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Thread started 12/05/12 8:10am

thebanishedone

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Singers lypsynch but the band is playing live

Pop stars like Madonna,Jennifer Lopez ,Michael Jackson,Britney Spears and many others are well documented lypsynchers.my question is how they do it without making it too obvious?i mean the band is playing live yet the lead vocals are lyp synched.how to make it work?for example yesterday i was listening to Michael Jackson live in Brunei and i couldn't say which song was real live vocal and which was not except where is too obvious like Earth Song.So how do they make it work?
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Reply #1 posted 12/05/12 10:27am

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The band will have in-ear monitors so they can hear the playback of the vocal with a click track to keep them together when the voice isn't singing. So basically, the band is playing to a soundtrack only they can hear in their ear monitors which includes the vocal playback and the singer just fakes it. It's kind o the same when omeone plays in the studio. It's pretty rare these days for a ban to play together at the same time. Usually you go in to do your part and a lot of the other parts are pre-recorded. You're just playing to a track, even if you're a bass player. Does that answer your question or did you mean something else?

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Reply #2 posted 12/05/12 10:41am

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steakfinger said:

The band will have in-ear monitors so they can hear the playback of the vocal with a click track to keep them together when the voice isn't singing. So basically, the band is playing to a soundtrack only they can hear in their ear monitors which includes the vocal playback and the singer just fakes it. It's kind o the same when omeone plays in the studio. It's pretty rare these days for a ban to play together at the same time. Usually you go in to do your part and a lot of the other parts are pre-recorded. You're just playing to a track, even if you're a bass player. Does that answer your question or did you mean something else?

Interesting, i never knew this.

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Reply #3 posted 12/05/12 12:59pm

thebanishedone

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steakfinger said:

The band will have in-ear monitors so they can hear the playback of the vocal with a click track to keep them together when the voice isn't singing. So basically, the band is playing to a soundtrack only they can hear in their ear monitors which includes the vocal playback and the singer just fakes it. It's kind o the same when omeone plays in the studio. It's pretty rare these days for a ban to play together at the same time. Usually you go in to do your part and a lot of the other parts are pre-recorded. You're just playing to a track, even if you're a bass player. Does that answer your question or did you mean something else?


yes,thank you i wonder why did Michael Jackson rehearse with live vocals and on the concert he lypsynched. And the version he rehearsed were different then the lypsynched versions.so i never knew how he and the band worked it out . Do you think somebody can pull a perfect lyp synch or not?
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Reply #4 posted 12/05/12 2:32pm

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The reason why Michael Jackson sang live during the rehearsals but lipsynced during the concerts is most likely that he wasn't happy with how his live vocals sounded like during certain songs. With many of those songs he just seemed to give up ultimately.

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Reply #5 posted 12/05/12 2:36pm

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Usually, it seems to me that the artists that do the most lip synching the band isn't playing that much live either. Usually artists that lip sync a lot are doing some type of dance electronic music that is playing from computers not instruments anyway. That's the whole reason they are lip synching because they are dancing to dance oriented music and it's hard to sing properly and dance heavily at the same time. Even the artists that lip sync to the uptempo dance stuff don't lip sync when they do ballads in the same concert where the band is playing more stuff live.

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Reply #6 posted 12/05/12 9:53pm

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Glindathegood said:

Usually, it seems to me that the artists that do the most lip synching the band isn't playing that much live either. Usually artists that lip sync a lot are doing some type of dance electronic music that is playing from computers not instruments anyway. That's the whole reason they are lip synching because they are dancing to dance oriented music and it's hard to sing properly and dance heavily at the same time. Even the artists that lip sync to the uptempo dance stuff don't lip sync when they do ballads in the same concert where the band is playing more stuff live.


janet ,Madonna are examples of lypsynching on the slow songs.i'm more interested in the combination of live playing and lypsynch vocals.it comes as odd
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Reply #7 posted 12/06/12 3:08am

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novabrkr said:

The reason why Michael Jackson sang live during the rehearsals but lipsynced during the concerts is most likely that he wasn't happy with how his live vocals sounded like during certain songs. With many of those songs he just seemed to give up ultimately.

MJ was the first artist that came to my mind when I read the thread title. In many of the clips I've seen, it would appear that he'd lipsync the main part of the song and then 'go live' on the ad libs towards the end. That was largely the case when I saw him in 1997, where 95% of the show was lipsynced, but what struck me then - and I was reminded of this when I read your comment about him 'giving up' - was that he'd often sing the first line of the song, as if he was going to give the whole thing a go, then look to the side of the stage, whereupon the prerecorded vocal track would be triggered. On that tour, he wasn't doing much in the way of complex, exhausting dance routines, so it did seem that it was more about his own anxieties about his performance. It was made all the more obvious by the fact he was using those headset mics, rather than a handheld one which singers can kind of hide behind. I often wondered if his tendency to cup his hand around the end of the headset mic whilst lipsyncing was to cover himself and 'hide his shame', as it were.

One thing it made me wonder was: why do singers who do this use the vocal track from the record, which, to most fans, is instantly recognisable as such? Why not, for example, go into the studio at the start of the tour and rerecord the vocals, perhaps with some slight differences, and - if they're a veteran performer - with the distinctive qualities of their voice in that period? Perhaps it would seem too 'deceptive'; although you could argue that it's kind of deceptive to lipsync live, whatever way you slice it.

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Reply #8 posted 12/06/12 3:57am

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deebee said:



novabrkr said:


The reason why Michael Jackson sang live during the rehearsals but lipsynced during the concerts is most likely that he wasn't happy with how his live vocals sounded like during certain songs. With many of those songs he just seemed to give up ultimately.




MJ was the first artist that came to my mind when I read the thread title. In many of the clips I've seen, it would appear that he'd lipsync the main part of the song and then 'go live' on the ad libs towards the end. That was largely the case when I saw him in 1997, where 95% of the show was lipsynced, but what struck me then - and I was reminded of this when I read your comment about him 'giving up' - was that he'd often sing the first line of the song, as if he was going to give the whole thing a go, then look to the side of the stage, whereupon the prerecorded vocal track would be triggered. On that tour, he wasn't doing much in the way of complex, exhausting dance routines, so it did seem that it was more about his own anxieties about his performance. It was made all the more obvious by the fact he was using those headset mics, rather than a handheld one which singers can kind of hide behind. I often wondered if his tendency to cup his hand around the end of the headset mic whilst lipsyncing was to cover himself and 'hide his shame', as it were.

One thing it made me wonder was: why do singers who do this use the vocal track from the record, which, to most fans, is instantly recognisable as such? Why not, for example, go into the studio at the start of the tour and rerecord the vocals, perhaps with some slight differences, and - if they're a veteran performer - with the distinctive qualities of their voice in that period? Perhaps it would seem too 'deceptive'; although you could argue that it's kind of deceptive to lipsync live, whatever way you slice it.


there is a blog that goes in details what was mimed on History,Dangerous and Bad you are so on point.i don't have a link just google Antony blog michael jackson lypsynch
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Reply #9 posted 12/06/12 4:32am

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deebee said:

novabrkr said:

The reason why Michael Jackson sang live during the rehearsals but lipsynced during the concerts is most likely that he wasn't happy with how his live vocals sounded like during certain songs. With many of those songs he just seemed to give up ultimately.

MJ was the first artist that came to my mind when I read the thread title. In many of the clips I've seen, it would appear that he'd lipsync the main part of the song and then 'go live' on the ad libs towards the end. That was largely the case when I saw him in 1997, where 95% of the show was lipsynced, but what struck me then - and I was reminded of this when I read your comment about him 'giving up' - was that he'd often sing the first line of the song, as if he was going to give the whole thing a go, then look to the side of the stage, whereupon the prerecorded vocal track would be triggered. On that tour, he wasn't doing much in the way of complex, exhausting dance routines, so it did seem that it was more about his own anxieties about his performance. It was made all the more obvious by the fact he was using those headset mics, rather than a handheld one which singers can kind of hide behind. I often wondered if his tendency to cup his hand around the end of the headset mic whilst lipsyncing was to cover himself and 'hide his shame', as it were.

One thing it made me wonder was: why do singers who do this use the vocal track from the record, which, to most fans, is instantly recognisable as such? Why not, for example, go into the studio at the start of the tour and rerecord the vocals, perhaps with some slight differences, and - if they're a veteran performer - with the distinctive qualities of their voice in that period? Perhaps it would seem too 'deceptive'; although you could argue that it's kind of deceptive to lipsync live, whatever way you slice it.

Yeah, I think they should. At least it would be something a lil different for the fans, even if they know its lipsynched.

I remember MJ on the History tour performed Scream as the opening song and Janets vocals were replaced by him singing them. Although the track was lipsynced, it was cool to hear his voice on those Janet parts as it was something I'd never heard before. So I agree, he should've rerecorded all the lead vocals for the tour to give it some variation.

I kinda got the same impression as you with the holding the headset mic thing, that it was in a way covering up. But now as I think about it more, maybe holding a mic up to his mouth had become such a habit since childhood, that he'd just often fall into doing it without really realising? Who knows...

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Reply #10 posted 12/06/12 6:21am

mjscarousal

He lypsynch (WE ALL KNOW THIS lol ) but not to the extent that your guys are insinuating razz . He sung enough live by the time BAD came out to prove he was a great live performer and singer EVEN during BAD which was 95 percent live. There are also medical conditions people are not taking into consideration that he had that had a huge affect on why he chose not to sing live on the latter portion of his career, better examples of lypsynchers would be Madonna or Janet..... that is all.

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Reply #11 posted 12/06/12 7:35am

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go to

anthony-king.com/blog/did-michael-jackson-sing-live-on-the-history-tour/

it goes deep into what and what Michael didn't sing live on Bad Tour/Dangerous/History

IT is not true the Michael didn't mimed on Bad tour.

first leg of the tour was live but on the second leg songs like Smooh Criminal and Thriller were mimed.

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Reply #12 posted 12/06/12 8:23am

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thebanishedone said:

i mean the band is playing live yet the lead vocals are lip synched. how to make it work?

It's probably no different than those Elvis concerts started in the late 1990's. Elvis is obviously not live.

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Reply #13 posted 12/06/12 8:25am

mjscarousal

thebanishedone said:

go to

anthony-king.com/blog/did-michael-jackson-sing-live-on-the-history-tour/

it goes deep into what and what Michael didn't sing live on Bad Tour/Dangerous/History

IT is not true the Michael didn't mimed on Bad tour.

first leg of the tour was live but on the second leg songs like Smooh Criminal and Thriller were mimed.

Did you see me type that BAD was 100% live? No I did not imply that but it seems poster here are just egging to bag MJ over a topic that is redundant and that people know already. It is important to understand medical reasons to why he did that and to note that he had sung 100 percent live before he broke solo with his tours and already showed to be a great live singer. So all this other stuff really means nothing. He proved he was a good live performer and already paid his dues.

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Reply #14 posted 12/06/12 10:10am

thebanishedone

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mjscarousal said:



thebanishedone said:


go to


anthony-king.com/blog/did-michael-jackson-sing-live-on-the-history-tour/



it goes deep into what and what Michael didn't sing live on Bad Tour/Dangerous/History



IT is not true the Michael didn't mimed on Bad tour.


first leg of the tour was live but on the second leg songs like Smooh Criminal and Thriller were mimed.




Did you see me type that BAD was 100% live? No I did not imply that but it seems poster here are just egging to bag MJ over a topic that is redundant and that people know already. It is important to understand medical reasons to why he did that and to note that he had sung 100 percent live before he broke solo with his tours and already showed to be a great live singer. So all this other stuff really means nothing. He proved he was a good live performer and already paid his dues.


calm down man.popular opinion including myself is that Bad was all Live Yokahoma is live. I know Michael's past effort with brothers was all live.i have destiny tour boot and at the time Jackson was top notch vocaly .since he went solo he lost the gritt and funk from his voice but that is another topic.this one is about musicians who lyp synch yet the band is playing live
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Reply #15 posted 12/06/12 10:14am

mjscarousal

thebanishedone said:

mjscarousal said:

Did you see me type that BAD was 100% live? No I did not imply that but it seems poster here are just egging to bag MJ over a topic that is redundant and that people know already. It is important to understand medical reasons to why he did that and to note that he had sung 100 percent live before he broke solo with his tours and already showed to be a great live singer. So all this other stuff really means nothing. He proved he was a good live performer and already paid his dues.

calm down man.popular opinion including myself is that Bad was all Live Yokahoma is live. I know Michael's past effort with brothers was all live.i have destiny tour boot and at the time Jackson was top notch vocaly .since he went solo he lost the gritt and funk from his voice but that is another topic.this one is about musicians who lyp synch yet the band is playing live

I am calm lol I never denied this redundant issue wasnt true.

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