Since when has Rolling Stones been a credible music critic source? From what I have seen they rank acts like Jay Z, Kanye and so forth higher than Outkast, Krs One, Nas etc (So on that note I really dont hold them credible or take them seriously at all) and to be honest their ratings doesnt reflect how legendary or unlegendary an artist is.

[Edited 10/21/12 18:18pm]

Cinny said:

These orgers said Beastie Boys was a comedy act. Their first album was packed with irony, but that was only Licensed To Ill.

You'd be hard pressed to get any orger to admit hip hop has legends outside of the 1970s pioneers.

That's a fair criticism...

I still contend that word has been thrown around so much so that it's really lost a lot of creditability. Joe Tyler's definition and his example of some being a legend (Robert Johnson) is a perfect example. I'm a ol' broad but I sure wasn't around when Johnson came on the scene but yet I hear his music and his guitar style all over the world crossing all genres.

Don't get me wrong, I think the Outkast are a damn good group of musicians but they haven't done anything to this point that even puts them in the conversation of being "Legends". But so what.... being a master of your craft is a testament to a career as well.

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[Edited 10/21/12 18:39pm]

mjscarousal said:

Since when has Rolling Stones been a credible music critic source? From what I have seen they rank acts like Jay Z, Kanye and so forth higher than Outkast, Krs One, Nas etc (So on that note I really dont hold them credible or take them seriously at all) and to be honest their ratings doesnt reflect how legendary or unlegendary an artist is.

[Edited 10/21/12 18:18pm]

Look here toots, Outkast are Legends.

JoeTyler said:

Is Jay-Z a legend?

In his own camelistic mind.

scriptgirl said:

And do you think they have a shot at the RnR hall of fame?

My answer to both questions are...Yay!

But then again, KISS & Rush are not in the R&RHOF yet. So I wouldn't be surprise if it'll take OutKast a very long time to get in. But it may help if Public Enemy & N.W.A. get in first.

LittleBLUECorvette said:

mjscarousal said:

Since when has Rolling Stones been a credible music critic source? From what I have seen they rank acts like Jay Z, Kanye and so forth higher than Outkast, Krs One, Nas etc (So on that note I really dont hold them credible or take them seriously at all) and to be honest their ratings doesnt reflect how legendary or unlegendary an artist is.

[Edited 10/21/12 18:18pm]

Look here toots, Outkast are Legends.

muah sorry sweetie but........

I guess we gotta agree to disagree on this one.

mjscarousal said:

LittleBLUECorvette said:

Look here toots, Outkast are Legends.

muah sorry sweetie but........

I guess we gotta agree to disagree on this one.

Batting them eyes won't work.

Now woman, I have spoken and it's final. Big Boi & Andre 3000 are legends.

HonestMan13 said:

JoeTyler said:

Is Jay-Z a legend?

In his own camelistic mind.

Dude only had two good albums. And that's just being modest.

TonyVanDam said:

scriptgirl said:

And do you think they have a shot at the RnR hall of fame?

My answer to both questions are...Yay!

But then again, KISS & Rush are not in the R&RHOF yet. So I wouldn't be surprise if it'll take OutKast a very long time to get in. But it may help if Public Enemy & N.W.A. get in first.

Rush may have a chance this year. Public Enemy are already shoo-ins.

LittleBLUECorvette said:

mjscarousal said:

muah sorry sweetie but........

I guess we gotta agree to disagree on this one.

Batting them eyes won't work.

Now woman, I have spoken and it's final. Big Boi & Andre 3000 are legends.

Wait not so fast

You might want to sit your pimp hat back down because Im not through just yet

Its final when the last person is standing sugar

Outkast are dope, there legit... however.... what generations have they impacted and influence? Outside of consistency and being a good hip hop group it takes alot more to being a legend because if that was the case there would be alot of legends out of there generation.... If having Rolling Stones high ratings, being in the game for 20 years, winning album of the year and saling alot of records was all it took to being a legend than dayum that would mean Drake, Lil Wayne, are legends... shoot they would mean ALOT of rappers are legends ..... I'll be taking that hat back

TD3 said:

Cinny said:

These orgers said Beastie Boys was a comedy act. Their first album was packed with irony, but that was only Licensed To Ill.

You'd be hard pressed to get any orger to admit hip hop has legends outside of the 1970s pioneers.

That's a fair criticism...

I still contend that word has been thrown around so much so that it's really lost a lot of creditability. Joe Tyler's definition and his example of some being a legend (Robert Johnson) is a perfect example. I'm a ol' broad but I sure wasn't around when Johnson came on the scene but yet I hear his music and his guitar style all over the world crossing all genres.

Don't get me wrong, I think the Outkast are a damn good group of musicians but they haven't done anything to this point that even puts them in the conversation of being "Legends". But so what.... being a master of your craft is a testament to a career as well.

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[Edited 10/21/12 18:39pm]

I understand where the criticism is coming from. And y'all have a point. But for some reason I do think Outkast may have got there but maybe if they had kept up with material that was as good as Stankonia maybe they would've been even more greater than they already were. Good point about Robert Johnson too.

mjscarousal said:

LittleBLUECorvette said:

Batting them eyes won't work.

Now woman, I have spoken and it's final. Big Boi & Andre 3000 are legends.

Wait not so fast

You might want to sit your pimp hat back down because Im not through just yet

Its final when the last person is standing sugar

Outkast are dope, there legit... however.... what generations have they impacted and influence? Outside of consistency and being a good hip hop group it takes alot more to being a legend because if that was the case there would be alot of legends out of there generation.... If having Rolling Stones high ratings, being in the game for 20 years, winning album of the year and saling alot of records was all it took to being a legend than dayum that would mean Drake, Lil Wayne, are legends... shoot they would mean ALOT of rappers are legends ..... I'll be taking that hat back

Oh no boo-boo.

Outkast is one of the most important southern Hip-Hop groups. Along with UGK, Eightball & MJG, Geto Boys and 3-6 Mafia.

They changed mainstream Hip-Hop in the mid 90s fusing Hip-Hop, with other genre's of music. And not being down for one form of hip-hop also. Where those groups above were just Gangsta rap, Outkast was gangsta rap also, but they bought in the elements of back-pack, conscious rap like another southern group, Arrested Development and also the like of De La Soul, Tribe Called Quest, Souls of Mischief, The Pharcyde, ect.

Drake and Lil Wayne don't compare.

Gimmie my hat back!!!! Matter fact, I'll take a crown.

^

LittleBLUECorvette said:

mjscarousal said:

Wait not so fast

You might want to sit your pimp hat back down because Im not through just yet

Its final when the last person is standing sugar

Outkast are dope, there legit... however.... what generations have they impacted and influence? Outside of consistency and being a good hip hop group it takes alot more to being a legend because if that was the case there would be alot of legends out of there generation.... If having Rolling Stones high ratings, being in the game for 20 years, winning album of the year and saling alot of records was all it took to being a legend than dayum that would mean Drake, Lil Wayne, are legends... shoot they would mean ALOT of rappers are legends ..... I'll be taking that hat back

Oh no boo-boo.

Outkast is one of the most important southern Hip-Hop groups. Along with UGK, Eightball & MJG, Geto Boys and 3-6 Mafia.

They changed mainstream Hip-Hop in the mid 90s fusing Hip-Hop, with other genre's of music. And not being down for one form of hip-hop also. Where those groups above were just Gangsta rap, Outkast was gangsta rap also, but they bought in the elements of back-pack, conscious rap like another southern group, Arrested Development and also the like of De La Soul, Tribe Called Quest, Souls of Mischief, The Pharcyde, ect.

Drake and Lil Wayne don't compare.

Gimmie my hat back!!!! Matter fact, I'll take a crown.

You cant take a crown when I'm already Queen

bow down

Thats a better arguement than what you were originally implying The only reason why I used Drake and Lil Wayne as examples is because you were implying that since they had high ratings from Rolling Stones, won awards and was well respected that validates them deserving to be legends.There are alot of artists that are mediore and have contributed zero to the music industry that get all of the above prime ex. Jay Z. So it was irrelevant to bring up Rolling Stones and awards especially popularity driven Rolling Stones who gives 5 stars to every Jay Z album.

If they changed hip hop in the mid 90s with the reasons that you gave, what other MC's or hip hop groups can you name that were influenced by what they created? Although they experimented with other genres, how did there music culturally affect the music industry as a whole?

In order to call someone a legend there music as well as impact has to stand the test of time, generations, eras in the industry and I dont see that today with Outkast's music which is why I said its to soon to call them legends. I dont see their influence in todays generation which I slightly consider them to be apart of just because they havent influenced anybody. Now if it was 40/50 years later and you brought this arguement up and there music was still important to hip hop I could see you making this arguement.

I am just trying to understand because you are arguing they are in the same category as Stevie Wonder or Otis Redding and that I respectfully disagree with....honey dip

[Edited 10/21/12 20:50pm]

mjscarousal said:

LittleBLUECorvette said:

Oh no boo-boo.

Outkast is one of the most important southern Hip-Hop groups. Along with UGK, Eightball & MJG, Geto Boys and 3-6 Mafia.

They changed mainstream Hip-Hop in the mid 90s fusing Hip-Hop, with other genre's of music. And not being down for one form of hip-hop also. Where those groups above were just Gangsta rap, Outkast was gangsta rap also, but they bought in the elements of back-pack, conscious rap like another southern group, Arrested Development and also the like of De La Soul, Tribe Called Quest, Souls of Mischief, The Pharcyde, ect.

Drake and Lil Wayne don't compare.

Gimmie my hat back!!!! Matter fact, I'll take a crown.

You cant take a crown when I'm already Queen

bow down

Thats a better arguement than what you were originally implying The only reason why I used Drake and Lil Wayne as examples is because you were implying that since they had high ratings from Rolling Stones, won awards and was well respected that validates them deserving to be legends.There are alot of artists that are mediore and have contributed zero to the music industry that get all of the above prime ex. Jay Z. So it was irrelevant to bring up Rolling Stones and awards especially popularity driven Rolling Stones.

If they changed hip hop in the mid 90s with the reasons that you gave, what other MC's or hip hop groups can you name that were influenced by what they created? Although they experimented with other genres, how did there music culturally affect the music industry as a whole?

In order to call someone a legend there music as well as impact has to stand the test of time, generations, eras in the industry and I dont see that today with Outkast's music which is why I said its to soon to call them legends. I dont see their influence in todays generation which I slightly consider them to be apart of just because they havent influenced anybody. Now if it was 40/50 years later and you brought this arguement up and there music was still important to hip hop I could see you making this arguement.

I am just trying to understand because you are arguing they are in the same category as Stevie Wonder or Otis Redding and that I respectfully disagree with....honey dip

Like Jay-Z or not, (me, he is alright in my books, not a huge fan) but he is a lengedary figure in Hip-Hop.

Artist influenced by Kast include Goodie Mob, Common, Janele Monae, The Roots, Big Krit, The Clipse, BoB, David Banner, Kanye West, The Gorrilaz, N*E*R*D, and countless others. ect. Most souther rap after the debuted will list Outkast as an influence. Even rappers who debuted around the same time or earlier like Wu-Tang and Nas would say they are influencial artist in the game.

Stevie was considered a legend by 1982, 20 years after Fingertips. Otis Reddiing was considered a legend after Dock of the Bay dropped and he had just been gone a few months. Redding's career lasted a little over 5 years.

And you deserve the crown boo.

Define legend.

TD3 said:

Scoot over.

I am feeling mjcarousal's replies.

Personally I think that OutKast are legends now, if you can get ONE of them to guest on your album and it is a major feature... they're like The Smiths of rap. All we want is a reunion! No one can fill either dude's shoes. 4 classic albums in a row. That is the stuff of legend.

LittleBLUECorvette said:

mjscarousal said:

You cant take a crown when I'm already Queen

bow down

Thats a better arguement than what you were originally implying The only reason why I used Drake and Lil Wayne as examples is because you were implying that since they had high ratings from Rolling Stones, won awards and was well respected that validates them deserving to be legends.There are alot of artists that are mediore and have contributed zero to the music industry that get all of the above prime ex. Jay Z. So it was irrelevant to bring up Rolling Stones and awards especially popularity driven Rolling Stones.

If they changed hip hop in the mid 90s with the reasons that you gave, what other MC's or hip hop groups can you name that were influenced by what they created? Although they experimented with other genres, how did there music culturally affect the music industry as a whole?

In order to call someone a legend there music as well as impact has to stand the test of time, generations, eras in the industry and I dont see that today with Outkast's music which is why I said its to soon to call them legends. I dont see their influence in todays generation which I slightly consider them to be apart of just because they havent influenced anybody. Now if it was 40/50 years later and you brought this arguement up and there music was still important to hip hop I could see you making this arguement.

I am just trying to understand because you are arguing they are in the same category as Stevie Wonder or Otis Redding and that I respectfully disagree with....honey dip

Like Jay-Z or not, (me, he is alright in my books, not a huge fan) but he is a lengedary figure in Hip-Hop.

Artist influenced by Kast include Goodie Mob, Common, Janele Monae, The Roots, Big Krit, The Clipse, BoB, David Banner, Kanye West, The Gorrilaz, N*E*R*D, and countless others. ect. Most souther rap after the debuted will list Outkast as an influence. Even rappers who debuted around the same time or earlier like Wu-Tang and Nas would say they are influencial artist in the game.

Stevie was considered a legend by 1982, 20 years after Fingertips. Otis Reddiing was considered a legend after Dock of the Bay dropped and he had just been gone a few months. Redding's career lasted a little over 5 years.

And you deserve the crown boo.

Speaking of calling people legends, emcees at Marvin Gaye's 1970s concerts were already calling him "a legend of his own time" and he was about 13 years deep by the time they said it lol

I just think if people don't value hip hop, then they are going to feel this term "legend" is not applicable. But actually their opinion is not applicable.

Cinny said:

I just think if people don't value hip hop, then they are going to feel this term "legend" is not applicable. But actually their opinion is not applicable.

Aaaaand scene.

LittleBLUECorvette said:

mjscarousal said:

You cant take a crown when I'm already Queen

bow down

Thats a better arguement than what you were originally implying The only reason why I used Drake and Lil Wayne as examples is because you were implying that since they had high ratings from Rolling Stones, won awards and was well respected that validates them deserving to be legends.There are alot of artists that are mediore and have contributed zero to the music industry that get all of the above prime ex. Jay Z. So it was irrelevant to bring up Rolling Stones and awards especially popularity driven Rolling Stones.

If they changed hip hop in the mid 90s with the reasons that you gave, what other MC's or hip hop groups can you name that were influenced by what they created? Although they experimented with other genres, how did there music culturally affect the music industry as a whole?

In order to call someone a legend there music as well as impact has to stand the test of time, generations, eras in the industry and I dont see that today with Outkast's music which is why I said its to soon to call them legends. I dont see their influence in todays generation which I slightly consider them to be apart of just because they havent influenced anybody. Now if it was 40/50 years later and you brought this arguement up and there music was still important to hip hop I could see you making this arguement.

I am just trying to understand because you are arguing they are in the same category as Stevie Wonder or Otis Redding and that I respectfully disagree with....honey dip

Like Jay-Z or not, (me, he is alright in my books, not a huge fan) but he is a lengedary figure in Hip-Hop.

Artist influenced by Kast include Goodie Mob, Common, Janele Monae, The Roots, Big Krit, The Clipse, BoB, David Banner, Kanye West, The Gorrilaz, N*E*R*D, and countless others. ect. Most souther rap after the debuted will list Outkast as an influence. Even rappers who debuted around the same time or earlier like Wu-Tang and Nas would say they are influencial artist in the game.

Stevie was considered a legend by 1982, 20 years after Fingertips. Otis Reddiing was considered a legend after Dock of the Bay dropped and he had just been gone a few months. Redding's career lasted a little over 5 years.

And you deserve the crown boo.

If thats your opinion on Jay thats cool I dont wanna beat a dead horse with my on opinion on him For the record, I think his alright at what he does but I wouldnt call it hip hop because it isnt nor legendary but his fun to listen to at the club ....... thats about it.

Some of those artists dont currently make music and some of those artists dont mimic the style Outkast did well at least to me. When I said influence I meant musically and creatively not who they inspired I probably was unclear with that, my bad but on some of them I guess I can hear some influences.

however

The thing about Outkast which makes their influence hard to pin point is because they fused alot of there own influences in their music which were eclectic, so what they did isnt really original although it was creative.There also were artists before them that did the same you claimed they were the first to do. So its hard to say.. thats Outkast when you hear a Monae song, when the song could have been influenced by Prince, feel me?

Also, I am speaking on the current music scene and currently in the game right now these rappers are not experimenting the way Outkast did. I dont hear their style or sound in the rap scene today to give them the title of legend or even icon.

All I am simply saying is maybe we should wait 20 more years before giving them that tile to see how there music/influence stands the test of time. I never denied there talent and credibility.

Stevie Wonder...is Stevie Wonder boo and Outkast is Outkast they dont have that SAME level of talent or impact. Stevies impact affected and changed the ENTIRE music industry not just pop/r&b etc Outkast can only be possibly argued with hip hop but not on the same scale as Stevie. I dont want to minimize what Outkast did because it was creative/authentic but it wasnt innovative compared to Stevie.I try not to compare artists to Stevie etc because there is no comparision But I just wanted to show who I thought of when I think of legend.

All artists are different also. Just because it took Stevie 20 years to be considered a legend doesnt mean its going to be the same automatically for another artist... especially when you dont have Stevie Wonder music changing impact

Although Ive put you in the hot seat tonight, your still my boo always

[Edited 10/21/12 22:05pm]

mjscarousal said:

LittleBLUECorvette said:

Like Jay-Z or not, (me, he is alright in my books, not a huge fan) but he is a lengedary figure in Hip-Hop.

Artist influenced by Kast include Goodie Mob, Common, Janele Monae, The Roots, Big Krit, The Clipse, BoB, David Banner, Kanye West, The Gorrilaz, N*E*R*D, and countless others. ect. Most souther rap after the debuted will list Outkast as an influence. Even rappers who debuted around the same time or earlier like Wu-Tang and Nas would say they are influencial artist in the game.

Stevie was considered a legend by 1982, 20 years after Fingertips. Otis Reddiing was considered a legend after Dock of the Bay dropped and he had just been gone a few months. Redding's career lasted a little over 5 years.

And you deserve the crown boo.

If thats your opinion on Jay thats cool I dont wanna beat a dead horse with my on opinion on him For the record, I think his alright at what he does but I wouldnt call it hip hop because it isnt nor legendary but his fun to listen to at the club ....... thats about it.

Some of those artists dont currently make music and some of those artists dont mimic the style Outkast did well at least to me. When I said influence I meant musically and creatively not who they influenced I probably was unclear with that, my bad but on some of them I guess I can hear some influences.

however

The thing about Outkast which makes their influence hard to pin point is because they fused alot of there own influences in their music which were eclectic, so what they did isnt really original although it was creative.There also were artists before them that did the same you claimed they were the first to do. So its hard to say.. thats Outkast when you hear a Monae song, when the song could have been inspired by Prince, feel me?

Also, I am speaking on the current music scene and currently in the game right now these rappers are not experimenting the way Outkast did. I dont hear their style or sound in the rap scene today to give them the title of legend or even icon.

All I am simply saying is maybe we should wait 20 more years before giving them that tile to see how there music/influence stands the test of time. I never denied there talent and credibility.

Stevie Wonder...is Stevie Wonder boo and Outkast is Outkast they dont have that SAME level of talent or impact. Stevies impact affected and changed the ENTIRE music industry not just pop/r&b etc Outkast can only be possibly argued with hip hop but not on the same scale as Stevie. I dont want to minimize what Outkast did because it was creative/authentic but it wasnt innovative compared to Stevie.I try not to compare artists to Stevie etc because there is no comparision But I just wanted to show who I thought of when I think of legend.

All artists are different also. Just because it took Stevie 20 years to be considered a legend doesnt mean its going to be the same automatically for another artist... especially when you dont have Stevie Wonder music changing impact

Although Ive put you in the hot seat tonight, your still my boo always

[Edited 10/21/12 22:04pm]

I got something for yo ass ... tomorrow, watch!!

Cinny said:

I just think if people don't value hip hop, then they are going to feel this term "legend" is not applicable. But actually their opinion is not applicable.

Someone who values hip hop is going to be highly critically of who is called a legend especially when its a genre where it seems everyday someone is legend just because and for generic reasons.

1. Being in the game over 10 years doesnt mean your a legend

2. Being a great artist doesnt mean your a legend

3. Being creative doesnt automatically make you a legend

An example of a hip hop legend:

The reason why NWA are hip hop legends because they did something that NEVER BEEN DONE BEFORE, influenced a generations worth musically and even created a sub genre. Thats why their legends and seperates them from everybody else.

Every good artist is not going to be a legend and guess what? THATS OKAY. People have the definition of what makes a legend twisted. It takes ALOT more than those three above things that are commonly used as definitions for legend.

[Edited 10/21/12 22:37pm]

LittleBLUECorvette said:

mjscarousal said:

If thats your opinion on Jay thats cool I dont wanna beat a dead horse with my on opinion on him For the record, I think his alright at what he does but I wouldnt call it hip hop because it isnt nor legendary but his fun to listen to at the club ....... thats about it.

Some of those artists dont currently make music and some of those artists dont mimic the style Outkast did well at least to me. When I said influence I meant musically and creatively not who they influenced I probably was unclear with that, my bad but on some of them I guess I can hear some influences.

however

The thing about Outkast which makes their influence hard to pin point is because they fused alot of there own influences in their music which were eclectic, so what they did isnt really original although it was creative.There also were artists before them that did the same you claimed they were the first to do. So its hard to say.. thats Outkast when you hear a Monae song, when the song could have been inspired by Prince, feel me?

Also, I am speaking on the current music scene and currently in the game right now these rappers are not experimenting the way Outkast did. I dont hear their style or sound in the rap scene today to give them the title of legend or even icon.

All I am simply saying is maybe we should wait 20 more years before giving them that tile to see how there music/influence stands the test of time. I never denied there talent and credibility.

Stevie Wonder...is Stevie Wonder boo and Outkast is Outkast they dont have that SAME level of talent or impact. Stevies impact affected and changed the ENTIRE music industry not just pop/r&b etc Outkast can only be possibly argued with hip hop but not on the same scale as Stevie. I dont want to minimize what Outkast did because it was creative/authentic but it wasnt innovative compared to Stevie.I try not to compare artists to Stevie etc because there is no comparision But I just wanted to show who I thought of when I think of legend.

All artists are different also. Just because it took Stevie 20 years to be considered a legend doesnt mean its going to be the same automatically for another artist... especially when you dont have Stevie Wonder music changing impact

Although Ive put you in the hot seat tonight, your still my boo always

[Edited 10/21/12 22:04pm]

I got something for yo ass ... tomorrow, watch!!

Will shall see

Cinny said:

These orgers said Beastie Boys was a comedy act. Their first album was packed with irony, but that was only Licensed To Ill.

You'd be hard pressed to get any orger to admit hip hop has legends outside of the 1970s pioneers.

It would have been more accurate if you said 80's. What rap artist from the 70's can

you call a legend when the genre didn't even explode until the 80's. Answer to the

question is a tough one for me. They are great but Goodie Mob influenced their style

too. Cee Lo stated that Andre 3000 told him privately that Cee Lo's electic style was

a big influence on him. I certainly wouldn't have a problem with them getting a

hall of fame honor as a rap artist because they are big time but you have to wonder

if they would have been in Goodie Mob's shadow if they would have sustained their

success after their first two albums.

phunkdaddy said:

Cinny said:

These orgers said Beastie Boys was a comedy act. Their first album was packed with irony, but that was only Licensed To Ill.

You'd be hard pressed to get any orger to admit hip hop has legends outside of the 1970s pioneers.

It would have been more accurate if you said 80's. What rap artist from the 70's can

you call a legend when the genre didn't even explode until the 80's. Answer to the

question is a tough one for me. They are great but Goodie Mob influenced their style

too. Cee Lo stated that Andre 3000 told him privately that Cee Lo's electic style was

a big influence on him. I certainly wouldn't have a problem with them getting a

hall of fame honor as a rap artist because they are big time but you have to wonder

if they would have been in Goodie Mob's shadow if they would have sustained their

success after their first two albums.

That's odd because Goodie Mob didn't release their album until after Outkast though they were on their first album...

[Edited 10/21/12 23:08pm]

I know both acts came out around the same time but i can't say who

came out first. I do know the Cee Lo statement is true according to

him and a hip hop magazine i read several years back.