MickyDolenz said:

Timmy84 said:

Good point. In fact, I think they cut Vincent's second verse when Michael's singing "I'm gonna thrill ya tonight..." before bringing him back up again. The lyric sheet definitely was unedited but the album itself was. Strange. Guess they didn't have time. I heard that CBS was actually proud with the original album and wanted to put it out but Michael said "no I'm not ready yet" and re-recorded everything in ONE day, which as it turned out was the final date of recording.

The album art was probably already printed and it costs a lot of money to just trash them, so Epic just used them and then changed it for later pressings.

I've heard that Say Say Say was actually recorded before The Girl Is Mine. I'm not sure about The Man.

I read both Say Say Say and The Man were recorded a year prior to The Girl is Mine so MJ and Paul were recording hat far back. I wonder if The Girl is Mine was originally a solo track. I'm guessing Michael thought Paul would do wonders on TGIM and got him to do it.

MickyDolenz said:

Timmy84 said:

Good point. In fact, I think they cut Vincent's second verse when Michael's singing "I'm gonna thrill ya tonight..." before bringing him back up again. The lyric sheet definitely was unedited but the album itself was. Strange. Guess they didn't have time. I heard that CBS was actually proud with the original album and wanted to put it out but Michael said "no I'm not ready yet" and re-recorded everything in ONE day, which as it turned out was the final date of recording.

The album art was probably already printed and it costs a lot of money to just trash them, so Epic just used them and then changed it for later pressings.

I've heard that Say Say Say was actually recorded before The Girl Is Mine. I'm not sure about The Man.

http://en.wikipedia.org/w...ay_Say_Say

"Say Say Say" is a pop single written and performed by Paul McCartney and Michael Jackson. The track was produced by George Martin for McCartney's fifth solo album, Pipes of Peace (1983). The song was recorded during production of McCartney's 1982 Tug of War album, about a year before the release of "The Girl Is Mine", the pair's first duet from Jackson's album Thriller (1982). After its release in October 1983, "Say Say Say" became Jackson's seventh top-ten hit inside a year.

Timmy84 said:

MickyDolenz said:

The album art was probably already printed and it costs a lot of money to just trash them, so Epic just used them and then changed it for later pressings.

I've heard that Say Say Say was actually recorded before The Girl Is Mine. I'm not sure about The Man.

I read both Say Say Say and The Man were recorded a year prior to The Girl is Mine so MJ and Paul were recording hat far back. I wonder if The Girl is Mine was originally a solo track. I'm guessing Michael thought Paul would do wonders on TGIM and got him to do it.

I think so. There is a demo of TGIM with Michael doing both parts

aardvark15 said:

Timmy84 said:

I read both Say Say Say and The Man were recorded a year prior to The Girl is Mine so MJ and Paul were recording hat far back. I wonder if The Girl is Mine was originally a solo track. I'm guessing Michael thought Paul would do wonders on TGIM and got him to do it.

I think so. There is a demo of TGIM with Michael doing both parts

I meant to say did Michael intended to release it solo or just include it as a duet later on?

I know of the demo because I've heard it for years but I still wonder if he intended it to be a duet which is what I was trying to say.

Thanks carousal

I love the girl is mine demo, it's beautiful.

Timmy84 said:

I know of the demo because I've heard it for years but I still wonder if he intended it to be a duet which is what I was trying to say.

Well, the Paul parts wouldn't make a lot of sense as a solo song.

Someone mentioned Shalamar earlier. Howard Hewitt sang background on P.Y.T. and also some songs on Janet's debut album and Heart Don't Lie by LaToya. Jeffrey was in the Bad video.

George Martin & Paul

MickyDolenz said:

Timmy84 said:

I know of the demo because I've heard it for years but I still wonder if he intended it to be a duet which is what I was trying to say.

Well, the Paul parts wouldn't make a lot of sense as a solo song.

Someone mentioned Shalamar earlier. Howard Hewitt sang background on P.Y.T. and also some songs on Janet's debut album and Heart Don't Lie by LaToya. Jeffrey was in the Bad video.

George Martin & Paul

Yeah. I guess he always intended Paul to sing it lol Hewett definitely was on PYT.

I can't believe it's been 5 years since the Special 25th Edition!!! TIME FLIES!

after all is said and done, Thriller was a success because the song were PURE SOLID GOLD

Thriller : GOOD pop music

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alphastreet said:

Thanks carousal

I love the girl is mine demo, it's beautiful.

Better than what they put on the album, in my opinion. The original version had many of those elements that I love about the soul / pop music from that era. It's a shame they felt the need to simplify it (dumb it down, really) for the album.

I am really enjoying this thread.

novabrkr said:

alphastreet said:

Thanks carousal

I love the girl is mine demo, it's beautiful.

Better than what they put on the album, in my opinion. The original version had many of those elements that I love about the soul / pop music from that era. It's a shame they felt the need to simplify it (dumb it down, really) for the album.

I love both versions.....the demo and the official release

I always thought it was awesome, plus the song reach# 1 on the r&b charts

how ironic.....considering the song is supposed to be viewed as a "pop record"

I believe the official release was the best choice considering the fact Michael and McCartney played off of each other's verses

the problem is, soul/r&b music has been marginalized over the course of time, because full cultural expression has been stifled and limited, which has stunted creativity because everything is geared towards incorporating the commercialization of hip-hop, which ironically, depends on sampling genuine r&b music to thrive

as a result,

in 1982, all urban radio stations play this song continously

if this song was released in 2012, I doubt urban radio support this record

Ok I know I'm late with following up on my question, but can somebody post the song(s) that inspired the Billie Jean bass line?

Thanks!

Terrib3Towel said:

Ok I know I'm late with following up on my question, but can somebody post the song(s) that inspired the Billie Jean bass line?

Thanks!

Allegedly:

Both versions of TGIM are amazing. MJs vocals flawless...

Terrib3Towel said:

Ok I know I'm late with following up on my question, but can somebody post the song(s) that inspired the Billie Jean bass line?

Thanks!

remove the strings, the horns, and guitar riffs.........

http://www.youtube.com/wa...3b9gOtQoq4

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Studio rehearsals for TGIM:

Correction on the song that used or interpolated Rick James' Give It to Me, it wasn't Beat It, it was Thriller.

Terrib3Towel said:

Ok I know I'm late with following up on my question, but can somebody post the song(s) that inspired the Billie Jean bass line?

Thanks!

Some of the arguements on where the Billie Jean bass line allegedly came from are... I dunno guesses I dont completely agree with them. I can hear the similiarity though in the song (possibly could be a influence dont think so though but anything is possible ),here is another take. In these footages MJ talks about how he made the bassline.

He starts talking about Billie Jean toward the end of this video

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alphastreet said:

Thanks carousal

I love the girl is mine demo, it's beautiful.

It captured what I was trying to say or thought I said

His music trascended all barriers and genres which is hardly the case for any typical pop star. One of the reasons why I love and admire him is the experimentation he did with other genres and always trying to out do his creative past ventures. His done many things that one label can not be called for it unlike most one dimensional pop stars of today. He can easily be called alot of different things in the genre world but the KOP is more fitting since he captured all of that and more with his vision, music videos and contributions to not only pop music but pop culture.

Oh and I LOVE pop music, my favorite artist is a pop star I just cant stand bad POP music particular the shit we have to listen to TODAY on the radio.

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The Girl Is Mine single cover

Beat It single cover

PYT single cover

Human Nature single cover

Billie Jean single cover- wasnt to sure about this one.. I think its the single cover

WBSS single cover

I recently made a pinterest on all MJ albums and singles ironically

I thought that the cover for the single "The girl is mine" - this is a horrible picture, where Michael and Paul hold hands.

LiLi1992 said:

I thought that the cover for the single "The girl is mine" - this is a horrible picture, where Michael and Paul hold hands.

That's Say Say Say

aardvark15 said:

LiLi1992 said:

I thought that the cover for the single "The girl is mine" - this is a horrible picture, where Michael and Paul hold hands.

That's Say Say Say

Ooooh, right, my mistake ...
Gay, gay, gay.

Those covers, my goodness...

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LiLi1992 said:

aardvark15 said:

That's Say Say Say

Ooooh, right, my mistake ...
Gay, gay, gay.

The artist had a vivid imagination...

I wonder what exactly the boys wanted to say through this cover?

Although I love the song and I love the video .... so stunningly funny.

LiLi1992 said:

I wonder what exactly the boys wanted to say through this cover?

Although I love the song and I love the video .... so stunningly funny.

Like I said, the artist who drew them like that had a vivid imagination, you couldn't get away with an image like that in 2012 going on 2013.

I can see why they cut a video for Say Say Say though instead of The Girl is Mine. Michael himself probably thought "nah three's good enough, more than that is overdoing it" and two of them were songs of his own making though he had big input on how he wanted to make the "Thriller" video though. But the rest of the songs were good enough without a video with the exception of "Wanna Be Startin' Somethin'". That's the only other one I wished he made a video for... could you have imagined it?