NDRU said:

Timmy84 said:

You sure Celine Dion didn't have anything to do with it?

I actually think she may have been a genuine inspiration to make great rock Sort of like battling the devil

You can't be serious...

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Timmy84 said:

NDRU said:

I actually think she may have been a genuine inspiration to make great rock Sort of like battling the devil

You can't be serious...

Well, it's like how 8 years of George Bush led to an inspired Obama campaign

NDRU said:

Timmy84 said:

You can't be serious...

Well, it's like how 8 years of George Bush led to an inspired Obama campaign

Well he wasn't running anymore so of course people were "inspired", duh... But that don't mean Celine Dion could rock and roll. I give her "Where Does My Heart Beat Now" but...

Timmy84 said:

NDRU said:

Well, it's like how 8 years of George Bush led to an inspired Obama campaign

Well he wasn't running anymore so of course people were "inspired", duh... But that don't mean Celine Dion could rock and roll. I give her "Where Does My Heart Beat Now" but...

no, no, I'm not saying she could rock, I'm saying she was so anti-rock that it inspired rockers to take up arms against her...dammit I can't stop speaking in metaphor!

NDRU said:

Timmy84 said:

Well he wasn't running anymore so of course people were "inspired", duh... But that don't mean Celine Dion could rock and roll. I give her "Where Does My Heart Beat Now" but...

no, no, I'm not saying she could rock, I'm saying she was so anti-rock that it inspired rockers to take up arms against her...dammit I can't stop speaking in metaphor!

LOL if by rock you mean Poison and stuff, that would've been impossible.

I dont get the people crying over hair metal, imo its easily the worst genre ever with very few exceptions (GnR). Same cheesy sythns and power cords over horrible lyrics that are usually sexist or just flat out dumb. Oh ya, dont forget the drum machines! That shit was just as bad as anything coming out today, only difference is they took out the guitar, though it doesnt really matter since most hair metal bands had awful guitarists.

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ManlyMoose said:

I dont get the people crying over hair metal, imo its easily the worst genre ever with very few exceptions (GnR). Same cheesy sythns and power cords over horrible lyrics that are usually sexist or just flat out dumb. Oh ya, dont forget the drum machines! That shit was just as bad as anything coming out today, only difference is they took out the guitar, though it doesnt really matter since most hair metal bands had awful guitarists.

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Beats me too. I mean yeah I get it, they were fun but come on...

Hair metal was not real rock n roll. It was barely music. Damn near all those bands had the same 2 influences-KISS and Aerosmith. They didn't bother to researach that REAL rock was blues music. Plus most of those bands were sexist and racist. Hair metal come back? No thanks.

scriptgirl said:

Hair metal was not real rock n roll. It was barely music. Damn near all those bands had the same 2 influences-KISS and Aerosmith. They didn't bother to researach that REAL rock was blues music. Plus most of those bands were sexist and racist. Hair metal come back? No thanks.

Some of the bands were like poor man's New York Dolls.

You got the "poor" part right...

bobzilla77 said:

Kurt was trying to get Brazil's Os Mutantes to reunite back in the 90s.

It is kind of funny though. I have a feeling if Kurt was given the option to kill any band out there he might have picked Pearl Jam.

That would've been a fine choice. Pearl Jam has done more than its fair share to ruin music. Nirvana remains pretty blameless as far as I'm concerned.

ManlyMoose said:

I dont get the people crying over hair metal, imo its easily the worst genre ever with very few exceptions (GnR). Same cheesy sythns and power cords over horrible lyrics that are usually sexist or just flat out dumb. Oh ya, dont forget the drum machines! That shit was just as bad as anything coming out today, only difference is they took out the guitar, though it doesnt really matter since most hair metal bands had awful guitarists.

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I think it is a matter of balance. True, in the eighties mainstream rock music may have been too irreverent but then in the nineties things became much too serious. Why one extreme or the other, how about a bit of both? I love a lot of the "alternative" bands of the nineties but I also desperately missed the fun of the hair metal bands. I also never forgave "alternative" music for killing Extreme.

Timmy84 said:

dancerella said:

Damn it! No, we will never get over it. Someone please bring back hair metal. That was true rock n roll!! Ironically, hair metal lasted longer than grunge and people said hair metal had no substance. At least it was fun and didn't make you wanna shoot yourself in the foot.

All hair metal was to me was titties, ass, long hair, guitars, drugs and drinks. Besides by the time hair metal died, the titties and asses went to hip-hop videos.

What about this:

or this:

or this:

rialb said:

Timmy84 said:

All hair metal was to me was titties, ass, long hair, guitars, drugs and drinks. Besides by the time hair metal died, the titties and asses went to hip-hop videos.

What about this:

or this:

or this:

I give them that. Some music from then had depth. But most of the folks here seem to think all they were were "fun, without no cares". These bands wanted to escape that "hair metal tag" (Motley Crue included) because that's what hair metal represented to the public.

Timmy84 said:

rialb said:

What about this:

or this:

or this:

I give them that. Some music from then had depth. But most of the folks here seem to think all they were were "fun, without no cares". These bands wanted to escape that "hair metal tag" (Motley Crue included) because that's what hair metal represented to the public.

Also, don't forget about Cinderella! Their Heartbreak Station album is very funky, bluesy and country influenced. They had soul and did it right!! They don't get enough credit. Partly, I think because of their look.

MickyDolenz said:

He must have killed Michael Bolton's career too, because he disappeared and showed up decades later on Dancing With The Stars in a dog house.

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scriptgirl said:

Hair metal was not real rock n roll. It was barely music. Damn near all those bands had the same 2 influences-KISS and Aerosmith. They didn't bother to researach that REAL rock was blues music. Plus most of those bands were sexist and racist. Hair metal come back? No thanks.

God damn, this is exactly the truth.

Cinny said:

scriptgirl said:

Hair metal was not real rock n roll. It was barely music. Damn near all those bands had the same 2 influences-KISS and Aerosmith. They didn't bother to researach that REAL rock was blues music. Plus most of those bands were sexist and racist. Hair metal come back? No thanks.

God damn, this is exactly the truth.

I think it is painting with much too broad of a brush. Like any musical "movement" there are great acts and there are crappy acts. I also disagree that "real" rock music is blues music. Blues is a key influence on rock music but it is hardly the only influence.

I would also argue that Kiss and Aerosmith, while both being very influential, were not the primary influence. Instead I would nominate Led Zeppelin. Heck, bands like Great White and Kingdom Come were virtually Led Zeppelin cover bands.

The great thing about "hair metal" was the levity. As I said earlier I enjoy a lot of the "alternative" bands but there is nothing wrong with mindless, fun rock music and I don't think it was a good thing that after 1992 that type of music virtually disappeared. There is nothing wrong with variety.

scriptgirl said:

Plus most of those bands were sexist and racist.

And I guess R&B, blues, rap, and country acts are all feminists. Your comment is just as bigoted.

dancerella said:

Timmy84 said:

I give them that. Some music from then had depth. But most of the folks here seem to think all they were were "fun, without no cares". These bands wanted to escape that "hair metal tag" (Motley Crue included) because that's what hair metal represented to the public.

Also, don't forget about Cinderella! Their Heartbreak Station album is very funky, bluesy and country influenced. They had soul and did it right!! They don't get enough credit. Partly, I think because of their look.

Damn I forgot about them. On second thought I take my comment back. There was depth with some of those bands... Extreme for example were funk rockers (with the occasional power ballad) but they were called a "hair metal act" as well...

MickyDolenz said:

scriptgirl said:

Plus most of those bands were sexist and racist.

And I guess R&B, blues, rap, and country acts are all feminists. Your comment is just as bigoted.

Timmy84 said:

dancerella said:

Also, don't forget about Cinderella! Their Heartbreak Station album is very funky, bluesy and country influenced. They had soul and did it right!! They don't get enough credit. Partly, I think because of their look.

Damn I forgot about them. On second thought I take my comment back. There was depth with some of those bands... Extreme for example were funk rockers (with the occasional power ballad) but they were called a "hair metal act" as well...

Hell yeah, don't forget about them. Cinderella could throw down!!

Timmy84 said:

dancerella said:

Also, don't forget about Cinderella! Their Heartbreak Station album is very funky, bluesy and country influenced. They had soul and did it right!! They don't get enough credit. Partly, I think because of their look.

Damn I forgot about them. On second thought I take my comment back. There was depth with some of those bands... Extreme for example were funk rockers (with the occasional power ballad) but they were called a "hair metal act" as well...

I LOVE Extreme and agree that they don't necessarily fit in with the "hair metal" genre. They had a strong Queen influence and were more ambitious than most of their peers. On the other hand with an album cover like this they really only have themselves to blame for being lumped in with the "hair metal" movement :

[img:$uid]http://fuckingsick.files.wordpress.com/2009/10/1989-extreme.jpg?w=700[/img:$uid]

rialb said:

Timmy84 said:

Damn I forgot about them. On second thought I take my comment back. There was depth with some of those bands... Extreme for example were funk rockers (with the occasional power ballad) but they were called a "hair metal act" as well...

I LOVE Extreme and agree that they don't necessarily fit in with the "hair metal" genre. They had a strong Queen influence and were more ambitious than most of their peers. On the other hand with an album cover like this they really only have themselves to blame for being lumped in with the "hair metal" movement :

[img:$uid]http://fuckingsick.files.wordpress.com/2009/10/1989-extreme.jpg?w=700[/img:$uid]

Real true.

@ poor man's New York Dolls

Those Extreme dudes looks likle they just stepped outta the film "This is Spinal Tap".

rialb said:

Timmy84 said:

Damn I forgot about them. On second thought I take my comment back. There was depth with some of those bands... Extreme for example were funk rockers (with the occasional power ballad) but they were called a "hair metal act" as well...

I LOVE Extreme and agree that they don't necessarily fit in with the "hair metal" genre. They had a strong Queen influence and were more ambitious than most of their peers. On the other hand with an album cover like this they really only have themselves to blame for being lumped in with the "hair metal" movement :

[img:$uid]http://fuckingsick.files.wordpress.com/2009/10/1989-extreme.jpg?w=700[/img:$uid]

Wow! That's a lot of hair! Nuno Bettencourt has been Rihanna's guitarist recently. He must been pulling in somenice change for that.

dancerella said:

rialb said:

I LOVE Extreme and agree that they don't necessarily fit in with the "hair metal" genre. They had a strong Queen influence and were more ambitious than most of their peers. On the other hand with an album cover like this they really only have themselves to blame for being lumped in with the "hair metal" movement :

[img:$uid]http://fuckingsick.files.wordpress.com/2009/10/1989-extreme.jpg?w=700[/img:$uid]

Wow! That's a lot of hair! Nuno Bettencourt has been Rihanna's guitarist recently. He must been pulling in somenice change for that.

The other three look okay (for the most part) but I don't think that is a flattering look for Gary Cherone (third from the left).

I don't know what the hell Soca music is but if you're comparing the sound of rock music before Nirvana to the sound of rock music after Nirvana, I definately hear their influence in it and it is definitely for the worst. It went from sounding fun to sounding depressing from the sound of the music, even down to the sound of the voices which sound like they're in pain with hemorroids up their ass. Even the "look" of rock artists changed after Nirvana. They started looking too "normal". Everybody started looking so "straight". 1980s rock was definitely much better. Hell, the 1980s in general back when men were women and women were whores.

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