I've been thinking..

Don't you guys think that it's hardest to make it big in America vs other countries? You never know if the public will embrace you or not.

It's funny how you see tons of youtube comments of people whining about wanting "real singsers" and "real music" back, yet who are the biggest names right now? Rihanna? Katy Perry? Ke$ha? All of who couldn't hold a note if they tried.

American Idol has been on for like 10 years, right? How many great voices have performed on that show, but how many actually have sustained success? I can only think of two, which are Kelly Clarkson and Carrie Underwood. The others aren't really popular. You guys know who Taylor Hicks or Blake Lewis is? Didn't think so.

The same with X-Factor. Season 1's winner, Melanie Amaro, is a flop. She is very talented, her voice is amazing. I doubt they will pay her all of that 5 million, she won't recoup that much.

Despite there being tons of great voices in the U.S., who makes a killing just sitting there singing? A blonde-haired, blued chick from England! I'm not shading Adele, I just find her success weird in the dance-pop era. I guess you can blame her great success on the hunger for "real" singing, but why haven't there been anymore Adeles? Will she be a fluke? It certainly seems that way, but only time will tell.

And what about groups? I know One Direction is big with the teen girls right now (they told like 500k in their first week), but before them when was the last time a group had big success? Backstreet Boys? Groups are still popular in the U.K. "Little Mix" is very popular there.

How many singers are there on youtube who can sing there ass off and play multiple insturments? I'm pretty sure if they were to get a record they wouldn't go anywhere, despite the millions of views they get. That actually happened with this one girl. She got millions of views from a song she wrote, yet her music career went literally nowhere. Crazy I tell yah..

Thoughts? Comments?

You could say compare to other countries, we are real fickle with what's popular and what should be popular.

Terrib3Towel said:

I've been thinking..

Don't you guys think that it's hardest to make it big in America vs other countries? You never know if the public will embrace you or not.

It's funny how you see tons of youtube comments of people whining about wanting "real singsers" and "real music" back, yet who are the biggest names right now? Rihanna? Katy Perry? Ke$ha? All of who couldn't hold a note if they tried.

American Idol has been on for like 10 years, right? How many great voices have performed on that show, but how many actually have sustained success? I can only think of two, which are Kelly Clarkson and Carrie Underwood. The others aren't really popular. You guys know who Taylor Hicks or Blake Lewis is? Didn't think so.

The same with X-Factor. Season 1's winner, Melanie Amaro, is a flop. She is very talented, her voice is amazing. I doubt they will pay her all of that 5 million, she won't recoup that much.

Despite there being tons of great voices in the U.S., who makes a killing just sitting there singing? A blonde-haired, blued chick from England! I'm not shading Adele, I just find her success weird in the dance-pop era. I guess you can blame her great success on the hunger for "real" singing, but why haven't there been anymore Adeles? Will she be a fluke? It certainly seems that way, but only time will tell.

And what about groups? I know One Direction is big with the teen girls right now (they told like 500k in their first week), but before them when was the last time a group had big success? Backstreet Boys? Groups are still popular in the U.K. "Little Mix" is very popular there.

How many singers are there on youtube who can sing there ass off and play multiple insturments? I'm pretty sure if they were to get a record they wouldn't go anywhere, despite the millions of views they get. That actually happened with this one girl. She got millions of views from a song she wrote, yet her music career went literally nowhere. Crazy I tell yah..

Thoughts? Comments?

Well I think people do want that because Adele is a perfect example of this with her major success last year despite having zero promotion.

I think the problem is, people of this generation rely to much on the radio and media for their music so some of them think artists like Rihanna, Katy Perry etc are their only options. They go on youtube and find that the music world is alot bigger despite what is being shoved down their ears which is why alot make comments like that.

I also agree with your point as well, I just dont think that is the entire reason but your right people want to make complaints but feed into what is being shoved down their ears but this is not the case for everybody. Some of those comments are made because youngins are not exposed to other types of music and when they are they say things like that for some cases.

I think to a extent some youth just dont know how to express their dislike. They think thats what their suppose to be listening to

Everything now is mostly image, marketing and having a mainstream label that is willing to back the hell out of you. Alot of great artists dont have that backing which is why some people might never discover their music. I think they dont want that backing because they know they would have to compromise their art. So its kinda a win/lose type of thing.

I know some people say some artists would love to have the same backing as alot of these pop artists out now but I disagree with that, I think some lesser known acts are content with where they are because they seem to enjoy what they do and not in it for attention.

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You're so right the music world is so much bigger than what a lot of people know.

There are some days I spend hours on end looking up artists who are underground that not many people know about. part of the exitement is looking and not knowing what you'll stumble up on.

Terrib3Towel said:

You're so right the music world is so much bigger than what a lot of people know.

There are some days I spend hours on end looking up artists who are underground that not many people know about. part of the exitement is looking and not knowing what you'll stumble up on.

That's the good thing about music, you never know what you'll find... that has been me the last few weeks.

Well, America is an extremley hetregeneous society. Preferences in music usually vary by region, race, and of course individual. So with multiple regions, races, and 310,000,000 individuals it makes it hard for a group to stand out because not everyone is listening to a similar style of music . Also, the biggest don't get as much attention anymore due to diversification of radio and youtube.

Why is current american music so terrible?

It's not as unpredictable as you think. I actually see a pattern at least for the last 10 years or so. The mainstream music always has been either hip-hop, pop, country pop or some soulful R&B pop. We've seen Adele's likes before (I'm thinking Amy, Alicia or Norah Jones and they all have achieved huge commercial success at one point or more) and really, this is nothing new. Not really a huge fan of Adele but she has a great voice and trust me any girl can easily relate to her lyrics and go OMG THANK U ADELE lmao

And regarding current pop music, I will say that at least Britney/Destiny's Child, Christina, Usher all had some cool choreographies to go with their dance music and that's the proper way to promote dance music imo...Nowadays even all club dance music artists like Kesha, Katy Perry, Keri Hilson, Rihanna and all the other girls you can think of on mainstream radio station just can't be bothered to move their fat asses all they do is jump up and down and scream with some wacky makeup and clothes on...zzzzzZzzzZz Please if you can't sing at least learn how to dance or grab an instrument or do something...I think entertainment industry in general lowered their standard not just music industry lol

What cool choregraphies did Destiny Child, Brittany Spears and Christina Aguilera do?

Because for one, Destiny Child's didnt really do choregrahies as well as Aguilera. Brittany did the most choregraphies out of the group and I wouldnt define what she did as cool although she is the better dancer out of all those group of woman during her prime. Usher of course needs no explanation, I think his choregrahies were alright although he swaggerjacked the hell out of MJ.

Just because you are a pop star does not mean you HAVE to dance to be entertaining. Whatever happened to just standing on stage conveying emotion while singing?

That is exactly one of the MAIN problems in todays performers. They dont connect with their audiences and think putting a show is all about gimmicks, lights and cameras. There is nobody out now that moves people in the same way pop stars like MJ and Whitney did.

The last cool choreography I saw in a longgg time was by Ciara and although I dont care for her, she is a fantastic dancer

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mjscarousal said:

Just because you are a pop star does not mean you HAVE to dance to be entertaining. Whatever happened to just standing on stage conveying emotion while singing?

Well I agree and I'm not saying all 'pop' artists should dance, I meant that if you were gonna call yourself a dance-pop artist and it'd be nice if you tried to learn how to dance, especially for those who can't sing. Britney's choreography was alright and she did a better job at live shows than her videos imo they were all based on Paula Abdul/Janet style choreography.

Emancipation89 said:

mjscarousal said:

Just because you are a pop star does not mean you HAVE to dance to be entertaining. Whatever happened to just standing on stage conveying emotion while singing?

Well I agree and I'm not saying all 'pop' artists should dance, I meant that if you were gonna call yourself a dance-pop artist and it'd be nice if you tried to learn how to dance, especially for those who can't sing. Britney's choreography was alright and she did a better job at live shows than her videos imo they were all based on Paula Abdul/Janet style choreography.

I agree. Brittany was a good dancer in her prime (I'll give her that) but her choregraphies were okay. I always wondered why people claimed she was mostly influenced by Madonna when its clear Janet was her primary influence.

I also agree with your point about dance pop artists, your right but what is funny to me is today we have these dance pop artists trying to come off like their authentic. I'm like make up your mind You cant say you something and you constantly put out music that suggests something else.

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It's not unpredictable at all. It's very predictable. If it's new, there's a 99% chance that it's going to be boring as hell.

Terrib3Towel said:

You're so right the music world is so much bigger than what a lot of people know.

There are some days I spend hours on end looking up artists who are underground that not many people know about. part of the exitement is looking and not knowing what you'll stumble up on.

And then listening to it completely alone because no one else has ever heard it. That's not exciting, that's masturbation.

Emancipation89 said:

mjscarousal said:

Just because you are a pop star does not mean you HAVE to dance to be entertaining. Whatever happened to just standing on stage conveying emotion while singing?

Well I agree and I'm not saying all 'pop' artists should dance, I meant that if you were gonna call yourself a dance-pop artist and it'd be nice if you tried to learn how to dance, especially for those who can't sing. Britney's choreography was alright and she did a better job at live shows than her videos imo they were all based on Paula Abdul/Janet style choreography.

I don't know why they take all these dance lessons because the music they make certainly isn't danceable and if a person were to do all those choreographed moves up in a club, they would get laughed out of the place. There used to be a guy in one of the clubs that did all that shit and everybody laughed their asses off at him and called him either John Travolta or Gene Anthony Ray. Regular folks just don't dance all that leaping Broadway looking stuff and dance music is supposed to make people in the clubs want to dance, not sit and watch the people that make it put on a Broadway production.

Little Mix are bootlegged Spice Girls.

Timmy84 said:

You could say compare to other countries, we are real fickle with what's popular and what should be popular.

America is very predictable, i see much more coming out of England in recent years than ever before. America is very "blueprint" meaning the plan is very see through, because you cannot fail in America, or your dropped, there is no real need to build an artist up, we use trends till we get the next one, but the mainstream over the last 2 decades almost has not really altered much, except for sales of albums which at this point are meaningless to everyone, im sure why its even tracked anymore. Even the things we cant beleive have already happend VERY often. The ADELE thing as someone said, was not a shock because america latches on to ONE thing for a bit, they did it with Norah and Alicia and Amy etc.....

Then there are the other things, Youtube artists that seem to come out of nowhere, to me that is very predictable now, everyone is trying that same "I can do it too" nonsense thats why you have alot of shitty talent out there that cant do a live show without dropping dead from exhaustion, and cant be relevant past an album or a single, or even just make more music. HOW MANY "Best band ever" titles were given out since the 90's? and how many were interesting to the world or recorded after an album or two. Predictable, in every way.

lastdecember said:

Timmy84 said:

You could say compare to other countries, we are real fickle with what's popular and what should be popular.

America is very predictable, i see much more coming out of England in recent years than ever before. America is very "blueprint" meaning the plan is very see through, because you cannot fail in America, or your dropped, there is no real need to build an artist up, we use trends till we get the next one, but the mainstream over the last 2 decades almost has not really altered much, except for sales of albums which at this point are meaningless to everyone, im sure why its even tracked anymore. Even the things we cant beleive have already happend VERY often. The ADELE thing as someone said, was not a shock because america latches on to ONE thing for a bit, they did it with Norah and Alicia and Amy etc.....

Then there are the other things, Youtube artists that seem to come out of nowhere, to me that is very predictable now, everyone is trying that same "I can do it too" nonsense thats why you have alot of shitty talent out there that cant do a live show without dropping dead from exhaustion, and cant be relevant past an album or a single, or even just make more music. HOW MANY "Best band ever" titles were given out since the 90's? and how many were interesting to the world or recorded after an album or two. Predictable, in every way.

What's with this new British invasion that we're having? Not that I'm complaining because I love their music but they are coming in packs now. People are saying Jessie Ware is going to be the new Adele.

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babybugz said:

lastdecember said:

America is very predictable, i see much more coming out of England in recent years than ever before. America is very "blueprint" meaning the plan is very see through, because you cannot fail in America, or your dropped, there is no real need to build an artist up, we use trends till we get the next one, but the mainstream over the last 2 decades almost has not really altered much, except for sales of albums which at this point are meaningless to everyone, im sure why its even tracked anymore. Even the things we cant beleive have already happend VERY often. The ADELE thing as someone said, was not a shock because america latches on to ONE thing for a bit, they did it with Norah and Alicia and Amy etc.....

Then there are the other things, Youtube artists that seem to come out of nowhere, to me that is very predictable now, everyone is trying that same "I can do it too" nonsense thats why you have alot of shitty talent out there that cant do a live show without dropping dead from exhaustion, and cant be relevant past an album or a single, or even just make more music. HOW MANY "Best band ever" titles were given out since the 90's? and how many were interesting to the world or recorded after an album or two. Predictable, in every way.

What's with this new British invasion that we're having? Not that'm complaining because I love their music but they are coming in packs now. People are saying Jessie Ware is going to be the new Adele.

I guess they're telling us something: the American stars suck.

Emancipation89 said:

had some cool choreographies to go with their dance music and that's the proper way to promote dance music imo...Nowadays even all club dance music artists

A lot of old acts that made dance music didn't/couldn't dance like Depeche Mode, Pet Shop Boys, Martha Wash, Donna Summer, New Order, Kraftwerk, Duran Duran, Howard Jones, etc. Many of the performers that made dancable music such as disco, latin freestyle, funk, and so on didn't really dance either.

Timmy84 said:

babybugz said:

What's with this new British invasion that we're having? Not that'm complaining because I love their music but they are coming in packs now. People are saying Jessie Ware is going to be the new Adele.

I guess they're telling us something: the American stars suck.

I guess so.