Identity said:

Um...yeah. Tyler Perry is that rare exception. Instead of complaining about Jagger co-financing the film, a question we should ask is where are the Black celebrity investors.

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Not tryin to bum rush the thread, but Spike Lee couldn't even get a major studio to look at this film. With a white guy as one of the main guys (either director, producer, scree writer) it will get looked at.

A lot of black film director try to put films out, but they really can't get out what they want unless they do a Tyler Perry. Robert Townse,d, the Hundlin Brothers, Keenen Wayans, Bill Duke, Rusty Cundieff, ect are still around, they just can't get what they want out in theaters. That's why a lot of them do straigh to mivoes now.

Fuck Spike Lee.

Yeah I said it.

LittleBLUECorvette said:

Identity said:

Um...yeah. Tyler Perry is that rare exception. Instead of complaining about Jagger co-financing the film, a question we should ask is where are the Black celebrity investors.

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Not tryin to bum rush the thread, but Spike Lee couldn't even get a major studio to look at this film.

Thats because folks hate Spike.

rdhull said:

LittleBLUECorvette said:

Not tryin to bum rush the thread, but Spike Lee couldn't even get a major studio to look at this film.

Thats because folks hate Spike.

Everyone hates Spike. Black and white.

Timmy84 said:

rdhull said:

Thats because folks hate Spike.

Everyone hates Spike. Black and white.

Yes but regardless, folks typically wouldnt back his flicks because his movies dont make money and his reputation rubs people the wrong way. I dont think black folks deny backing black films just becasue though. There's several viable reasons why they wouldnt (no funds etc ), not just on some "nah man catch u later" shit like jackson kind of stated.

rdhull said:

Timmy84 said:

Everyone hates Spike. Black and white.

Yes but regardless, folks typically wouldnt back his flicks because his movies dont make money and his reputation rubs people the wrong way. I dont think black folks deny backing black films just becasue though. There's several viable reasons why they wouldnt (no funds etc ), not just on some "nah man catch u later" shit like jackson kind of stated.

Well of course. Then again, you have to wonder how much money they ain't saving up. That might be the problem. Tyler Perry had a lot of money where he could make five films in a year and still make bank but the other black directors (Spike included) don't have that kind of coverage. Spike surely had to thank all those celebrities that chipped in for the Malcolm movie...

Timmy84 said:

rdhull said:

Yes but regardless, folks typically wouldnt back his flicks because his movies dont make money and his reputation rubs people the wrong way. I dont think black folks deny backing black films just becasue though. There's several viable reasons why they wouldnt (no funds etc ), not just on some "nah man catch u later" shit like jackson kind of stated.

Well of course. Then again, you have to wonder how much money they ain't saving up. That might be the problem. Tyler Perry had a lot of money where he could make five films in a year and still make bank but the other black directors (Spike included) don't have that kind of coverage. Spike surely had to thank all those celebrities that chipped in for the Malcolm movie...

It's crazy how it seem like Perry is the only black director making films now.

Just a decade or so ago, we had a high number of directors out. Spike, Townsend, Wayans, Bill Dudek, Rusty, Hudlin brothers, Hughes brothers.

LittleBLUECorvette said:

Timmy84 said:

Well of course. Then again, you have to wonder how much money they ain't saving up. That might be the problem. Tyler Perry had a lot of money where he could make five films in a year and still make bank but the other black directors (Spike included) don't have that kind of coverage. Spike surely had to thank all those celebrities that chipped in for the Malcolm movie...

It's crazy how it seem like Perry is the only black director making films now.

Just a decade or so ago, we had a high number of directors out. Spike, Townsend, Wayans, Bill Dudek, Rusty, Hudlin brothers, Hughes brothers.

That's true. Guess either the money was low or they were tired of it.

Timmy84 said:

LittleBLUECorvette said:

It's crazy how it seem like Perry is the only black director making films now.

Just a decade or so ago, we had a high number of directors out. Spike, Townsend, Wayans, Bill Dudek, Rusty, Hudlin brothers, Hughes brothers.

That's true. Guess either the money was low or they were tired of it.

But they got hot during the black comedy explosion of the late 80s to the 90s.

LittleBLUECorvette said:

Timmy84 said:

That's true. Guess either the money was low or they were tired of it.

But they got hot during the black comedy explosion of the late 80s to the 90s.

I know. That was a great childhood I had witnessing it on TV.

LittleBLUECorvette said:

Timmy84 said:

Well of course. Then again, you have to wonder how much money they ain't saving up. That might be the problem. Tyler Perry had a lot of money where he could make five films in a year and still make bank but the other black directors (Spike included) don't have that kind of coverage. Spike surely had to thank all those celebrities that chipped in for the Malcolm movie...

It's crazy how it seem like Perry is the only black director making films now.

Just a decade or so ago, we had a high number of directors out. Spike, Townsend, Wayans, Bill Dudek, Rusty, Hudlin brothers, Hughes brothers.

I know. Now that u mentioned it Im like wtf? Where'd all that talent go? Bruvas was working it 1985-2000

Wait-James Brown threw Mick off the Apollo stage?

scriptgirl said:

Wait-James Brown threw Mick off the Apollo stage?

No. The Famous Flames upstage the Rolling Stones at the T.A.M.I. Show. The Stones allegedly were scared of following them.

MickyDolenz said:

jackson35 said:

how is mick jagger qualified to produce a movie about a black icon? this is typical hollywood foolishness. this movie will be a whitewash of this man 's legacy.

So by your logic, any black person is more qualified. Well let's get Soulja Boy to produce the movie then.

why is it that that when Hollywood decides that we need to do a biopic on a black icon, they automatically go to a white male director and producer? mick jagger is a petty bourgeoisie singer who doesn't known shit about James brown and his struggle. mick was out screwing super models and spending money on gaudy clothes while james brown was fighting for respect and dignity in a racist music industry. he is a English man who knows nothing about the black male experience in a hostile world.

Thanks, Timmy

Timmy84 said:

scriptgirl said:

Wait-James Brown threw Mick off the Apollo stage?

No. The Famous Flames upstage the Rolling Stones at the T.A.M.I. Show. The Stones allegedly were scared of following them.

dude the tami show was 1966,i said 1973 at the apollo.

rdhull said:

jackson35 said:

how is mick jagger qualified to produce a movie about a black icon? this is typical hollywood foolishness. this movie will be a whitewash of this man 's legacy.

Jagger is proably more qualified to produce it than any black producer for a myriad of reasons. Siddown and b

As long as Jagger isn't directing the movie that's cool with me. If the movie does go through, I would love to see the movie delve into James Brown leadership in the Black community, especially during the rioting of major American cities after Dr. King was killed and post "Say It Loud". James Brown was essentially black balled from the pop radio after taking a much-needed stance on racism and bigotry and my concern is that a white director will gloss over those things because they don't understand that aspect of our culture. The Ali movie starring Will Smith is a great example of how it can be done.

jackson35 said:

Timmy84 said:

No. The Famous Flames upstage the Rolling Stones at the T.A.M.I. Show. The Stones allegedly were scared of following them.

dude the tami show was 1966,i said 1973 at the apollo.

The T.A.M.I. show was 1964. And where's your proof about this 1973 incident. I'm gonna look it up.

bashraka said:

rdhull said:

Jagger is proably more qualified to produce it than any black producer for a myriad of reasons. Siddown and b

As long as Jagger isn't directing the movie that's cool with me. If the movie does go through, I would love to see the movie delve into James Brown leadership in the Black community, especially during the rioting of major American cities after Dr. King was killed and post "Say It Loud". James Brown was essentially black balled from the pop radio after taking a much-needed stance on racism and bigotry and my concern is that a white director will gloss over those things because they don't understand that aspect of our culture. The Ali movie starring Will Smith is a great example of how it can be done.

Sure the film should touch on it but really there's already a perfect documentary available on that. 'The night James Brown saved..'

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Timmy84 said:

jackson35 said:

dude the tami show was 1966,i said 1973 at the apollo.

The T.A.M.I. show was 1964. And where's your proof about this 1973 incident. I'm gonna look it up.

yeah, never heard about that one

Jay-Z producing a film about Elvis

Michael Stipe producing a film about Grace Jones

Chuck D producing a film about Ted Nugent

^

Why not?

Timmy84 said:

jackson35 said:

dude the tami show was 1966,i said 1973 at the apollo.

The T.A.M.I. show was 1964. And where's your proof about this 1973 incident. I'm gonna look it up.

Proof? It happened............there is a documentary on it.

jackson35 said:

MickyDolenz said:

So by your logic, any black person is more qualified. Well let's get Soulja Boy to produce the movie then.

why is it that that when Hollywood decides that we need to do a biopic on a black icon, they automatically go to a white male director and producer? mick jagger is a petty bourgeoisie singer who doesn't known shit about James brown and his struggle. mick was out screwing super models and spending money on gaudy clothes while james brown was fighting for respect and dignity in a racist music industry. he is a English man who knows nothing about the black male experience in a hostile world.

Graycap23 said:

Timmy84 said:

The T.A.M.I. show was 1964. And where's your proof about this 1973 incident. I'm gonna look it up.

Proof? It happened............there is a documentary on it.

Name? I need more than that folks. I tried finding the source. I googled "James Brown Mick Jagger 1973 Apollo" and NOTHING. It all went to Mick and the Stones seeing Brown and 'em at the Apollo in the 1960s! C'mon orgers, your "proof" is not working. Is it on YouTube? I mean, where? Until then I'm calling on it to be bullshit.

Marrk said:

bashraka said:

As long as Jagger isn't directing the movie that's cool with me. If the movie does go through, I would love to see the movie delve into James Brown leadership in the Black community, especially during the rioting of major American cities after Dr. King was killed and post "Say It Loud". James Brown was essentially black balled from the pop radio after taking a much-needed stance on racism and bigotry and my concern is that a white director will gloss over those things because they don't understand that aspect of our culture. The Ali movie starring Will Smith is a great example of how it can be done.

Sure the film should touch on it but really there's already a perfect documentary available on that. 'The night James Brown saved..'

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Technically you have to thank then-Boston mayor Kevin White for what happened in Boston. Initially James only took a minor role in the civil rights movement. If you read "The One", the movement wasn't really "his thing". It was only after Lyndon B. Johnson noticed the power James had on black audiences following the King assassination and the situation in Boston that James started to take a more active role. "Say It Loud" was done due to pressure from blacks who wanted him to present a message. According to the documentary, black-on-black crime on TV inspired the song. James probably got more criticized by blacks than whites during that time because of his support for Vietnam and Nixon. He even made the song "America is My Home" which probably didn't go well with the militants, who once attacked James as being a "dangerous man to black society" or some bullshit like that...

Timmy84 said:

Graycap23 said:

Proof? It happened............there is a documentary on it.

Name? I need more than that folks. I tried finding the source. I googled "James Brown Mick Jagger 1973 Apollo" and NOTHING. It all went to Mick and the Stones seeing Brown and 'em at the Apollo in the 1960s! C'mon orgers, your "proof" is not working. Is it on YouTube? I mean, where? Until then I'm calling on it to be bullshit.

Timmy84 said:

Graycap23 said:

Proof? It happened............there is a documentary on it.

Name? I need more than that folks. I tried finding the source. I googled "James Brown Mick Jagger 1973 Apollo" and NOTHING. It all went to Mick and the Stones seeing Brown and 'em at the Apollo in the 1960s! C'mon orgers, your "proof" is not working. Is it on YouTube? I mean, where? Until then I'm calling on it to be bullshit.

Opps.......my bad. I was talking about the Boston incident with James.

Graycap23 said:

Timmy84 said:

Name? I need more than that folks. I tried finding the source. I googled "James Brown Mick Jagger 1973 Apollo" and NOTHING. It all went to Mick and the Stones seeing Brown and 'em at the Apollo in the 1960s! C'mon orgers, your "proof" is not working. Is it on YouTube? I mean, where? Until then I'm calling on it to be bullshit.

Opps.......my bad. I was talking about the Boston incident with James.

Ah I see. Nah I wasn't talking about the thing with James in '68.

JoeTyler said:

Jay-Z producing a film about Elvis

Michael Stipe producing a film about Grace Jones

Chuck D producing a film about Ted Nugent

Thing is (and I'm really not trying to get mixed up in this back and forth stuff) is that Mick was/is truly a James Brown fan unlike the examples you gave. I know you were joking and it DID make me chuckle.

You have to understand, even going back to the 50's with Chuck Berry and Little Richard, that White English musicians were literally in AWE of Black American Rock n' Soul musicians. I can only imagine a front man for a band (in the 60's) seeing James Brown in the flesh for the first time and just being blown away and becoming a total fan.

For all we know, Mick probably has every record, single, video... and beyond that, he HAD first hand experiences WITH the guy himself.

Before it was mentioned, I wasn't thinking about anyone's "color" at all. I just saw it as a very wealthy, famous FAN taking part in a project that's dear to him.