Why is there a bitter fued between Janet and MJ stans??

I just dont understand.. Its always

Whos the better dancer, singer, performer, who is more successful, who needed who more career wise, who lip sung less, who is less crazy etc.

These are two of the most successful siblings in the history of entertainment. I just dont understand why there has to be a competition between them?? Just celebrate the music that they have left behind and stop the unecessary arguing.

Most Amercian/Euro fans liked both or one or the other at some point anyway.

Cause people take shit to serious Especially MJ & Janet stans.

If you say anything bad about either of them people immediately start throwing records, albums sells, who they inspired, who they are the heir to Jesus thrown etc etc. That is not going to make people turn to liking them...

I don't know. I'm through with the Jacksons actually.

Timmy84 said:

I don't know. I'm through with the Jacksons actually.

AGREED i wrote them off a while ago, cant deal with the BS and fighting and lawsuits etc

Timmy84 said:

I don't know. I'm through with the Jacksons actually.

The Jacksons. Dysfunction is as dysfunction does.

Gunsnhalen said:

Cause people take shit to serious Especially MJ & Janet stans.

If you say anything bad about either of them people immediately start throwing records, albums sells, who they inspired, who they are the heir to Jesus thrown etc etc. That is not going to make people turn to liking them...

I agree lol

It can actually turn people off.

I just dont understand. They both have their places in music. There is no need to diss one why trying to big the other up.

Timmy84 said:

I don't know. I'm through with the Jacksons actually.

Im not through with them. I just stay away from fan/gossip boards and pay attention to the music, which is why I like them in the first place

Gunsnhalen said:

Cause people take shit to serious Especially MJ & Janet stans.

If you say anything bad about either of them people immediately start throwing records, albums sells, who they inspired, who they are the heir to Jesus thrown etc etc. That is not going to make people turn to liking them...

Yeah there's always been a fued between the MJ & Janet fans and stans, but that fued really intensified this past summer with the craziness that went on in the family with Janet and some of her siblings trying to overthrow the Estate executors, taking their mother away, etc....the threads here on the org during that whole debacle were pretty epic.

because there was a lie that was hatched 25 years ago

specifally August 31, 1987 when Michael Jackson returned back to the public stage after unleashed what would become the greatest selling album of all time with THRILLER

he released the BAD album 25 years ago, and when he returned, he returned w/a brand new image, which included a totally transformed look, a look that threw millions and millions off guard, that caused a great deal of hostility and resentment (expect for the new fanbase he and his callous associates who directed him upon the path of self destruction), a move that allowed opportunists and crooks to destroy the family dynamic by the end of the 80s

and it's been one thing after the next, and hell ever since...

a move that separated him from family, the people, culture, and ultimately from himself as he was cut off from his center and his base

an ambition to seek the ultimate form of privilege w/in the superficial realm of hollywood has led the family to be subjected to 22-23 years worth of attacks from an inscrupulous cast of characters who have run this situation ragged, who has acted w/total impunity and disregard, thinking they have all the answers but have absolutely none....

where there was a time where this story was fruitful and multiplied in abundance when Michael Jackson showcased his brillianet talent in fullness which was channelled thru his natural being, this was the greatest story ever told

but when he deviated away from that, the false image divided people, and the fruit begin to wither away, turning the greatest story ever told into the worst tragedy of epic proportions

and the need to uphold the lies has caused this division, and anyone who threatens the false image, including his sister Janet, becomes the subject of illadvised attacks and, w/the majority of his fans not realizing just how much his sister helped him behind the scenes during the past decade....

once you take the lies out the equation, then a person can see how all this trouble started and why, and there wouldn't be a feud, because there wasn't a feud when this stuff meant something

and based on Michael's actions towards the end of his career, every sign he gave indicated was that he regretted seeking the pop mantle and longed for the days when he was viewd and respected for the groundbreaking artist he really was back in the day, and he wished he would have embraced his natural being also.......

there's at least 5 songs he made during this period that alluded to it

and that's why he lowered his head, and acted in exasperation when he made the announcement that he was preparing to do those 02 concerts what was never going to happen

he was wanted to just set aside the false image, but knew he couldnt....in his heart, he knew his career, a career for the ages was over....the entertainment value was dissipated

http://www.youtube.com/wa...T0qFeftlgM

I hope to God we never witness anything like this ever again......because this should not have happened the way it did....everyone has been robbed

[Edited 10/7/12 20:06pm]

ummmm, excuse my ignorance but what exactly WAS/IS "the lie"? i read your post looking for something specific but it all seems so cryptic. was it the plastic surgery the Bad era revealed?? the pursuit of mainstream (pop) over r&b?? what? i'm lost

Scorp said:

because there was a lie that was hatched 25 years ago

specifally August 31, 1987 when Michael Jackson returned back to the public stage after unleashed what would become the greatest selling album of all time with THRILLER

he released the BAD album 25 years ago, and when he returned, he returned w/a brand new image, which included a totally transformed look, a look that threw millions and millions off guard, that caused a great deal of hostility and resentment (expect for the new fanbase he and his callous associates who directed him upon the path of self destruction), a move that allowed opportunists and crooks to destroy the family dynamic by the end of the 80s

and it's been one thing after the next, and hell ever since...

a move that separated him from family, the people, culture, and ultimately from himself as he was cut off from his center and his base

an ambition to seek the ultimate form of privilege w/in the superficial realm of hollywood has led the family to be subjected to 22-23 years worth of attacks from an inscrupulous cast of characters who have run this situation ragged, who has acted w/total impunity and disregard, thinking they have all the answers but have absolutely none....

where there was a time where this story was fruitful and multiplied in abundance when Michael Jackson showcased his brillianet talent in fullness which was channelled thru his natural being, this was the greatest story ever told

but when he deviated away from that, the false image divided people, and the fruit begin to wither away, turning the greatest story ever told into the worst tragedy of epic proportions

and the need to uphold the lies has caused this division, and anyone who threatens the false image, including his sister Janet, becomes the subject of illadvised attacks and, w/the majority of his fans not realizing just how much his sister helped him behind the scenes during the past decade....

once you take the lies out the equation, then a person can see how all this trouble started and why, and there wouldn't be a feud, because there wasn't a feud when this stuff meant something

and based on Michael's actions towards the end of his career, every sign he gave indicated was that he regretted seeking the pop mantle and longed for the days when he was viewd and respected for the groundbreaking artist he really was back in the day, and he wished he would have embraced his natural being also.......

there's at least 5 songs he made during this period that alluded to it

and that's why he lowered his head, and acted in exasperation when he made the announcement that he was preparing to do those 02 concerts what was never going to happen

he was wanted to just set aside the false image, but knew he couldnt....in his heart, he knew his career, a career for the ages was over....the entertainment value was dissipated

http://www.youtube.com/wa...T0qFeftlgM

I hope to God we never witness anything like this ever again......because this should not have happened the way it did....everyone has been robbed

[Edited 10/7/12 20:06pm]

uuuuhhhh NO!!!

I agree with some of your post but not this one.

This has nothing to do with they way he looked or his image from Bad and on. This is about two fanbases who are always at odds for no damn reason and over trivial stuff. While some MJ fans come for Janet, Janet fans come for MJ also.

The Jacksons arent just critisized because of MJs image. Part is their doing, part is just because once you become so huge and go so high, there is no way but down. They build people up to tear them down.

This families issues came long before 1987. If there were solid fouindation in place, the the house wouldnt have crumbled so easily.

They have all in some way or the other chose their career and fame over their family relationships. This goes to the girls feeling like they werent good enough for Joe, Jermaine leaving the brothers for promise of a better solo career etc.

There is a reason MJ went through what he did with himself, Marlon was estranged from the family, that LaToya went crazy and was in an abusive relationship for years.

If anything they are just a product of what fame and money can do to a family.

datdude said:

ummmm, excuse my ignorance but what exactly WAS/IS "the lie"? i read your post looking for something specific but it all seems so cryptic. was it the plastic surgery the Bad era revealed?? the pursuit of mainstream (pop) over r&b?? what? i'm lost

I dont even think they truly know...

datdude said:

ummmm, excuse my ignorance but what exactly WAS/IS "the lie"? i read your post looking for something specific but it all seems so cryptic. was it the plastic surgery the Bad era revealed?? the pursuit of mainstream (pop) over r&b?? what? i'm lost

you're not ignorant......

you just answered your own question.....because it's been obvious all along

Michael never had to go full scape pop, because he didn't always sing r&b music

the "magic" derived from the fact his talent was able to take and genre of music and elevate it to the highest level thru the sheer will of ....THAT was the magic......his talent encapsulated the entire musical spectrum......

he took a song about a pet rat, made it believable and earned a grammy nomimation as a result.....

his talent was deeper than pop distinction.......

Scorp said:

datdude said:

ummmm, excuse my ignorance but what exactly WAS/IS "the lie"? i read your post looking for something specific but it all seems so cryptic. was it the plastic surgery the Bad era revealed?? the pursuit of mainstream (pop) over r&b?? what? i'm lost

you're not ignorant......

you just answered your own question.....because it's been obvious all along

Michael never had to go full scape pop, because he didn't always sing r&b music

the "magic" derived from the fact his talent was able to take and genre of music and elevate it to the highest level thru the sheer will of ....THAT was the magic......his talent encapsulated the entire musical spectrum......

he took a song about a pet rat, made it believable and earned a grammy nomimation as a result.....

his talent was deeper than pop distinction.......

i appreciate the attempt, but my question remains, what was the "lie". i'm clear that michael's talent spanned beyond genres, he was magic, etc. i'm just trying to follow the thought of the OP (but maybe that's a circular rabbit hole vs. something specific i'm thinking i'm unaware of)

Scorp said:

datdude said:

ummmm, excuse my ignorance but what exactly WAS/IS "the lie"? i read your post looking for something specific but it all seems so cryptic. was it the plastic surgery the Bad era revealed?? the pursuit of mainstream (pop) over r&b?? what? i'm lost

you're not ignorant......

you just answered your own question.....because it's been obvious all along

Michael never had to go full scape pop, because he didn't always sing r&b music

the "magic" derived from the fact his talent was able to take and genre of music and elevate it to the highest level thru the sheer will of ....THAT was the magic......his talent encapsulated the entire musical spectrum......

he took a song about a pet rat, made it believable and earned a grammy nomimation as a result.....

his talent was deeper than pop distinction.......

I dont understand this.. Most of his music/albums are comsidered r&b but HIStory and BOTDF.

Dangerous has New Jack Swing, Bad has a mix but has r&b undertones.

If thats the case, what do you feel about Janet after RN. Janet., VR and especially AFY arent r&b by your standards. Did she try to go pop to reach a wider audience considering Janet. is her biggest album??

This is the BS im takling about. Please speak on the topic and dont derail my thread. This is about the need for MJ and Janet fans needing to pit them against each other.

purple05 said:

Scorp said:

you're not ignorant......

you just answered your own question.....because it's been obvious all along

Michael never had to go full scape pop, because he didn't always sing r&b music

the "magic" derived from the fact his talent was able to take and genre of music and elevate it to the highest level thru the sheer will of ....THAT was the magic......his talent encapsulated the entire musical spectrum......

he took a song about a pet rat, made it believable and earned a grammy nomimation as a result.....

his talent was deeper than pop distinction.......

I dont understand this.. Most of his music/albums are comsidered r&b but HIStory and BOTDF.

Dangerous has New Jack Swing, Bad has a mix but has r&b undertones.

If thats the case, what do you feel about Janet after RN. Janet., VR and especially AFY arent r&b by your standards. Did she try to go pop to reach a wider audience considering Janet. is her biggest album??

This is the BS im takling about. Please speak on the topic and dont derail my thread. This is about the need for MJ and Janet fans needing to pit them against each other.

real r&b was phased out by the time the 80s ended

what we got from that point on was a hybrid version of expression, rather than a genuine expression, it became a demographic by the end of the 80s, then it became a formula by the early 90s, a derivative the mid 90s, a subculture by the late 90s, before giving way to anyone who would include it in their presentation when the new century hit....and now it is gone....

with Janet and Rhythm Nation, the only song of hers that included those that reached top 10 status that would be considered full pop was ESCAPADE, the rest of her songs featured r&b/funk/dance....and love ballads, and two of her songs were socially conscious

I would say with Janet, she was less pop oriented as much as she was popular, there's a difference between the two distinctions

during that time, there was no feud between Michael fans and Janet fans, the beef did not exit

in 1986 when Janet released Control......this was the rule of thumb

if you were a fan of Janet, it was virtually certain you was a fan of Michael

they favored each other immensely, that was part of the appeal and the connection

they were both of the same family, and the public realized the entire family possessed musical ability...

it's like you were a fan of Michael, and Janet, and Jermaine, and Rebbie,

when Marlon came out with his album in 1987, he got his shine....

same with Randy in 1989, even when Jackie released his album the same year, he received solid support

there were no feuds taking place

so tell me, how did it get to that to what it is now?.......

something is responsible for it?

Janet wasn't being called b's and h's and other vile terms in regards to her relationship w/her brother back in the day, because they shared such as close bond, which she has alluded to on many occasions over the years, especially since 6/25/09 hit

so how do you go from the good to how bad it is now?.......

the fued didn't just fly out the box....there's a reason and a point of origin that caused it....

[Edited 10/7/12 21:55pm]

? I think y'all are a bit confused. I think you're thinking of Janet vs Madonna. I always thought at least 80% Janet fans are MJ fans and most popular artist among MJ fans other than MJ is Janet...or wait it could be Stevie Wonder...I don't know lol am I wrong?

Emancipation89 said:

? I think y'all are a bit confused. I think you're thinking of Janet vs Madonna. I always thought at least 80% Janet fans are MJ fans and most popular artist among MJ fans other than MJ is Janet...or wait it could be Stevie Wonder...I don't know lol am I wrong?

Yes lol

I dont understand Jan vs Madge either especially when Madonna fans say she is more talented. They are both pretty much cut from the same cloth but they do have their differences.

Mj and Janet Fans have it out constantky on this board

Emancipation89 said:

? I think y'all are a bit confused. I think you're thinking of Janet vs Madonna. I always thought at least 80% Janet fans are MJ fans and most popular artist among MJ fans other than MJ is Janet...or wait it could be Stevie Wonder...I don't know lol am I wrong?

There's the just Janet fans (which are lik 2% of her org fanbase), The Janet and MJ fans (I'm one) and then there's the just MJ fans

passion

?

aardvark15 said:

Emancipation89 said:

? I think y'all are a bit confused. I think you're thinking of Janet vs Madonna. I always thought at least 80% Janet fans are MJ fans and most popular artist among MJ fans other than MJ is Janet...or wait it could be Stevie Wonder...I don't know lol am I wrong?

There's the just Janet fans (which are lik 2% of her org fanbase), The Janet and MJ fans (I'm one) and then there's the just MJ fans

2 % might be an exaggeration, but yes, Janet fans tend to be more intelligent and open minded, and thus have a more-wide range of interests in music.

Whereas MJ fans are narrow-minded and tend to only like MJ, and any artist that MJ has never had a single disagreement with, or a new artist who explicitly says MJ was their inspiration...

because rivaly is the natural derivative of fanaticism. it is not something that is exclusive to music. from sports to even politics. thats the way it is

LightOfArt said:

because rivaly is the natural derivative of fanaticism. it is not something that is exclusive to music. from sports to even politics. thats the way it is

For some reason,the Jacksons are a very controversial topic on this site whenever there is a Jacksons thread,expect it to be a million pages with thousands of views,lol.Those threads from a few months ago (Janet vs.Paris) were EPIC!

I like both. Only Janet less so. No way should she be held in as high regard as Michael. She's elevated by some way beyond her talent.

Some might say the same is true of Michael, and they're entitled to their opinion too.

purple05 said:

Why is there a bitter fued between Janet and MJ stans??

I just dont understand.. Its always

Whos the better dancer, singer, performer, who is more successful, who needed who more career wise, who lip sung less, who is less crazy etc.

These are two of the most successful siblings in the history of entertainment. I just dont understand why there has to be a competition between them?? Just celebrate the music that they have left behind and stop the unecessary arguing.

Most Amercian/Euro fans liked both or one or the other at some point anyway.

Don't get it myself--always liked both; always will. 'Nuff said. Anything else of interest?!!

The reason the feud exists is because if you don't act like either of these people are perfect when they screw up, or constructively criticize time to time, despite owning all their records and supporting them, you are pretty much attacked for having an opinion, and get accused of being a hater that is all.

lastdecember said:

Timmy84 said:

I don't know. I'm through with the Jacksons actually.

AGREED i wrote them off a while ago, cant deal with the BS and fighting and lawsuits etc

@Tim & LD....I still listen to all of Michael's music. But with Janet's music, I do not go pass The Velvet Rope era as often as before. I prefer to remember her for her highs than of her shortcomings.

[Edited 10/9/12 10:18am]