I would respect them more if they simply had some sort of memorial tribute to Donna during the induction ceremony if they simply wanted to show respect to her, but to induct her immediately after her death when she has been denied it all these years while she was alive, shows that they are full of shit and simply kiss the ass rather than stand by their own opinions of who should be in and who shouldn't.

controversy99 said:

daPrettyman said:

From what I've read about Lou Adler, he deserves to be in there.

As for Donna, I can see why you would think she doesn't deserve to be in there, but her influence is more than "disco." She was one of the early pioneers of dance music. If you listen to all of the dance pop and dance pop music that is out now, a lot of the songwriting style, vocal stylings and approach is similar to what Donna Summer did. Not only from the work she is most noted for in the 70s, but also well into the 80s, 90s and 00s. The woman could write a damn good song as well as was a pioneer in her own way. I say if Donna Summer did ONE thing that was significant to music, I would say it was her ability to make you dance. Whether if it was through a dance/rock/pop hit like "Hot Stuff' or through an electro-dance-trance song like "Sunset People," she did it. Hell, even acts like the Rolling Stones and Rod Stewart had to go disco for a tad.

That's cool about Lou Adler. I'll have to read about him sometime. As for Summer, I'll admit I was a bit flippant in discounting her. And I do like some of her songs. I'm just not sure that she was that influential or innovative. I feel that to get in as a disco act, you've to got to have some lasting impact. Chic, for example, would be a better choice.

I totally get your point. However, I think she has had a lasting impact on music in ways that other people don't realize (or tend to overlook). If you listen to all of the popular music from the 80s until now, you can definitely hear some Donna Summer influence. Especially on the dance side of the musical spetrum.

vainandy said:

The Rock and Roll Hall of Fame is full of shit and this year really proves how full of shit they really are. Donna Summer should have been in there ages ago and now, the very same year that she died, they decide to induct her. If they didn't think that she was worthy then, then her death shouldn't change their minds. I mean, if I don't like a certain other goodie two shoes' music who also died this year, if I changed my opinion because of her death, that would make me a wishy washy fake person and I can't stand fake people.

I would respect them more if they simply had some sort of memorial tribute to Donna during the induction ceremony if they simply wanted to show respect to her, but to induct her immediately after her death when she has been denied it all these years while she was alive, shows that they are full of shit and simply kiss the ass rather than stand by their own opinions of who should be in and who shouldn't.

Best Post ever.

vainandy said:

The Rock and Roll Hall of Fame is full of shit and this year really proves how full of shit they really are. Donna Summer should have been in there ages ago and now, the very same year that she died, they decide to induct her. If they didn't think that she was worthy then, then her death shouldn't change their minds. I mean, if I don't like a certain other goodie two shoes' music who also died this year, if I changed my opinion because of her death, that would make me a wishy washy fake person and I can't stand fake people.

I would respect them more if they simply had some sort of memorial tribute to Donna during the induction ceremony if they simply wanted to show respect to her, but to induct her immediately after her death when she has been denied it all these years while she was alive, shows that they are full of shit and simply kiss the ass rather than stand by their own opinions of who should be in and who shouldn't.

They did the same thing to George Harrison. As soon as he died, they inducted him.

daPrettyman said:

vainandy said:

The Rock and Roll Hall of Fame is full of shit and this year really proves how full of shit they really are. Donna Summer should have been in there ages ago and now, the very same year that she died, they decide to induct her. If they didn't think that she was worthy then, then her death shouldn't change their minds. I mean, if I don't like a certain other goodie two shoes' music who also died this year, if I changed my opinion because of her death, that would make me a wishy washy fake person and I can't stand fake people.

I would respect them more if they simply had some sort of memorial tribute to Donna during the induction ceremony if they simply wanted to show respect to her, but to induct her immediately after her death when she has been denied it all these years while she was alive, shows that they are full of shit and simply kiss the ass rather than stand by their own opinions of who should be in and who shouldn't.

They did the same thing to George Harrison. As soon as he died, they inducted him.

Exactly.

vainandy said:

The Rock and Roll Hall of Fame is full of shit and this year really proves how full of shit they really are. Donna Summer should have been in there ages ago and now, the very same year that she died, they decide to induct her. If they didn't think that she was worthy then, then her death shouldn't change their minds. I mean, if I don't like a certain other goodie two shoes' music who also died this year, if I changed my opinion because of her death, that would make me a wishy washy fake person and I can't stand fake people.

I would respect them more if they simply had some sort of memorial tribute to Donna during the induction ceremony if they simply wanted to show respect to her, but to induct her immediately after her death when she has been denied it all these years while she was alive, shows that they are full of shit and simply kiss the ass rather than stand by their own opinions of who should be in and who shouldn't.

It's not just a matter of worthiness though, there's many other factors. As I mentioned before, each class has to be diverse. If the 5 most worthy nominees were let's say male hard rock bands, they are not going to induct all 5 the same year. It's just not gonna happen. And what if the 5 most worthy nominees were all singers/rappers who are either deceased, incapacitated or likely to not show up? Then you've got a rather boring ceremony with none of the inductees performing or even showing up to accept the honor. So it is not just about who is most worthy.

Don't get me wrong, I love Donna Summer and would give anything for her to have been inducted sooner. I just think there have to be reasons why she wasn't, certainly nobody associated with the HOF had a personal bias against her.

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But I'm glad for Donna, Rush and Heart

lenny kravitz in the hall of fame? you're joking, right?