JustErin said:

Azz said:

I'm not a kid.

But using my age in that derogatory manner makes you all the more childish. Which combined with your defending of this idiot probes me to enquire your age and your taste in music - with low expecations.

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Your posts indicate that you are indeed quite young - you want to take that as derogatory, go right ahead.

As do yours.

You can laugh all you want - which is just a further example of your patronising tone.

The way you said it was derogatory but there's no point going back and forth

What he said was wrong regardless of age or any other supposed mitigating circumstance you can think of.

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JustErin said:

Empress said:

Why the eye rolling? The kid's life couldn't taken a wrong turn if it weren't for music. He wasn't exactly born with a silver spoon in his mouth and things could've gone either way for him. His music is no worse than the likes of

Nicki Manaj

Katy Perry

Britney Spears

Rihanna

Need I name more??

Lighten up.

And most of these artists are either produced by or have their songs written by the same people.

I'll never understand the hate this kid gets. He does play multiple instruments, he strives to be as big as Michael Jackson, he works hard and loves what he does and honestly makes a hell of a lot of people happy.

Not a fan of that kind of music? That's cool, everyone likes different things.

Hate the kid or wish him failure? That's just fucking weird.

This is the problem right here

Well I dont think people hate him but I think people are annoyed with the Michael Jackson comparisions because his talent as well as his lack luster music doesnt compare or come remotely close

. I find a hard time believing someone who says they strive to be like MJ but constantly makes mediocre music similiar to what Beyonce and Usher does, make all these prestigeous statements but the material doesnt live up to it.

It seems Bieber just wants his fame to be on the same level as MJ instead of really modeling the artistic creative aspect of MJ which played a part in why he was as big as he was.

I am not knocking nobodys grind but its utterly ridiculous for you to expect people to not have an opinion on a artist who is below average that constantly gets compared to higher calibar artists.

I would not have a issue if they would not keep comparing him to MJ, like SERIOUSLY?

Ive heard better singers that dont even have a record label that make much better music, thats what peoples issue is with his gimmick.

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mjscarousal said:

JustErin said:

And most of these artists are either produced by or have their songs written by the same people.

I'll never understand the hate this kid gets. He does play multiple instruments, he strives to be as big as Michael Jackson, he works hard and loves what he does and honestly makes a hell of a lot of people happy.

Not a fan of that kind of music? That's cool, everyone likes different things.

Hate the kid or wish him failure? That's just fucking weird.

This is the problem right here

Well I dont think people hate him but I think people are annoyed with the Michael Jackson comparisions because his talent as well as his lack luster music doesnt compare or come remotely close

. I find a hard time believing someone who says they strive to be like MJ but constantly makes mediocre music similiar to what Beyonce and Usher does, make all these prestigeous statements but the material doesnt live up to it.

It seems Bieber just wants his fame to be on the same level as MJ instead of really modeling the artistic creative aspect of MJ which played a part in why he was as big as he was.

I am not knocking nobodys grind but its utterly ridiculous for you to expect people to not have an opinion on a artist who is below average that constantly gets compared to higher calibar artists.

I would not have a issue if they would not keep comparing him to MJ, like SERIOUSLY?

Ive heard better singers that dont even have a record label that make much better music, thats what peoples issue is with his gimmick.

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Seriously? That's a "problem"?

Where did I say that I expected people not to have an opinion on an artist?

But you do realize that it's all subjective when it comes to so called music superiority, right?

If others compare him to MJ (which I would not do), that's on them, not this kid...all he seems to be saying is that he strives to be like him. Do you not strive to be your personal best at something you love to do? Why should he, or anyone else be shit on for saying something like that. Oh yeah, because YOU personally believe he and the others you listed are making mediocre music. I am not even a fan of Justin Bieber or any of the others you listed but I can guarantee that there are artists you think are amazing that I would think were mediocre compared to some of the artists I like and vice versa.

But everyone likes to think they are the expert on what is the best music, right?

And yeah, I've heard better singers than both JB and MJ (and most of the artists that are making records) that do not have record deals. He's really no different than 95% of artists in that respect.

So instead, all our lives have to be bad?

He could have always made it as a Hilary Swank lookalike.

JustErin said:

mjscarousal said:

This is the problem right here

Well I dont think people hate him but I think people are annoyed with the Michael Jackson comparisions because his talent as well as his lack luster music doesnt compare or come remotely close

. I find a hard time believing someone who says they strive to be like MJ but constantly makes mediocre music similiar to what Beyonce and Usher does, make all these prestigeous statements but the material doesnt live up to it.

It seems Bieber just wants his fame to be on the same level as MJ instead of really modeling the artistic creative aspect of MJ which played a part in why he was as big as he was.

I am not knocking nobodys grind but its utterly ridiculous for you to expect people to not have an opinion on a artist who is below average that constantly gets compared to higher calibar artists.

I would not have a issue if they would not keep comparing him to MJ, like SERIOUSLY?

Ive heard better singers that dont even have a record label that make much better music, thats what peoples issue is with his gimmick.

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Seriously? That's a "problem"?

You asked why some people have an issue with Bieber.... well.. thats primarily the reason. This isnt rocket science, he is overrated and its disrespectful how he gets compared to legendary artists period. You seem to not care about that thats fine but thats YOUR view point and just because people have differ opinions doesnt mean they hate him as a person.

Where did I say that I expected people not to have an opinion on an artist?

Your over generalizing peoples constructive opinion on him by insisting people hate him or wish him to fail. To be honest, I dont wish none of the above but that doesnt mean I am going to feed into the medias manipulating oversaturation of him when his mediocre.

But you do realize that it's all subjective when it comes to so called music superiority, right?

This isnt about music superiority. This is about JUSIN BIEBER and the artists he gets compared to which is why he is overrated. He is objectively not on that level in all areas to the artists he gets compared to period.

If others compare him to MJ (which I would not do), that's on them, not this kid...

Your right but Justin has made statements on numerous occasions that implies he feeds into these comparisions.

all he seems to be saying is that he strives to be like him. Do you not strive to be your personal best at something you love to do?

That still doesnt change the fact that the MEDIA overrates him and just because thats what he personally strives doesnt justify that and like I said before if he strives to be like a good artist than he should model that and make good music instead of pop songs just for popularity.

Why should he, or anyone else be shit on for saying something like that.

No one is shitting on him, THE KID IS OVERRATED.

He knows he gets compared to Michael Jackson, Beatles etc thats why he makes those comments mentioning MJ.. I know that MJ is an inspiation to him but he sometimes feeds into those comparisions and its annoying because his music sucks.

Oh yeah, because YOU personally believe he and the others you listed are making mediocre music.

Bieber makes poor music and these media comparisions to artists on a higher level makes that fact stand out more

I am not even a fan of Justin Bieber or any of the others you listed but I can guarantee that there are artists you think are amazing that I would think were mediocre compared to some of the artists I like and vice versa.

This isnt a competition.

I just wanted you to understand that everyone that has criticism on him does not hate him or wish him to fail but that is THERE opinion and people are entitled to it.

But everyone likes to think they are the expert on what is the best music, right?

And yeah, I've heard better singers than both JB and MJ (and most of the artists that are making records)

Justin Bieber is not Michael Jackson that was my point, you didnt have to go bashing MJ just because IM RIGHT about Bieber sucking and being a fad

There is always going to be someone a little better but MJs voice was unique and it shouldnt be in the same sentence in comparision to Bieber.

that do not have record deals. He's really no different than 95% of artists in that respect.

That isnt true, there are people with record deals that can sing better than Bieber and has overall better material You making this discussion more broader than what it is. This is about BIEBER and its off the wall how he gets compared to legendary artists when his talent is average, his music is crap and his a pop star that is just a fad.

Subjective, subjective, subjective.

Not sure how you got that I think everyone who doesn't like his music hates him cuz I never said that, I simply said I don't understand those that say they hate him and wish for him to fail.

You thought I was "bashing" Michael Jackson because I said there are others that have a better voice than him? Interesting...

JustErin said:

Subjective, subjective, subjective.

Not sure how you got that I think everyone who doesn't like his music hates him cuz I never said that, I simply said I don't understand those that say they hate him and wish for him to fail.

You thought I was "bashing" Michael Jackson because I said there are others that have a better voice than him? Interesting...

Its pretty much a fact that does not need to be said which Im sure its true... however you were bashing because you use it to negatively bring Michael Jackson down to validate why you think its okay for Bieber to be praised as a singer but what you fail to understand is Michael had a unique voice and he was a talented vocalist UNLIKE Bieber.

I also thought it was bashing because the same arguement can be said about every single singer even the ones without record deals. There probably are better singers than Aretha, Whitney etc that dont have a record deal but the fact is... they COULD SING, they had unique voices and were able to live up to their popularity unlike alot of these pop stars today.

And it is not subjective that Bieber is not on MJs level... ITS A FACT dont be ridiculous. Thats like comparing Bieber to Prince since he plays multiple instruments.

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mjscarousal said:

JustErin said:

Subjective, subjective, subjective.

Not sure how you got that I think everyone who doesn't like his music hates him cuz I never said that, I simply said I don't understand those that say they hate him and wish for him to fail.

You thought I was "bashing" Michael Jackson because I said there are others that have a better voice than him? Interesting...

Its pretty much a fact that does not need to be said which Im sure its true... however you were bashing because you use it to negatively bring Michael Jackson down to validate why you think its okay for Bieber to be praised as a singer but what you fail to understand is Michael had a unique voice and he was a talented vocalist UNLIKE Bieber.

I also thought it was bashing because the same arguement can be said about every single singer even the ones without record deals. There probably are better singers than Aretha, Whitney etc that dont have a record deal but the fact is... they COULD SING, they had unique voices and were able to live up to their popularity unlike alot of these pop stars today.

And it is not subjective that Bieber is not on MJs level... ITS A FACT dont be ridiculous. Thats like comparing Bieber to Prince since he plays multiple instruments.

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I do believe it's you who is making things broader and over-analyzing things.

I think it's fairly safe to say that you're a MJ fan, and that's why you're getting upset at things as minor as simply using his name in the same sentence as Bieber. But that's cool.

I did not praise Bieber's singing either. I talked about people hating him and how weird that was. You turned this into a Bieber vs Jackson conversation.

I'm not a fan of either so go ahead, knock yourself out of that's what you want this to be all about.

Bieber, Beyonce, Rihanna, Britney Spears, Lil Wayne, Nicki Minaj, Katy Perry, Lady Gaga, Drake, Rick Ross, etc threads should be banned on the org.

No good ever comes of them.

JustErin said:

mjscarousal said:

Its pretty much a fact that does not need to be said which Im sure its true... however you were bashing because you use it to negatively bring Michael Jackson down to validate why you think its okay for Bieber to be praised as a singer but what you fail to understand is Michael had a unique voice and he was a talented vocalist UNLIKE Bieber.

I also thought it was bashing because the same arguement can be said about every single singer even the ones without record deals. There probably are better singers than Aretha, Whitney etc that dont have a record deal but the fact is... they COULD SING, they had unique voices and were able to live up to their popularity unlike alot of these pop stars today.

And it is not subjective that Bieber is not on MJs level... ITS A FACT dont be ridiculous. Thats like comparing Bieber to Prince since he plays multiple instruments.

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I do believe it's you who is making things broader and over-analyzing things.

No I am not You talked about the music industry industry, subjective vs objective views on music.... you talked about ALOT more than what the original article was about

I think it's fairly safe to say that you're a MJ fan, and that's why you're getting upset at things as minor as simply using his name in the same sentence as Bieber. But that's cool.

Thats rather irrelevant... Bieber gets compared to The Beatles sometimes and its utterly ridiculous how he gets compared to these legends and he is not on that calibar, period... it doesnt have to necessarily be MJ but since he is mentioned in the article I suggested how its ridiculous how he is always compared to him BUT his compared to alot of other legendary artists as well.

And I am not being upset about anything. You insisted that people hate him... that was a bit extreme. Just because some find him to be overrated (which he is ) doesnt mean people hate him.

And the only reason why I said your notion of subjectivity in this case was absurd was because Bieber is not MJ or on his level and that isnt an opinion, its objectively true which you were implying wasnt

I did not praise Bieber's singing either. I talked about people hating him and how weird that was. You turned this into a Bieber vs Jackson conversation.

What I got was that you were implying that since their are better singers than MJ that that justifys Bieber's vocal ability which is why I said it came off like you were bashing MJ.

I did not turn this into a MJ vs Bieber debate... YOU were the one insisting that they were better singers than MJ and all I said was it was ridiculous how he gets compared to artists, MJ being one of them being he isnt on that level...

I'm not a fan of either so go ahead, knock yourself out of that's what you want this to be all about.

Its not about nothing. I just wanted to point out to you that people should be able to freely speak their opinion without it being label hate or them trying to bring an artist down which you were implying

Terrib3Towel said:

Bieber, Beyonce, Rihanna, Britney Spears, Lil Wayne, Nicki Minaj, Katy Perry, Lady Gaga, Drake, Rick Ross, etc threads should be banned on the org.

No good ever comes of them.

I dont know why people make these dumb threads They should be banned... They know people dont like them here, I think they purposely do that just to troll.... bump banning the threads, some banns of POSTERS needed to be handed out and past overdued

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mjscarousal said:

JustErin said:

Subjective, subjective, subjective.

Not sure how you got that I think everyone who doesn't like his music hates him cuz I never said that, I simply said I don't understand those that say they hate him and wish for him to fail.

You thought I was "bashing" Michael Jackson because I said there are others that have a better voice than him? Interesting...

Its pretty much a fact that does not need to be said which Im sure its true... however you were bashing because you use it to negatively bring Michael Jackson down to validate why you think its okay for Bieber to be praised as a singer but what you fail to understand is Michael had a unique voice and he was a talented vocalist UNLIKE Bieber.

I also thought it was bashing because the same arguement can be said about every single singer even the ones without record deals. There probably are better singers than Aretha, Whitney etc that dont have a record deal but the fact is... they COULD SING, they had unique voices and were able to live up to their popularity unlike alot of these pop stars today.

And it is not subjective that Bieber is not on MJs level... ITS A FACT dont be ridiculous. Thats like comparing Bieber to Prince since he plays multiple instruments.

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This made me LOL, and its true.

Of course its subjective but that doesnt mean that one thing cant be better than another. It's all about making an informed/educated/intelligent/unbiased judgment which thereby validates your opinion in comparison that of an infatuated hysterical teen (not addressed to you mjscarousal).

And besides; any idiot can play an instrument or two at a basic level. Its using the instruments to compose that matters, and to be able to play at a high level. This is something Bieber cannot do; but he might be able to play the utterly simple - but nonetheless beautiful - 'Imagine' whist screeching the lyrics in the most god-awful tone imaginable - is that someone who can play multiple instruments and deserves success rooted by so-called talent and intelligence?

Regardless, I don't wish his downfall - but don't expect people to sing his praise or even speak passively concerning him - particularly because of the idiotic/hurtful things he said and the influence over millions of young girls he has. For someone who doesnt even attend church he has pretty extremist views - or perhaps its just an example of the complete arrogance and callous views that these talentless singers have.

Rant over

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Empress said:

novabrkr said:

Well, his music is worse than the music of the pop artists listed above.

Not in my opinion. His music is on the same level. The 4 I mentioned have no more talent or better voices than Justin. In fact, I don't think I've ever heard 2 of them actually sing (Britney and Nicki), they usually just lip-sync. It's too bad Justin doesn't have tits and ass to swing around. I mean, come on

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In my opinion, Britney is the one who ultimately started the degeneration of music in this current era. She may have some great songs; but, when you pay top dollar for top notch songwriters and producers why wouldn't you get hit songs? Why should anyone be mad at any artist who came out after her because if she can amass a fortune and iconic levels of fame from being a puppet than why should any other artist be crucified for following in her footsteps? Why work hard when you can work smart by paying other people to do the more difficult elements of the work for you? It's kinda like that kid during group projects who just showed up but really didn't do much of anything; yet, he/she still got the same amount of credit as everyone else because they put their name on the finished work. Disgusting really.

To me, Britney has always been nothing more than a sex object who lip-syncs 95% of her songs; does dance routines that she had no hand in actually making; has written and produced less than 5% of her music catalog in her 10+ year career (thank God for amazing songwriters because she sure wouldn't have made it without them); and doesn't really play any instruments at all. Why should anyone be mad at any pop artist out now if they aren't upset with Ms. Spears for having a hand in making this lack of skill set acceptable and appreciated? Justin, Katy, Rihanna, and Nicki all write their songs which is probably why they aren't as amazing as paying a seasoned songwriter to do the work for them but at least they put in the work. Sorry but Britney will always be the most overrated artist in the history of recorded sound to me. All just my on the matter.

estelle81 said:

Empress said:

Not in my opinion. His music is on the same level. The 4 I mentioned have no more talent or better voices than Justin. In fact, I don't think I've ever heard 2 of them actually sing (Britney and Nicki), they usually just lip-sync. It's too bad Justin doesn't have tits and ass to swing around. I mean, come on

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In my opinion, Britney is the one who ultimately started the degeneration of music in this current era. She may have some great songs; but, when you pay top dollar for top notch songwriters and producers why wouldn't you get hit songs? Why should anyone be mad at any artist who came out after her because if she can amass a fortune and iconic levels of fame from being a puppet than why should any other artist be crucified for following in her footsteps? Why work hard when you can work smart by paying other people to do the more difficult elements of the work for you? It's kinda like that kid during group projects who just showed up but really didn't do much of anything; yet, he/she still got the same amount of credit as everyone else because they put their name on the finished work. Disgusting really.

To me, Britney has always been nothing more than a sex object who lip-syncs 95% of her songs; does dance routines that she had no hand in actually making; has written and produced less than 5% of her music catalog in her 10+ year career (thank God for amazing songwriters because she sure wouldn't have made it without them); and doesn't really play any instruments at all. Why should anyone be mad at any pop artist out now if they aren't upset with Ms. Spears for having a hand in making this lack of skill set acceptable and appreciated? Justin, Katy, Rihanna, and Nicki all write their songs which is probably why they aren't as amazing as paying a seasoned songwriter to do the work for them but at least they put in the work. Sorry but Britney will always be the most overrated artist in the history of recorded sound to me. All just my on the matter.

You hit the nail on the head!

estelle81 said:

Empress said:

Not in my opinion. His music is on the same level. The 4 I mentioned have no more talent or better voices than Justin. In fact, I don't think I've ever heard 2 of them actually sing (Britney and Nicki), they usually just lip-sync. It's too bad Justin doesn't have tits and ass to swing around. I mean, come on

[Edited 10/29/12 10:04am]

In my opinion, Britney is the one who ultimately started the degeneration of music in this current era. She may have some great songs; but, when you pay top dollar for top notch songwriters and producers why wouldn't you get hit songs? Why should anyone be mad at any artist who came out after her because if she can amass a fortune and iconic levels of fame from being a puppet than why should any other artist be crucified for following in her footsteps? Why work hard when you can work smart by paying other people to do the more difficult elements of the work for you? It's kinda like that kid during group projects who just showed up but really didn't do much of anything; yet, he/she still got the same amount of credit as everyone else because they put their name on the finished work. Disgusting really.

To me, Britney has always been nothing more than a sex object who lip-syncs 95% of her songs; does dance routines that she had no hand in actually making; has written and produced less than 5% of her music catalog in her 10+ year career (thank God for amazing songwriters because she sure wouldn't have made it without them); and doesn't really play any instruments at all. Why should anyone be mad at any pop artist out now if they aren't upset with Ms. Spears for having a hand in making this lack of skill set acceptable and appreciated? Justin, Katy, Rihanna, and Nicki all write their songs which is probably why they aren't as amazing as paying a seasoned songwriter to do the work for them but at least they put in the work. Sorry but Britney will always be the most overrated artist in the history of recorded sound to me. All just my on the matter.

I am not a Brittany Spears fan but when have you ever heard Spears say that she wanted to reach Michael Jackson status? or manipulate the press into thinking she is MJ or Madonna??

Brittany Spears might have been overrated as well in her heyday but she never tried to put on that she was more than what she was. Ive heard Spears from her own mouth insist that she just wants to make music for fun and to make people feel good. She never implies that she is a serious artist like Bieber, Beyonce and Usher does with insisting they are going to make a new musical genre and implying they are the next MJ's... like WTF I dont like Brittany either but Ive never heard Brittany Spears say anything like that.

I dont like Brittany Spears but she will always have my respect in that regard. She doesnt try to come off like she is just this iconic authentic artist like Beyonce, Bieber, Usher and so forth does. At least she knows she is just a pop star and she is not on that level unlike Bieber and a couple others.

And I think Beyonce is the most overrated artist in the industry with writing 0 songs, 16 grammys and other prestigeous awards... Brittany doesnt have any of that but thats my 2cents

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mjscarousal said:

estelle81 said:

In my opinion, Britney is the one who ultimately started the degeneration of music in this current era. She may have some great songs; but, when you pay top dollar for top notch songwriters and producers why wouldn't you get hit songs? Why should anyone be mad at any artist who came out after her because if she can amass a fortune and iconic levels of fame from being a puppet than why should any other artist be crucified for following in her footsteps? Why work hard when you can work smart by paying other people to do the more difficult elements of the work for you? It's kinda like that kid during group projects who just showed up but really didn't do much of anything; yet, he/she still got the same amount of credit as everyone else because they put their name on the finished work. Disgusting really.

To me, Britney has always been nothing more than a sex object who lip-syncs 95% of her songs; does dance routines that she had no hand in actually making; has written and produced less than 5% of her music catalog in her 10+ year career (thank God for amazing songwriters because she sure wouldn't have made it without them); and doesn't really play any instruments at all. Why should anyone be mad at any pop artist out now if they aren't upset with Ms. Spears for having a hand in making this lack of skill set acceptable and appreciated? Justin, Katy, Rihanna, and Nicki all write their songs which is probably why they aren't as amazing as paying a seasoned songwriter to do the work for them but at least they put in the work. Sorry but Britney will always be the most overrated artist in the history of recorded sound to me. All just my on the matter.

I am not a Brittany Spears fan but when have you ever heard Spears say that she wanted to reach Michael Jackson status? or manipulate the press into thinking she is MJ or Madonna??

Brittany Spears might have been overrated as well in her heyday but she never tried to put on that she was more than what she was. Ive heard Spears from her own mouth insist that she just wants to make music for fun and to make people feel good. She never implies that she is a serious artist like Bieber, Beyonce and Usher does with insisting they are going to make a new musical genre and implying they are the next MJ's... like WTF I dont like Brittany either but Ive never heard Brittany Spears say anything like that.

I dont like Brittany Spears but she will always have my respect in that regard. She doesnt try to come off like she is just this iconic authentic artist like Beyonce, Bieber, Usher and so forth does. At least she knows she is just a pop star and she is not on that level unlike Bieber and a couple others.

And I think Beyonce is the most overrated artist in the industry with writing 0 songs, 16 grammys and other prestigeous awards... Brittany doesnt have any of that but thats my 2cents

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If Britney had ever opened her mouth and tried to sell herself as an MJ, a Madonna, hell even a Janet (who I feel she copies more than Madonna) than she would have been ridiculed and crucified by everyone who has the ability to hear and see. You can't compare yourself to artists who have any type of major control over their careers and are multi-dimensional. Britney may throw in her on certain aspects of what she likes and doesn't like but she damn sure ain't on no MJ or Madonna level and it would be a joke to even think she is. I think she's a lot smarter than that; and if she isn't, her label definitely is. No way in the deepest, darkest recesses of Hades would her label ever let her say some bullshit like this; and, no way is anyone in her camp gonna be stupid enough to write "I'm the next MJ and/or Madonna" on one of Britney's little cue cards either.

That 'making a new musical genre' nonsense should simple be seen as exactly what it is...arrogance. Even MJ and Madonna have suffered from arrogance during their careers so I can't pick on some when they are all guilty of this lack of humilty at some point or another. It is greatly believed that MJ was the person who actually coined the title 'King of Pop'....how true that actually is remains hearsay. All I can say is that anyone can make up a title for themselves but you still have to make it a believable one by the work you put in and I think MJ is the only true 'King of Pop' and the title is totally deserved.

As for Beyonce, the girl can sing...point, blank, period. 'Love On Top' is the one song from her where I think her vocal range is on ridiculous levels. I'm not a Beyonce lover but I have to give credit where it is due and 'Love On Top' is a crazy hard song to pull off without some skilled vocal abilities. Britney actually has won a Grammy and VMAs in the past few years. The only awards Beyonce has over her is probably BET awards which why would they nominate Britney for a BET award? The Grammys gave Britney an award for Best Dance album which was a new category when she won it. Beyonce is definitely overrated but no where near Britney's level of unwarranted praise and adoration but different strokes for different folks I often say.

The only respect I have for Britney is that she's one hellava hustler who understands and accepts that she's nothing more than just a brand. Her name is meant to hock random products and she's cool with that because it keeps her wealthy...I can't be mad at her for having some amount of common sense in that regard. She stopped trying to be a real artist a long time ago so that's why she "wants to make music for fun and to make people feel good." That girl could probably sell you your own damn socks. She's always had a very sunny and likeable personality which is why I believe many of her fans stand behind her soo strongly to this very day. It's one of the major reasons why I love Katy Perry but even I won't defend her vocal inabilities and have no problem saying that she's a very weak singer. Katy is a pop artist too who happens to write songs and has the ability to play more than one instrument so I give her 100 times more credit than I can and will ever bestow on Ms. Spears regardless of how many people want to dog Ms. Perry. But, musically, Britney hasn't had any vocal prowess since before her debut album. Her voice was once very interesting despite her never being a powerhouse vocalist. Years of alcohol and cigarettes destroyed it to the point of her having to be auto-tuned to make her songs listenable nowadays.

Upon reading that very drawn out Bieber article, never once did I read anywhere where he said he's the next MJ. All I read that had MJ's name mentioned in this article were these quotes/statements:

Where is anyone reading from these three MJ statements that he thinks he's the next MJ? He says he wants to be loved like Michael and getting the title 'King of Pop' is the real challenge in the end. Which is the same way that Chris Brown, Usher, Ne-Yo, Justin Timberlake, and countless other artists who have arisen long after Michael Jackson had already conquered the world feel. Who doesn't want to be like MJ? Hell, I want to be loved like MJ....the world stopped when that man left it and that screams volumes of how much of an impact he left on millions of people's lives. Nobody will be the next MJ just like nobody will be the next Whitney and I can't tell you how many female artists have proclaimed their love for Ms. Houston and credited her with the reason they wanted to become singers. Just because a new artists throws out a legend's name doesn't mean they don't want to model their careers after their icon's...nor does it mean they don't have a right to shoot for the stars and try to achieve iconic greatness. MJ did things artists can only dream of accomplishing in their lives so why wouldn't any artist want to be on his level of achievement? I can't hate on the kid for setting a goal for himself...a very HUGE goal, but a goal nonetheless. Only time will tell how truly dedicated his fans are to him because at the end of the day, MJ wouldn't have been the 'King of Pop' if millions of people hadn't love him soo much. Only time will tell how this saga ends.

@estelle81 you're so right about "Love On Top" the key change in that song is sick! I kinda wish Whitney had sang that song lol.

estelle81 said:

If Britney had ever opened her mouth and tried to sell herself as an MJ, a Madonna, hell even a Janet (who I feel she copies more than Madonna) than she would have been ridiculed and crucified by everyone who has the ability to hear and see.

You can't compare yourself to artists who have any type of major control over their careers and are multi-dimensional. Britney may throw in her on certain aspects of what she likes and doesn't like but she damn sure ain't on no MJ or Madonna level and it would be a joke to even think she is. I think she's a lot smarter than that; and if she isn't, her label definitely is. No way in the deepest, darkest recesses of Hades would her label ever let her say some bullshit like this; and, no way is anyone in her camp gonna be stupid enough to write "I'm the next MJ and/or Madonna" on one of Britney's little cue cards either.

I really REALLY do not like Brittany Spears.............. but I think you are being a little biased here because the same thing can be said about Bieber, Usher and even Beyonce

What makes it okay for Beyonce to say she is the next MJ and not Brittany?

You seem to justify this ... JUST because Beyonce has a descent voice. She can sing (not the greatest singer in the world but she has vocal ability obviously)...... but she not all of that, there are better singers than her (Adele, Amy, Jaziman etc), She also does not have the talent to convey emotion when she sings, screams alont, She also steals ideas and writing credits among other things and she is a decidely average dancer

I dont care if she had the voice of Aretha Franklin , she does not have the overall talent or the catalogue to BACK that claim .... PERIOD. And just because she is a pop star that can sing doesnt make it OKAY for her to be compared to Michael Jackson

That 'making a new musical genre' nonsense should simple be seen as exactly what it is...arrogance.

I think if Brittany Spears was the one making those claims you would have a different opinion.

Your minimizing a point I am trying to make

The fact is Brittany has NEVER said anything like that. She doesnt think of herself MORE than what she is. She knows she is just a pop star.. she doesnt consider herself to be legendary or even iconic unlike overrated artists like Beyonce, Bieber, Usher and even Rihanna who said she wanted to be the black Madonna

ALL of them are just pop stars, nothing more and nothing less... so they should not be making ridiculous statements like that when they dont have the artistic merits to back it up with.

I dont like Brittany but I have to give credit where it is dued and she has never made arrogant comments like that.

Even MJ and Madonna have suffered from arrogance during their careers so I can't pick on some when they are all guilty of this lack of humilty at some point or another.

Why are you making this about them when this is about Brittany Spears?

MJ for the most part was very humble and he hardly made arrogant claims like alot of these pop stars do. Madonna on the other hand well thats just Madonna

It is greatly believed that MJ was the person who actually coined the title 'King of Pop'....how true that actually is remains hearsay.

It is hearsay, he never called himself that

All I can say is that anyone can make up a title for themselves but you still have to make it a believable one by the work you put in and I think MJ is the only true 'King of Pop' and the title is totally deserved.

I agree

As for Beyonce, the girl can sing...point, blank, period

I never said she couldnt

So are you saying just because she can sing she deserves to be called the new Michael Jackson? Thats a rather generic reason because if thats the case alot of people should be called the new Michael Jackson because I know alot of people that can sing that dont have record deals and some even sing better than Beyonce.

. 'Love On Top' is the one song from her where I think her vocal range is on ridiculous levels.

Mmmmm I dont know about all of that... Love on Top is one of her better songs but she is screaming and slighting straining on that song so thats an exaggeration.

I'm not a Beyonce lover but I have to give credit where it is due and 'Love On Top' is a crazy hard song to pull off without some skilled vocal abilities.

Nobody never said she couldnt sing but I am still trying to understand why does that make her legendary status or worthy to be compared to Michael Jackson? :/

She has even been compared to Ella Fitzrald So are you saying since she can sing she deserves that. Than going by that logic why dont you call Adele the new Aretha Franklin and Ledsi the new Teena Marie

Britney actually has won a Grammy and VMAs in the past few years. The only awards Beyonce has over her is probably BET awards which why would they nominate Britney for a BET award? The Grammys gave Britney an award for Best Dance album which was a new category when she won it. Beyonce is definitely overrated but no where near Britney's level of unwarranted praise and adoration but different strokes for different folks I often say.

I disagree with this.

For one thing, there both overrated which is already evident but Beyonce has won prestigeous awards, she won an milenium award and a international award and was the first woman to win it in and the past recepients were MJ, Beegees, Rolling Stones etc You mean to tell me they could not have given that award to Madonna, Whitney, Janet Thats HELLA overrated not to mention she has 16 grammys Brittany is no where near overrated as Beyonce in the awards/accolades department. Beyonce is being compared to alot more legendary artists than Brittany and she is also a media darling compared to Brittany who constantlys gets bashed all the time.

And I feel like the only reason why you think Brittany is more overrated is because of her vocals well your right about that but Beyonce besides her vocals, doesnt write, produce, arrange anything either, she does not come up with her own choregraphy, and steal peoples ideas her music also sucks unlike Brittanys and Brittany was a much better dancer . Brittanys music sucks to me to but she has a overall better catalogue with a few good songs over Beyonce

The only respect I have for Britney is that she's one hellava hustler who understands and accepts that she's nothing more than just a brand.

Like I said your speaking to the choir because I am not her fan but I just wanted to point out she doesnt think to highly of herself unlike her overrated peers because to be honest their all on the same level of credibility as far as I am concered which is 0.

But I still respect her for that.

Upon reading that very drawn out Bieber article, never once did I read anywhere where he said he's the next MJ. All I read that had MJ's name mentioned in this article were these quotes/statements:

Past statements love

mjscarousal said:

estelle81 said:

If Britney had ever opened her mouth and tried to sell herself as an MJ, a Madonna, hell even a Janet (who I feel she copies more than Madonna) than she would have been ridiculed and crucified by everyone who has the ability to hear and see.

You can't compare yourself to artists who have any type of major control over their careers and are multi-dimensional. Britney may throw in her on certain aspects of what she likes and doesn't like but she damn sure ain't on no MJ or Madonna level and it would be a joke to even think she is. I think she's a lot smarter than that; and if she isn't, her label definitely is. No way in the deepest, darkest recesses of Hades would her label ever let her say some bullshit like this; and, no way is anyone in her camp gonna be stupid enough to write "I'm the next MJ and/or Madonna" on one of Britney's little cue cards either.

I really REALLY do not like Brittany Spears.............. but I think you are being a little biased here because the same thing can be said about Bieber, Usher and even Beyonce

What makes it okay for Beyonce to say she is the next MJ and not Brittany?

You seem to justify this ... JUST because Beyonce has a descent voice. She can sing (not the greatest singer in the world but she has vocal ability obviously)...... but she not all of that, there are better singers than her (Adele, Amy, Jaziman etc), She also does not have the talent to convey emotion when she sings, screams alont, She also steals ideas and writing credits among other things and she is a decidely average dancer

I dont care if she had the voice of Aretha Franklin , she does not have the overall talent or the catalogue to BACK that claim .... PERIOD. And just because she is a pop star that can sing doesnt make it OKAY for her to be compared to Michael Jackson

Like I said your speaking to the choir because I am not her fan but I just wanted to point out she doesnt think to highly of herself unlike her overrated peers because to be honest their all on the same level of credibility as far as I am concered which is 0.

But I still respect her for that.

Upon reading that very drawn out Bieber article, never once did I read anywhere where he said he's the next MJ. All I read that had MJ's name mentioned in this article were these quotes/statements:

Past statements love

What I'm not ultimately understanding from your response is where you've read or heard any artist say they ARE the next MJ. I've heard several artists say they wanted to be like MJ or they wished they could be as successful as MJ (which, again, who the hell doesn't want to be as iconic as MJ ) but never have I ever heard any artist utter the exact words, "I'm the next MJ." If you have a sound clip, youtube video, or article with any of these above mentioned artists (or any artist for that matter) saying this nonsense than I'd be totally on your side because like I have repeatedly said, NOBODY is the next MJ!!! (neck roll; finger snap --> we really need an emoticon for this gesture ). There will never be another MJ, another Whitney, another Luther, another Aaliyah, another Jimi Hendrix, another Bob Marley, another Freddie Mercury, another Elvis, another John Lennon, another Tupac, another Biggie...should I keep going. To continue to imply that I believe such a ridiculous thing is like believing that the sky is green. I will NEVER believe ANY artist is the next MJ NEVER...period. Once an artist of that magnitude has left this life for the next, they will NEVER be replaced to me no matter how many people may think it's possible. Sure, they may have artists who do a good job emulating these legendary artists but they will never be these icons to me so moving on.

Your post makes it sound as if I'm praising one artist more than another. When I say the things I say about Britney, I say then based on all-around artistry...i.e. quality of live performances, vocal abilities, songwriting prowess, ability to play instruments, showmanship, and personality/image. Sorry, but Britney really only has (or had based off of what I've seen of her last performances) showmanship but she still has the imagery to an extent. Personally, I have to take into account all these areas when I call any artist overrated and she's at the bottom of the majority of these categories for me. If you want to be mad at me for being honest than I can't stop you but for me this is the reality of Britney's career from my perspective starting from when she first came out to now.

Thank you for saying Adele is a better singer BTW because most people on the Org usually don't have nice things to say about her...I've loved her since '19'. All I said was that Beyonce can sing which she can. I even said that Britney had a very interesting voice before her debut album dropped based on her MMC performances and other talent shows she did before getting signed. I never said anything about Beyonce's songwriting abilities (or lack thereof). Changing one word in a song does not make you a songwriter or a co-songwriter IMO and that's often what Beyonce does to get that credit so you won't ever see me defend her in that area. As for her dancing, Britney was a better chorographed dancer than Beyonce is on her best day. As for that 'Ella Fitzgerald' comparison, I was pissed when Beyonce was allowed to sing 'At Last' at Obama's first Inaugural ball when Etta James should have been the only choice. Still repulses me they let her do that when Etta was still very much alive at that time.

It's okay if you like Britney Spears....nothing wrong with defending her, which you are actually doing in your response. If you think she's a good artist, than you have the right to love her and there's nothing wrong with that. Like I've stated on numerous occasions, I love Katy Perry despite her less than stellar vocal abilities and her questionable image (I'm really over the Candyland thing personally). In calling me biased, you really aren't proving to be any less biased yourself regarding Beyonce. Trust me, I'm not going to defend her because I've wanted her to take a long break for years now but I refuse to deny that she has a very good voice. All the statements you make regarding her are what OTHER people have said about her. They are probably even things she's said about herself - what do I know, I can't stand listening to her talk; her speaking voice drives me insane so I avoid her interviews like the plague. I think in the realm of vocalists she's no where near the top. I've always thought that Christina Aguilera and P!nk were waaay better vocalists than Beyonce but that's just me.

If Britney was claiming to have made a new music genre, I'd say the same thing I said initially. I don't believe there are any new avenues left to say a new music genre can be made. I believe that pretty much everything has been done already. Sounds can be altered a bit but it'll still be just an altered form of an already existing genre to me.

You keep throwing Usher into the mix when you hesitate to understand that Usher has been doing music since he was like 13 years old. I've never been a fan of the man but even I can't deny that he's got something that gives him staying power and his vocal abilities are good. I think his new music is blah for the most part but he has a good song every so often. He still dances very well and in his heyday could have outdanced Chris Brown I believe. His falsettos in 'Climax' were very nice...I was impressed watching him perform that song live a few months ago at some awards show (can't remember which one).

There are VERY few artists that I praise everything they do...in fact, now that I think about it, there really aren't any artists that I praise 100%. I'm a realist and they are all human beings regardless of how famous they are. With fame and power comes some level of arrogance, whether small or large, so I can't agree with you that MJ was humble 100% of the time. I think he was waay more humble than most in his fame bracket but to believe he didn't think he was the shit at all is a bit much considering I've seen several portraits of MJ over the years with him dressed as a king. There is a bit of arrogance in that in itself but that's just how I interpret that. Humans in general are an arrogant species so it's not inescapable. Now, ignorance, I feel, is avoidable, like when Kanye said that Beyonce made the best video of all time. That was some ignorant and false crap and if he had been sober, I think he may not have said that bullshit...well, maybe he would have; he is Kanye.

Like my last statement said, I can't hate on any artist for striving to be as successful as MJ because it's a great goal to set for yourself if you want to be in the music industry. Who sets their sights on being less than the best? If I were a new artist, I'm not gonna shot to be the next Amy Winehouse. I'm gonna strive to be the next Billie Holiday or Etta James. I'm not trying to be like Christina Aguilera. I wanna be like Whitney or hell even better Aretha. The only artist that I've heard say they didn't feel this way recently was Katy Perry in her documentary 'Part of Me'. She said she just wanted to be the next Katy Perry. If all new artists worked at being themselves, than the music industry probably would be a whole lot better now. We don't need bad knock-offs of legendary greats...we really don't.

estelle81 said:

mjscarousal said:

Past statements love

What I'm not ultimately understanding from your response is where you've read or heard any artist say they ARE the next MJ. I've heard several artists say they wanted to be like MJ or they wished they could be as successful as MJ (which, again, who the hell doesn't want to be as iconic as MJ ) but never have I ever heard any artist utter the exact words, "I'm the next MJ." If you have a sound clip, youtube video, or article with any of these above mentioned artists (or any artist for that matter) saying this nonsense than I'd be totally on your side because like I have repeatedly said, NOBODY is the next MJ!!! (neck roll; finger snap --> we really need an emoticon for this gesture ). There will never be another MJ, another Whitney, another Luther, another Aaliyah, another Jimi Hendrix, another Bob Marley, another Freddie Mercury, another Elvis, another John Lennon, another Tupac, another Biggie...should I keep going. To continue to imply that I believe such a ridiculous thing is like believing that the sky is green. I will NEVER believe ANY artist is the next MJ NEVER...period. Once an artist of that magnitude has left this life for the next, they will NEVER be replaced to me no matter how many people may think it's possible. Sure, they may have artists who do a good job emulating these legendary artists but they will never be these icons to me so moving on.

Just making sure because I was kinda worried

Your post makes it sound as if I'm praising one artist more than another.

Because you were. You said flat out Beyonce could sing (which I never denied) but you made that arguement to imply since she could sing she deserves to be compared to legendary artists unlike Brittany which is why I said you were being biased because NEITHER of them deserve that.

To be honest, I find ALL of them to be overrated (Brittany, current Usher, Beyonce, Bieber etc) The ONLY thing I wanted to point out to you was unlike the rest Brittany isnt arrogant and doesnt think more of what she is.

When I say the things I say about Britney, I say then based on all-around artistry...i.e. quality of live performances, vocal abilities, songwriting prowess, ability to play instruments, showmanship, and personality/image. Sorry, but Britney really only has (or had based off of what I've seen of her last performances) showmanship but she still has the imagery to an extent.

Like I said... I never denied Brittany was overrated and for the 50 million time I am not her fan but you were implying Beyonce was superior than her and because of that it is okay she is called the next MJ by justifying it with saying she could sing.

Personally, I have to take into account all these areas when I call any artist overrated and she's at the bottom of the majority of these categories for me. If you want to be mad at me for being honest than I can't stop you but for me this is the reality of Britney's career from my perspective starting from when she first came out to now.

Preaching to the choir... we know this already... never said she wasnt overrated.

Thank you for saying Adele is a better singer BTW because most people on the Org usually don't have nice things to say about her...I've loved her since '19'. All I said was that Beyonce can sing which she can.

Yes she has some vocal chops but there are much better singers... shes descent but not exceptional. Ive always been a fan of Adele and I would say right now as far as pop stars goes she has the best voice out of all of them.

I even said that Britney had a very interesting voice before her debut album dropped based on her MMC performances and other talent shows she did before getting signed. I never said anything about Beyonce's songwriting abilities (or lack thereof). Changing one word in a song does not make you a songwriter or a co-songwriter IMO and that's often what Beyonce does to get that credit so you won't ever see me defend her in that area. As for her dancing, Britney was a better chorographed dancer than Beyonce is on her best day. As for that 'Ella Fitzgerald' comparison, I was pissed when Beyonce was allowed to sing 'At Last' at Obama's first Inaugural ball when Etta James should have been the only choice. Still repulses me they let her do that when Etta was still very much alive at that time.

I never insisted that she currently still is

I said Brittany in her PRIME means past tense was a better dancer and that isnt saying much being Brittany was not exceptional herself but she was lightyears better than Beyonce is.

And your right Etta should have definitly sung HER song and if Beyonce had any real class she would have told Obama to let her do her OWN song But this is BEYONCE

It's okay if you like Britney Spears....nothing wrong with defending her, which you are actually doing in your response.

I am not a Brittany Spears fan and I do agree she is overrated and I made that clear last response I just simply respect the fact that she isnt arrogant and she doesnt try to put on that she is more than what she is unlike her annoying peers thats the only thing I wanted to point out to you and I still dont think she is more overrated than Beyonce because Beyonce is held alot higher than what Brittany Spears is. So if that means I am defending her, so be it

If you think she's a good artist, than you have the right to love her and there's nothing wrong with that. Like I've stated on numerous occasions, I love Katy Perry despite her less than stellar vocal abilities and her questionable image (I'm really over the Candyland thing personally). In calling me biased, you really aren't proving to be any less biased yourself regarding Beyonce. Trust me, I'm not going to defend her because I've wanted her to take a long break for years now but I refuse to deny that she has a very good voice. All the statements you make regarding her are what OTHER people have said about her. They are probably even things she's said about herself - what do I know, I can't stand listening to her talk; her speaking voice drives me insane so I avoid her interviews like the plague. I think in the realm of vocalists she's no where near the top. I've always thought that Christina Aguilera and P!nk were waaay better vocalists than Beyonce but that's just me.

Hun, have youve been reading my posts I do not like Brittany Spears she is overrated but I find Beyonce to be more overrated that was my only point. I am not her fan although I think she has a couple good songs over Beyonce. But I wouldnt buy neither one of their music if my life depended on it And Pink doesnt have a great voice but she has good music and she can do different things with her voice. Aguilera screams alot but she has the best voice of her generation.

You keep throwing Usher into the mix when you hesitate to understand that Usher has been doing music since he was like 13 years old. I've never been a fan of the man but even I can't deny that he's got something that gives him staying power and his vocal abilities are good. I think his new music is blah for the most part but he has a good song every so often. He still dances very well and in his heyday could have outdanced Chris Brown I believe. His falsettos in 'Climax' were very nice...I was impressed watching him perform that song live a few months ago at some awards show (can't remember which one).

His music hasnt been the same since Confessions, his not consistent and follow trends and he also gets label as the next MJ. His music was good before he went all pop. CB is a better dancer than him in my opinion (not a CB fan but just saying)

There are VERY few artists that I praise everything they do...in fact, now that I think about it, there really aren't any artists that I praise 100%. I'm a realist and they are all human beings regardless of how famous they are. With fame and power comes some level of arrogance, whether small or large, so I can't agree with you that MJ was humble 100% of the time. I think he was waay more humble than most in his fame bracket but to believe he didn't think he was the shit at all is a bit much considering I've seen several portraits of MJ over the years with him dressed as a king. There is a bit of arrogance in that in itself but that's just how I interpret that. Humans in general are an arrogant species so it's not inescapable. Now, ignorance, I feel, is avoidable, like when Kanye said that Beyonce made the best video of all time. That was some ignorant and false crap and if he had been sober, I think he may not have said that bullshit...well, maybe he would have; he is Kanye.

I said for the most part MJ was humble, he never said he was going to create a genre or anything like that or called himself a King or said he had god given talent like Beyonce did... and Kanye does... he never did that...

Like my last statement said, I can't hate on any artist for striving to be as successful as MJ because it's a great goal to set for yourself if you want to be in the music industry.

Nothing wrong with that but why set a high goal and make shitty music its like you are just trying to market of his name

Wasn't this about Justin Bieber or something?

Timmy84 said:

Wasn't this about Justin Bieber or something?

I like him (not as much as I used to) but sadly for him I don't see him making that transtion into an adult music artist. Wish him the best though.

I kinda resent statements like this.

Musicians who are successful are always saying "I would be dead or in jail if I wasn't in music", but it's like damn... lots of talented people never made it big, and they just went to sensible j-o-b's.

Cinny said:

I kinda resent statements like this.

Musicians who are successful are always saying "I would be dead or in jail if I wasn't in music", but it's like damn... lots of talented people never made it big, and they just went to sensible j-o-b's.

I fell for that shit when Mariah would say it and felt I sucked at everything, so I should also care about music only cause I used to want to be in it...didn't help at all, and I agree with the last part more than ever now

JustErin said:

Empress said:

Why the eye rolling? The kid's life couldn't taken a wrong turn if it weren't for music. He wasn't exactly born with a silver spoon in his mouth and things could've gone either way for him. His music is no worse than the likes of

Nicki Manaj

Katy Perry

Britney Spears

Rihanna

Need I name more??

Lighten up.

And most of these artists are either produced by or have their songs written by the same people.

I'll never understand the hate this kid gets. He does play multiple instruments, he strives to be as big as Michael Jackson, he works hard and loves what he does and honestly makes a hell of a lot of people happy.

Not a fan of that kind of music? That's cool, everyone likes different things.

Hate the kid or wish him failure? That's just fucking weird.

And lets not forget that If I Was Your Boyfriend was definitely Prince-inspired.

Azz said:

JustErin said:

Oh wow.

“I really don’t believe in abortion,” he told the magazine “I think [an embryo] is a human. It’s like killing a baby.”

He added that while it is “really sad” for a woman to become pregnant after being raped, he claimed that “everything happens for a reason.”

“I don’t know how that would be a reason,” he added. “I guess I haven’t been in that position, so I wouldn’t be able to judge that.”

When asked what his views on homosexuality are, Bieber responded: “It’s everyone’s own decision to do that. It doesn’t affect me and shouldn’t affect anyone else.”

‘I believe that He put me in this position, and that I have to always give Him the glory He deserves for putting me here

[Edited 10/29/12 12:04pm]

Justin Bieber is the Tim Tebow of dance-pop culture. So what?!? His Christian background is no more or less controversial than Donny Osmond's Mormon background.

Cinny said:

I kinda resent statements like this.

Musicians who are successful are always saying "I would be dead or in jail if I wasn't in music", but it's like damn... lots of talented people never made it big, and they just went to sensible j-o-b's.

Agree...