I personally don't consider them legends, they have some nice tunes though.

Does anybody know if they are working on new material? Would love some new music from them.

^ Not that I know of...

Oh ok..

Are they even still together?

Terrib3Towel said:

Oh ok..

Are they even still together?

Yeah they haven't broken up. They're in hiatus apparently. But they're still friends as far as I know.

honer said:

LittleBLUECorvette said:

honer said: The thing most people don't even consider any hip hop artist as legends. I think that right there is unfair. Would you even put Run DMC in that group of artist you just mentioned?

Im actually a massive hip hop fan I just stuck down what came into my head first as legend examples.

I wouldnt say Run DMC were legends, but KRS One, Public Enemy, Wu Tang, 2Live Crew for example could be considered legends, they contributed a lot to music and hiphop and brought a lot of changes. I dont think Outcast brought anything new to the table and fucked about with too many other genres that help shit on there roots IMO

If you wanna talk about somebody that is a real hip hop legend... Krs One for sure he is probably the most underrated ever in the game no question and quite frankly, I dont think he will ever get his respect. The credit Jay Z gets.... Krs One should be getting make no mistake about that.

I think that Outkast are legends in that they changed hiphop in the south, I mean before them - the south was really not taken seriously in hiphop (the hiphop scene in the south was mostly a mixture of bounce, pop-hiphop) , it was always about the east coast and west coast. I've always had a love and hate relationship with Outkast, there are periods when I love them and when I dont like them as much lol, but they have def inspired many rappers and artists (espcially in the south), so yes I guess you could say they're "legends".

LittleBLUECorvette said:

Here is something I wanna know, if Outkast are not legends, than who is?

Who...and WHY??

Adisa said:

LittleBLUECorvette said:

Adisa said:

Who...and WHY??

I'm talking about just the Hip Hop world. If they are not, than who?

Need you ask? Start with Run DMC. Nobody can question them being

hip hop legends. If people wanna say Outkast in the hip hop world i would

not have a problem with that.

The Sugar Hill Gang

Grandmasterflash&Furious Five

Afrika Bambaataa

Big Daddy Kane

Slick Rick

Doug E Fresh

Kool Moe Dee

Gang Starr/Guru

Run Dmc

NWA

Krs One

Public Enemy

Mobb Deep----my bad

Eric B&Rakim

De La Soul

Wu Tang

2pac

Biggie--- 2pac is superior but Ill include him...

Thats pretty much it

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mjscarousal said:

The Sugar Hill Gang

Grandmasterflash&Furious Five

Afrika Bambaataa

Big Daddy Kane

Slick Rick

Doug E Fresh

Kool Moe Dee

Gang Starr/Guru

Run Dmc

NWA

Krs One

Public Enemy

Mobb Deep----my bad

Eric B&Rakim

De La Soul

Wu Tang

2pac

Biggie--- I prefer 2pac but Ill include him...

Thats pretty much it.....

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I love you babe but stop it. All those rappers (and no females, where is Salt N Pepa and MC Lyte ...) debuted in the late 80s or earlier except for Wu, Pac and Biggie. You tellin me the last Hip Hop Legend made his debut in 1993?

That's like saying the only R&B Legends are James Brown, Jackie Wilson and Sam Cooke. Prince and Luther are 80s talents, are the legends?

Doug Fresh, lol, if he isa legends, so is Biz Markie.

AND I HAVE SPOKEN

edit

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LittleBLUECorvette said:

mjscarousal said:

The Sugar Hill Gang

Grandmasterflash&Furious Five

Afrika Bambaataa

Big Daddy Kane

Slick Rick

Doug E Fresh

Kool Moe Dee

Gang Starr/Guru

Run Dmc

NWA

Krs One

Public Enemy

Mobb Deep----my bad

Eric B&Rakim

De La Soul

Wu Tang

2pac

Biggie--- I prefer 2pac but Ill include him...

Thats pretty much it.....

[Edited 10/23/12 20:20pm]

I love you babe but stop it. All those rappers (and no females, where is Salt N Pepa and MC Lyte ...) debuted in the late 80s or earlier except for Wu, Pac and Biggie. You tellin me the last Hip Hop Legend made his debut in 1993?

That's like saying the only R&B Legends are James Brown, Jackie Wilson and Sam Cooke. Prince and Luther are 80s talents, are the legends?

Doug Fresh, lol, if he isa legends, so is Biz Markie.

AND I HAVE SPOKEN

I dont understand your point about the 80s thing? and I love you to

Hip Hop started later than all those genres.. It just had became commercial in the 80s....So comparing it to a genre like R&B that has been around longer isnt fair in my opinion.

Oh and by the way their exactly was new groundbreaking things that occured in the 80s for R&B just saying

The era the artist came out doesnt necessarily mean they are superior per se... Just because so and so came out before such and such doesnt mean there better HOWEVER for this particular genre... the artists that came out mostly in the 80s early 90s made most of the groundbreaking impact on the genre.... thats why they are legends.

They are not legends because they came out in the 80s, they are legends because of their

contribution and impact was vital to the progression of Hip Hop/ Rap.

I guess I was mostly focusing on the males, silly me to do the unforgivable Mc Lyte is legendary... you saw I made some edits to put some inclusions to be fair

mjscarousal said:

LittleBLUECorvette said:

I love you babe but stop it. All those rappers (and no females, where is Salt N Pepa and MC Lyte ...) debuted in the late 80s or earlier except for Wu, Pac and Biggie. You tellin me the last Hip Hop Legend made his debut in 1993?

That's like saying the only R&B Legends are James Brown, Jackie Wilson and Sam Cooke. Prince and Luther are 80s talents, are the legends?

Doug Fresh, lol, if he isa legends, so is Biz Markie.

AND I HAVE SPOKEN

I dont understand your point about the 80s thing? and I love you to

Hip Hop started later than all those genres.. It just had became commercial in the 80s....So comparing it to a genre like R&B that has been around longer isnt fair in my opinion.

Oh and by the way their exactly was new groundbreaking things that occured in the 80s for R&B just saying

The era the artist came out doesnt necessarily mean they are superior per se... Just because so and so came out before such and such doesnt mean there better HOWEVER for this particular genre... the artists that came out mostly in the 80s early 90s made most of the groundbreaking impact on the genre.... thats why they are legends.

They are not legends because they came out in the 80s, they are legends because of their

contribution and impact was vital to the progression of Hip Hop/ Rap.

I guess I was mostly focusing on the males, silly me to do the unforgivable Mc Lyte is legendary... you saw I made some edits to put some inclusions to be fair

But them coming out in the 80s when Hip-Hop was fairly new, they're gonna seem like they are making big contributions. You basically listed all the 80s icons, a lot of those artist were the first of their kind. And they should be first, because Hip-Hop made it's debut to the world in 1979 with Sugar Hill Gang. Not including the 90s artist (I see you added Mobb Deep, Mobb freaking Deep over Outkast!! and I like early Mobb) all those artist debut when Hip-Hop was less then ten years old to mainstream America, and it didn't even hit it's stride until the late 80's. So it should seem like they made a huge impact (and they did) because Hip-Hop was new at that time.

And just critiquing your list using the 80s method, where is:

whodini

A Tribe Called Quest

Geto Boys (no one from the south is represented)

2 Live Crew

LL Cool J

EPMD

Kurtis Blow

Heavy D & The Boyz

Jungle Brothers

Beastie Boys

Queen Latiffah

Pete Rock & CL Smooth

Ice T

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edit. Im doing something else at the same time I want to be 100 percent focus when I write this so if anyone commented on my post before edit, just disregard it

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honer said:

Are they fuck legends!

They've done a few good tunes and some proper dogshit ones Hey Ya and Roses gargle balls!

You saying they're in the same leagues as Prince, James Brown, BB King, Stevie Wonder, Hendrix, etc etc

Bollocks.

They may not be legends yet. Time will only tell. But this thread clearly isn't for you.

LittleBLUECorvette said:

But them coming out in the 80s when Hip-Hop was fairly new, they're gonna seem like they are making big contributions.

[Edited 10/23/12 21:24pm]

So are you implying that their contributions really werent that important but since they were the first to do those things thats why it seems that way?

I disagree with that.

Because if thats the case, Being a model for future generations doesnt really mean anything to you and to be honest that is one aspect in what makes someone an Icon and legend not to mention some of those MC's experimented with other genres kinda like what you are implying Outkast was the first to do

Thats why its kinda silly to imply Outkast innovated anything when their were acts before them that did the very thing you are implying they were the first to do.

You basically listed all the 80s icons, a lot of those artist were the first of their kind.

So you would call Krs One an Icon but call Outkast a legend :/

I respectfully disagree with that logic and the fact that they were the FIRST in those areas is one of the reason why they are legends.

And they should be first, because Hip-Hop made it's debut to the world in 1979 with Sugar Hill Gang. Not including the 90s artist (I see you added Mobb Deep, Mobb freaking Deep over Outkast!! and I like early Mobb) all those artist debut when Hip-Hop was less then ten years old to mainstream America, and it didn't even hit it's stride until the late 80's. So it should seem like they made a huge impact (and they did) because Hip-Hop was new at that time.

Now here is where you are wrong in your logic.

A MC that is a legend from the 80s has nothing to do with why they are legends because that was not the only era I listed in my list.

There were some 90s acts that I listed but it is important to note not necessarily them being 80s or 90s act but what they did for hip hop. What you should do or maybe we can go down the list together and write out the significance of that act to hip hop and why they are important to it.

I kinda get alot of minimizing undertones from your posts toward those 80s act. They might not necessarily be your favorite but they made a profound impact on Hip Hop and how it became recognized as a genre. I think minimizing and excusing them being a legend simply because they came out of the 80s is rather a generic reason.

And just critiquing your list using the 80s method, where is:

Thats where your hang up is.... I didnt use any method. It was based on their contributions and innovations. I dont listen to every single 80s rapper/MC infact my favorite era as far as hip hop goes is from the 90s but I just wanted to give you an example of what legend means.

whodini

A Tribe Called Quest

Geto Boys (no one from the south is represented)

2 Live Crew

LL Cool J

EPMD

Kurtis Blow

Heavy D & The Boyz

Jungle Brothers

Beastie Boys

Queen Latiffah

Pete Rock & CL Smooth

Ice T

Where somebody is from has nothing to do with why they are legends and those acts listed made significant contributions which is why I didnt name every 80s rapper so that shows there was no biased method in how I made the list my list.

Those bolded I can see as legends the rest are not legends in my opinion. There more so veterans/icons.

mjscarousal said:

So are you implying that their contributions really werent that important but since they were the first to do those things thats why it seems that way?

I disagree with that.

I think with some of the names on your list, they are more icons than Legends. Too me, a legend has a body of work that is the top of the top. A lot of those artist you named don't. Sugar Hill Gang, Bambaataa, Doug Fresh. The don't have a huge discogrophy of hits after hist like Outkast. They are known for one song, all three of them and that's it. Hell, Tone Loc is knon for more, lol.

Because if thats the case, Being a model for future generations doesnt really mean anything to you and to be honest that is one aspect in what makes someone an Icon and legend not to mention some of those MC's experimented with other genres kinda like what you are implying Outkast was the first to do

I think future generations are important, that's why I'd have more legends on my Hip-Hop list their post-1993.

Thats why its kinda silly to imply Outkast innovated anything when their were acts before them that did the very thing you are implying they were the first to do.

They might have experimented with it, (very little) but Kast took it to the next level with their

Thats where your hang up is.... I didnt use any method. It was based on their contributions and innovations. I dont listen to every single 80s rapper/MC infact my favorite era as far as hip hop goes is from the 90s but I just wanted to give you an example of what legend means.

whodini

A Tribe Called Quest

Geto Boys (no one from the south is represented)

2 Live Crew

LL Cool J

EPMD

Kurtis Blow

Heavy D & The Boyz

Jungle Brothers

Beastie Boys

Queen Latiffah

Pete Rock & CL Smooth

Ice T

Where somebody is from has nothing to do with why they are legends and those acts listed made significant contributions which is why I didnt name every 80s rapper so that shows there was no biased method in how I made the list my list.

Those bolded I can see as legends the rest are not legends in my opinion. There more so veterans/icons.

With Hip-Hop, more than any other major genre in music, it is more regional than anything. Where you come from sometimes makes you a legend.

More Hip-Hop Legends goin into the 90s and beyond:

Digital Unerground

Too $hort

E-40

Snoop Dogg

UGK

Redman

Bone-Thugs-N-Harmony

Nas

Busta Rhymes

Fugees

Jay-Z

Master P

DMX

Missy Elliot

Eminem

Three-6-Mafia

LittleBLUECorvette said:

Adisa said:

Who...and WHY??

I'm talking about just the Hip Hop world. If they are not, than who?

Outkast simultaneously had the Number 1 and Number 2 song on the Billboard 100.

I say all this in l.o.v.e cause I know my posts can sound aggressive sometimes, nothing personal

I think with some of the names on your list, they are more icons than Legends. Too me, a legend has a body of work that is the top of the top.

From the rappers that you mentioned most of them do not have a strong body of work So if that is an aspect of what makes somebody legendary to you why did name a bunch of rappers that have weak catalogues and that are gimmicks?

Also that isnt the ONLY thing that makes someone legendary.... You think just having good music is what makes you legendary and that isnt true because if that is all it took then I could name alot of artists that are legendary.

A lot of those artist you named don't. Sugar Hill Gang, Bambaataa, Doug Fresh.

I dont think their music is political or music conscious but they definitly have alot of timeless classics under their belt that constantly gets played, not to mention that isnt the only reason why they are legends.

It is laughable that you are saying they are not legends but wack ass artists like Jay Z and Busta Rhymes are.

The don't have a huge discogrophy of hits after hist like Outkast. They are known for one song, all three of them and that's it. Hell, Tone Loc is knon for more, lol.

That isnt true and like I said they were the first to exactly popularize Hip Hop and instrumental in it and Bambaataa incorporated Electro Funk, Break Dejaying, and Doug E Fresh was one of the early pioneers of beat boxing in hip hop, Sugar Hill Gang was the first hip hop group to top Billboard and Jump On it, Rappers Delight, 8th Wonder is more than just one song. Afrikaa is known for Looking for the Perfect Beat and Planet Rock. Doug E Fresh more than one song as well

and going by THAT logic we can say the same for E-40, UGK, To Short, Master P, Redman (solo).... you honestly think the average person can list MORE than one song?

Nooooo

I cant believe you would straight diss these legends but put all those mediocre rappers on your list and call them legends and then make a weak arguement that having one well known song means your not a legend

Most of the REAL legends are not even mainstream, you honestly think the average person can list more than one Krs One song? Thats not what makes you a legend sweetie.

LittleBLUECorvette said:

More Hip-Hop Legends goin into the 90s and beyond:

Digital Unerground

Too $hort

E-40

Snoop Dogg

UGK

Redman

Bone-Thugs-N-Harmony

Nas

Busta Rhymes

Fugees

Jay-Z

Master P

DMX

Missy Elliot

Eminem

Three-6-Mafia

For the record, Nas is my favorite rapper of all time and I was going to add him to the legend list but was trying to be objective. DMX and Bone Thugs are my all time favorites as well. A few of the other rappers on you list I listen to as well.

I want you to explain why EACH of these rappers are legends because their are only two MCees that I find legendary on this list which is Nas, Bone Thugs. and slightly DMX by a little bit

Everyone else on your list besides the Fugees, who I like but dont really consider legendary, are gimmick rappers or have alot of trash music that isnt even hip hop.

You said that you think the material and body of work of a rapper is important, but you listed a bunch wack rappers that clearly make mainstream rap and not hip hop.

PLEASE care explain why you think EACH of these rappers are legends besides Nas and Bone Thugs/ DMX.... I notice you didnt add Mos Def to this list who ironically has a catalogue 100000x better than everything else you mentioned on the list

With Hip-Hop, more than any other major genre in music, it is more regional than anything. Where you come from sometimes makes you a legend.

How so?

I think its really irrelevant because it has nothing to do with an artists body of work or innovations. They could be from Jupitar... Why does that matter if we are critiquing their music? That does not validate the quality of their music.

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mjscarousal said:

I say all this in l.o.v.e cause I know my posts can sound aggressive sometimes, nothing personal

I think with some of the names on your list, they are more icons than Legends. Too me, a legend has a body of work that is the top of the top.

From the rappers that you mentioned most of them do not have a strong body of work So if that is an aspect of what makes somebody legendary to you why did name a bunch of rappers that have weak catalogues and that are gimmicks?

Also that isnt the ONLY thing that makes someone legendary.... You think just having good music is what makes you legendary and that isnt true because if that is all it took then I could name alot of artists that are legendary.

For the record, Nas is my favorite rapper of all time and I was going to add him to the legend list but was trying to be objective. DMX and Bone Thugs are my all time favorites as well. A few of the other rappers on you list I listen to as well.

I want you to explain why EACH of these rappers are legends because their are only two MCees that I find legendary on this list which is Nas, Bone Thugs. and slightly DMX by a little bit

Everyone else on your list besides the Fugees, who I like but dont really consider legendary, are gimmick rappers or have alot of trash music that isnt even hip hop.

You said that you think the material and body of work of a rapper is important, but you listed a bunch wack rappers that clearly make mainstream rap and not hip hop.

PLEASE care explain why you think EACH of these rappers are legends besides Nas and Bone Thugs/ DMX.... I notice you didnt add Mos Def to this list who ironically has a catalogue 100000x better than everything else you mentioned on the list

With Hip-Hop, more than any other major genre in music, it is more regional than anything. Where you come from sometimes makes you a legend.

How so?

I think its really irrelevant because it has nothing to do with an artists body of work or innovations. They could be from Jupitar... Why does that matter if we are critiquing their music? That does not validate the quality of their music.

[Edited 10/24/12 19:55pm]

Jay Z and Eminem are not my favorite of anything but you can't deny their legendary status in Hip-Hop.

And what's with the gimmick hate? We're on a forum for one of the biggest gimmicks in music.

I can tell you why all of those rappers are legendary/Icon status.

Digital Underground: They didn't do anything special, bt were a real good group out of Oakland who wasn't doin gangsta rap.

Too $hort The first rapper to spit about sex and pimp lifestyle among other things.

E-40: Ambassador of the bay

Snoop Dogg No explanation needed

UGK Southern rap pioneers

Redman Great lyricist

Bone-Thugs-N-Harmony First mid-west artist to make it big. Added harmony to raps.

Nas All time great

Busta Rhymes great lyricist

Fugees One album but was great and just huge

Jay-Z hate him or love him you can't deny him a spot.

Master P changed the game forever.

DMX great lyricist

Missy Elliot Unique in rappin/singing/production end

Eminem same as Jay-Z

Three-6-Mafia bought a menacing style, or an early form of what is known as Trap Rap.

And Mos Def, I love dude. He is legendary, I just didn't complete my list. There are about 10 more artist I could add.

I see what you're saying perfectly. I guess I believe their is more room then 10 artist in Hip-Hop's goin on 35 year history to be considered legends.

And come on honey, you know the only songs brothas know from Fresh, Bam and Sugar Gang is Rappers Delight, The Show and Planet Rock.

Wait, did he really say Afrika Bambattaa wasn't a legend!?!

MAN HOLD UP!

Sometimes it's not always having a lot of hits that make you a legend. Like it's stated, Afrika was the first to bring electro music to hip-hop, had a lot of brothers doing carbon copies lol dude's a legend. Dude almost got in the Rock & Roll Hall of Fame lol Sugar Hill definitely had more hits than Rapper's Delight (I think it's Apache, not Jump on It, but they did record a song called "Jump on It" one time). There were a lot of "legends" that "represented" their turfs but they never broke out. Geto Boys held the South down better than Outkast (same with Goodie Mob). Outkast was too P-Funk influenced to do that.

Bambaataa, I was tryint to seprate legends, icons, ect. Bambaataa is one of the most important figues in the game. As are Sugar Hill and Doug Fresh. I was trying to seperate a legend from an icon.

LittleBLUECorvette said:

Bambaataa, I was tryint to seprate legends, icons, ect. Bambaataa is one of the most important figues in the game. As are Sugar Hill and Doug Fresh. I was trying to seperate a legend from an icon.

lol I don't know about Sugar Hill being "icons". I list them as pioneers. Doug E. Fresh is a mixture of icon and pioneer but he was one of the original beat boxers so I'd consider him a legend. Same with Bambattaa. Someone like Jay-Z for instance isn't a legend but maybe an icon. And that's a strong maybe too. Because I'm not convinced he even earned icon status, maybe veteran status. Same with Bussa Bus. He had a chance to become a legend but he never quite hit the mark to me.

Timmy84 said:

LittleBLUECorvette said:

Bambaataa, I was tryint to seprate legends, icons, ect. Bambaataa is one of the most important figues in the game. As are Sugar Hill and Doug Fresh. I was trying to seperate a legend from an icon.

lol I don't know about Sugar Hill being "icons". I list them as pioneers. Doug E. Fresh is a mixture of icon and pioneer but he was one of the original beat boxers so I'd consider him a legend. Same with Bambattaa. Someone like Jay-Z for instance isn't a legend but maybe an icon. And that's a strong maybe too. Because I'm not convinced he even earned icon status, maybe veteran status. Same with Bussa Bus. He had a chance to become a legend but he never quite hit the mark to me.

Veteran seem to vague. I mean, Kurupt is a veteran, lol.

LittleBLUECorvette said:

Timmy84 said:

lol I don't know about Sugar Hill being "icons". I list them as pioneers. Doug E. Fresh is a mixture of icon and pioneer but he was one of the original beat boxers so I'd consider him a legend. Same with Bambattaa. Someone like Jay-Z for instance isn't a legend but maybe an icon. And that's a strong maybe too. Because I'm not convinced he even earned icon status, maybe veteran status. Same with Bussa Bus. He had a chance to become a legend but he never quite hit the mark to me.

Veteran seem to vague. I mean, Kurupt is a veteran, lol.

Good point.

LittleBLUECorvette said:

Jay Z and Eminem are not my favorite of anything but you can't deny their legendary status in Hip-Hop.

Elaborate?

You keep saying Jay Z is a legend and really havent made any points to support this.

And what's with the gimmick hate? We're on a forum for one of the biggest gimmicks in music.

I know you did not just call Prince a gimmick

I am not hating on a gimmick but being a gimmick does not require alot of talent and is heavily based on image, marketing more so than talent so with that being said gimmicks do not last long and usually dont have the catalogue to have any staying power.

I can tell you why all of those rappers are legendary/Icon status.

Digital Underground: They didn't do anything special, bt were a real good group out of p.

Once again, it does not matter where they came from and if they did not do anything special ..... how can they be called legendary They were a descent alternative hip hop group and while they were creative they didnt do anything innovative by that time there had already been groups similiar to them before them but I think groups like Sugar Hill, Afrika had a more bigger impact...... If anything they are icons but I wouldnt call them legends.

Too $hort The first rapper to spit about sex and pimp lifestyle among other things.

You sure about that

Wasnt NWA doing that in the 80's Pimp Life style, sex etc thats all gangsta rap. NWA and 2 Live Crew territory... 2 Short was not the first to do this. 2 Short is irrelevant to hip hop among other things and its b.s. that you would insist they are legends PERIOD.

E-40: Ambassador of the bay

Seriously? Of what Bay? Because that has nothing to do with the quality of their music which is ZERO.

Snoop Dogg No explanation needed

His a veteran of the game, I will give him that but Snoop Dog never really stood out as a rapper and kinda was always a gimmick rapper. He has maybe one or two classics with Dr. Dre but as an overall artist he really isnt a crucial figure. The only artist off of Death Row that with any significant impact is 2pac.... no question. Snoop Dogg, Kurupt, Daz etc were all the same really. Not to mention he didnt even write/produce any of those songs. His manage to still have a music career after all these years, I am not knocking his hustle but his music is garbage outside a few songs he did in the early 90s but he does not have a big impact to name him a legend of anything.

UGK Southern rap pioneers

To whom? They didnt pioneer anything

Bone-Thugs-N-Harmony First mid-west artist to make it big. Added harmony to raps.

They are legends and if you read my last response I said they were one of my favorites.

I agree with this.

Nas All time great

He is my favorite rapper.... so yes I am going to agree with this. His a legend because he was a talented great lyrist...ahead of his tim and that was a period when rap started to get alot more political.

Yes he is a legend... I was just trying to not be biased in my list because he does have some filler but he is a legend.

Busta Rhymes great lyricist

You cant be serious with this? His okay for a mainstream rapper but there is nothing legendary about his body of work or his impact on hip hop. I would take Mos Def any day of the week over him.

Fugees One album but was great and just huge

They were good but they didnt make a profound impact to call them legends. Thats like me calling Lauryn Hill a legend but I do think she is a Icon even with one album but that is because it was and is highly influential.

Jay-Z hate him or love him you can't deny him a spot.

Once again you name drop this man like 5 times and still havent given any arguements as to why you think he is a legend. Here is why I think he isnt..... his overrated which is pretty much obvious but he kinda always was. Even when he came out in the 90s hyping for Big Daddy Kane and released Reasonable Doubt (which is the best out of his catalogue but it still is overrated) Dude does not excelerate in any area related to music, lyrics, songwriter, flow, etc.. just average and mediocre and because he is popular and is successful in other areas non related to music people hype him up which automatically allows him to get away with making really bad music but still gets praised for it....

So you tell me how he is a legend again? I dont even like Eminem and think his better.

Master P changed the game forever.

Master P Boo I cant even recall any songs that had a big major impact....or that were even popular

DMX great lyricist

He is one of my favorites as well as I mentioned in my last response. I said that I think I would call him a legend because his rapping and delivering style was unique and his music was pretty good. I respect DMX more than someone like Jay Z because although he was commerical and at one time more successful than Jay (hits, charts wise) he still made pretty good albums and stayed true to his music, he didnt completely change.

Missy Elliot Unique in rappin/singing/production end

I think Missy is dope at what she does which is pretty much being a gimmick rapper but I wouldnt call her a legend although she is light years better than Nikki.

Eminem same as Jay-Z

I like him more than Jay but he is very overrated. He has one really good album and thats his first and the rest of his albums are either bad or have alot of filler on them. I wouldnt call him a legend because he didnt bring anything new to the table and he was not consistent with his music.

Three-6-Mafia bought a menacing style, or an early form of what is known as Trap Ra

Three 6 Mafia and Hip Hop and legends should not be in any sentence together what so ever!!!

And come on honey, you know the only songs brothas know from Fresh, Bam and Sugar Gang is Rappers Delight, The Show and Planet Rock.

Ive heard other songs besides those songs although they are trademark classics and I think your arguement is silly with insisting that since someone may just know one song by them that means the person isnt a legend. It isnt about how popular they are... it is about quality and what they contributed to HIP HOP... not to fashion, not to movies, not to NBA sports teams, PERIOD.

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Snoop... he's one of those rappers that disappoints me no matter what he does. One hot album and featuring on "Chronic" and then... that was all she wrote. He ain't had nothing to write home about since 1994. He ain't a legend.