Timmy84 said:

Gunsnhalen said:

How did this simple bitch get racists out of that

Steven brought up Dylan because of his raspy signing voice…not because he’s white & you’re black.

If he said it to Mariah no one would probably care

[Edited 11/30/12 16:09pm]

It also shows you how much of a IQ the media has almost taking up for Minaj's garbage ass.

From watching a few talk shows using this story for a "Hot Topic", most talking heads (particularly black folks) were giving this kid the side eye for calling the Race Card: it came out of left field and was against nothing, and anyone either A) Over a certain age, or B) With half a brain could see she's just being self-absorbed and/or manipulative by saying what she did against Tyler. I think she just made herself look stupid rather than endear herself to the masses as the victim she was trying to cast herself as.

She just tried to do the same thing with Barbara Walters over the Mariah Carey debacle, insinuating Barbara would never hear her side of that story because she is black- an therefore not good enough to be on the show. Forget about the fact that Mariah (in her married old age) self-identifies as a black woman, a left wing black woman moderates Barbara's show, a black Christian sits in the center, and she has black actors, athletes, authors, singers, politicians, on the show every week.

Nicki Minaj basically is coming off like Chicken Little at this point, screaming the sky is falling every 5 minutes with her cries of racism. It irritates me because there are people who really are facing overt or subtle corporate racism in this world and she's making a mockery of the issue by being self-serving. Now when she really faces discrimination one day in this super elite financial/ social strata she's now a part of, no one's going to believe her because she's cried wolf so many times--- and it will be her own fault that no one will give her moans and groans the time of day.

alphastreet said:

Timmy84 said:

I don't agree with that. I don't buy it. Sorry.

To each their own then

I actually saw all of the quotes and rants in question and quite honestly, Minaj tried to make a scandal out of something that wasn't even there. I'm old (and a black woman), and I can tell you that "cornfield" phrase is an old one that basically represents a young spoiled, narcissist ready and willing to obliterate anything or anyone they don't like off the face of the earth by "sending them to the (metaphorical) cornfield". It's a 1960's term that came from the show "The Twilight Zone"- about a bratty ass kid in a small group of people in town who wanted everything to revolve around him, and because he had special powers, the minute something about someone wouldn't appeal to him, or if he felt challenged by them, his evil ass didn't want to be bothered and would banish folks to the cornfield. Sounds like she fits the bill to me.

Sorry, but there's no racist connotation there. Nicki is just young and dumb in this respect, with an obviously limited knowledge of pop culture that existed before she was born.

Ottensen said:

Timmy84 said:

It also shows you how much of a IQ the media has almost taking up for Minaj's garbage ass.

From watching a few talk shows using this story for a "Hot Topic", most talking heads (particularly black folks) were giving this kid the side eye for calling the Race Card: it came out of left field and was against nothing, and anyone either A) Over a certain age, or B) With half a brain could see she's just being self-absorbed and/or manipulative by saying what she did against Tyler. I think she just made herself look stupid rather than endear herself to the masses as the victim she was trying to cast herself as.

She just tried to do the same thing with Barbara Walters over the Mariah Carey debacle, insinuating Barbara would never hear her side of that story because she is black- an therefore not good enough to be on the show. Forget about the fact that Mariah (in her married old age) self-identifies as a black woman, a left wing black woman moderates Barbara's show, a black Christian sits in the center, and she has black actors, athletes, authors, singers, politicians, on the show every week.

Nicki Minaj basically is coming off like Chicken Little at this point, screaming the sky is falling every 5 minutes with her cries of racism. It irritates me because there are people who really are facing overt or subtle corporate racism in this world and she's making a mockery of the issue by being self-serving. Now when she really faces discrimination one day in this super elite financial/ social strata she's now a part of, no one's going to believe her because she's cried wolf so many times--- and it will be her own fault that no one will give her moans and groans the time of day.

and the thing is that Nicki probably knows less about "real racism" then Steven does, Steven was part of bands in the 60's and tours in the 70's where still certain artists couldnt be on a bill depending on the town you were in. Steven came from a time when it was UNHEARD of to have a Rap artist with a WHITE rock artist. And her playing the race card to me shows her own "thinking in colors" racist way herself. And that MARIAH thing was insanity considering MARIAH's background and the fact that being mixed she suffered alot of shit that Nicki never even experienced in her life, shit MARIAH's house was almost burnt as a child because of the racism towards a mixed marriage, did Nicki ever experience that? i really hope that more people point this out to her IN THE MEDIA and take this clown down to earth, instead of giving her a pedastol to speak on.

Ottensen said:

alphastreet said:

To each their own then

I actually saw all of the quotes and rants in question and quite honestly, Minaj tried to make a scandal out of something that wasn't even there. I'm old (and a black woman), and I can tell you that "cornfield" phrase is an old one that basically represents a young spoiled, narcissist ready and willing to obliterate anything or anyone they don't like off the face of the earth by "sending them to the (metaphorical) cornfield". It's a 1960's term that came from the show "The Twilight Zone"- about a bratty ass kid in a small group of people in town who wanted everything to revolve around him, and because he had special powers, the minute something about someone wouldn't appeal to him, or if he felt challenged by them, his evil ass didn't want to be bothered and would banish folks to the cornfield. Sounds like she fits the bill to me.

Sorry, but there's no racist connotation there. Nicki is just young and dumb in this respect, with an obviously limited knowledge of pop culture that existed before she was born.

exactly she siezed an opportunity to make a scandal, and used the race card to do it, If steven was saying ANYTHING here, what he was saying was that there is a HUGE age gap here and knowledge GAP too and I TOTALLY agree with him, i have yet to see a judge for the most part point out anything relevant to making someone an ARTIST and YES he is right that Bob Dylan would be kicked off, and YES Bob dylan today would never get a deal either, thats his point, NICKI needs to look up what A Racist is, or go back in time to the 60's and see what racism did, before she opens up her mouth again.

I was waiting for someone to post this. I respect Nicki as a hip-hop artist but that's about it. I think her stylist has woven her pink/blonde hairweave too tight.

I read Steven Tyler's views against racism years ago in E! magazine. He said when he was younger he was constantly called racial names (about his lips) and he actually used to get into fist fights over it. He said he will not tolerate racism in any form.

He's done nothing but praise the blues, old school R&B, Motown, Sly, James Brown and Prince over the years. So I seriously doubt he's a racist.

Nicki's managment needs to keep a tight grip on her and tell her to keep her mouth shut.

She's delusional, and she has no idea what racism is.

Tyler may not have intended to be "racist" with that stupid comment, however it was indeed discriminatory, no matter how people keep lambasting Minaj's understandable, yet misdirected response: He didn't disrespect her because she's Black, but rather because she's a rapper.

By singling out Minaj only, he was surely implying that since she's a Hip-Hop artist, she is musically limited and does not have the ability to discern between various types of singing talent of other genres. If that wasn't what he meant, then why did he not mention Keith Urban or anyone else as being incapable of selecting a vocalist like some odd Bob Dylan? Therefore his statement is a form of prejudice, and is an idiotic stereotype many like him uphold.

Ottensen said:

Timmy84 said:

It also shows you how much of a IQ the media has almost taking up for Minaj's garbage ass.

From watching a few talk shows using this story for a "Hot Topic", most talking heads (particularly black folks) were giving this kid the side eye for calling the Race Card: it came out of left field and was against nothing, and anyone either A) Over a certain age, or B) With half a brain could see she's just being self-absorbed and/or manipulative by saying what she did against Tyler. I think she just made herself look stupid rather than endear herself to the masses as the victim she was trying to cast herself as.

She just tried to do the same thing with Barbara Walters over the Mariah Carey debacle, insinuating Barbara would never hear her side of that story because she is black- an therefore not good enough to be on the show. Forget about the fact that Mariah (in her married old age) self-identifies as a black woman, a left wing black woman moderates Barbara's show, a black Christian sits in the center, and she has black actors, athletes, authors, singers, politicians, on the show every week.

Nicki Minaj basically is coming off like Chicken Little at this point, screaming the sky is falling every 5 minutes with her cries of racism. It irritates me because there are people who really are facing overt or subtle corporate racism in this world and she's making a mockery of the issue by being self-serving. Now when she really faces discrimination one day in this super elite financial/ social strata she's now a part of, no one's going to believe her because she's cried wolf so many times--- and it will be her own fault that no one will give her moans and groans the time of day.

Exactly.

WaterInYourBath said:

Tyler may not have intended to be "racist" with that stupid comment, however it was indeed discriminatory, no matter how people keep lambasting Minaj's understandable, yet misdirected response: He didn't disrespect her because she's Black, but rather because she's a rapper.

By singling out Minaj only, he was surely implying that since she's a Hip-Hop artist, she is musically limited and does not have the ability to discern between various types of singing talent of other genres. If that wasn't what he meant, then why did he not mention Keith Urban or anyone else as being incapable of selecting a vocalist like some odd Bob Dylan? Therefore his statement is a form of prejudice, and is an idiotic stereotype many like him uphold.

interesting, thats a possible perspective as well

The statement he made although not intended to disrespectful can be looked at in many different angles. Everyones take on it is a possibility but I still personally think he was not trying to be racist with it.

Nicki Minaj IS a self-absorbed and manipulative person. I'm mad at her for minimizing racism for what amounted to hurt feelings over criticism she deserved. I'm happy Steven Tyler said that. Steven Tyler is far from racist. He has contributed greatly to many efforts for example to preserve the Rhythm and Blues Foundation and is involved with Soul-Patrol.com

I never watched American Idol and I can never understand why people choose to watch Britney Spears and Nicki Minaj on these shows giving critiques of contestants when they are musically limited, if not more than amateurs.

"Everyone's take on it is a possibilty but I still personally think he was not trying to be racist with it".

I can agree with that. Steven Tyler and Aerosmith's career (really) came back because of RUN DMC and he gave them props most of the time because of that. He may not be a big hip-hop fan, but I've never heard him trash it like other rock stars have.

The "Chicken Little" statement is comical. If she really wants to experience racism upfront, then she should go to (her boy) Mitt Romney's house for dinner. She would probably stop supporting him after that.

SPYZFAN1 said:

"Everyone's take on it is a possibilty but I still personally think he was not trying to be racist with it".

I can agree with that. Steven Tyler and Aerosmith's career (really) came back because of RUN DMC and he gave them props most of the time because of that. He may not be a big hip-hop fan, but I've never heard him trash it like other rock stars have.

The "Chicken Little" statement is comical. If she really wants to experience racism upfront, then she should go to (her boy) Mitt Romney's house for dinner. She would probably stop supporting him after that.

Right!

because things can be interpreted differently by many people. I dont think the man was being racis or intended it to be but its possible someone could find alot of different meanings from his statement obviously.

To be honest, all these shows American Idol, X factor should have a career year limit for these singers who are judges.

[Edited 12/1/12 9:14am]

This thing will die down by next week if it hasn't already...

I think Steven didn't have to apologize to begin with

I mean, she's a stupid hoe who cares bout what brainless hoes say?

Timmy84 said:

Didn't she also threaten to shoot Mariah Carey? Yeah who would believe anything that dummy says?

Nicki is that is for sure.

you know i like Nicki but i didnt get anything racist from Steven Tyler's comment, however if Paula Abdul and JLo can judge a singing contest i don't see why Nicki can't. but she's right he hasnt seen her judge one person yet so why would he comment about who she would not like.. But Tyler has since apologize for his comments that made her upset..

Ottensen said:

alphastreet said:

To each their own then

I actually saw all of the quotes and rants in question and quite honestly, Minaj tried to make a scandal out of something that wasn't even there. I'm old (and a black woman), and I can tell you that "cornfield" phrase is an old one that basically represents a young spoiled, narcissist ready and willing to obliterate anything or anyone they don't like off the face of the earth by "sending them to the (metaphorical) cornfield". It's a 1960's term that came from the show "The Twilight Zone"- about a bratty ass kid in a small group of people in town who wanted everything to revolve around him, and because he had special powers, the minute something about someone wouldn't appeal to him, or if he felt challenged by them, his evil ass didn't want to be bothered and would banish folks to the cornfield. Sounds like she fits the bill to me.

Sorry, but there's no racist connotation there. Nicki is just young and dumb in this respect, with an obviously limited knowledge of pop culture that existed before she was born.

Yep, you nailed it. Nothing to do with race or her being a rapper.

babynoz said:

Ottensen said:

I actually saw all of the quotes and rants in question and quite honestly, Minaj tried to make a scandal out of something that wasn't even there. I'm old (and a black woman), and I can tell you that "cornfield" phrase is an old one that basically represents a young spoiled, narcissist ready and willing to obliterate anything or anyone they don't like off the face of the earth by "sending them to the (metaphorical) cornfield". It's a 1960's term that came from the show "The Twilight Zone"- about a bratty ass kid in a small group of people in town who wanted everything to revolve around him, and because he had special powers, the minute something about someone wouldn't appeal to him, or if he felt challenged by them, his evil ass didn't want to be bothered and would banish folks to the cornfield. Sounds like she fits the bill to me.

Sorry, but there's no racist connotation there. Nicki is just young and dumb in this respect, with an obviously limited knowledge of pop culture that existed before she was born.

Yep, you nailed it. Nothing to do with race or her being a rapper.

And all to do with her being an illiterate drama queen.

Good lord, I read this wrong. I thought it said, "Nicki Minaj calls Steven Tyler a rapist."

Timmy84 said:

lastdecember said:

Oh i dont doubt alot of her twitter followers are saying that Steven Tyler is a racist (if they know who he is anyway) but its not so much pathetic that she played the race card to of all people steven tyler, its the fact the she tosses a word like racist around like its a nickname, shit i would sue her for slander, that is a very libelious statement in my eyes.

I sued her for all she had if I was Steven lol

If he sued her, he'd probably only get those god awful wigs she's always wearing. I know they're expensive and she's got a ton of them. That girl must have either no hair at all or the healthiest head of hair on the planet because we never see it. I just stare at her and wonder how much of her is still real because she really is just as fake as a Barbie doll. After watching her little documentary on E!, I realize that she's basically a whiner and brat. God forbid someone should disagree with her or critique her because she will throw a temper tantrum like a 5 year old.

I interpreted Steven's statement to mean that he feels Nicki would put more importance on image than music quality and since Bob Dylan has never been image driven, she'd get rid of him before seeing his true potential. Unfortunately, that can be said for most new artists nowadays because most of them are image driven. This is the era of people buying music with their eyes not their ears and that's why there are soo many mediocre singers with flashy images and weak songs with shit lyrics. So sad. That's why I'll forever support Adele because she is far from these twits and has proven that quality music should be the only important thing above all else.

bashraka said:

Nicki Minaj IS a self-absorbed and manipulative person. I'm mad at her for minimizing racism for what amounted to hurt feelings over criticism she deserved. I'm happy Steven Tyler said that. Steven Tyler is far from racist. He has contributed greatly to many efforts for example to preserve the Rhythm and Blues Foundation and is involved with Soul-Patrol.com

I never watched American Idol and I can never understand why people choose to watch Britney Spears and Nicki Minaj on these shows giving critiques of contestants when they are musically limited, if not more than amateurs.

How do you know that? No one here has seen Minaj judge on American Idol yet, as it has not aired anywhere. And she has never held a panel position like this before on television that you can base your agreement with Tyler on. But you can still already determine he's correct, and that she should be criticized for a job you haven't viewed her perform. Right.

Just like Tyler, the majority of you are speaking against Minaj when you really don't even know what you're talking about, for whatever biases. Her enacted loony image and rap style may or may not reflect her actual acumen in regards to music, and that won't be revealed until January.

I'm sure she'll just be itching to prove people wrong, which is what she should do rather than instantly brand someone as a racist. We all make brash judgements and I think Steven Tyler's judgement on her ability to mentor and judge certain performers outside of her preferred genre is more to do with the fact that she hasn't been in the industry for too long. Just like Demi Lovato on The X-Factor.

He surely singled out Minaj for that reason as I don't think he said anything about Mariah or Jennifer Lopez. Even Paula Abdul had nearly 20 years of experience in the industry when she joined AI.

[Edited 12/2/12 5:03am]

Ellie said:

I'm sure she'll just be itching to prove people wrong, which is what she should do rather than instantly brand someone as a racist. We all make brash judgements and I think Steven Tyler's judgement on her ability to mentor and judge certain performers outside of her preferred genre is more to do with the fact that she hasn't been in the industry for too long. Just like Demi Lovato on The X-Factor.

He surely singled out Minaj for that reason as I don't think he said anything about Mariah or Jennifer Lopez. Even Paula Abdul had nearly 20 years of experience in the industry when she joined AI.

[Edited 12/2/12 5:03am]

I agree with your statement 100%. Out of all the reality singing shows, Nicki is really the newest to the music scene and that's factual evidence whether people like her or not. How is she to tell a hopeful what to do in their musical careers when her own career was just thrust into the spotlight in less than a 2 year time?

I've seen old pictures of her prior to all her enhancements and with hip-hop artists so I think she may have been in the background of the music industry before her new chart-topping success but she's still really green to being a superstar herself when you place her on a panel of judges who have been huge figures in the industry for well over a decade by this point. Even Demi Lovato has been in the industry longer than Nicki so I'd find her more credible but that's just me. She may turn out to be an outstanding judge which I hope happens so she doesn't look like an even bigger fool.

My only real issue with her rant is that she dramatically made a mountain out of a mole hill because she overthinks things and makes herself the victim. This annoys me when anyone does it, whether famous or not. Her exaggeration on his statement was really uncalled for with her giving him such an awful and disrespectful moniker. She's obviously never met a true racist. Trust me, Steven ain't no where near a racist from what I've seen of him over the years. If he was a racist, he wouldn't have done AI because of Randy Jackson and Jennifer Lopez...both different ethnicities from himself. Racists don't pick favorites like that honey. That's like calling someone 'retarded' when they do something really stupid or foolish or calling someone 'ignorant' because they are misinformed or unknowlegeable on a topic. Words do have power and she should have throught about that word before throwing it out so freely. Someone really needs to knock her off of her little soap box and not apologize to her for it.

[Edited 12/2/12 9:44am]