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'Thriller' at 30: How One Album Changed the World

"Thriller" conquered racial divides and evolving platforms at MTV, radio

MJJ Productions

But "Thriller's" legacy goes far beyond its own sales and awards accomplishments. Once MTV found success with Michael Jackson, videos by other black performers quickly appeared on the playlist. This development single-handedly forced pop radio to reintroduce black music into its mix: After all, pop fans, now accustomed to seeing black artists and white artists on the same video channel, came to expect the same mix of music on pop radio. It was impossible to keep the various fragments of the audience isolated from one another any longer. Mass-appeal Top 40 radio itself made a big comeback due to this seismic shift. Beginning in early 1983 in Philadelphia, and rapidly spreading through the country, one or more FM stations in every city switched to Top 40 and many rose to the top of the ratings playing the mix of music made popular by MTV-young rock and urban hits.

In the age of "Thriller," black music made a resounding comeback on the pop charts. If 1982 was the genre's low point in terms of pop success, by 1985 more than one third of all the hits on the Billboard Hot 100 were of urban radio origin. Even Prince's "1999" single, shut out of pop radio upon its initial release in 1982, was re-launched in mid-1983 and off the back of its belated MTV exposure became a huge pop radio success the second time around. Thus, in a way few historians appreciate, the Michael Jackson/MTV team proved itself a remarkably progressive force, helping to reintegrate a fragmented popular culture at the dawn of the Reagan era. Black music was back at the center at the mainstream, and to this day it has never again been pushed from the spotlight.

As an aside, the rise of MTV conversely spelled doom for country music's fortunes in the pop world. Prior to MTV, country music had, since the early 70's, become increasingly strong at pop radio, with its popularity culminating in the summer of 1981, during the "Urban Cowboy" craze, just as MTV was being launched. That summer, there were an average of 11 country records on the Billboard Hot 100 in any given week. But MTV decided from day-one that country music would not be part of its programming and country's performance at pop radio steadily nosedived from that point onward. Soon, country records were completely shut out of the Hot 100, something that had never happened before.

For all its record-setting accomplishments, the thing which never ceases to amaze me is that Michael Jackson pulled off what is perhaps the rarest trick in any field: After more than a decade of being an absolutely huge superstar, top of his field, sure-thing Hall of Famer, etc., he somehow found an extra gear and suddenly transcended mere superstardom, redefining the very notion of how big someone in his field could be. Try imagining J.K. Rowling suddenly coming out with a series of books that were so much better and more popular than the Harry Potter books that they rendered them a mere footnote to her career and you'll get the idea of what Michael Jackson accomplished with "Thriller."

Newsweek's prediction just six month earlier that no new mass-appeal superstar would ever again emerge had proven spectacularly wrong, and for the time being, rock's doldrums had been cured. Robert Christgau proclaimed that 1984 was the greatest year for pop singles since the height of Beatlemania, crediting the revival of Top 40 radio and the integration of MTV for this development. And lest there be any doubt that "Thriller" truly did unify all corners of the pop audience, it's worth noting that it won the hipper-than-thou Village Voice critics' poll for album of the year in addition to all those Grammys.

Predictably, the death of Michael Jackson caused a lamentation about the impossibility of anyone ever doing it again. Shortly after Jackson's death The New York Times editorialized: "Fame on the the level Mr. Jackson has achieved is all but impossible for pop culture heroes today, and quite likely it will never be possible again." The similarity of these remarks to Newsweek's 1982 incorrect prediction is uncanny. The notion that never again will the conditions be right for a truly mass, sustainable musical moment is myopic, to say the least.

Despite a succession of on-line platforms that assume ever more fragmented audience niches, one would be foolish to bet against the potential for one to arise that encourages audience behavior which favors a vast coalition of sub-groups uniting behind something new and fantastic. Besides, pop music has always thrived on mass excitement; the yearning for shared cultural touchpoints seems to be hardwired into us. What "Thriller" taught us was that the right star, with the right product and the right technological environment, always has the ability to move us and to unite us all.

Happy 30th anniversary, "Thriller." No doubt the next big thing is just around the corner.

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History has been unkind to early MTV's exclusion of black music from its format, but this is somewhat unfair. Launched at the height of radio playlist segregation, the channel at first could not fathom the idea that its target audience--teens in the overwhelmingly white suburbs and small towns who were the first to receive MTV on their cable television systems in late 1981 -- would want to hear black records, with which they were unfamiliar. In a world without mass appeal Top 40 radio, the idea of mass appeal Top 40 video was far from obvious. But at least on the radio dial, there were choices for those who wanted to seek out black music. On television, MTV was the only game in town. And its power to steer pop tastes was quickly becoming apparent, as hits began to gather steam in the hinterlands simply due to MTV exposure, without any radio play.

MTV's true impact was not fully felt until the channel made its debut on cable systems in the New York and Los Angeles areas in September of 1982. Suddenly, that which had been a rumor wafting in from the heartland became a loud thunderclap waking up the cultural agenda setters in the nation's twin media capitals, who accurately hyped MTV as the Next Big Thing. It is no coincidence that the aforementioned nadir of black music's presence on the pop charts occurred in October, 1982 -- a moment when all of pop radio and the only music channel on television excluded it from the mix.

Enter Michael Jackson. By the time he delivered "Thriller" to CBS's Epic label in 1982, Jackson had been one of the top recording stars in the world for over a dozen years, both with and without his brothers. However, his most recent album, the mega-hit "Off The Wall," which spawned four Top 10 singles, had been released in 1979, a year when 40% of the songs that reached the Top 3 on the Hot 100 were by black artists, before the wall separating black and white music on the radio arose.

"The Girls Is Mine"

CBS Records was well aware that there were no black records at all in the pop Top 20 the week they sent the debut single from "Thriller" to radio in October of 1982. Faced with the very real possibility that Jackson's record would fail to become exposed to a crossover radio audience, the record company took no chances. That first single, "The Girl Is Mine," was a gentle, easy-listening leaning duet with the ex-Beatle Paul McCartney, most recently Stevie Wonder's duet partner. The presence of McCartney, still very much a pop radio mainstay in the early 80's, virtually insured the song's acceptance at white radio. And, aware that MTV didn't play videos by black artists, CBS simply didn't make one for Jackson's first single from "Thriller."

"The Girl Is Mine" debuted on the Billboard Hot 100 on November 6th, 1982, the date on which, not coincidentally, the rebound of black music's presence on that chart began, after a three-year steady decline. The fluffy single was not well received by critics. "Michael's worst idea since 'Ben,'" was how Robert Christgau, writing in the Village Voice, judged it. For an album that not long after would be viewed as a masterpiece, this was an inauspicious beginning, although it did get on white radio as intended.

The "Thriller" album itself was released three weeks later, November 30th, and on the chart dated December 25th it debuted at No. 11. This was a highly respectable chart debut in those pre-Soundscan days, although unexceptional, as even back then it was not unheard of for albums to debut inside the Top 10 or even at No. 1. In January, the album inched into the Top 10, moving to No. 9 for two weeks, then No. 8, before stalling for three weeks at No. 5, which was as far as the momentum generated by "The Girl Is Mine" would take it. While the album could already be considered a hit, "Thriller's" chart performance in those early weeks gave no hint of the juggernaut it would turn out to be.

On the strength of the No. 2 pop chart peak of "The Girl Is Mine" just after Christmas, CBS Records knew their strategy to lead at radio with the McCartney "Trojan Horse" was a success. As 1983 began, the label prepared its campaign for the album's second single, the more "urban" sounding "Billie Jean." With the table already set, pop radio immediately started to play this follow-up single, and skeptics were indeed happy to find that "Thriller" had more thrilling things to offer than the McCartney duet. "Billie Jean" was nothing short of breathtaking, the kind of single that makes you stop in your tracks and always remember where you were when you first heard it. But with MTV the rage of the music world that winter, there was no way Jackson could occupy the central spot in pop culture without its support. And MTV didn't play black records.

CBS gambled and filmed expensive videos for both "Billie Jean" and the next single, "Beat It"--videos that were a joy to behold. Jackson was a natural video star, his era's premiere song and dance man. The two videos introduced a standard of choreography previously unseen in music videos, arguably surpassing even James Brown's 1960s live work, until then the gold standard against whom all R&B dancers were judged.

As a visual art form, music video is naturally suited to choreography. Yet with the exception of Toni Basil's "Mickey" clip from the previous fall, there really hadn't been any accomplished dancing featured in videos shown on MTV. This was largely due to the fact that the music business hadn't in recent years nurtured artists who could dance-even the stars of disco music weren't consummate dancers themselves. All that would eventually change after "Thriller," with the coming of Madonna, Michael's sister Janet, and Paula Abdul, among others. But in the meantime, Michael Jackson had the MTV dance-floor to himself

Despite the obvious quality of the Jackson videos, MTV initially resisted playing them, claiming it was a rock station and Jackson didn't fit the format. There is to this day some disagreement as to what led the channel to change its policy and add "Billie Jean." At the time, a story was widely circulated that CBS chief Walter Yetnikoff resorted to threatening to pull all of his label's videos off the channel if MTV didn't play "Billie Jean," but this claim has been refuted over the years by original MTV honchos Bob Pittman and Les Garland. They concede that the channel initially assumed it would not play the video, as its thumping beat and urban production did not fit the channel's "rock" image. They contend however that in mid-February, after seeing the clip--which was possibly the best that had ever come across their desks--they began to re-think things. Coupled with the fact that even without MTV, the song had just leaped in one week from No. 23 to No. 6 on the Hot 100, the MTV execs concluded they should give it a shot.

"Billie Jean"

"Beat It"

"Thriller"

MTV's -- and Jackson's -- timing was perfect. MTV debuted "Billie Jean," on March 1st, just four days before the song hit No. 1 on the Hot 100, making it the first uptempo urban song to accomplish that feat in over two years. Simultaneously, "Billie Jean's" momentum was the thing that finally pulled the "Thriller" album all the way up to No. 1 on the album chart in its 10th chart week. But a number one single and album turned out to be only the beginning-for both Jackson and MTV.

Featuring Jackson's videos for "Billie Jean" and two weeks later for "Beat It" widened the video-clip channel's appeal as much as airplay on MTV widened the appeal of Michael Jackson. MTV was already at the white-hot center of the pop universe, but it was only when they added Michael Jackson that they found their real star. The idea of the hottest pop star in the world being shown on TV throughout the day-between the two clips, you didn't need to sit in front of your TV for very long to catch Michael on MTV-made the network even more talked-about than before. New viewers watched MTV because they'd heard how great the Michael Jackson videos were; at the same time, MTVs core audience was blown away by videos featuring a type of music they weren't supposed to like-except it turned out they did. To use a modern term to describe what was happening back then, MTV and Michael Jackson made each other go viral.

Jackson's second MTV video, for "Beat It," was yet another master stroke, incorporating live sound effects, real L.A. street gang members and the mass choreographed dancing which would become a signature part of Jackson's videos. The "Billie Jean" video had been a revelation because it showcased the brilliance of Jackson's performance. "Beat It" did that too, but it also set a new standard of production for music video itself, and in fact it became the more popular and acclaimed video of the two, despite the fact that "Billie Jean" was a bigger hit song. "Beat It" also represented another step in Jackson's master plan to appeal across all musical boundaries, with its rock feel and Eddie van Halen guitar solo. It achieved that goal, being played on rock radio stations and earning Jackson yet another category of fans that would not otherwise have gravitated to his music (In this regard Michael Jackson was actually beaten to the punch by his older brother Jermaine, who featured the new wave band Devo on his 1982 hit "Let Me Tickle Your Fancy," which had also garnered some rock airplay) .

Then, just when it didn't seem possible that Jackson could get any bigger, he did. On May 16th, with "Beat It" at No. 1 and "Billie Jean" still in the Top 10, Michael debuted the moonwalk on the Motown 25th Anniversary TV special on NBC. Drawn by a desire to see Michael Jackson's first performance on a stage since the release of "Thriller," 47 million Americans tuned in, many of whom did not yet have cable television and thus could not see Jackson's videos on MTV. The performance Jackson gave that night hurled his career even further into the stratosphere.

A full year after "Thriller's" release, after the record-setting seven Top 10 singles and countless weeks at No. 1 on the album chart, making it the best-selling album of all time, Jackson still had one more trick up his "Thriller" sleeve: On December 2nd, he debuted his nearly 14-minute John Landis-directed video for the album's title track. It was immediately acclaimed as perhaps the greatest music video ever made and it reignited Michael-mania. A commercial videocassette featuring the short film shot to the top of the video chart and went on to become the biggest selling music video of all time. Meanwhile, the "Thriller" album, which had fallen out of the No. 1 position nearly six months earlier, now jumped back into the top spot just in time for Christmas and stayed there well into the new year. The Grammy telecast two months later, during which Jackson won eight Grammys, served as the formal coronation of Jackson as King of Pop, although now by that point the fact was obvious.

But "Thriller's" legacy goes far beyond its own sales and awards accomplishments. Once MTV found success with Michael Jackson, videos by other black performers quickly appeared on the playlist. This development single-handedly forced pop radio to reintroduce black music into its mix: After all, pop fans, now accustomed to seeing black artists and white artists on the same video channel, came to expect the same mix of music on pop radio. It was impossible to keep the various fragments of the audience isolated from one another any longer. Mass-appeal Top 40 radio itself made a big comeback due to this seismic shift. Beginning in early 1983 in Philadelphia, and rapidly spreading through the country, one or more FM stations in every city switched to Top 40 and many rose to the top of the ratings playing the mix of music made popular by MTV-young rock and urban hits.

But "Thriller's" legacy goes far beyond its own sales and awards accomplishments. Once MTV found success with Michael Jackson, videos by other black performers quickly appeared on the playlist. This development single-handedly forced pop radio to reintroduce black music into its mix: After all, pop fans, now accustomed to seeing black artists and white artists on the same video channel, came to expect the same mix of music on pop radio. It was impossible to keep the various fragments of the audience isolated from one another any longer. Mass-appeal Top 40 radio itself made a big comeback due to this seismic shift. Beginning in early 1983 in Philadelphia, and rapidly spreading through the country, one or more FM stations in every city switched to Top 40 and many rose to the top of the ratings playing the mix of music made popular by MTV-young rock and urban hits.

In the age of "Thriller," black music made a resounding comeback on the pop charts. If 1982 was the genre's low point in terms of pop success, by 1985 more than one third of all the hits on the Billboard Hot 100 were of urban radio origin. Even Prince's "1999" single, shut out of pop radio upon its initial release in 1982, was re-launched in mid-1983 and off the back of its belated MTV exposure became a huge pop radio success the second time around. Thus, in a way few historians appreciate, the Michael Jackson/MTV team proved itself a remarkably progressive force, helping to reintegrate a fragmented popular culture at the dawn of the Reagan era. Black music was back at the center at the mainstream, and to this day it has never again been pushed from the spotlight.

As an aside, the rise of MTV conversely spelled doom for country music's fortunes in the pop world. Prior to MTV, country music had, since the early 70's, become increasingly strong at pop radio, with its popularity culminating in the summer of 1981, during the "Urban Cowboy" craze, just as MTV was being launched. That summer, there were an average of 11 country records on the Billboard Hot 100 in any given week. But MTV decided from day-one that country music would not be part of its programming and country's performance at pop radio steadily nosedived from that point onward. Soon, country records were completely shut out of the Hot 100, something that had never happened before.

For all its record-setting accomplishments, the thing which never ceases to amaze me is that Michael Jackson pulled off what is perhaps the rarest trick in any field: After more than a decade of being an absolutely huge superstar, top of his field, sure-thing Hall of Famer, etc., he somehow found an extra gear and suddenly transcended mere superstardom, redefining the very notion of how big someone in his field could be. Try imagining J.K. Rowling suddenly coming out with a series of books that were so much better and more popular than the Harry Potter books that they rendered them a mere footnote to her career and you'll get the idea of what Michael Jackson accomplished with "Thriller."

Newsweek's prediction just six month earlier that no new mass-appeal superstar would ever again emerge had proven spectacularly wrong, and for the time being, rock's doldrums had been cured. Robert Christgau proclaimed that 1984 was the greatest year for pop singles since the height of Beatlemania, crediting the revival of Top 40 radio and the integration of MTV for this development. And lest there be any doubt that "Thriller" truly did unify all corners of the pop audience, it's worth noting that it won the hipper-than-thou Village Voice critics' poll for album of the year in addition to all those Grammys.

Predictably, the death of Michael Jackson caused a lamentation about the impossibility of anyone ever doing it again. Shortly after Jackson's death The New York Times editorialized: "Fame on the the level Mr. Jackson has achieved is all but impossible for pop culture heroes today, and quite likely it will never be possible again." The similarity of these remarks to Newsweek's 1982 incorrect prediction is uncanny. The notion that never again will the conditions be right for a truly mass, sustainable musical moment is myopic, to say the least.

Despite a succession of on-line platforms that assume ever more fragmented audience niches, one would be foolish to bet against the potential for one to arise that encourages audience behavior which favors a vast coalition of sub-groups uniting behind something new and fantastic. Besides, pop music has always thrived on mass excitement; the yearning for shared cultural touchpoints seems to be hardwired into us. What "Thriller" taught us was that the right star, with the right product and the right technological environment, always has the ability to move us and to unite us all.

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[Edited 11/29/12 21:19pm]

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worship

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I'm sure if it was a different time and by that I mean if the radio stations had been actually friendly to black artists, MJ and Quincy would have never released Girl Is Mine as a lead single. Not that it's not a good song but compared to other ones on the album...it's just the weakest track on the album by anyone's standard.

Anyways I love love love love this album. It's one of those rare albums I actually remember when&where I was exactly when I first listened to the entire album. It was love at first listen.

supercute heart

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I love how so many critics thought the album was blah when it was released,then the Motown 25special,epic music videos,pepsi commercials,hits galore,grammy awards,Victory tour,We are the world and everyone's perceptions changes.

This was typical review before the hype.

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Emancipation89 said:

I'm sure if it was a different time and by that I mean if the radio stations had been actually friendly to black artists, MJ and Quincy would have never released Girl Is Mine as a lead single. Not that it's not a good song but compared to other ones on the album...it's just the weakest track on the album by anyone's standard.

Anyways I love love love love this album. It's one of those rare albums I actually remember when&where I was exactly when I first listened to the entire album. It was love at first listen.

supercute heart

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Me personally, I loved that song

I thought that was a great song and clever

because the word back in the day after this song was released

"I'm a lover, not a fighter"

Cats from the street were saying that

Mike and Paul McCartney developed great rapport whenever they collaborated

"She's Out of My Life" was the precursor for "The Girl Is Mine"

the very first song from THRILLER, a song that received support from Urban Radio before anyone else. It reached #1 on r&b radio

"Beat It", a rock oriented song reached #1 on r&b radio too, where it received its initial support, then pop radio stations followed.....Same thing with "Billie Jean"

what was so special about this album and its era, it was released w/limited fanfare and promotion

it was done so inconspicuously, and it just continued to build on its own momentum

many, including myself, were still jamming to the "The Jackson's Live" album when Thriller was released

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How many times have you bought this album? Over the years I've somehow managed to buy this album at least 6 times - twice on cassette (maybe 3 times?), at least 3 times on cd and once on vinyl.

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mynameisnotsusan said:

How many times have you bought this album? Over the years I've somehow managed to buy this album at least 6 times - twice on cassette (maybe 3 times?), at least 3 times on cd and once on vinyl.

My parents had it on 8 track and two on vinyl and cd.I got 2 on cd.

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Oh, man. The early half of the 1980s. Grids everywhere. For no damn purpose.

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FYI: MTV was playing 1999 by Prince before Thriller even came out.

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FYI: MTV was playing 1999 by Prince before Thriller even came out.

They were also playing Dont Stop Till You Get Enough and Rock With You bored2

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mjscarousal said:

Graycap23 said:

FYI: MTV was playing 1999 by Prince before Thriller even came out.

They were also playing Dont Stop Till You Get Enough and Rock With You bored2

razz

Neither of which is "Thriller" related.

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Wanna know how Thriller really changed the world? Marketing and MJ's contract that made him then the wealthiest musician at the time and gave him carte blanche as far as how to market his music (i.e., the videos). And though it wasn't frequent, some R&B recordings still made the pop charts between 1981 and 1983. Maybe not as frequent on the top ten (like Lionel Richie for instance) but they still made quite a buzz and probably would've been bigger had the radio formats not been so one-dimensional.

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Graycap23 said:

mjscarousal said:

They were also playing Dont Stop Till You Get Enough and Rock With You bored2

razz

Neither of which is "Thriller" related.

MJ was playing on MTV long before Prince. lol

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Thriller era has changed the world.
The revolution in the production of music videos and the revolution in dance.
Revolution in promoting the album and marketing ...

but what about music itself? wink

Yes, Billie Jean - a brilliant pop song, one of the greatest ever, Beat It - one of the best pop/rock crossover ....
but what exactly new in music? wink

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I remember buying the record at Licorice Pizza with my friends. Came home that evening and prelistened to it on our home furniture built in radio/phonograph in snippets. I remember wanting my mom to go to bhed so I could blast it. I was excited about WBSS but the rest I was not reallly into on first listen. It took the video of BJ to suck me in and when it did I was all in.

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mjscarousal said:

Graycap23 said:

Neither of which is "Thriller" related.

MJ was playing on MTV long before Prince. lol

MTV came out in 1981 and both Michael and Prince were popular then. I'm sure both were played at the same time lol I don't recall the OTW videos being played on MTV. From what I heard, MTV didn't really stay on 24 hours a day so it was hard to tell what got played then. MTV itself isn't really good with its archives.

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Timmy84 said:

mjscarousal said:

MJ was playing on MTV long before Prince. lol

MTV came out in 1981 and both Michael and Prince were popular then. I'm sure both were played at the same time lol I don't recall the OTW videos being played on MTV. From what I heard, MTV didn't really stay on 24 hours a day so it was hard to tell what got played then. MTV itself isn't really good with its archives.

Dont trip

I like messing with Gray when it comes to P, lol

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mjscarousal said:

Graycap23 said:

FYI: MTV was playing 1999 by Prince before Thriller even came out.

They were also playing Dont Stop Till You Get Enough and Rock With You bored2

razz

No, they weren't.

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LiLi1992 said:

Thriller era has changed the world.
The revolution in the production of music videos and the revolution in dance.
Revolution in promoting the album and marketing ...

but what about music itself? wink

Yes, Billie Jean - a brilliant pop song, one of the greatest ever, Beat It - one of the best pop/rock crossover ....
but what exactly new in music? wink

That's what I said lol the marketing was unique for anyone in music at the time, especially for someone considered by many as an R&B artist. The Girl is Mine wasn't even that unique of a release as it was a safe guarantee for a pop hit (Stevie Wonder got a pop hit with Ebony and Ivory with Paul and he was accused of being a sell-out with that song as much as Michael was given the same fate after The Girl is Mine). Sexual Healing by Marvin Gaye by comparison was a much bolder song to make the pop charts and peak as high as it did (#3) and this was before Billie Jean was ever thought of lol ("People" magazine in fact called Sexual Healing "America's hottest pop-culture turn on since Olivia Newton John suggested she wanted to get 'Physical'.")


We gotta look at the timeline of this because Prince was starting to get airplay with Little Red Corvette in January of 1983. The Girl is Mine was reaching that same level of airplay around this time. And how did Lionel Richie not get mentioned in this article? lol I know he was recording safe material but for a black artist in that "racist time period of 1981-1982", he surely was on the pop charts as much as Donna Summer had been three years before. razz This article is playing a little revisionist history, me thinks... geek

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mjscarousal said:

Timmy84 said:

MTV came out in 1981 and both Michael and Prince were popular then. I'm sure both were played at the same time lol I don't recall the OTW videos being played on MTV. From what I heard, MTV didn't really stay on 24 hours a day so it was hard to tell what got played then. MTV itself isn't really good with its archives.

Dont trip

I like messing with Gray when it comes to P, lol

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lol you knew they weren't playing MJ like that anyways... the video for Billie Jean was better to promote. wink

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Timmy84 said:

We gotta look at the timeline of this because Prince was starting to get airplay with Little Red Corvette in January of 1983.

and 1999 was played way before LRC on there too

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Reply #25 posted 11/30/12 10:08am

Timmy84

rdhull said:

Timmy84 said:

and 1999 was played way before LRC on there too

Yeah I think LRC's airplay emboldened the success of 1999 mainly because LRC was a rock song and radio started to play 1999 heavier afterwards though 1999 was released first.

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Reply #26 posted 11/30/12 10:12am

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LiLi1992 said:

Thriller era has changed the world.
The revolution in the production of music videos and the revolution in dance.
Revolution in promoting the album and marketing ...

but what about music itself? wink

Yes, Billie Jean - a brilliant pop song, one of the greatest ever, Beat It - one of the best pop/rock crossover ....
but what exactly new in music? wink

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Reply #27 posted 11/30/12 10:13am

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Reply #28 posted 11/30/12 10:15am

Timmy84

mynameisnotsusan said:

How many times have you bought this album? Over the years I've somehow managed to buy this album at least 6 times - twice on cassette (maybe 3 times?), at least 3 times on cd and once on vinyl.

I bought the album four times at least. The first was from one of those cassettes, second was the CD. When that got scratched up, I bought the 2001 edition. That got scratched up by the time I picked up T25 but I found myself not liking that version due to the remixes. neutral I may buy it again in the future since they still sell that album in Wal-Mart. lol

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Reply #29 posted 11/30/12 10:16am

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Timmy84 said:

LiLi1992 said:

Thriller era has changed the world.
The revolution in the production of music videos and the revolution in dance.
Revolution in promoting the album and marketing ...

but what about music itself? wink

Yes, Billie Jean - a brilliant pop song, one of the greatest ever, Beat It - one of the best pop/rock crossover ....
but what exactly new in music? wink

That's what I said lol

But you asked how Thriller changed the world? wink
Thriller era for me has changed so many rules that absolutely deserves the title of "world changer" ... but not in the music department. (although the music was good) wink

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