I guess the great thing about him is his gangsta tales of Brooklyn.

Thug life baby-Down goes another (bleep)_____!

Gunsnhalen said:

I know many people will scold me for this....

But what the hell is so great about Notrious B.I.G?

He had a flow, he had some decent stories in his lyrics.

He didn't have an amazing flow, he was not an above average lyricist.... the production on his songs where good but nothing to be applauded over.

People seem to pave biggie to be this tragic hero , this music genius who was killed by '' a hater'' or whatever.

Ready To Die & Life After Death are both good albums... but a bit overrated.

Some great tracks on them, but i don't see why thet made people think Biggie is some GOD on the mic...

Biggie is not different at all from most gangster rappers, he was not that great of a guy either.

he was manipulative, sexist, egotistical jerk, i mean you just have to listen to his debut Ready To Die & you will see what i mean.

So what makes him one of the greats of hip hop?

Before The Notorious B.I.G. came along, early 1990's hip/rap was dominated by rap artists & producers from the west coast. Specifically, the sub-genre known as gangsta rap was outsells all other sub-genres such as political rap, party rap, alternative rap, as so forth.

Biggie became famous for not only getting the east coast "back on track", but also doing it by using west coast rap-like tactics in his rap lyrics. In other words, Biggie proved that east coast can sound "gangsta" too.

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They were good and they said something about the reality of street life.

As did Tupac.

TonyVanDam said:

Gunsnhalen said:

I know many people will scold me for this....

But what the hell is so great about Notrious B.I.G?

He had a flow, he had some decent stories in his lyrics.

He didn't have an amazing flow, he was not an above average lyricist.... the production on his songs where good but nothing to be applauded over.

People seem to pave biggie to be this tragic hero , this music genius who was killed by '' a hater'' or whatever.

Ready To Die & Life After Death are both good albums... but a bit overrated.

Some great tracks on them, but i don't see why thet made people think Biggie is some GOD on the mic...

Biggie is not different at all from most gangster rappers, he was not that great of a guy either.

he was manipulative, sexist, egotistical jerk, i mean you just have to listen to his debut Ready To Die & you will see what i mean.

So what makes him one of the greats of hip hop?

Before The Notorious B.I.G. came along, early 1990's hip/rap was dominated by rap artists & producers from the west coast. Specifically, the sub-genre known as gangsta rap was outsells all other sub-genres such as political rap, party rap, alternative rap, as so forth.

Biggie became famous for not only getting the east coast "back on track", but also doing it by using west coast rap-like tactics in his rap lyrics. In other words, Biggie proved that east coast can sound "gangsta" too.

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Wu Tang was first though by a few months.

LittleBLUECorvette said:

TonyVanDam said:

Before The Notorious B.I.G. came along, early 1990's hip/rap was dominated by rap artists & producers from the west coast. Specifically, the sub-genre known as gangsta rap was outsells all other sub-genres such as political rap, party rap, alternative rap, as so forth.

Biggie became famous for not only getting the east coast "back on track", but also doing it by using west coast rap-like tactics in his rap lyrics. In other words, Biggie proved that east coast can sound "gangsta" too.

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Wu Tang was first though by a few months.

....except Wu Tang didn't sell in the dirty south as well as Biggie did. Keep in mind that musically, the west coast was getting most of the dirty south's attentions before Biggie made the east coast "cool" to the dirty south again.

Graycap23 said:

H.Y.P.E.

Man, shut the fuck up. All you do is come up in these threads shitting on folks. You don't like this, you don't like that, pretending like you are hip to something better at all times. Can't win with Biggie. Can't even win with some motherfucking Adele. You are so far up your own ass you're eating shit for breakfast.

Seriously. You, KCOOL, and laurarichardson are cut from the same wack cloth.

I like Biggie more than 2PAC - He never pretended to be something he was not and has some club bangers.

Whilst Pac contradicted just about everything he said and did.

mancabdriver said:

I like Biggie more than 2PAC - He never pretended to be something he was not and has some club bangers.

Whilst Pac contradicted just about everything he said and did.

You ain't never lied! Hahaha

Spinlight said:

Let's not forget how Biggie simultaneously elevated and destroyed Craig Mack's career by KILLING it on his very first feature.

Wow! Hadn't heard that in a minute. Thanks I needed that one! I actually think this is a good example of what made Biggie stand out from the rest of his peers. He had style, versatile cadence or flow, painted great pictures lyrically (poetic), distinctive voice (nobody else sounded like him at the the time; F*ck you Shine and Officer Ricky Ross), and last but certainly not least, he rhymed with a sense of humor.

I thought his first feature was on Super Cat's Dolly My Baby in '93? I could be wrong though....

BTW: This song has to be Puff's most embarrassing moment on wax...

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Timmy84 said:

mancabdriver said:

I like Biggie more than 2PAC - He never pretended to be something he was not and has some club bangers.

Whilst Pac contradicted just about everything he said and did.

You ain't never lied! Hahaha

Not to the extent he did:

I never talked about ending black on black violence then sing a song like ‘Hit em up’ or was convicted of sexually assaulting a woman and then write a song like ‘Dear Mama’ / ‘keep your head up’/ ‘Brenda’s got a baby’ – take your pick

Musicslave said:

Spinlight said:

Let's not forget how Biggie simultaneously elevated and destroyed Craig Mack's career by KILLING it on his very first feature.

Wow! Hadn't heard that in a minute. Thanks I needed that one! I actually think this is a good example of what made Biggie stand out from the rest of his peers. He had style, versatile cadence or flow, painted great pictures lyrically (poetic), distinctive voice (nobody else sounded like him at the the time; F*ck you Shine and Officer Ricky Ross), and last but certainly not least, he rhymed with a sense of humor.

I thought his first feature was on Super Cat's Dolly My Baby in '93? I could be wrong though....

BTW: This song has to be Puff's most embarrassing moment on wax...

[Edited 12/4/12 8:14am]

Woops - You're right, this is the first one. I can see why it gets slept on in favor of "Flava In Ya Ear" though, lmao. This is rough.

mancabdriver said:

Timmy84 said:

You ain't never lied! Hahaha

Not to the extent he did:

I never talked about ending black on black violence then sing a song like ‘Hit em up’ or was convicted of sexually assaulting a woman and then write a song like ‘Dear Mama’ / ‘keep your head up’/ ‘Brenda’s got a baby’ – take your pick

2Pac had issues. I still believe to this day dude was an undiagnosed bipolar. He was too proud to get a "checkup". Remember, he didn't even let doctors work on him following him being shot five times because he didn't wanna have people check his ballsack. He was one paranoid dude always getting high on weed and drinking and when that didn't ease him, he'd go off. He had mental problems.

mancabdriver said:

Timmy84 said:

You ain't never lied! Hahaha

Not to the extent he did:

I never talked about ending black on black violence then sing a song like ‘Hit em up’ or was convicted of sexually assaulting a woman and then write a song like ‘Dear Mama’ / ‘keep your head up’/ ‘Brenda’s got a baby’ – take your pick

But that was all apart of who he was. Yes it is a contradiction but I sincerely believe Pac had deeper feelings about alot of issues unlike Biggie. There are way more other songs in his catalogue that demonstrates that. Pac was a thug I dont think he ever once tried to portray something out side of that obviously he wasnt perfect. I respect Biggie and love alot of his songs but I think Pac truly deserve his legendary title, even if he didnt pass away so young.

Despite that, I think he wanted to big to light that rappers can be intellectual as well, which he did. Some of poetry and music that he has written is just no competition standing next to Biggies catalogue which most of he didnt write himself, not hating on him but just saying

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I just want to say... I love this thread.

BIG's storytelling and style are the reasons that while my "coming of age" period was during the BIG and Pac heyday (I'm 30), I listen to more BIG than Pac to this day. As much as I can't stand P Diddly's hanging- lipped self, I can admit that he contributed to the main cross-over appeal that led to the success realized. Yes, there was some awesome rap artistry coming out of the East Coast but it was all labled as "Underground" compared to West Coast rap until Biggie.

Thanks for the great read.

Nah this was the first one BIG was on that got him exposure:

BIG first got attention back in 1991 on The Source as an "Unsigned Hype" artist. That's how Puffy first heard of him. BIG had been doing freestyles in Brooklyn while also working the dope scene in the same period (he started dealing at sixteen if I recall). BIG and Puff first started working together in Uptown in early 1992 before BIG turned 20.

After Dolly My Baby, BIG's first single was put on the "Who's the Man" soundtrack:

If I recall, this was right before Puffy started Bad Boy. BIG was its flagship artist. He left Uptown after they kicked Puff out because he felt he wouldn't make it without him at the time.

I love his line in "Dolly My Baby", that's where you hear him rap "I love it when you call me BIG POPPA" and it was later used for one of his big hits. I also loved his final line in the remix: "LAWD ME CAN'T TAKE IT NO MORE!"

Damn... I just realized how much I missed Big. Damn lol RIP Big.

Spinlight said:

Musicslave said:

Wow! Hadn't heard that in a minute. Thanks I needed that one! I actually think this is a good example of what made Biggie stand out from the rest of his peers. He had style, versatile cadence or flow, painted great pictures lyrically (poetic), distinctive voice (nobody else sounded like him at the the time; F*ck you Shine and Officer Ricky Ross), and last but certainly not least, he rhymed with a sense of humor.

I thought his first feature was on Super Cat's Dolly My Baby in '93? I could be wrong though....

BTW: This song has to be Puff's most embarrassing moment on wax...

[Edited 12/4/12 8:14am]

Woops - You're right, this is the first one. I can see why it gets slept on in favor of "Flava In Ya Ear" though, lmao. This is rough.

Yeah, I'm sure he didn't mind "Dolly My Baby" becoming 2nd fiddle to FIYE Remix That was a hell of a lot better intro to his talent than the other.

Musicslave said:

Spinlight said:

Woops - You're right, this is the first one. I can see why it gets slept on in favor of "Flava In Ya Ear" though, lmao. This is rough.

Yeah, I'm sure he didn't mind "Dolly My Baby" becoming 2nd fiddle to FIYE Remix That was a hell of a lot better intro to his talent than the other.

Puff is just the essence of CORNBALL. That's why BIG was needed because dude was just goofy. I can see why Puff thanks BIG to this day though lol

Timmy84 said:

Nah this was the first one BIG was on that got him exposure:

BIG first got attention back in 1991 on The Source as an "Unsigned Hype" artist. That's how Puffy first heard of him. BIG had been doing freestyles in Brooklyn while also working the dope scene in the same period (he started dealing at sixteen if I recall). BIG and Puff first started working together in Uptown in early 1992 before BIG turned 20.

After Dolly My Baby, BIG's first single was put on the "Who's the Man" soundtrack:

If I recall, this was right before Puffy started Bad Boy. BIG was its flagship artist. He left Uptown after they kicked Puff out because he felt he wouldn't make it without him at the time.

I love his line in "Dolly My Baby", that's where you hear him rap "I love it when you call me BIG POPPA" and it was later used for one of his big hits. I also loved his final line in the remix: "LAWD ME CAN'T TAKE IT NO MORE!"

Damn... I just realized how much I missed Big. Damn lol RIP Big.

Thanks for the correction Timmy! I knew I was forgetting something. "Who's The Man" Soundtrack is often forgetten. I rarely hear talk about it. I remember liking Mary's joint, "You Don't Have To Worry"

"Can we just all get along?

So I can put hickys on her chest like Lil Shawn"

Musicslave said:

Timmy84 said:

Nah this was the first one BIG was on that got him exposure:

BIG first got attention back in 1991 on The Source as an "Unsigned Hype" artist. That's how Puffy first heard of him. BIG had been doing freestyles in Brooklyn while also working the dope scene in the same period (he started dealing at sixteen if I recall). BIG and Puff first started working together in Uptown in early 1992 before BIG turned 20.

After Dolly My Baby, BIG's first single was put on the "Who's the Man" soundtrack:

If I recall, this was right before Puffy started Bad Boy. BIG was its flagship artist. He left Uptown after they kicked Puff out because he felt he wouldn't make it without him at the time.

I love his line in "Dolly My Baby", that's where you hear him rap "I love it when you call me BIG POPPA" and it was later used for one of his big hits. I also loved his final line in the remix: "LAWD ME CAN'T TAKE IT NO MORE!"

Damn... I just realized how much I missed Big. Damn lol RIP Big.

Thanks for the correction Timmy! I knew I was forgetting something. "Who's The Man" Soundtrack is often forgetten. I rarely hear talk about it. I remember liking Mary's joint, "You Don't Have To Worry"

"Can we just all get along?

So I can put hickys on her chest like Lil Shawn"

No prob, my favorite line comes just before that one:

"Niggaz start to loke out, a kid got choked out
Blows was thrown and a fucking fight broke out..."

Timmy84 said:

Musicslave said:

Thanks for the correction Timmy! I knew I was forgetting something. "Who's The Man" Soundtrack is often forgetten. I rarely hear talk about it. I remember liking Mary's joint, "You Don't Have To Worry"

"Can we just all get along?

So I can put hickys on her chest like Lil Shawn"

No prob, my favorite line comes just before that one:

"Niggaz start to loke out, a kid got choked out
Blows was thrown and a fucking fight broke out..."

Don't get me started on favorite lines. Hell, his entire verse on FIYE Remix is still classic to me.

Musicslave said:

Timmy84 said:

No prob, my favorite line comes just before that one:

"Niggaz start to loke out, a kid got choked out
Blows was thrown and a fucking fight broke out..."

Don't get me started on favorite lines. Hell, his entire verse on FIYE Remix is still classic to me.

lol yeah that was one of the dopest openers (after Puff) I ever heard... then Craig came in with a weak ass verse. Like it's said, he (BIG) killed his career.

Spinlight said:

Honestly, I can't decide between Ready to Die and Life After Death. LAD was so damn poignant due to his death around the release. But on top of that, its like a motherfucking rap opus with some of the most on point features ever to happen on tape. "Another" is a ballsy track, period. "Notorious Thugs" is perfect in every way.

Ready To Die, though, has a different kind of hunger and voice on it. It's not as paranoid as LAD is either. The beats are second to none and his rhymes are simply perfect - "Juicy" set the standard for storytellers, people. If it ain't for Biggie, Jay-Z wouldn't have a damn career. If it ain't for Biggie, where would Nas be? Sorry, they are extremely talented men but they had the way paved by Biggie's insane success.

Bad Boy INVENTED that R&B/rap blend style of which both Hov and Nas have both dipped into heavily, as well.

DAMNNNN spin

But the reason i made the thread was to figure out why people from there opinons think Biggie is great & i have to say this thread turned out good.

I got pretty good reasons why people love the guy & yesterday i decided to take a re-listen to Life After Death...

I really can't say i think Biggie is still one of the all time greatest for me, but i do like the album a lot to this day still.

Inspite of his overated producer, Biggie was incredible while he was alive. Not sure why peeps acting like it was his death that mad him great. His lyrics and flow were hypnotic. His Story telling was up there with Cube and Slick Rick. Dude was an excellent rapper and really would have loved to hear a few more albums from him...Shame on it all. Will go listen to 'Sky's the Limit' now.

BTW

What ever happened to Mase?, i keep hearing Puffy screwed him over not long after no Way Out came out.

What is the true story on that?

legendofnothing said:

Inspite of his overated producer, Biggie was incredible while he was alive. Not sure why peeps acting like it was his death that mad him great. His lyrics and flow were hypnotic. His Story telling was up there with Cube and Slick Rick. Dude was an excellent rapper and really would have loved to hear a few more albums from him...Shame on it all. Will go listen to 'Sky's the Limit' now.

You will notice that the only people saying that stupid shit are too young to have been cognizant when Big was alive.

This thread has like half fakers up in it, the rest at least know Biggie's music.

Gunsnhalen said:

BTW

What ever happened to Mase?, i keep hearing Puffy screwed him over not long after no Way Out came out.

What is the true story on that?

You know I have much love for you, Guns, lol. But you trip me out with this thread!

As far as Mase - He left the business and became a preacher. Then maybe a few years ago, he was supposed to make a big comeback. Didn't really take off. I don't think there was too much interest in a rapper-gone-soft.

Edit: Not to mention, Mase already had been the butt of hella jokes since he was remembered as being up there with Puff in those reflective suits, waving their hands around in the fisheye lens and looking straight stupid.

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Spinlight said:

legendofnothing said:

Inspite of his overated producer, Biggie was incredible while he was alive. Not sure why peeps acting like it was his death that mad him great. His lyrics and flow were hypnotic. His Story telling was up there with Cube and Slick Rick. Dude was an excellent rapper and really would have loved to hear a few more albums from him...Shame on it all. Will go listen to 'Sky's the Limit' now.

You will notice that the only people saying that stupid shit are too young to have been cognizant when Big was alive.

This thread has like half fakers up in it, the rest at least know Biggie's music.

You need to calm down.

Its really not that serious

And your the one acting young and acting as if their is only ONE opinion. You think BIG is the greatest rapper ever, fine thats YOUR OPINION....there some that dont agree with that and that is OKAY.

mjscarousal said:

Spinlight said:

You will notice that the only people saying that stupid shit are too young to have been cognizant when Big was alive.

This thread has like half fakers up in it, the rest at least know Biggie's music.

You need to calm down.

Its really not that serious

And your the one acting young and acting as if their is only ONE opinion. You think BIG is the greatest rapper ever, fine thats YOUR OPINION....there some that dont agree with that and that is OKAY.

You don't know shit. Sit the fuck down.

Spinlight said:

Gunsnhalen said:

BTW

What ever happened to Mase?, i keep hearing Puffy screwed him over not long after no Way Out came out.

What is the true story on that?

You know I have much love for you, Guns, lol. But you trip me out with this thread!

As far as Mase - He left the business and became a preacher. Then maybe a few years ago, he was supposed to make a big comeback. Didn't really take off. I don't think there was too much interest in a rapper-gone-soft.

Edit: Not to mention, Mase already had been the butt of hella jokes since he was remembered as being up there with Puff in those reflective suits, waving their hands around in the fisheye lens and looking straight stupid.

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lol, i got love for you to spin so don't think i am going off the deep end.

I heard he became a preacher, but i keep hearing rumors that puff stole from him & this & that.

But him just never taking off makes more sense

Mase was always a scrub lol