MickyDolenz said:

mjscarousal said:

Michael was the FIRST to turn the music video/short firm into a artform and not an abstract collage of things that had nothing to do with the song or anything

This Genesis video came out in 1976 and it follows the song lyrics:

Here's a Neil Sadaka scopitone (early music video) from 1961, and it also follows the lyrics:

So does this June Richmond soundie from 1945:

This is War's Lowrider video from 1975:

So Mike is not the first act to make videos that were about the song.

Michael himself said his videos were actually homages to the musicals, which itself had a series of mini music videos whenever it was played on TV by itself. Elvis' clip included.

Graycap23 said:

Mj was NOT a producer.

Of course he was not a producer in the first place, but he could solo produce a great track ....
what you mean by the word "producer" concerning musical artists then?

Graycap23 said:

LiLi1992 said:

He was Not one of the greatest, but really good

Mj was NOT a producer.

You are a fav poster of mines here Gray but you are straight drinking a big bottle of hatarade with this topic.

Why do you have problems excepting that Michael could produce/writer an entire song by himself. His even produced for other artists

MickyDolenz said:

Timmy84 said:

I've heard this years ago but how did he help in making MTV happen when it did?

From what I understand, Mike came up with the idea for an all music video network and sold it to Warner Brothers. But he didn't create MTV itself.

Ah I see...

'Billie Jean' has one of the best bass lines in music history.

Who created it? Some say MJ did, others say Quincy did.

Who did?? I wanna know dammit!

MICHAEL JACKSON WAS A GIFT FROM GOD THERE WILL NEVER BE ANOTHER LIKE HIM, HE COULD DO EVERYTHING!

He even was a exceptional drawer/painter

I have to get on my MJ fan thing for a minute: Michael was a producer. I think if a demo sounds as similar to the released song, you produced it. Michael produced The Girl is Mine, Billie Jean and Wanna Be Startin' Somethin' with Quincy and neither song really differentiate from the demos. Whereas songs like Beat It and PYT were actually done in a very different way on the demo. Quincy didn't think the original PYT would be a hit so he brought in a new version courtesy of James Ingram, who practically wrote and composed the entire song (Quincy only got credit as writer due to giving it its title of Pretty Young Thing rather than PYT).

Terrib3Towel said:

'Billie Jean' has one of the best bass lines in music history.

Who created it? Some say MJ did, others say Quincy did.

Who did?? I wanna know dammit!

Michael did. Quincy HATED Billie Jean.

Timmy84 said:

I have to get on my MJ fan thing for a minute: Michael was a producer. I think if a demo sounds as similar to the released song, you produced it. Michael produced The Girl is Mine, Billie Jean and Wanna Be Startin' Somethin' with Quincy and neither song really differentiate from the demos. Whereas songs like Beat It and PYT were actually done in a very different way on the demo. Quincy didn't think the original PYT would be a hit so he brought in a new version courtesy of James Ingram, who practically wrote and composed the entire song (Quincy only got credit as writer due to giving it its title of Pretty Young Thing rather than PYT).

Preach it Timmy

Michael created the base line for Billie Jean... he was such a damn genius AMAZING!!!

Terrib3Towel said:

'Billie Jean' has one of the best bass lines in music history.

Who created it? Some say MJ did, others say Quincy did.

Who did?? I wanna know dammit!

Hall and Oates did.

Yall some haters on this Prince site...

Cant never have a interesting and enlightening discussion because folks here lack to be open minded and already have their minds made on what THEY want to believe or think despite facts supporting what is being stated.

Your thread is gonna get locked! If you're gonna post something about MJ, do it in his thead, not your own!

mjscarousal said:

Yall some haters on this Prince site...

Cant never have a interesting and enlightening discussion because folks here lack to be open minded and already have their minds made on what THEY want to believe or think despite facts supporting what is being stated.

stop stannin geeze

MJ said he ripped I Cant Go For That before..he really liked HnO I Cant Go For That bassline and extended intro..hence Billy Jean.

JabarR74 said:

Your thread is gonna get locked! If you're gonna post something about MJ, do it in his thead, not your own!

Yes, but its a party, while the moderators do not come.

Thriller - a milestone in the history and deserves a separate thread.

LiLi1992 said:

JabarR74 said:

Your thread is gonna get locked! If you're gonna post something about MJ, do it in his thead, not your own!

Yes, but its a party, while the moderators do not come.

Thriller - a milestone in the history and deserves a separate thread.

Thriller saved the music induistry in 82-83. It was failing big time until that one blew up and brought all walks of life back into the record stores.

LiLi1992 said:

JabarR74 said:

Your thread is gonna get locked! If you're gonna post something about MJ, do it in his thead, not your own!

Yes, but its a party, while the moderators do not come.

Thriller - a milestone in the history and deserves a separate thread.

I agree.

If the threads are music related like this thread is I think its unnessary for the sticky. I think the sticky should just be for other MJ personal news/gossip but if its a MJ song or relates to his music I dont see why people cant discuss it outside the sticky. Obviously people here like talking about his music.

mjscarousal said:

Graycap23 said:

Mj was NOT a producer.

You are a fav poster of mines here Gray but you are straight drinking a big bottle of hatarade with this topic.

Why do you have problems excepting that Michael could produce/writer an entire song by himself. His even produced for other artists

Lol.....I have nothing 2 lose or gain by my statement.

mjscarousal said:

Can't never have a interesting and enlightening discussion because folks here lack to be open minded and already have their minds made on what THEY want to believe or think despite facts supporting what is being stated.

I didn't say anything that was "hateful" about Mike, but you're saying he was the first to do something, when I posted that others had already done it. It's like folks saying Elvis Presley invented rock and roll or the Wright brothers were the first to fly, when that wasn't the case. 'Popularizing' and 'inventing' something is not necessarily the same thing.

LiLi1992 said:

JabarR74 said:

Your thread is gonna get locked! If you're gonna post something about MJ, do it in his thead, not your own!

Yes, but its a party, while the moderators do not come.

Thriller - a milestone in the history and deserves a separate thread.

No, it does not! Don't say I didn't warn you!

rdhull said:

mjscarousal said:

Yall some haters on this Prince site...

Cant never have a interesting and enlightening discussion because folks here lack to be open minded and already have their minds made on what THEY want to believe or think despite facts supporting what is being stated.

stop stannin geeze

MJ said he ripped I Cant Go For That before..he really liked HnO I Cant Go For That bassline and extended intro..hence Billy Jean.

You are nuts, people here insisting the man didnt produce any songs and people have consistently posted songs that he has produced BY HIMSELF but despite that people still insist he hasnt produced anything by himself and then you ridiculously imply someone else came up with the baseline for Billie Jean

No, you can have all the seats, sit down

[Edited 11/30/12 13:08pm]

MickyDolenz said:

mjscarousal said:

Can't never have a interesting and enlightening discussion because folks here lack to be open minded and already have their minds made on what THEY want to believe or think despite facts supporting what is being stated.

I didn't say anything that was "hateful" about Mike, but you're saying he was the first to do something, when I posted that others had already done it. It's like folks saying Elvis Presley invented rock and roll or the Wright brothers were the first to fly, when that wasn't the case. 'Popularizing' and 'inventing' something is not necessarily the same thing.

When did I say that MJ invented music videos? I have consistently stated he popularized music videos. HOWEVER, he did enhance it and innovated the short film. NONE of that was being done before his time, period.

Please post videos of who was doing that? And please dont use collages of videos that were labeled music videos. Show me cohesive, choregraphed story plot videos since you are suggesting that was being done before Michaels time.

I love how MJ and Q took inspiration from The Knack's My Sharona to create Beat It and of course Michael added something extra with the intro. I haven't seen anyone discuss that song as much as they did Billie Jean except when it came to adding Eddie Van Halen and that "knock knock" sound before Eddie's solo.

mjscarousal said:

rdhull said:

stop stannin geeze

MJ said he ripped I Cant Go For That before..he really liked HnO I Cant Go For That bassline and extended intro..hence Billy Jean.

You are nuts, people here insisting the man didnt produce any songs and people have consistently posted songs that he has produced BY HIMSELF but despite that people still insist he hasnt produced anything by himself and then you ridiculously imply someone else came up with the baseline for Billie Jean

No, you can have all the seats, sit down

[Edited 11/30/12 13:08pm]

I dont deny he produced some singles etc. But the BJ bass was inspired from Hall and Oates.

rdhull said:

mjscarousal said:

You are nuts, people here insisting the man didnt produce any songs and people have consistently posted songs that he has produced BY HIMSELF but despite that people still insist he hasnt produced anything by himself and then you ridiculously imply someone else came up with the baseline for Billie Jean

No, you can have all the seats, sit down

[Edited 11/30/12 13:08pm]

I dont deny he produced some singles etc. But the BJ bass was inspired from Hall and Oates.

Maybe you should look at some footages of how MJ goes in to detail in how he created the baseline for Billie Jean. There is a demo version and he even talks about in a interview, I'll see if I can find and post it.

Your implying he stole the bassline from some place else and that simply is FALSE.

rdhull said:

mjscarousal said:

You are nuts, people here insisting the man didnt produce any songs and people have consistently posted songs that he has produced BY HIMSELF but despite that people still insist he hasnt produced anything by himself and then you ridiculously imply someone else came up with the baseline for Billie Jean

No, you can have all the seats, sit down

[Edited 11/30/12 13:08pm]

I dont deny he produced some singles etc. But the BJ bass was inspired from Hall and Oates.

Daryl Hall in the same interview where he said Mike asked him to use a riff similar to the one used in I Can't Go For That, Hall admitted he got the riff from another song too. Quincy (or Rick James) claimed the riff from Beat It was inspired from the opening riff in Give It to Me Baby if I recall too.

mjscarousal said:

rdhull said:

I dont deny he produced some singles etc. But the BJ bass was inspired from Hall and Oates.

Maybe you should look at some footages of how MJ goes in to detail in how he created the baseline for Billie Jean. There is a demo version and he even talks about in a interview, I'll see if I can find and post it.

Your implying he stole the bassline from some place else and that simply is FALSE.

I think I have it on cd ..the thriller se where he performs the BJ dmeo without the full lyrics..

but that still doesnt mean he wasnt inspired by I Cant Go Fo That but its really not a bid deal. Everybody cops from everybody and if they can make it into something good as well then

According to Louis Johnson, Michael had him play the riff in every bass guitar he could find and play with until Michael thought it sounded better on the Yamaha bass guitar.

rdhull said:

mjscarousal said:

Maybe you should look at some footages of how MJ goes in to detail in how he created the baseline for Billie Jean. There is a demo version and he even talks about in a interview, I'll see if I can find and post it.

Your implying he stole the bassline from some place else and that simply is FALSE.

I think I have it on cd ..the thriller se where he performs the BJ dmeo without the full lyrics..

but that still doesnt mean he wasnt inspired by I Cant Go Fo That but its really not a bid deal. Everybody cops from everybody and if they can make it into something good as well then

It is not a big deal but you implied he took something from someplace else. Everyone is inspired by something, it is still a original piece.

Michael did two demos with Billie Jean. The first one is featured on the special edition set where Michael basically comes up with some lyrics that he later throws away (including the "all of the time" part or whatever he sang before then). The second demo was leaked years ago and the demo sounds high pitched and a little warped but the lyrics in this one is closer to the one that finally made the song. Of course there's the original longer version of Billie Jean that fit with the second demo's length especially near the ending when he repeats the "not my lover" verse. Quincy cut that part and the intro to a size that was good for radio. I'm thinking it was cut somewhat because Q felt the song would be too long for radio once it was determined Michael wanted to put it in because "that's the jelly, that makes me wanna dance."