Lets see if other artists would even have the balls to do these things....

an amazing week of Mr. Springfield in NYC

No way Prince could do this and not be mobbed by thousands of people, sometimes i wish prince was not a super star, so he could be more in "touch" with his fans, but I guess he tries with the after shows...

Fuck the fans!

neosoulheart said:

that's all good when you only have 20 fans. many artists do performances for free ect

Well first of all he has tons more than 20 fans, so thats not even in a debate. This wasnt even a publicized event till hours before when it was told on twitter where it would be, this is NYC there is a train station every 3 blocks, so saying you are going to be playing at a train station in NYC is a needle in a haystack. PLUS as someone that was there, people had to kept back because legally you cant block everyones way to work, it was rush hour on a wednesday morning, so there was at least a thousand out there. Next as someone that witnessed Prince at the Today show and GMA shows, those early morning events and also witnessed RICK this friday on GMA, and again word of being on the show went out about 12 hours before and there were about 500-750 people outside at 7 am, which is about on par for what Prince got here in NYC on his appearances. AND again this is not a head count, the point of this post is being in touch, and this is a small example of being in touch, PRINCE talks good BS about it, but he doesnt embrace social media, doesnt embrace the internet, or change, he is out of touch, sorry but thats the truth.

neosoulheart said:

that's all good when you only have 20 fans. many artists do performances for free ect

Aretha Franklin did a free concert last year..... I HIGHLY doubt she has just 20 fans

mjscarousal said:

neosoulheart said:

mjscarousal said:

Aretha Franklin did a free concert last year..... I HIGHLY doubt she has just 20 fans

you have a way of just making an argument nonsensical, what are you talking about? Aretha? who said she has 20 fans

Because you make dumb arguements... you implied that an artist has to have little fans to do small up and close venues.... thats not true at all.

mjscarousal said:

neosoulheart said:

Its called PR/promotion this is hardly anything new. so many artists have done this, they just coukdnt fit their fans into a subway

This is one example of what he does that is the point, and yes artists have done things like this but leets not make it sound like a good % of artists are that accessible. My point is that this is in a long line of opening to his fans, that is way beyond 20, i mean he plays 100 shows on average a year for the last decade, new albums, has fan cruises, meet and greets, autograph signings, countless internet things, etc...and this year allowed fans the ability to make a movie on him that has now landed into festivals and won quite a ffew, how many artists would allow footage to be used? answer NOT many, some would sue. Here he actually got into the film himself, etc....its called embracing not fighting your fans.

mjscarousal said:

neosoulheart said:

mjscarousal said:

Because you make dumb arguements... you implied that an artist has to have little fans to do small up and close venues.... thats not true at all.

your an idiot, read properly

This is what your non comprehending ass said since you cant read what you type.

neosoulheart said: that's all good when you only have 20 fans. many artists do performances for free ect

I wasnt even trying to bash you just challenging what you said.

neosoulheart said:

mjscarousal said:

Because you make dumb arguements... you implied that an artist has to have little fans to do small up and close venues.... thats not true at all.

actually make great arguments your just inept at reading and placing things in context I was pointing out 'who is Rick springfield' and that its all good to play subway if you are not popular, can you imagine if Bieber played subway or help even Patti, it would be dangerous

Bieber is a mainstream artist so he wouldnt even be in a subway station but just because an artist plays in a subway station doesnt mean they have 20 fans as you were implying. There are alot of artists that play small community type concerts and they have alot of fans. Just because they might not necessarily be mainstream doesnt mean they JUST have 20 fans or even a little.

And you make dumb childish arguements.

[Edited 10/13/12 23:13pm]

neosoulheart said:

mjscarousal said:

Because you make dumb arguements... you implied that an artist has to have little fans to do small up and close venues.... thats not true at all.

actually make great arguments your just inept at reading and placing things in context I was pointing out 'who is Rick springfield' and that its all good to play subway if you are not popular, can you imagine if Bieber played subway or help even Patti, it would be dangerous

Well wrong on every level, first of all, you cant shut down subways if your NOBODY or UNPOPULAR, NYC doesnt work like that, too shut down areas there has to be JUST CAUSE not just you walking through it , areas had to be shut down. The anlaogy of BEIBER is insane, yeah of course, and New Kids on the Block in 1988 would have shut down shit down too, or whatver time period someone was popular, BEIBER when hes 63 is not going to even be able to sell out free shows or even have people care, sorry thats the truth. If you dont know who Rick Springfield is ONE why comment and TWO look it up at a point in the 1980-84 he was bigger than most we talk about on this forum. and actually still charts albums pretty high, higher than most 63 year old rock stars do.

neosoulheart said:

mjscarousal said:

Because you make dumb arguements... you implied that an artist has to have little fans to do small up and close venues.... thats not true at all.

your an idiot, read properly

1. The correct spelling is "you're".

2. I know you're new, and I appreciate your fire, but name calling is not allowed here: it can potentially get threads reported, locked, and posters banned---then everyone misses out on what could have been a cool thread

somewhere on this board, Mach's famous saying of learning to criticize ideas and not people needs to be etched in metaphorical stone

that's fine, probably his fans are adequate and casual.
some fans crazy as hell, and even dangerous.

neosoulheart said:

mjscarousal said:

Aretha Franklin did a free concert last year..... I HIGHLY doubt she has just 20 fans

you have a way of just making an argument nonsensical, what are you talking about? Aretha? who said she has 20 fans

Taylor Swift does it right, too.

that looks dangerous

JoeTyler said:

that looks dangerous

Yeah with that mob of folks circling, you never know what's going to happen.

lastdecember said:

Lets see if other artists would even have the balls to do these things....

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Reading this thread title, I thought it was about Gary rancidpaedophile Glitter.

fans need...

THE HUMAN TOUCH!

Cinny said:

fans need...

THE HUMAN TOUCH!

I think many equate "Free Shows" with being in touch, Free Shows are great, and at least every artist from Bon Jovi to Rage Against the Machine has done them in varying degrees, Simon And Garfunkel, Elton JOhn, this i wouldnt put on that level and also my "In Touch" was more about how these things are organized and his embrace of the media (social) opening up the forum to fans, where as other artists talk a good game and even those with smaller bases of fans talk nonsense of being independant and the fans being everything to them, at least Rick walks the talk.

lastdecember said:

Lets see if other artists would even have the balls to do these things....

Yeah that's very nice of Rick Springfield to do that but why should other artists do the same? Prince does have a strange viewpoint when it comes to social media and the internet and I get your frustration on that one but I just don't understand why you used this video as an example. This is just not a practical or ideal thing for Prince to ever do. When it comes to being physically intimate with fans, Prince still does after-parties that are sometimes even better than the actual concert and I think a lot of fans take that for granted. Most current artists I know do after-parties where they appear for like 5 seconds to say "how's it going y'all" and then it's just the famous DJ playing their music for the rest of the night.

I'm pretty sure Prince has touched quite a few of his fans.

Oh, I just had to.

Emancipation89 said:

lastdecember said:

Lets see if other artists would even have the balls to do these things....

Yeah that's very nice of Rick Springfield to do that but why should other artists do the same? Prince does have a strange viewpoint when it comes to social media and the internet and I get your frustration on that one but I just don't understand why you used this video as an example. This is just not a practical or ideal thing for Prince to ever do. When it comes to being physically intimate with fans, Prince still does after-parties that are sometimes even better than the actual concert and I think a lot of fans take that for granted. Most current artists I know do after-parties where they appear for like 5 seconds to say "how's it going y'all" and then it's just the famous DJ playing their music for the rest of the night.

No its nothing like that, im saying that artists especially coming out now, though they even embrace the media they dont know how to use it, which is sad because its their generation not his, why has a 63 year old, on an indie label know more than a current artist about how to market today? that is sad, that shows where things went wrong. As for PRINCE he doesnt have to do this nor would he, i just feel he has spent a career "dangling" the carrot and not letting shit just come out. He doesnt like YouTube, ok then release a dvd with all the videos that have been bootlegged for years, combat it. Same thing with his music, the saddest thing i heard PRINCE say recently was about older music he has, he said "someone will release it, long after im gone" that to me is sad because the fans that are here now, might not even see that, so i understand his issues with everything and i understand his views and respect them to an extent. But the answers that he turns into constant questions, are so simple, that they never should even come up. Meaning, you got the means, the fans, put things out there. He seems to always be behind the times when he used to be shaping them.And that goes for others not just him.

neosoulheart said:

basically all I was saying is 'who the hell is rick springfeld' and it wasn't such an exclusive and rare thing to happen in the music world

This part i actually agree with you. I've been in a small nightclub in my hometown where

George Clinton did an impromptu performance 10 years ago late night after performing

a concert earlier at another venue there. P has also been known to perform at places

unannounced. Rick may have been popular among pop music fans in the early eighties

but outside of him being a soap actor and Jessie's girl i can't name one other tune

by the guy and really had forgotten all about him before seeing a promo for him

making an appearance on Dr. Oz last week. It's cool that he would do this on a

NY subway but nothing overly unique that some other artists wouldn't do as long as they

wouldn't fear being mobbed.