Nas can challenge Jay Z

scriptgirl said:

Nas can challenge Jay Z

Yeah. He's about the only one, out there who can.

Guess not a lot of folks here are Biggie fans. Why does Tupac get all of the respect? Dude would've gotten himself killed regardless.

mjscarousal said:

I put this on EVERYTHING and you can take this to the bank....

If Biggie was still alive, he would be Jay Z status right now in terms of popularity and having success with pop songs.

Tupac on the other hand would continue to rap but his music wouldnt be geared toward mainstream (more political and underground) and he would be kinda like what Krs One does a Hip Hop/ political intellectual speaker. He also would have matured with his antics.

They both would still be considered legends.

LOL

KRS One: "Bitches is a metaphor for cars"

Since they were both entertainers they would probably still be making music. Pac would probably have transitioned to making more films than albums, however.

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shorttrini said:

scriptgirl said:

Nas can challenge Jay Z

Yeah. He's about the only one, out there who can.

I think Mos Def.. Jay Z is not all that lyrically equipped but as far as credibility Nas is probably the only one but that doesnt seem like a priority anymore for him... as far as I am concerned he already put Jay in his place.

Spinlight said:

Guess not a lot of folks here are Biggie fans. Why does Tupac get all of the respect? Dude would've gotten himself killed regardless.

We love Biggie but there is no competition in comparision to Tupac's more lyrically equipped material combined with his drive to enlighten people about the social/policial realm of things. It was just on a more deeper level.

mjscarousal said:

Spinlight said:

Guess not a lot of folks here are Biggie fans. Why does Tupac get all of the respect? Dude would've gotten himself killed regardless.

We love Biggie but there is no competition in comparision to Tupac's more lyrically equipped material combined with his drive to enlighten people about the social/policial realm of things. It was just on a more deeper level.

Timmy84 said:

rdhull said:

dueting with Katy Perry

Given that 2pac and Madonna were once close, I wouldn't have put it pass him to do a track (Teenage Dream?!?) with Katy.

If 2pac was alive long enough, neither Eminem, 50 Cent, The Game, Lil' Wayne, & Rick Ross would NOT have a career.

Both would've gotten killed again

TonyVanDam said:

Timmy84 said:

Given that 2pac and Madonna were once close, I wouldn't have put it pass him to do a track (Teenage Dream?!?) with Katy.

Now that you put it like that...

TonyVanDam said:

If 2pac was alive long enough, neither Eminem, 50 Cent, The Game, Lil' Wayne, & Rick Ross would NOT have a career.

I COULD NOT have said it better myself!! Especially, Rick "Big Tit" Ross...

Eminem, 50 and Lil Wayne were already around when Pac and BIG were alive. Rick might've still been a correctional officer though.

Timmy84 said:

Eminem, 50 and Lil Wayne were already around when Pac and BIG were alive. Rick might've still been a correctional officer though.

I could still see 50 and Eminem having a career. I highly doubt Lil' Wayne would have a long one. There's not a snowball's chance in hell Rick would have a career

I'm not understanding the logic here..

Saying that Eminem, 50 Cent, The Game, Lil' Wayne, & Rick Ross wouldn't have a career is like saying that if somebody like Mariah Carey had died in 2000 that Beyonce, Rihanna, Gaga, Katy Perry wouldn't have careers had she survived. And we all they do have successful careers with Mariah alive and well.

A person can't stay on top their ENTIRE careers. There will be ups and downs, and eventually irrelevancy.

Terrib3Towel said:

I'm not understanding the logic here..

Saying that Eminem, 50 Cent, The Game, Lil' Wayne, & Rick Ross wouldn't have a career is like saying that if somebody like Mariah Carey had died in 2000 that Beyonce, Rihanna, Gaga, Katy Perry wouldn't have careers had she survived. And we all they do have successful careers with Mariah alive and well.

A person can't stay on top their ENTIRE careers. There will be ups and downs, and eventually irrelevancy.

Right.

Terrib3Towel said:

I'm not understanding the logic here..

Saying that Eminem, 50 Cent, The Game, Lil' Wayne, & Rick Ross wouldn't have a career is like saying that if somebody like Mariah Carey had died in 2000 that Beyonce, Rihanna, Gaga, Katy Perry wouldn't have careers had she survived. And we all they do have successful careers with Mariah alive and well.

A person can't stay on top their ENTIRE careers. There will be ups and downs, and eventually irrelevancy.

The difference is that 2Pac and Biggie died at the top of their careers

aardvark15 said:

Terrib3Towel said:

I'm not understanding the logic here..

Saying that Eminem, 50 Cent, The Game, Lil' Wayne, & Rick Ross wouldn't have a career is like saying that if somebody like Mariah Carey had died in 2000 that Beyonce, Rihanna, Gaga, Katy Perry wouldn't have careers had she survived. And we all they do have successful careers with Mariah alive and well.

A person can't stay on top their ENTIRE careers. There will be ups and downs, and eventually irrelevancy.

The difference is that 2Pac and Biggie died at the top of their careers

Well Said!

I cant speak for the other rappers because most of those rappers are from THIS generation so more than likely new rappers would have emerged but there is no way in hell Jay Z would be as popular and the only reason he is, is because they want someone to fill those two voids from that era but the problem is NOBODY can fill those voids because although they were at the top of their game, they made good music, strived to push themselves creatively and took artistic risks and didnt care what the popularity opinion thought particularly 2pac.

Although Biggie wasnt as political as 2pac he still had overall better pop rap songs that are now held as classics. He wasnt just shooting out anything like overrated Gay Z does

I dont care what anybody says.... NOBODY playing on the radio is doing that today.... the game would have been slightly different for sure.

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Wigs said:

Continuing to exploit one portion of their people while embarrassing another portion of them. R. Kelly has taken up that mantle, however. [Edited 10/28/12 21:53pm]

Lawd.

Some of you are way too invested in these celebs. It's sad, really.

scriptgirl said:

Nas can challenge Jay Z

ETHERED is now a verb.

Retired and forgotten. Dying is what made them become the undeserving legends they became. Actually, if they had lived, who knows, maybe styles would have changed and we might have got back to jamming again.

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Biggie probaby would be doing a lot of what Snoop is doing now. Putting out an album or two, guesting here and there, but probably just taking it easy. I think there are definitely more than a few rappers who wouldn't be as popular as they are had Big lived, as I think he is, IMO the best I've ever heard in terms of flow, rhythm, swing, funk, etc. If there's better I ain't heard em.

Pac I had high hopes for. He was one of the few who seemed to understand that even though he glorified all that thug bullshit, that it was still bullshit. The Makaveli album in particular made it seem like he was kinda conflicted over it all. With that said, I agree with the folks talking about him doing movies. He probably would have gotten into acting, but I always hoped he'd take up the mantle for the black community as sort of an advocate. As someone a bit younger than Al Sharpton or Jesse, I think he'd have better understood the problems facing the black community today and ways to help alleviate them. He was one of the few rappers I ever heard that seemed thoughtful and had good ideas and while he was young and dumb to a certain degree, I think he would have grown into a great man.

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vainandy said:

Retired and forgotten. Dying is what made them become the undeserving legends they became. Actually, if they had lived, who knows, maybe styles would have changed and we might have got back to jamming again.

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I love your brutal honesty!

HuMpThAnG said:

Both would've gotten killed again

Exactly.

Everything 2Pac spoke of was hypocritical...

Killuminati/Changes bull****

^ Yeah he changed his opinions in five minutes depending on the subject. I understand he was complex but dude seemed like he had a lot of demons. But half the time I often thought he was playing into his Bishop character from "Juice".

Timmy84 said:

^ Yeah he changed his opinions in five minutes depending on the subject. I understand he was complex but dude seemed like he had a lot of demons. But half the time I often thought he was playing into his Bishop character from "Juice".

Exactly. Much as I love Tupac, he was quite hypocritical. That's why I said he would probably criticize the celebs getting their own reality shows and then turn around and have one of his own.

missfee said:

Timmy84 said:

^ Yeah he changed his opinions in five minutes depending on the subject. I understand he was complex but dude seemed like he had a lot of demons. But half the time I often thought he was playing into his Bishop character from "Juice".

Exactly. Much as I love Tupac, he was quite hypocritical. That's why I said he would probably criticize the celebs getting their own reality shows and then turn around and have one of his own.

True. Plus in the final year of his life he would flip flop for two minutes. One minute he's ready to "destroy" those "bastards" who "set him up" in New York, next minute he says black people should stop fighting. What is it, man? He couldn't even keep up with his shit in his final interviews. I wonder if he was bipolar or manic depressive?