TonyVanDam said:

Azz said:

“I really don’t believe in abortion,” he told the magazine “I think [an embryo] is a human. It’s like killing a baby.”

He added that while it is “really sad” for a woman to become pregnant after being raped, he claimed that “everything happens for a reason.”

“I don’t know how that would be a reason,” he added. “I guess I haven’t been in that position, so I wouldn’t be able to judge that.”

When asked what his views on homosexuality are, Bieber responded: “It’s everyone’s own decision to do that. It doesn’t affect me and shouldn’t affect anyone else.”

‘I believe that He put me in this position, and that I have to always give Him the glory He deserves for putting me here

[Edited 10/29/12 12:04pm]

Justin Bieber is the Tim Tebow of dance-pop culture. So what?!? His Christian background is no more or less controversial than Donny Osmond's Mormon background.

For someone who doesnt even go to church....

Oh wait - 'I don't need to go to church to prove my faith'

Haters will hate.

duccichucka said:

Haters will hate.

HAPPYPERSON said:

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I COULD'VE LIVED WITH THAT.

So after this long and lovely debate, we seem to agree with each other on several points except you think Beyonce is the worst thing to hit the music industry in the new era and I think it's Britney...... So basically we are really just disagreeing on different opinions of these two.... oh, damn! ---> walks out of thread.

If you think Beyonce is a stain, than I'm not gonna argue with that; but, you have to accept that the way you feel about her is the way I've felt about Britney since 'Oops I did it again' (*sigh* that god awful song ). So, we'll just have to agree to disagree on these two because I haven't liked Britney since her second album and Beyonce was still with Destiny's Child at that time; so, her annoying personality was muffled by Kelly and Michelle. Unfortunately, I had no buffer when it came to the Britney overkill during those years. She was everywhere...lip-syncing her ass off! They both really just need to sit the hell down and disappear indefinitely IMHO. They both make tons of money without having to make appearances....just sayin.

But, just to make crystal clear that never once did I ever say Beyonce was the next MJ just because I said she can sing. There will never be another Michael Joseph Jackson in my eyes. I'm not a Chris Brown fan but I think dude can dance his ass off but he'll never be MJ. Seriously, how did you ultimately come to this conclusion in the first place based off me saying that Beyonce can sing? It's baffling to me because, to me, even comparing any pop artist to MJ is like comparing a flashlight to the sun. I just think that it's such a ridiculous comparison I'm having a hard time trying to figure it out.

As for your last statement, I agree that if Beiber is going to set such a high goal for himself, he really should be taking notes from his hero and putting out better quality music. He really needs to focus more on his music than just turning his name into a brand; which, in this day in age of the music industry, is an unfortunate necessity. However, Taylor Swift has just proven it is possible to still be a platinum selling artist if your fans are loyal and hers seem to be overly dedicated which makes her an extremely lucky young lady I feel. Don't see the big deal about her music but I respect this girl and how much work she's put in to get to where she is. Can't be mad at a hardworker at the end of the day.

mjscarousal said:

estelle81 said:

I said for the most part MJ was humble, he never said he was going to create a genre or anything like that or called himself a King or said he had god given talent like Beyonce did... and Kanye does... he never did that...

Like my last statement said, I can't hate on any artist for striving to be as successful as MJ because it's a great goal to set for yourself if you want to be in the music industry.

Nothing wrong with that but why set a high goal and make shitty music its like you are just trying to market of his name

Azz said:

TonyVanDam said:

Justin Bieber is the Tim Tebow of dance-pop culture. So what?!? His Christian background is no more or less controversial than Donny Osmond's Mormon background.

For someone who doesnt even go to church....

Oh wait - 'I don't need to go to church to prove my faith'

So you're "convince" that Justin is a total fake. OK, I get it and you're entitled to have that professional and/or personal opinion. But if Justin's fanbase thinks he is the best demi-god since Michael Jackson, don't hate Justin, hate the game (READ: the industry).

And BTW, "Christians" are entitled to make money too. Just ask Amy Grant!

estelle81 said:

So after this long and lovely debate, we seem to agree with each other on several points except you think Beyonce is the worst thing to hit the music industry in the new era and I think it's Britney...... So basically we are really just disagreeing on different opinions of these two....

oh, damn! ---> walks out of thread.

That is not what I said at all

I said that I think she is more overrated in terms of awards/accolades more so than Brittany but ultimately they both are overrated.

If you think Beyonce is a stain, than I'm not gonna argue with that; but, you have to accept that the way you feel about her is the way I've felt about Britney since 'Oops I did it again' (*sigh* that god awful song ).

Hun, Brittany Spears without a doubt definitly is one of the most overrated acts ever BUT she is not more overrated than Beyonce because she does not get the same types of awards and accolades which is more on a higher level. Brittany Spears does not have 16 grammys, or is considered a serious songwriter, innovator like Beyonce is and yes there is difference but I do not disagree with your overall points on Brittany

So, we'll just have to agree to disagree on these two because I haven't liked Britney since her second album and Beyonce was still with Destiny's Child at that time; so, her annoying personality was muffled by Kelly and Michelle. Unfortunately, I had no buffer when it came to the Britney overkill during those years. She was everywhere...lip-syncing her ass off! They both really just need to sit the hell down and disappear indefinitely IMHO. They both make tons of money without having to make appearances....just sayin.

I agree

But, just to make crystal clear that never once did I ever say Beyonce was the next MJ just because I said she can sing. There will never be another Michael Joseph Jackson in my eyes. I'm not a Chris Brown fan but I think dude can dance his ass off but he'll never be MJ. Seriously, how did you ultimately come to this conclusion in the first place based off me saying that Beyonce can sing? It's baffling to me because, to me, even comparingany pop artist to MJ is like comparing a flashlight to the sun. I just think that it's such a ridiculous comparison I'm having a hard time trying to figure it out.

You Damn right there will never be

I just kinda thought that was what you were implying and maybe I misread your response.It just seemed like you you were justifying all the accolades Bieber, and so forth gets by implying it was okay for Beyonce to get those things because she could sing. You did not directly say that but I thought that was what you were implying because I said Brittany doesnt get compared to MJ in the way Beyonce does and you critized Brittany heavily and didnt with Beyonce But once again if that was not what you were implying, my bad for reading it that way

As for your last statement, I agree that if Beiber is going to set such a high goal for himself, he really should be taking notes from his hero and putting out better quality music. He really needs to focus more on his music than just turning his name into a brand; which, in this day in age of the music industry, is an unfortunate necessity. However, Taylor Swift has just proven it is possible to still be a platinum selling artist if your fans are loyal and hers seem to be overly dedicated which makes her an extremely lucky young lady I feel. Don't see the big deal about her music but I respect this girl and how much work she's put in to get to where she is. Can't be mad at a hardworker at the end of the day.

I didnt know who Taylor Swift was until Kanye interruted her at the VMA's That without a doubt had a major impact in why she is still even relevant.

mjscarousal said:

estelle81 said:

So after this long and lovely debate, we seem to agree with each other on several points except you think Beyonce is the worst thing to hit the music industry in the new era and I think it's Britney...... So basically we are really just disagreeing on different opinions of these two....

oh, damn! ---> walks out of thread.

That is not what I said at all

I said that I think she is more overrated in terms of awards/accolades more so than Brittany but ultimately they both are overrated.

I didnt know who Taylor Swift was until Kanye interruted her at the VMA's That without a doubt had a major impact in why she is still even relevant.

Taylor Swift's fanbase actually buys CDs and they're loyal to a fault. She can move 5 million easy because country fans still prefer a CD to a download and they back their artists with dollars. Kanye had nothing to to with that. He probably wishes his fans were as loyal.

[Edited 10/31/12 15:43pm]

HonestMan13 said:

mjscarousal said:

That is not what I said at all

I said that I think she is more overrated in terms of awards/accolades more so than Brittany but ultimately they both are overrated.

I didnt know who Taylor Swift was until Kanye interruted her at the VMA's That without a doubt had a major impact in why she is still even relevant.

Taylor Swift's fanbase actually buys CDs and they're loyal to a fault. She can move 5 million easy because country fans still prefer a CD to a download and they back their artists with dollars. Kanye had nothing to to with that. He probably wishes his fans were as loyal.

[Edited 10/31/12 15:43pm]

"Oh durr but Taylor's not 'country', she's like pop durr..." Fuck Kanye by the way.

mjscarousal said:

estelle81 said:

So after this long and lovely debate, we seem to agree with each other on several points except you think Beyonce is the worst thing to hit the music industry in the new era and I think it's Britney...... So basically we are really just disagreeing on different opinions of these two....

oh, damn! ---> walks out of thread.

That is not what I said at all

I said that I think she is more overrated in terms of awards/accolades more so than Brittany but ultimately they both are overrated.

I still believe the only reason she got that many awards was because Jay-Z paid somebody to fix that ballot box up. Her album was enjoyable but it damn sure wasn't no 16 Grammy album. I would have given it 2 at the most simply for her duet with Luther Vandross on 'The Closer I Get To You' and even that number is questionable because that duet was on his last album too.

No worries, I just had a bit of an issue with anyone believing that I would think MJ was replaceable. He was a huge part of my childhood. I remember watching the debut of the 'Remember The Time', 'Black Or White', and 'Scream' videos. I have vivid memories of staring at the 'Thriller' vinyl cover and listening to that album nonstop as a kid...don't get me started on the 'We Are The World' vinyl. The only other artists I've ever cried for when they died besides MJ was Luther, Aaliyah, Left-Eye, and Whitney. For me to cry for a total stranger, they had have touched my life quite a bit while they were on this earth and these artists will always be irreplaceble to me.

[Edited 10/31/12 16:33pm]

HonestMan13 said:

mjscarousal said:

That is not what I said at all

I said that I think she is more overrated in terms of awards/accolades more so than Brittany but ultimately they both are overrated.

I didnt know who Taylor Swift was until Kanye interruted her at the VMA's That without a doubt had a major impact in why she is still even relevant.

Taylor Swift's fanbase actually buys CDs and they're loyal to a fault. She can move 5 million easy because country fans still prefer a CD to a download and they back their artists with dollars. Kanye had nothing to to with that. He probably wishes his fans were as loyal.

[Edited 10/31/12 15:43pm]

This is so true about Country music as a whole. It's crazy the numbers of sold units on popular Country artists albums and their tours. She's at 1.2 million sold which is crazy because I would have thought people would be over hearing her diss her exes but guess not.

Timmy84 said:

HonestMan13 said:

Taylor Swift's fanbase actually buys CDs and they're loyal to a fault. She can move 5 million easy because country fans still prefer a CD to a download and they back their artists with dollars. Kanye had nothing to to with that. He probably wishes his fans were as loyal.

[Edited 10/31/12 15:43pm]

"Oh durr but Taylor's not 'country', she's like pop durr..." Fuck Kanye by the way.

She might considered a crossover artist but kept her original country fanbase still claims her.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Taylor_Swift

Does that mean that he would hate to have a real job, a real education?

wow, he's more puerile than I thought

babybugz said:

I like him (not as much as I used to) but sadly for him I don't see him making that transtion into an adult music artist. Wish him the best though.

Agreed.

CrabalockerFishwife said:

babybugz said:

I like him (not as much as I used to) but sadly for him I don't see him making that transtion into an adult music artist. Wish him the best though.

Agreed.

I must concur.